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All-time Barbados team

Postby raja » Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:42 am

What a fantastic team this is!

http://www.espncricinfo.com/westindies/ ... 69883.html

Wonder how other teams would look - e.g. an all-time Yorkshire or Surrey team, or New South Wales / Victoria / South Australia team?

Or a Bombay team?

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby Katto » Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:47 am

I did an all time South Australia team once and it was pretty awesome, probably the best batting line up ever assembled - its stuffed away on this forum somewhere if it made the transition to the new server I dont know.

That team would never lose a match, it may have a little more trouble winning one though although the bowling attack did also include Joel Garner and Gary Sobers.

An all time NSW team would be awesome too, not sure about Victoria - they never had as many imports and tended to be greater than the sum of their parts in their good domestic seasons.

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby raja » Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:31 am

But is it a first-class side like KwaZulu Natal?
Or South Africa as a whole?

Here we're talking about first-class sides.

Yorkshire had Sutcliffe, Boycott, Hutton, Trueman. Not considering imports like Tendulkar.

Surrey had a very strong side in the 50s, with May, Barrington, Laker and Lock, amongst others.
And in an all-time side, they'd have Jack Hobbs too.

Bombay would have a decent batting line-up but their bowling would be suspect.

All these teams would be thrashed by Barbados. :-)

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby Katto » Thu Dec 01, 2016 2:01 pm

imports are still first class players

if you're going to put conditions like, must be from same country of that team it complicates matters

NSW would have the best in history in my biased opinion

of course only Australian and English teams have had significant amount of imports historically due to the money on offer

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby Boycs » Thu Dec 01, 2016 5:44 pm

I think a best Yorkshire eleven playing in England wouldn't include tendulkar anyway

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby Going South » Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:03 pm

BoyCaught30 wrote:I think a best Yorkshire eleven playing in England wouldn't include tendulkar anyway

Oh. You are also a joker now?

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby raja » Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:30 am

If you're going to include imports, Somerset might do well too.

They had home boy Ian Botham, but imports like Viv Richards, Greg Chappell and Joel Garner. :-)

Notts had Gary Sobers (and homegrown Derek Randall).

Warks had Rohan Kanhai and Alvin Kallicharran (and homegrown Dennis Amiss and James Jameson).

Hants had Barry Richards and Gordon Greenidge (and Warney later), Lancs had Clive Lloyd, Farokh Engineer and Wasim Akram (and Ganguly too), Glamorgan had Majid Khan, Javed Miandad and Ravi Shastri, Gloucestershire had Zaheer Abbas (and home-grown Wally Hammond), Sussex had Imran Khan and MAK Pataudi (and John Snow and Tony Greig). Northants had Mushtaq Mohammad and Bishen Bedi. Derbyshire had Venkataraghavan and Sadiq Mohammad.

In the late 70s/early 80s, Middlesex was a very strong side, full of England cricketers.

Worcs had Glenn Turner.

Leics had the redoubtable Barry Dudleston.

Kent had Asif Iqbal and Rahul Dravid (and homegrown Colin Cowdrey, Alan Knott and Derek Underwood). Essex had Ken McEwan (and homegrown Keith Fletcher, Gooch and Alastair Cook).

Kumble has played for Leics, Northants and Surrey. Mike Hussey has played for Durham, Gloucestershire and Northants.

So it gets a bit murky if we allow imports into this contest.

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby raja » Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:34 am

BoyCaught30 wrote:I think a best Yorkshire eleven playing in England wouldn't include tendulkar anyway


If we're making a squad of 16, he might just get a look-in.

Not certain, but he does stand a slight chance, especially on a flat wicket, where the ball isn't doing too much - and if Root is happy to take a game off.

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby Boycs » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:26 am

Going South wrote:
BoyCaught30 wrote:I think a best Yorkshire eleven playing in England wouldn't include tendulkar anyway

Oh. You are also a joker now?


No I'm serious. Tendulkar is likely a better batsman than many who have played for Yorkshire, but I think if you looked for players who were best suited for playing just for Yorkshire in England he probably wouldn't fit in the top 6 batsmen.

Unless we're talking about a one day Yorkshire side in which case yes I think tendulkar would be in there.

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby Boycs » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:32 am

raja wrote:If you're going to include imports, Somerset might do well too.

They had home boy Ian Botham, but imports like Viv Richards, Greg Chappell and Joel Garner. :-)

Notts had Gary Sobers (and homegrown Derek Randall).

Warks had Rohan Kanhai and Alvin Kallicharran (and homegrown Dennis Amiss and James Jameson).

