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Sachin (492) on Top

Postby givemeahug786 » Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:20 am

How many Test team-mates has James Anderson had? Is it a record number?

During his Test career, which has now stretched over 15 years, James Anderson has had 85 different team-mates. There have been 22 players who have taken the field with more, no fewer than 15 of them for England: John Emburey (86), Geoff Boycott and Mike Gatting (87), Godfrey Evans (88), Michael Atherton and David Gower (91), Jack Hobbs (93), Wilfred Rhodes (96), Denis Compton (96), Colin Cowdrey and Alec Stewart (97), Len Hutton (98), Wally Hammond (106), Frank Woolley (111, in only 64 matches) and the overall leader Graham Gooch, who played alongside 113 different men. Sachin Tendulkar lies third, with 110 team-mates: Shivnarine Chanderpaul had 105, Rahul Dravid 93, Younis Khan 92, Inzamam-ul-Haq 91, Brian Lara 90, and Daniel Vettori 86.

Anderson has faced 329 different opponents so far, which is a record for England (next is Alastair Cook with 320). Sachin Tendulkar leads the way overall, having faced 492 different opponents; Shiv Chanderpaul came up against 426, Jacques Kallis 417, Muttiah Muralitharan 415 and Mahela Jayawardene 404. Anderson lies 21st on this particular list.

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Re: Sachin (492) on Top

Postby raja » Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:19 pm

Interesting.
Is there a link?

If a player plays one Test each against new teams, Afghanistan and Ireland, he straightaway adds 22 to his count.

Btw, none of the players mentioned above is a surprise.

Considering Rhodes' played Test cricket from 1899 - 1930 (with WW1 thrown in between), no surprise he's at 96.
Hutton and Compton played pre-and post-War (started just before WW2), so naturally a lot of new players came in, after the War.
Hammond too - just that his career ended soon after WW2.

Cowdrey came in out of retirement in 1974-75, that should have helped his count. :-)

That way, Brian Close would have also had a count increase when he came back in 1976, but he didn't play too many Tests.

Wonder what the count for Bobby Simpson is.

He came back in 1977-78 against India (captaining a Packer-impoverished side, so totally new players).
Went on to the Windies too - so that's another set of new opponents.

Where can we get an exhaustive list?

Apart from the natural reasons (like playing with/against a totally new team) or having a fairly long career (Boycs, Gooch, Anderson fit in here), this could also be a measure of how much a team has been in flux.

Which is probably why we don't see a Steve Waugh being mentioned here.
Although he had a pretty long career too, once Australia got onto winning ways in 90s, the team was pretty stable.

Wonder what Border's count is.

Heck, I really need an exhaustive list now.

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Re: Sachin (492) on Top

Postby Paddles » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:05 am

Border played in a minnow pre era. No Zimbabwe or Banga for Allan, let alone Afg and Ire.

361 with and against.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=batting

You can just enter in the team of the player, or exclude team to get the with and the against seperated.

So click "return to query" and enter Australia - for example.

Aus play heavy against Eng and WI in those eras too, and little against say Pak or SL.

Steve Waugh played with and against 462 players - almost 1/3 matches vs England, and almost 1/2 matches Eng and WI combined. He hardly played against India at all as it just wasn't a thing until late in his career. The irony is he debut'd against India and finished against India.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=batting

The Eng WI Aus series dominates the 80's era guys for those countries. SA not intro'd back until 1991 hurts them too. SL joined late. Zim and Bangladesh joined later. And the NZ team was a very small squad in the 1980's. Also less cricket of course.

I'd be looking at someone like Kallis for opponents.

He's only at 482 with and against...


Tendulkar will have this record for a while I suspect at 602...

Vettori with and against 426 incl the ICC XI...

Murali 486...
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Re: Sachin (492) on Top

Postby givemeahug786 » Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:23 am

raja wrote:Interesting.
Is there a link?

If a player plays one Test each against new teams, Afghanistan and Ireland, he straightaway adds 22 to his count.

Btw, none of the players mentioned above is a surprise.

Considering Rhodes' played Test cricket from 1899 - 1930 (with WW1 thrown in between), no surprise he's at 96.
Hutton and Compton played pre-and post-War (started just before WW2), so naturally a lot of new players came in, after the War.
Hammond too - just that his career ended soon after WW2.

