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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby Katto » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:45 pm

baggygreenmania wrote:
Katto wrote:the anti Lyon agenda continues
No not anti Lyon. He has won my respect with huge improvement last 12/18 months. But he is no Warne, Kumble. Murali three guys that can win you a match. All wristies.. tho technically Murali was a finger spinner.


Murali was finger spinner who chucked and wouldn't get away with it these days

Warne was a once in a lifetime bowler
Kumble was once in a generation

we've tried a number of average wrist spinners since Warne and MacGill retired and they've all been shit

South Africa play spin a lot better than they did during the days of Daryl Cullinen

We lost this series because we can't bat
its why we lose every series that we lose

look how many runs we scored in 1997 here as a comparison

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:55 pm

Murali was finger spinner who chucked and wouldn't get away with it these days. I agree he chucked. One of our best umpires lost a career trying to prove just that. I reckon Murali would still get away with it today. I watched SA against the Indian spinners and believe me they play quality spin worse than we do.

Yes we still struggle against the moving ball...specially swing. Hopefully that will change in the next decade by further use of the Dukes ball.

I wanna see it used for all Youth Pathway matches so our kids grow up learning how to play the swinging ball. It should also be used for the entire Shield competition. How about home tests too?

Warne was a once in a lifetime bowler. Ok MacGill then. He could win us a match. A pity he played same time as the Sheik did. I like some of the spinners coming thru..the best finger spinner among them IMO is Ashton Agar. Param Uppal shows early promise as does another Aussie Indian in Arjun Nair. Wristies Mitchell Swepson and Daniel Fallins are good prospects.
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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby Tinsel » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:06 pm

I call Bevan dependable in ODI BUT I know little about his test record, I do not know why?

I used to like Ross Edward
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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby Tinsel » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:09 pm

What was the reasons one of Clark fast bowler career was suddenly over? Forget his first name

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby Katto » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:10 pm

Tinsel wrote:I call Bevan dependable in ODI BUT I know little about his test record, I do not know why?

I used to like Ross Edward


he was a crap wrist spin bowler is why and its easier to take wickets in an ODI when everyone is trying to take you out of the ground.

its much easier for anyone to bowl when you have 620 runs on the board

Australia rarely score over 400 in the last 10 years away from home

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:20 pm

Ball is suddenly seaming. Hazey in middle of a classy spell.. Just does not have the luck at moment with edges flying off the Amla bat everywhere except to hand. Bowled a similar luckless spell in last test.
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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby Katto » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:20 pm

Tinsel wrote:What was the reasons one of Clark fast bowler career was suddenly over? Forget his first name

Stuart Clark NSW
24 test 94 test wickets
He was superb bowler


Mitchell Johnson emerged and selectors thought he was the next big thing

I felt short changed by Stuart Clark's career too

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby Katto » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:23 pm

The problem with this pitch is its spinning a lot, but its consistent spin. There's no natural variation.

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:30 pm

I felt short changed by Stuart Clark's career too. And I. Was the poor man's McGrath. A better than good seamer who lacked that something special.

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby Tinsel » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:31 pm

I do not think Maharaj can generate same bowling Figures as Lyon
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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:32 pm

Hang on does Hazey have the ball reversing? Check the pockets. Ok Bancroft not here.
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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:46 pm

Like Josh Lyno having no luck.

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:53 pm

Now he does with Amla bat padding one. SA total creeping up to almost impossible proportions now. How many does Du Plessis want?

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:03 pm

Katto wrote:In my book the mark of a good bowler is the amount of wickets he takes
Yes.. but pressure leads to wickets.

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:06 pm

Cummins strikes again.. De Villiers. Hell not good signs for a chase if balls are now hitting cracks and deviating everywhere.

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby raja » Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:13 pm

Aiden Markram got to 1000 runs (exactly 1000 now!) in his 18th innings.
Some others who got there pretty quick.
Ballance got there in 17 innings (and now he has 1498 in 42 innings! That's quite a fall, almost comparable with Frank Hayes).
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/conten ... 83173.html

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby Boycs » Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:20 pm

Yeah balance had a nice early run of things. Lot of Home tests though if I recall correctly

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby bolero » Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:38 pm

baggygreenmania wrote:Cummins strikes again.. De Villiers. Hell not good signs for a chase if balls are now hitting cracks and deviating everywhere.


Baggy, if you followed India SA test series the team that batted last invariably lost the test.Cracks were close to unplayable.

All batsmen got hit.

Wickets in Aus SA series not the same but nevertheless playing last is an issue.