Hants had Barry Richards and Gordon Greenidge (and Warney later), Lancs had Clive Lloyd, Farokh Engineer and Wasim Akram (and Ganguly too), Glamorgan had Majid Khan, Javed Miandad and Ravi Shastri, Gloucestershire had Zaheer Abbas (and home-grown Wally Hammond), Sussex had Imran Khan and MAK Pataudi (and John Snow and Tony Greig). Northants had Mushtaq Mohammad and Bishen Bedi. Derbyshire had Venkataraghavan and Sadiq Mohammad.

In the late 70s/early 80s, Middlesex was a very strong side, full of England cricketers.

Worcs had Glenn Turner.

Leics had the redoubtable Barry Dudleston.

Kent had Asif Iqbal and Rahul Dravid (and homegrown Colin Cowdrey, Alan Knott and Derek Underwood). Essex had Ken McEwan (and homegrown Keith Fletcher, Gooch and Alastair Cook).

Kumble has played for Leics, Northants and Surrey. Mike Hussey has played for Durham, Gloucestershire and Northants.

So it gets a bit murky if we allow imports into this contest.


Dudleston doesn't even have a profile on cricinfo. Raja you should email them and volunteer to write some of these profiles for them

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby Mick180461 » Thu Feb 02, 2017 3:45 am

I'll throw up a team to take on Barbados
VT Trumper
AR Morris
DG Bradman
AR Border
SR Waugh
AC Gilchrist
KR Miller
Imran Khan
R Benaud
RR lindwall
WJ O'Reilly
GD McGrath(12th)
Every single player wore the baggy blue of NSW.
Now to be fair to the Bajan team I'll drop the players who aren't originally from NSW thats Miller & Imran and replace them with AK Davidson & GD McGrath into the 11 and make ME Waugh as 12th man.

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby raja » Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:32 am

Mick180461 wrote:I'll throw up a team to take on Barbados
VT Trumper
AR Morris
DG Bradman
AR Border
SR Waugh
AC Gilchrist
KR Miller
Imran Khan
R Benaud
RR lindwall
WJ O'Reilly
GD McGrath(12th)
Every single player wore the baggy blue of NSW.
Now to be fair to the Bajan team I'll drop the players who aren't originally from NSW thats Miller & Imran and replace them with AK Davidson & GD McGrath into the 11 and make ME Waugh as 12th man.


Wow, that's one hell of a team!

I didn't even know Gilly played for NSW, I always pictured him as a Western Australia guy.

This team has some of my all-time favourite players, starting with Trumper. :-)

Considering Trumper was master of batting on the most treacherous of wickets, and Bradman could bat on and on in practically all other conditions, you've got both situations covered.

But in the worst case, if both are dismissed early, you have the fighters Border and Waugh in there. They've dug Australia out of many a ditch, and they'd do the same for NSW.

Then, to up the pace (if you're setting a target, or in a tough chase), you have Gilly and one of my all-time favourites, Miller.

The bowling is also very well served with the legendary Lindwall-Miller pair and a minor detail in the form of Imran (whose under-estimated batting might not even be necessary but could turn the screw even further).

Spin would be formidably represented by O'Reilly and Benaud - and though, on paper, both are leg-break bowlers, their styles were very different.

To have Pidgeon as 12th man, says a lot about this team.

Yes, I could rally behind this one. :-)

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby Mick180461 » Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:11 am

The shere depth of players would leave any other side far behind, look at the players who didn't make that 12.
Davidson, M Waugh, Simpson, Walters, Mark Taylor,, Slater, Noble, Harvey, Clarke.
Gilly was born & grew up on the North Coast of NSW, played the 93-94 seson for NSW as a batsman and then took up a offer from the WACA and the rest is as they say is history.

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby Boycs » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:02 am

I think Yorkshire could pull up an all time xi to play your two teams

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby Mick180461 » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:23 pm

BoyCaught30 wrote:I think Yorkshire could pull up an all time xi to play your two teams


Definitely and Surrey wouldn't be to far behind either, Yorkshire team would have a pretty fair start with Hutton & Sutcliffe to open, Freddy Trueman to take the new ball. Wilfred Rhodes to bowl spin and bat 7 or 8.

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby raja » Thu Feb 02, 2017 2:25 pm

Mick180461 wrote:
BoyCaught30 wrote:I think Yorkshire could pull up an all time xi to play your two teams


Definitely and Surrey wouldn't be to far behind either, Yorkshire team would have a pretty fair start with Hutton & Sutcliffe to open, Freddy Trueman to take the new ball. Wilfred Rhodes to bowl spin and bat 7 or 8.


