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If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Mick180461 » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:01 am

The Gilchrist v Astle thread gave me a great idea for a thread.
If you had a time machine to go back in history, what great performance in Cricket would you select to go and watch. Me i would pick one of the 3 great innings played by Stan McCabe in the 1930s.
187* v Eng at the Gabba in 1932-33, they called the knock that nearly stopped Bodyline.
189* v SA on the last day at the old Wanderers when he hit the ball so hard the fielding captain succesfully appealed against the light in fear of his fielders getting injured.
232 v Eng at Trent Bridge in 1938 when Bradman told his players to come out on the balcony to watch him and afterwards Bradman told him "if i could play a knock like that Stan i would be a proud man".
Some would say that you would go back and watch Bradman, i think it would get boring after a while.

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby raja » Wed Mar 08, 2017 2:14 pm

Yes, I agree.
These were all very special knocks.

I think Gavaskar's 96 in his last Test innings (where he was out to a wrong umpiring decision) was also very special.
I watched that innings on TV.
What a match!
What a wicket to bat on. The ball was turning square at times - only Gavaskar stood tall.
After 4 terribly boring Tests in the series against arch-rivals Pakistan, this was the series decider.

Another innings I'd like to see is Vishwanath's 97* against Roberts & co at the Chepauk stadium, Madras, in 1974-75.

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Boycs » Wed Mar 08, 2017 3:37 pm

Would want to see the Pollock/Richards et al. South African team playing Australia.

'81 Ashes Test at Headingley.

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Leo » Wed Mar 08, 2017 4:10 pm

Brian Lara 277 vs Australia
Saeed Anwar 194 vs India
Time is the Best Speaker

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Going South » Wed Mar 08, 2017 4:19 pm

Yuvraj 6 sixers off broad

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Boycs » Wed Mar 08, 2017 4:46 pm

Goochs 154 off the West Indies maybe

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Boycs » Wed Mar 08, 2017 4:47 pm

Plus I'd want to go back to see bradman to see if he actually had to face bowlers as fast as we do in the modern game, and for the same reason I'd like to see wg grace batting. I'd wager half the pace bowlers he faced bowler at derek underwood speed

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Going South » Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:05 pm

I would love to see kapil's one off 187 runs in one day match that was not video recorded.

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Mick180461 » Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:04 pm

BoyCaught30 wrote:Would want to see the Pollock/Richards et al. South African team playing Australia.

'81 Ashes Test at Headingley.

No 1 yes i certainly would love to see Pollock & Richards at their best, saw Richards years after he retired in a charity match make 50 odd, you could see the sheer class.
No 2 no never, ever, ever :crybaby: never, never, never ever
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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Mick180461 » Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:10 pm

BoyCaught30 wrote:Plus I'd want to go back to see bradman to see if he actually had to face bowlers as fast as we do in the modern game, and for the same reason I'd like to see wg grace batting. I'd wager half the pace bowlers he faced bowler at derek underwood speed

The wkts in Grace's time were poorly prepared and the most dangerous bowlers were Underwood types who would bowl fastish spin.
By all reports Larwood was as quick as any to play the game, thrown in a packed leg slip field he was nearly unplayable.

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Thats not the 175 he made against Zimbabwe in the 83 WC, when he came in at 5/17 is it? That would certainly been worth watching.

So far everyone has talked about great innings, how about some great bowling, Massie at Lords in 72 i would love to have seen.

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Misty » Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:17 pm

# I think mohd Wasim's 109 not out in the 4th innings off his DEBUT test vs NZ was one of greatest knock, he came at the wicket with Pakistan 67 for 6, chasing 271.

# 2
Best friend of SRT during school days,Vinod Kambli's early test record cricketing world not notices.
His first 8 test innings over 50/200/100
16/59/-/227/224/125/114/83
(he was star material like G,Hadlee and E.Weeks but his career over too soon )
*Dbl vs England and vs single vs srilanka

#3 RUN MACHINE : G.Gooch 1990:Lords test
333 and 133 in same test =Machine produced 456 runs
Still @ record after 27 years.
(modern day cricket, top batsman need 5 test to reach Aggregates of 450 runs :bow: )

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Mick180461 » Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:19 pm

Leo wrote:Brian Lara 277 vs Australia
Saeed Anwar 194 vs India

Sat at the SCG for Laras knock, i rate it as the best innings i have ever seen, the bowlers were never going to get him out, the run out was the only way.