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby Katto » Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:46 pm

Lyon's quicker ball is almost as fast as Chad Sayers off a 30 meter run up

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby Katto » Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:48 pm

looks like Sayers has broken Faf's finger

did he break Paine's thumb too?

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby Katto » Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:12 pm

no luck for Lyon today
he's bowled really well

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby Katto » Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:20 pm

who knew Lyon had a carom ball

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby bolero » Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:02 pm

Can Australia Chase this ? SA are a bowler short with the injured Morkel.

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby MikeR68 » Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:21 pm

baggygreenmania wrote:Good Luck Haze in next 57 overs.

In my book the mark of a good bowler is the amount of times he makes the batsman play. Hazey does it more than most.

Katto wrote:In my book the mark of a good bowler is the amount of wickets he takes

Katto there are a lot of very knowledgeable people on this site, but this is the most intelligent comeback I've ever seen, well done Einstein. Well it shut Baggers up anyway. But Bagger's will have some genius reason behind his reasoning. Just found it

baggygreenmania wrote:
Katto wrote:In my book the mark of a good bowler is the amount of wickets he takes
Yes.. but pressure leads to wickets.


AAh yes, the old pressure reasoning, How's that working out currently for Australia Baggers? I suppose you'll be saying next that Cummins 7 wickets are really due to Hazlewood's bowling. Another reason you could use is that the batsmen uncontrollable laughter leads to wickets.
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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby MikeR68 » Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:54 pm

baggygreenmania wrote:Hazlewood has a chance to make amends for an ordinary first innings.

baggygreenmania wrote:Ball is suddenly seaming. Hazey in middle of a classy spell.. Just does not have the luck at moment with edges flying off the Amla bat everywhere except to hand. Bowled a similar luckless spell in last test.

baggygreenmania wrote:Hang on does Hazey have the ball reversing? Check the pockets. Ok Bancroft not here.


And yet no wickets, watching Hazey bowl I can't help but wish my car's odometer moved as slowly as Hazlewood's wicket column. I'd get a better trade in. What is it now 151 wickets from 75 innings? And you question Lyon's ability who has 305 wickets from 148 innings, and a spinner to boot. Bit of the pot calling the kettle isn't it?

But don't worry Baggers Hazey's plan is working well, give South Africa a 400+ lead and then they'll throw the bat and Hazlewood will strike, it's all part of the grand plan. Hazey will take some wickets and all will wet their pants in excitement. It's OK Australia will only have to chase 500 and when they don't do it, it's all the batsmen fault. Sack the batsmen, they're useless.

Thing that really makes me laugh is something that even I would not have thought possible. If South Africa can score another 30 runs off Hazlewood and he fails to take another wicket his average for the series is 40. A series when Cummins averaged 22, Rabada 18, SA 4th bowler in Morkel 20, Philander 24, Ngidi 15. There is so much there for bowlers it's not funny. Poor Josh has to take 4/not many to get under 30. Really Baggers there is no excuse, and South Africa are going to throw the bat they have enough all ready, so anything he gets from now on is not a true reflection of how poorly he has bowled.

Baggers for the record I have no problem with Hazlewood as No 3 bowler, but whilst Australian selectors continue to select him as a strike bowler they are not selecting another true wicket taking bowler, someone you throw the ball to to get wickets. Josh is a holding pattern bowler, same as Gillespie. Selecting Sayers, another No 3 bowler for this test is a joke, Hazlewood wasn't the one injured, they needed a true wicket taker and Sayers isn't it, and that proves the selectors deem Hazlewood a strike bowler. You may think that statistics I show are biased but they are true reflection of his bowling over a long period of time not just 1 or 2 tests. You just hate them because it proves he's not all that.

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:37 pm

You have a PM Mike. These are strike bowlers decks...not seamers. Unless you are Philly with his skills and guile. I hear you but you are not watching. You look at the wickets column only. Josh has at times bowled superbly but without luck.. excepting his off day.. he has been his pressure building best. But the decks have not been seaming much and as we both know he is a specialist seam bowler not a manufactured strike bowler tho his ability to adapt to unsuitable conditions is improving. Cummins has been our best quick on tour. He picked up a majority of his wickets with his aggressive attitude and his effort ball not due to pressure from other end. He has applied his own pressure. Why he is not operating with the new ball is anyones guess.
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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:44 pm

We should all have been bouyed by the Aussies effort yesterday. Firstly the Timmy and Cummo partnership. C has scored more runs this tour than some of the top order. Then the bowling in the final session specially. Plenty of character shown from a side that must still be bordering on depressed.