At what batting position would we fit in Boycott? Assuming he merits a spot? Otherwise our own BoyCaught30 will stage a protest outside the British Parliament. :grin:

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby Katto » Thu Feb 02, 2017 3:22 pm

Andy Flower
Barry Richards
Don Bradman
Younis Khan
GS Chappell
I Chappell
Gary Sobers
Jason Gillespie
Clarrie Grimmett
Joel Garner
Lance Gibbs

not quite as strong as NSW, but not bad
would bat for 4 days

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby Mick180461 » Fri Feb 03, 2017 10:50 am

Katto wrote:
not quite as strong as NSW, but not bad
would bat for 4 days


A bit heavy on imports though.
Try this for a Qld Team.
1. Mat Hayden
2. Usman Khawaja
3. Viv Richards
4. Greg Chappell
5. Alan Border
6. Ian Botham
7. Ian Healy
8. Ray Lindwall
9. Wes Hall
10. Craig McDermott
11. Jeff Thomson
Imagine facing that attack on a Gabba Green Top. Bit light on for spin though.

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby Mick180461 » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:18 am

A Yorkshire team
1. Len Hutton
2. Herbert Sutcliffe
3. Geiff Boycott
4. Maurice Leyland
5. Darren Lehmann
6. Wilfred Rhodes
7. George Hirst
8. David Bairstow
9. Johhny Wardle/Hedley Verity
10. Fred Trueman
11. Darren Gough
Cant pick between them*

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby Katto » Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:35 pm

Mick180461 wrote:A Yorkshire team
1. Len Hutton
2. Herbert Sutcliffe
3. Geiff Boycott
4. Maurice Leyland
5. Darren Lehmann
6. Wilfred Rhodes
7. George Hirst
8. David Bairstow
9. Johhny Wardle/Hedley Verity
10. Fred Trueman
11. Darren Gough
Cant pick between them*


Lehmann would've qualified for my team but wasnt good enough to make it :mrgreen:

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby Mick180461 » Fri Feb 03, 2017 6:13 pm

Katto wrote:
Mick180461 wrote:A Yorkshire team
Lehmann would've qualified for my team but wasnt good enough to make it :mrgreen:


Katto, don't know if it's my tablet or not but your team didn't come up all it's got is an empty space.

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:05 am

Mick180461 wrote:The shere depth of players would leave any other side far behind, look at the players who didn't make that 12.
Davidson, M Waugh, Simpson, Walters, Mark Taylor,, Slater, Noble, Harvey, Clarke.
Gilly was born & grew up on the North Coast of NSW, played the 93-94 seson for NSW as a batsman and then took up a offer from the WACA and the rest is as they say is history.


Sorry Mick. McGrath not in the first X1? Never. Someone has to make way for the pigeon.

Another interesting team would be one made up of former Blues that were lured to other Aussie states.

Donald Bradman (c) Allan Border, Ed Cowan, Andrew Hilditch, Usman Khawaja, Adam Gilchrist, Ray Lindwall, Geoff Thompson, Len Pascoe, spinner? Phil Hughes (12) Others are Dan Christian, John Hastings, Joe mennie, Jackson Bird, Chris Tremain. Others?
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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby Mick180461 » Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:25 am

baggygreenmania wrote:
Mick180461 wrote:The shere depth of players would leave any other side far behind, look at the players who didn't make that 12.
Davidson, M Waugh, Simpson, Walters, Mark Taylor,, Slater, Noble, Harvey, Clarke.
Gilly was born & grew up on the North Coast of NSW, played the 93-94 seson for NSW as a batsman and then took up a offer from the WACA and the rest is as they say is history.


Sorry Mick. McGrath not in the first X1? Never. Someone has to make way for the pigeon.


To be honest about it Baggers it come down between Imran, Lindwall, Davidson & McGrath for 2 spots, can't break those 4 up on bowling ability alone so had to go to other areas and I'm afraid that is where Pidgeon misses out. When i picked the team i forgot about Davo, if i was to pick the team again i would have Davidson for Lindwall. He gives the side bowling variety, being Left Armed, was a very capable late order bat, and a brilliant Gully fielder.
So who makes way Baggers? c'mon you have to name someone.

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:32 am

Mick. Khan is a ring in..only Aussie-born players. Pigeon will go down as a legend. Has to be in the all time best X1. My best all time Aussie bowling squad would be McGrath, Lillee, Lindwall, Warne. Miller as reserve.