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Mick180461 » Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:38 pm

Misty wrote:#

# 2
Best friend of SRT during school days,Vinod Kambli's early test record cricketing world not notices.
His first 8 test innings over 50/200/100
16/59/-/227/224/125/114/83
(he was star material like G,Hadlee and E.Weeks but his career over too soon )
*Dbl vs England and vs single vs srilanka
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Didn't they break the all Cricket record partnership while at school, something like 650 odd. Strange how Kambli dissapeared from International Cricket as fast as he arrived, upset someone?

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Mick180461 » Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:50 am

Seeing SL go past Englands 903 in 97 would have been fun

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Leo » Thu Mar 09, 2017 4:02 am

Shahid Afridi 100 of 37 delivery with 1996 mindset. On that time it was one of the most brutal innings of all time.
Time is the Best Speaker

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Misty » Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:29 am

Going South wrote:I would love to see kapil's one off 187 runs in one day match that was not video recorded.



Kapil never hits 187

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If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Going South » Thu Mar 09, 2017 1:07 pm

Misty wrote:
Going South wrote:I would love to see kapil's one off 187 runs in one day match that was not video recorded.


Kapil never hits 187

Correction. It's 175.

This match.

Walking in to bat with the score 9-4 (soon to be 17-5) against rookies Zimbabwe, India captain Kapil Dev smashed his way to 175 not out (138, 16 fours, 6 sixes) in the World Cup match at Tunbridge Wells, June 19, 1983.Jun 17, 2013

BCCI went on to win their first World Cup.

Alas there is no video archive of this match as someone thought it would be insignificant and thought they saved some bucks on live telecast. Huh. What a loss !!

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Misty » Thu Mar 09, 2017 1:54 pm

Not true, I have video, I bought from Jackson heights, newyork in VHS format.I will provides correct address to purchase it from westindies.

I will be in USA after 104 days from India, I will even mail VHS but not easy to find video player now.

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Going South » Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:58 pm

No thanks.
I know a Nigerian prince selling the same. Send your credit card details.

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Boycs » Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:10 pm

Going South wrote:No thanks.
I know a Nigerian prince selling the same. Send your credit card details.


Seems legit.

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Katto » Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:27 am

BoyCaught30 wrote:Would want to see the Pollock/Richards et al. South African team playing Australia.

'81 Ashes Test at Headingley.


I'd pack DRS in my time machine and take it back to that 1969/70 series.

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Mick180461 » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:45 am

Katto wrote:
BoyCaught30 wrote:Would want to see the Pollock/Richards et al. South African team playing Australia.

'81 Ashes Test at Headingley.


I'd pack DRS in my time machine and take it back to that 1969/70 series.

Which one V SA or India
Imagine this after playing this test series jn India, on the way home you have to face the 85 West Indian team in a 4 test series. Thats basically what the ACB done to Lawrys team in 69-70.

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby raja » Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:23 pm

Yes, DRS could have made SUCH a difference!

Sachin was lucky BCCI never agreed to DRS in his time.

The umpires pampered him.

Had there been DRS, the opposition captain would have taken it and Sachin would be walking back, more often than not.

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If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Going South » Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:17 pm

There you go again with your sachin hate.
DRS would have saved sachin wicket equal number of times too. :wtf:

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Boycs » Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:34 pm

I wonder if drs would have saved bradman wicket in his final innings. Was it a no ball?!

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Katto » Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:46 am

Mick180461 wrote:
Katto wrote:
I'd pack DRS in my time machine and take it back to that 1969/70 series.

Which one V SA or India
Imagine this after playing this test series jn India, on the way home you have to face the 85 West Indian team in a 4 test series. Thats basically what the ACB done to Lawrys team in 69-70.


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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Boycs » Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:51 pm

I'd also kinda fancy being able to see some of Doug Walters, that which I've read about him makes him sound an interesting character.

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Paddles » Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:25 am

I think we'd all like to have better quality video of Bradman's (WG Grace, Hutton, Hobbs, Sutcliffe, Hammond, McCabe et al) batting, but I would definitely love high quality video of SF Barnes, and all the early medium pacer spinners with their forgotten arts. I'd like to see more high quality of the subsequent O'Reiley (with Grimmett) as well.