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby raja » Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:40 am

I remember some of us wishing before this series that it were a 5-Test series. :-)
Can't speak for others, but am glad this torture ends in a couple of days.

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby Katto » Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:06 am

raja wrote:I remember some of us wishing before this series that it were a 5-Test series. :-)
Can't speak for others, but am glad this torture ends in a couple of days.


yeah me too

imagine how the players feel, I think both sides are exhausted after long summers even without the dramas

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby Boycs » Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:13 am

No! We want more test cricket! Ten match series! Each game lasting for 17 days with 6 innings and 12-ball overs. You’re not dismissed unless you’re bleeding

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby raja » Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:27 am

Boycs wrote:No! We want more test cricket! Ten match series! Each game lasting for 17 days with 6 innings and 12-ball overs. You’re not dismissed unless you’re bleeding

:lmao:
Not a bad idea at all.
I'm sure GS would heartily approve. :grin:
Ideally it should be on an Indian road with Cheteshwar Pujara and Murali Vijay batting.

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby bolero » Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:20 am

Psychologically 500 would be huge. All depends on how Aus decide to chase.

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby raja » Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:36 am

bolero wrote:Psychologically 500 would be huge. All depends on how Aus decide to chase.

500?

This Aussie side will struggle to get 200 in their 2nd innings.

I have a feeling they can't wait to get the hell out of South Africa.

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby bolero » Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:03 am

raja wrote:
bolero wrote:Psychologically 500 would be huge. All depends on how Aus decide to chase.

500?

This Aussie side will struggle to get 200 in their 2nd innings.

I have a feeling they can't wait to get the hell out of South Africa.


South africa are 1 bowler short, Morkel.

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:54 am

The torture should be over by lunch tomorrow if weather allows.. It all turned sour for the Aussies from second Test. What the hell went wrong after we were convincing winners in game one?

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby bolero » Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:02 am

Faf playing well.

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:05 am

You cant fault Hazlewoods effort after a poor first innings. What about the miserly economy rate of 1.63. Current figures are 19 6 0-30 . Wickets however continue to elude him.

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:08 am

Why is popgun Sayers taking the new ball and not Cummins? Baffling.

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:25 am

Yet another edge off Josh's bowling brings a fine ton from the SA skipper. By all accounts he needed it as he has had rather a lean run of late.

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:42 am

This destructive spell is the reason why Cummins should have first use of the new ball. He is onto the batsman in a flash due to his fast arm speed. Patrick now has 15 wickets in last two matches and is doing the enforcer job with style. Make that 16 trapping de Kock plumb.
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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:51 am

No declaration could be down to fact Rabada has a back problem.

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby Going South » Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:56 am

Had they declared early, it would have been another of those 4 day test match. it’s a deliberate ploy to save test cricket that’s already in ICU.

And you guys want more test cricket as a series? bwahahahahahaha. First save it from getting finished within 4 days properly. You call it 5 day match? WHAT A JOKE.

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:35 pm

Mitch Marsh is bowling his best spell of the series. I am detecting some seam movement.

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:38 pm

Going South wrote:Had they declared early, it would have been another of those 4 day test match. it’s a deliberate ploy to save test cricket that’s already in ICU.

And you guys want more test cricket as a series? bwahahahahahaha. First save it from getting finished within 4 days properly. You call it 5 day match? WHAT A JOKE.
Cricinfo gave me the info about the delayed declaraion. Yes we all want five day matches.. four is ok.. three definitely not.

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:43 pm

Proteas have no fully fit pacemen says Cricinfo. Long summer is taking its toll on the players...
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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby bolero » Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:46 pm

Ok, news coming in that Morkel and Rabada ruled out from bowling any further.Philander also injured and doubtful.

That's why SA are not declaring.It's a farce now.They should call off the test to spare viewers further pain.

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:03 pm

Gotta hand it to the Proteas batsmen. They have held out against some determined bowling by our boys today. Not a lot of luck tho has gone our way.

The target is unreachable so no scoreboard pressure. Just a matter of Aussies recapturing some pride by batting out a draw when they declare..
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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby Tinsel » Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:08 pm

Aus.need 612 to win
Morkal/Rabada/ElGar/Philly/Maharaj will bowls.

SOA 488 and 344 for 6 declared
Aus 221
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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:19 pm

Tinsel wrote:Aus.need 612 to win
Morkal/Rabada/ElGar/Philly/Maharaj will bowls.
Word is Rabada wont bowl today..Philander also has a groin niggle so is not 100%. Seems Cricinfo got its wires crossed. SA have declared and Rabada is ok to bowl.
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