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby Mick180461 » Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:35 am

baggygreenmania wrote:Mick. Khan is a ring in..only Aussie-born players. Pigeon will go down as a legend. Has to be in the all time best X1. My best all time Aussie bowling squad would be McGrath, Lillee, Lindwall, Warne. Miller as reserve.


I would have all 5 in my team with Gilly & Miller 6 & 7, you have 6 batsman in the top 5 (Bradmans worth 2) so why not carry 2 very rare true allrounders/Keeper-bats in your team. Purely on bowling ability i would have Davidson, O'Reilly & Grimmett in front of Miller.
My all time Aussie 11
1. Hayden
2. Trumper
3. Bradman
4. Ponting
5. G Chappell
6. K Miller
7. Gilchrist
8. Davidson
9. Warne
10. O'Reilly
11. Lillee

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby Katto » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:42 am

Mick180461 wrote:
Katto wrote:


Katto, don't know if it's my tablet or not but your team didn't come up all it's got is an empty space.


forum is acting strange lately :?

Katto wrote:Andy Flower
Barry Richards
Don Bradman
Younis Khan
GS Chappell
I Chappell
Gary Sobers
Jason Gillespie
Clarrie Grimmett
Joel Garner
Lance Gibbs

not quite as strong as NSW, but not bad
would bat for 4 days

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby raja » Sat Feb 04, 2017 2:11 pm

Khawaja in the all-time Queensland side?

Can't we do better? Bill Brown could open with Haydos. Would help with right-left combo too.

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby raja » Sat Feb 04, 2017 2:30 pm

I'd also pick Mitch Johnson over Craig McDermott.

An attack of Wes Hall, Lindwall, Thommo & Johnson would be quite something!
Johnson providing the left-arm variety.

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Postby Mick180461 » Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:37 pm

raja wrote:I'd also pick Mitch Johnson over Craig McDermott..


Forgot about Johnson originally comming from Qld, thats a hard one. Lindwall & Hall are certs, Johnson ,Thomson & McDermott to fill in the other 2 spots you could name any combination without any loss of class. And if you survive all them then you better also be able to play Swing as you then face Bothams deadly late outswingers.

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby Mick180461 » Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:42 pm

raja wrote:Khawaja in the all-time Queensland side?

Can't we do better? Bill Brown could open with Haydos. Would help with right-left combo too.


Sorry guys i did throw my Qld side together rather quickly and missed a couple of players, Brown in front of Khawaja definitely, Johnson being a leftie probably gets it over Billie.

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby Katto » Sun Feb 05, 2017 4:00 am

raja wrote:I'd also pick Mitch Johnson over Craig McDermott.

An attack of Wes Hall, Lindwall, Thommo & Johnson would be quite something!
Johnson providing the left-arm variety.


I'd pick Carl Rackemann over Craig McDermott

I'd pick Ryan Harris over both of them

he could also possibly replace Gillespie in my team

Andy Bichel was also a great first class performer.

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby Mick180461 » Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:36 am

Katto wrote:
raja wrote:I'd also pick Mitch Johnson over Craig McDermott.

I'd pick Carl Rackemann* over Craig McDermott

I'd pick Ryan Harris* over both of them

he could also possibly replace Gillespie in my team

Andy Bichel was also a great first class performer.


Too injury prone* for true greatness you need to have a proven ability to stay on the field. Bichel is not quite in the same league.

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby Tomstar123 » Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:39 pm

Imagine an All Time West Indies. Lara, Gayle and Richards. Best first 3 ever.

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby Boycs » Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:17 pm

But Lara didn't open neither did Richards and Gayle though a good test player when he wanted to be wouldn't even be in the best test XI West Indies side given who else they've had opening

Try getting names like worrell walcott headley sobers Richards Lara Lloyd Wes hall holding Roberts craft garner ambrose Marshall and Walsh in there. Oh and Ian bishop, Wayne daniel could carry the drinks

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby Boycs » Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:18 pm

Man the West Indies have produced some unbelievable players from those islands.

It's as statistically weird as New Zealand's small population producing rugby players that consistently smash the rest of the world.

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Re: All-time Barbados team

Postby Tomstar123 » Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:27 pm

Boycs wrote:But Lara didn't open neither did Richards and Gayle though a good test player when he wanted to be wouldn't even be in the best test XI West Indies side given who else they've had opening

Try getting names like worrell walcott headley sobers Richards Lara Lloyd Wes hall holding Roberts craft garner ambrose Marshall and Walsh in there. Oh and Ian bishop, Wayne daniel could carry the drinks

I would Include Gayle just for the bat shit crazy oxen worth of power that he is. Put Hunte at the #2. Then Lara and Richards afterwards.