Aubrey Faulkner and Les Ames interest me highly as cricketers too.

If we're dreaming with the time machine thing, what I'd really like most is I'd like to see a late 70's and early 80's show down between Safrica and West Indies. I bet BoyCaught30 would like to see those series that never happened as well.

And in a Kiwi flavour, I'd have Jeff Wilson in 1993 say no to NZRFU and stay in cricket. What he could have achieved with Chris Cairns (and ideally supported by non-injured Nash earlier and Oram later) is a big 'what if' for Kiwi cricket fans, robbed of a genuine opportunity for a class seam attack where all were allrounders with the bat, which looks even better with Vettori's spin. They were all red and white ball players as well. Wilson's batting stats presumably take a dive given 12 years out of the game, but when a youngster he opened the batting and bowling for Otago.

Fortunately the IPL means that money is less of a factor and the extremely talented will choose cricket, in the rugby obsessed nation that is NZ. Tom Bruce is the first, of what I hope is many, talented sportsmen who are choosing cricket over rugby in NZ.
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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Mick180461 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:09 am

BoyCaught30 wrote:I'd also kinda fancy being able to see some of Doug Walters, that which I've read about him makes him sound an interesting character.

Not against genuine Pace but against spin and Fast Medium definently. The innings to go back and watch would be his 103 at Perth in 74-75, still remember that final 6 to bring up his 100. Probably more than any thing else started my love affair with Cricket.
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Postby Mick180461 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:36 am

Paddles wrote:I think we'd all like to have better quality video of Bradman's (WG Grace, Hutton, Hobbs, Sutcliffe, Hammond, McCabe et al) batting, but I would definitely love high quality video of SF Barnes, and all the early medium pacer spinners with their forgotten arts. I'd like to see more high quality of the subsequent O'Reiley (with Grimmett) as well.

Aubrey Faulkner and Les Ames interest me highly as cricketers too.

If we're dreaming with the time machine thing, what I'd really like most is I'd like to see a late 70's and early 80's show down between Safrica and West Indies. I bet BoyCaught30 would like to see those series that never happened as well.

And in a Kiwi flavour, I'd have Jeff Wilson in 1993 say no to NZRFU and stay in cricket. What he could have achieved with Chris Cairns (and ideally supported by non-injured Nash earlier and Oram later) is a big 'what if' for Kiwi cricket fans, robbed of a genuine opportunity for a class seam attack where all were allrounders with the bat, which looks even better with Vettori's spin. They were all red and white ball players as well. Wilson's batting stats presumably take a dive given 12 years out of the game, but when a youngster he opened the batting and bowling for Otago.

Fortunately the IPL means that money is less of a factor and the extremely talented will choose cricket, in the rugby obsessed nation that is NZ. Tom Bruce is the first, of what I hope is many, talented sportsmen who are choosing cricket over rugby in NZ.

The greatest team that never was, a South African team from around 78
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2. Barlow(c)
3. McKenzie
4. G Pollock
5. P Kirsten
6 Irvine (K)
7. Rice
8. Proctor
9. Le Roux
10. Hobson
11. Van Der Bijl
2 of the greatest batsman ever to hold a bat, a great Keeper-Batsman 30 yrs ahead of his time, 2 off the alltime great allrounders one of whom is arguably the best player never to play Test Cricket, another good Allrounder, a pace attack to match the Windies and a quality Leggie to back them up. A match up with the Aussie side of 74-76 or the Windies of the late 70s would have been mouth watering. And less than 15% of the pop to pick from.
You rate Jeff Wilson that highly Paddles, never saw him play Cricket but had to watch him play Rugby plenty of times (when i was still interested).
The wkts seem to have been far more conducive to bowling fastish finger Spin up till about 1920 and then they seem to have dissapeared to a fair degree. Would SF Barnes be as effective on the highly prepared wkts of today?