Cowdrey came in out of retirement in 1974-75, that should have helped his count. :-)

That way, Brian Close would have also had a count increase when he came back in 1976, but he didn't play too many Tests.

Wonder what the count for Bobby Simpson is.

He came back in 1977-78 against India (captaining a Packer-impoverished side, so totally new players).
Went on to the Windies too - so that's another set of new opponents.

Where can we get an exhaustive list?

Apart from the natural reasons (like playing with/against a totally new team) or having a fairly long career (Boycs, Gooch, Anderson fit in here), this could also be a measure of how much a team has been in flux.

Which is probably why we don't see a Steve Waugh being mentioned here.
Although he had a pretty long career too, once Australia got onto winning ways in 90s, the team was pretty stable.

Wonder what Border's count is.

Heck, I really need an exhaustive list now.


no link but i assumes its cricketmonthly
BD opt Fields vs Mighty windies who trashed BD 3/0 in 4 games wc

Most one sided contest in wc >> (ind vs Pak 7/0)-
pak vs SL 7/0-,(w.i vs Zim 6/0) Pak vs Zim 5/0,nz vs BD 5/0,SL vs Zim 5/0,

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Re: Sachin (492) on Top

Postby raja » Sat Mar 09, 2019 4:31 am

Paddles wrote:Border played in a minnow pre era. No Zimbabwe or Banga for Allan, let alone Afg and Ire.

361 with and against.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=batting

You can just enter in the team of the player, or exclude team to get the with and the against seperated.

So click "return to query" and enter Australia - for example.

Aus play heavy against Eng and WI in those eras too, and little against say Pak or SL.

Steve Waugh played with and against 462 players - almost 1/3 matches vs England, and almost 1/2 matches Eng and WI combined. He hardly played against India at all as it just wasn't a thing until late in his career. The irony is he debut'd against India and finished against India.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=batting

The Eng WI Aus series dominates the 80's era guys for those countries. SA not intro'd back until 1991 hurts them too. SL joined late. Zim and Bangladesh joined later. And the NZ team was a very small squad in the 1980's. Also less cricket of course.

I'd be looking at someone like Kallis for opponents.

He's only at 482 with and against...


Tendulkar will have this record for a while I suspect at 602...

Vettori with and against 426 incl the ICC XI...

Murali 486...


Thanks a lot, Paddles.

This is what I was looking for.

I can now indulge myself this weekend. :grin:

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Re: Sachin (492) on Top

Postby raja » Sat Mar 09, 2019 4:43 am

Tests: Bobby Simpson 64 (team-mates) & 168 (opponents).

The fewer countries in his time definitely hurt.

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Re: Sachin (492) on Top

Postby raja » Sat Mar 09, 2019 4:52 am

Anil Kumble , across all formats (Tests/ODIs/T20s) : 108 team-mates
Tests : 73.

With Kumble in the team,
Sachin 9924 runs
Dravid 8570
Ganguly 5794
Laxman 5192
Sehwag 4921.

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Re: Sachin (492) on Top

Postby raja » Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:06 am

For Sachin, I get 848 players from opposition teams, if I choose ALL formats (Test/ODI/T20I).

This includes Saudi Arabia, Maldives etc. :-)


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Re: Sachin (492) on Top

Postby Paddles » Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:09 am

raja wrote:For Sachin, I get 848 players from opposition teams, if I choose ALL formats (Test/ODI/T20I).

This includes Saudi Arabia, Maldives etc. :-)


http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=batting


beat that first try:

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=batting

It would be Chris Gayle's easily - I mean easily - had he not abandoned WI so often...

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Re: Sachin (492) on Top

Postby raja » Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:15 am

Your queries (for Afridi and Gayle) include home country.
I've excluded India in my Tendulkar search.

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Re: Sachin (492) on Top

Postby raja » Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:16 am

If you exclude Pakistan for Afridi, you get 762.

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Re: Sachin (492) on Top

Postby Paddles » Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:22 pm

My apologies raja :-)

My remains valid for Gayle though :P He's played in ICC qualifier events given the WI decline :P
"Your inclination to assume and contradict is typical of Narcissism which is nothing about being pretty like the Narcissus fable."

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