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bharathh
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Even if you tamper with the ball, surely you need skill to bowl players out? |
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karthik
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| Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| bharathh wrote: | | Even if you tamper with the ball, surely you need skill to bowl players out? |
Reverse swing is an open book these days. It is hard only when you bowl it without tampering it. It is easier for everyone once you start tampering the ball. |
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bharathh
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| Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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Regardless... my point is that the bowlers need some kind of advantage to get the batsmen out. The batsmen have better bats, lighter equipment etc. Why not give an equipment advantage to the bowlers to keep pace with the times?
As long as the ball is not disintegrating every few overs... they should allow tampering IMO. |
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karthik
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| Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| bharathh wrote: | Regardless... my point is that the bowlers need some kind of advantage to get the batsmen out. The batsmen have better bats, lighter equipment etc. Why not give an equipment advantage to the bowlers to keep pace with the times?
As long as the ball is not disintegrating every few overs... they should allow tampering IMO. |
If you allow tampering you need to bring in whole clause of how much you can tamper. It will add more confusion. It provides uncomfortable moments for everyone. Unnecessary delays for inspecting balls every few overs. It will be disasterous. I daresay 2000s is the period where there was less ball tampering compared to other decades owing to lack of TV technology back then. But we had more results in 2000s than in any other decade. Pitches, Bowling standard has to improve. No question about that. |
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asterix
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Don't legalise anything which will allow Pak players to break the limits..What's the guarantee the players like Afridi will not abuse it further?
In fact strict punishment should be awarded for any cheating activities..If you wish to give any advantage to the bowlers, why not give them good pitches? |
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raja
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While I agree that the game has become increasingly batsman-friendly, what with improved bats and the like, I don't think the solution to "balance it" is to allow the bowlers to tamper with the ball. That is plain cheating.
If you do want to balance it a bit for the bowlers, how about having a bigger target area for the bowlers ? Like higher stump height or bigger stumps or even a 4th stump ? Or allowing a 12th fielder on the field ? Or come up with a new type of ball that favours the bowler a bit more ?
Anything but not ball-tampering.
This argument that Allan Donald (and before him Richard Hadlee) put up saying that ball-tampering needs to be legalised to tilt the game a little bit towards the bowlers is more out of frustration than anything else.
What they mean is that the bowlers need SOMETHING to have a chance in an increasingly batsman-dominated game. It does not necessarily mean that they should be allowed to tamper with the ball. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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i agree with Raja.
Tampering is not the answer.better pitches for starters and like Raja said the 12th fielder!or even make balls tht swing more,let fielding team use 2 balls,so tht they can have a new and old ball. |
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gabba dan
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| Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Ranjith wrote: | i agree with Raja.
Tampering is not the answer.better pitches for starters and like Raja said the 12th fielder!or even make balls tht swing more,let fielding team use 2 balls,so tht they can have a new and old ball. |
In Australia's Ford Ranger Cup ODD competition this season two white balls have been used one from each end. Not only has it saved replacing the ball on the 35th it has kept the batsman honest and has been a great success.
Qld play NSW today (Wed) starting 0315 gmt televised on fox. Scores on CI. |
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RoyoftheRovers
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| Ranjith wrote: | i agree with Raja.
Tampering is not the answer.better pitches for starters and like Raja said the 12th fielder!or even make balls tht swing more,let fielding team use 2 balls,so tht they can have a new and old ball. |
what i've been saying all along
it probably wouldnt hurt either to replace the ball every 35 overs...then we can use white balls and play night test cricket |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:15 am Post subject: |
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| gabba dan wrote: | | Ranjith wrote: | i agree with Raja.
Tampering is not the answer.better pitches for starters and like Raja said the 12th fielder!or even make balls tht swing more,let fielding team use 2 balls,so tht they can have a new and old ball. |
In Australia's Ford Ranger Cup ODD competition this season two white balls have been used one from each end. Not only has it saved replacing the ball on the 35th it has kept the batsman honest and has been a great success.
Qld play NSW today (Wed) starting 0315 gmt televised on fox. Scores on CI. |
one day cricket was actually better when the ball was harder at the end of the innings
nowadays batsmen find it harder to get away in the last 10 overs
so i agree...however having only a 25 over old ball pretty much takes reverse swing out of the equation |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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I agree that tampering should not be allowed at all. Better pitches is the solution. |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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This is what Lloyd had said with the incident of Broad and Anderson.
"If you've played international cricket, you'll shrug your shoulders at these allegations. We all know that it goes on all the time. The stigma in the public is far greater than the crime that's been committed."
Former England captain and current television commentator David Lloyd can't see what the fuss is all about - http://www.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/443218.html
IMO it happens a lot. Not that this should be an excuse to cheat or a defence for Afridi.
Here is a good read. http://blog.dawn.com/2010/02/03/reality-bites/ |
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