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Paddles » Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:31 pm

Hi Mick, yeah Wilson was a match winner and a star (with the bat) before C Cairns was despite Cairn's earlier debut, he was also comfortably outbowling Cairns on his return. If Cairns was to develop as the better batsman, Wilson may well have had it over him as a bowler. But given Wilson opened the batting for his province and made a name for himself with a match winning knock of 44* against Aus in 1992/1993, there is an element of doubt for me that Wilson would not have outclassed Cairns with the willow as well. Im pretty sure Wilson was keeping Cairns out of the team at this stage, after the Parore Cairns "bouncer". So thats how highly he Wilson was not only rated but the level he was bowling at. Of course he could have been injury prone and rarely play as well. For the briefest period he was a cricket commentator and he is astute. He's a smart guy and for those of us who prefer the black cap to the all black jersey - its a big "what if" to have had both players available for the next dozen years.

Great question re SF Barnes and todays wickets - I just watched Southee bowl entire short spells of cutters at Hamilton in the Safrica odi series. Mustafizur has been a torment on Asian pitches in limited overs as well as in test spells. Barnes was bowling leg cutters as well, everything bar the googly and perhaps doosra. Would he be cannon fodder on todays Adelaide day 2, maybe, or did he bowl seam nibble and and dip and swing in such conditions, but then again would he be a match winner on SCG day 4? I don't think SF Barnes was a sticky wicket specialist (20's to 60's) and that he could exploit most pitch conditions to suit but without high quality footage and against more batsmen of note - I'm just relying on hearsay.
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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Mick180461 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:11 pm

Padles re : Bowlers & Pitches pre 1910, you just have to look at the general run of scores from those days, the amount of runs being scored is significantly lower than afterwards. Now this may be a case of the bowlers being superior but i find it hard to believe that the quality of bowlers suddenly fell away, i think there was a major improvement in the quality of pitch preperation leading to more runs being scored and the bowlers not getting the same amount of help from the wkts unless of course you ran into a sticky.

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Paddles » Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:30 pm

Mick180461 wrote:Padles re : Bowlers & Pitches pre 1910, you just have to look at the general run of scores from those days, the amount of runs being scored is significantly lower than afterwards. Now this may be a case of the bowlers being superior but i find it hard to believe that the quality of bowlers suddenly fell away, i think there was a major improvement in the quality of pitch preperation leading to more runs being scored and the bowlers not getting the same amount of help from the wkts unless of course you ran into a sticky.


When did sightscreens become the norm? Those early low scores are curious as the likes of Trumper put up some huge scores as well, presumably on non rain effected pitches. But the medium pace spin and its sucess did not die till post O'Reiley even excluding the later sticky specialists like Derek Underwood. I'd love to see all these guys bowl on modern BCCI prepared pitches.
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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Mick180461 » Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:45 am

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Mick180461 wrote:Padles re : Bowlers & Pitches pre 1910, you just have to look at the general run of scores from those days, the amount of runs being scored is significantly lower than afterwards. Now this may be a case of the bowlers being superior but i find it hard to believe that the quality of bowlers suddenly fell away, i think there was a major improvement in the quality of pitch preperation leading to more runs being scored and the bowlers not getting the same amount of help from the wkts unless of course you ran into a sticky.


When did sightscreens become the norm? Those early low scores are curious as the likes of Trumper put up some huge scores as well, presumably on non rain effected pitches. But the medium pace spin and its sucess did not die till post O'Reiley even excluding the later sticky specialists like Derek Underwood. I'd love to see all these guys bowl on modern BCCI prepared pitches.

You want to know how good O'Reilly would have been in India just look at Kumble, he's the modern equiv. Can't help with the Sightscreen question.

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Misty » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:47 pm

Mick,

Van d. Bijil took 10 wits in dozen times, under 800 FC wickets.but no test plays
Barry Richard 508 runs in his test career and Proctor 41 test wickets and under 230 test runs in test career but yes in first class cricket all above your greatest (1978) team had outstanding achivments

I would say greatest team ever was Australians during Ian and Greg Chappell era.

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Mick180461 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:24 am

Misty wrote:Mick,

Van d. Bijil took 10 wits in dozen times, under 800 FC wickets.but no test plays
Barry Richard 508 runs in his test career and Proctor 41 test wickets and under 230 test runs in test career but yes in first class cricket all above your greatest (1978) team had outstanding achivments

I would say greatest team ever was Australians during Ian and Greg Chappell era.

The Australian side of the Mid 70s was a great 1st 11 but had no depth, the 6th Ashes test in 74-75, Thommo was injured and Lillee broke down after 6 overs and Australia was badly beaten. It's hard to admit this as that Australian side is what started my love affair for Cricket but i would have to put that side 3rd behind the Windies side of 84-85 and the Aussie side of 99-00.
As i said before Clive Rice is probably the best player never to play Test Cricket, picked for the 71-72 SA side that was cancelled (protesters would have made it impossible, there was a Rugby tour of Australia in the Winter of 1971 that turned into a virtual War) Captained SA in India in 3 ODIs in 1991 at 42 but was then discarded by the Selectors.
Formed a legendary partnership with Richard Hadlee at Nottinghamshire that was the Terror of English County Cricket, averaged 41 with the bat & 22 with the ball in FC Cricket, now that is as close to a genuine Allrounder as you will ever get.
Of what i can gather Le Roux who played in the Packer WSC was an out & out quick and Van Der Bijl who went to England for 1 season of County Cricket and was virtually unplayable, was more a McGrath type.

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Paddles » Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:11 am

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When did sightscreens become the norm? Those early low scores are curious as the likes of Trumper put up some huge scores as well, presumably on non rain effected pitches. But the medium pace spin and its sucess did not die till post O'Reiley even excluding the later sticky specialists like Derek Underwood. I'd love to see all these guys bowl on modern BCCI prepared pitches.

You want to know how good O'Reilly would have been in India just look at Kumble, he's the modern equiv. Can't help with the Sightscreen question.


Kumble may compare to O'Reilly in pace, but he's far slower than Barnes in that case. I've read that Kumble's fastest ever recorded was 118 but he was more commonly 95-105. Barnes was between 70 and 80mph or 112 to 128km. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2011/may/17/the-spin-twirlymen-andy-bull
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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Mick180461 » Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:14 am

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Mick180461 wrote:You want to know how good O'Reilly would have been in India just look at Kumble, he's the modern equiv. Can't help with the Sightscreen question.


Kumble may compare to O'Reilly in pace, but he's far slower than Barnes in that case. I've read that Kumble's fastest ever recorded was 118 but he was more commonly 95-105. Barnes was between 70 and 80mph or 112 to 128km. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2011/may/17/the-spin-twirlymen-andy-bull

Kumble & O'Reilly were Leg Spinners, Barnes was a fast-med bowler of cutters why are we comparing them :dontknow:

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Paddles » Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:28 am

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Kumble may compare to O'Reilly in pace, but he's far slower than Barnes in that case. I've read that Kumble's fastest ever recorded was 118 but he was more commonly 95-105. Barnes was between 70 and 80mph or 112 to 128km. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2011/may/17/the-spin-twirlymen-andy-bull

Kumble & O'Reilly were Leg Spinners, Barnes was a fast-med bowler of cutters why are we comparing them :dontknow:


Barnes wasn't a poor man's Merv Hughes or RIchard Snell.

Barnes was legitimate spinner at medium pace, of both off and leg spin where his stock ball was the leg break. To distinguish between his pace making him a "bowler of cutters" and O'Reilly a leg spinner is tenuous at best. You will have to differentiate for me the leg cutter from the leg spinner. Because if its just a matter of the degree of wrist movement in your defintion, SF Barnes very much bowled leg spin and turned his wrist at delivery. I apologise if this confused you, but I was talking of SF Barners leg cutters as a medium pace spinner and their forgotten arts. Many of medium fast bowlers also turn their wrist as opposed to merely unfurling in their "leg cutter" which should be, called then - "leg break" slower balls. But like I say, for them it is a rare variation, for SF Barnes; it was his stock delivery.

O'Reilly was brought into the debate with SF Barnes but none other than Don Bradman, who concluded that because O'Reilley had the googly, he was better than Barnes. Barnes famous retort was - he didn't need the googly (few could discern his off break from his leg break due to the way he released his leg break and bowled a proper off spinner - he didn't just cut the side of it). Don obviously thought it worthy to compare the quick twirlymen by their arsenal of deliveries. Why don't you? It does appear that Barnes vs O'reilley has been long favourite topic of comparison in the Lara vs Tendulkar ilk. Noone ever said Lara is left handed, why are we comparing them?

The last player of international renown to attempt the art of medium pace spin in tests, was not the slower Kumble as you raised, but Derek Underwood (as I raised) and agreed to by the authors mentioned in that article I provided.
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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Mick180461 » Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:21 am

I wouldn't get to carried away with any discussion between Bradman & O'Reilly, they hated each others guts.

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Paddles » Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:29 am

Mick180461 wrote:I wouldn't get to carried away with any discussion between Bradman & O'Reilly, they hated each others guts.


And yet the Don still said O'Reilley was better than Barnes...
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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Misty » Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:57 am

Barnes better with 189 test wickets in only 27 or 29 test.No way you can say '' OReilley never
Bowls in India with spin Friendly tracks otherwise.........''

Cricket stats says ""Barnes the best""

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Misty » Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:01 pm

I think Freddie Trueman's début test vs India in England '' he was better than any fast bowler in the world that morning : India lost 4 wickets with no run on Board :0 for 4.......

Never ever happen again in test cricket in its 140 years test history.
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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Misty » Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:18 pm

Paddles wrote:
Mick180461 wrote:I wouldn't get to carried away with any discussion between Bradman & O'Reilly, they hated each others guts.


And yet the Don still said O'Reilley was better than Barnes...


O'Reilly took Wally Hammonds wicket 10 times so I do not think you are greater than
Barnes, out off 144 wickets O' took,100 wickets from English player, who were weak vs spin
Did you see how D.KOCK struggling vs Patel, that dose not mean Patel is greatest bowler.

I will proves my point tomorrow as my Equipment need to recharge

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Mick180461 » Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:14 pm

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Mick180461 wrote:I wouldn't get to carried away with any discussion between Bradman & O'Reilly, they hated each others guts.


And yet the Don still said O'Reilley was better than Barnes...

Bradman never saw Barnes so how would he know, also said O'Reilly was the best bowler he ever saw.

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Paddles » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:46 pm

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And yet the Don still said O'Reilley was better than Barnes...

Bradman never saw Barnes so how would he know, also said O'Reilly was the best bowler he ever saw.



Well I don't know if Sir Don never saw SF Barnes in person, but as I said

"O'Reilly was brought into the debate with SF Barnes but none other than Don Bradman, who concluded that because O'Reilley had the googly, he was better than Barnes".

Do you even read?
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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Paddles » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:48 pm

My apologies to poking fun at the apparently cerebrally challenged Mick. I'll take it easier on him from now on when he learns to to lay off the ad hominem fallacy and actually reads and comprehends posts before replying. In the meantime however. I'm content to shoot down his posts, like Annie Oakley could shoot fish in a barrel.
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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Boycs » Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:13 am

Paddles wrote:My apologies to poking fun at the apparently cerebrally challenged Mick.


Paddles wrote:I'll take it easier on him from now on when he learns to to lay off the ad hominem fallacy


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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Mick180461 » Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:35 am

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Mick180461 wrote:Bradman never saw Barnes so how would he know, also said O'Reilly was the best bowler he ever saw.



Well I don't know if Sir Don never saw SF Barnes in person, but as I said

"O'Reilly was brought into the debate with SF Barnes but none other than Don Bradman, who concluded that because O'Reilley had the googly, he was better than Barnes".

Do you even read?

The last time Barnes was in Australia was in 1911, so Bradman may have toddled of to the SCG to warch him as 3yo but it's unlikely. One thing about Barnes on the 1913-14 tour of SA, the tests were played on Matting wickets, which Barnes would have been the perfect bowler to exploit.
Barnes & O'Reilly were truely great bowlers but in different eras, playing on different wkts against different batsman so really is pointless trying to compare them. One other thing the arts of bowling in Barnes's time is highly unlikely just to have been forgotten within a 20 year period as you have suggested, there was bowlers who played in 1900 still playing 1930, more likely that there was an improvement in pitches which made their style of bowling less afective.

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Re: If you had a Time Machine?

Postby Mick180461 » Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:15 am

Paddles wrote:My apologies to poking fun at the apparently cerebrally challenged Mick. I'll take it easier on him from now on when he learns to to lay off the ad hominem fallacy and actually reads and comprehends posts before replying. In the meantime however. I'm content to shoot down his posts, like Annie Oakley could shoot fish in a barrel.

You haven't effectively shot down a post yet, only think you have.