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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby SuperGLS » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:52 pm

In the end, I think Rahane won this match for India. It was a special innings. Had he not resisted and India had a score 50 runs less, it would have been totally different. I think Ishant will be the mommy and Rahane overlooked, but that was the innings that won the match for me.
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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby vandy » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:53 pm

Katto wrote:Congratulations India

ha! my boy Ishant gets it done. I always knew he could.
so many doubters here


Yep happy to admit I was one of them. :P

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Babaganoush » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:53 pm

raja wrote:Ishant Sharma's name comes up on the Lord's board.


He joins the other Legend Agarkar :D

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Ankur » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:53 pm

SuperGLS wrote:In the end, I think Rahane won this match for India. It was a special innings. Had he not resisted and India had a score 50 runs less, it would have been totally different. I think Ishant will be the mommy and Rahane overlooked, but that was the innings that won the match for me.



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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Going South » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:56 pm

Bhuvi showed awesome all rounder performance. It's a team effort !!!

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby vandy » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:56 pm

Where's RAJA :lmao:

Thanks for those :rj: worked a treat. :bow: :bow: :bow:

And don't forget to CONGRATULATE THE WINNERS AND THEIR FANS. :thanx:
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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Babaganoush » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:57 pm

How funny was the Moen wicket lol, just saw it on replay :) :lol:

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Babaganoush » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:58 pm

Raja and Bharat were working overtime in the reverse jinx factory.

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby afghankhan » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:59 pm

Congrats to Indian fans here. India played really well and finally Ishant justify his selection.
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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Kingsholmmad » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:01 pm

Right. That's it. Enough, already. I'm just gonna crawl into a dark corner and spend the rest of the day sobbing.

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Katto » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:02 pm

he should just play test cricket

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby GiantScrub » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:02 pm

Ishant is still terrible. England is just worse :( All those dismissals were to terrible short balls that should have been put away. If BD played this bad, the "ban them from Tests" brigade would be pretty loud right now.

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Babaganoush » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:04 pm

Good to see Boony, in a suit.

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby vandy » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:04 pm

Fox Sports the broadcasters here in oz must be really pissed with the Indian victory they are not even showing the match presentations, talk about

ASSHOLES !!!! producer is probably a POM. ;)

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby SuperGLS » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:07 pm

The stupid ESPN stream cuts off too as soon as the "match" ends. I miss my WTV coverage that would go into the presentations (and show content during breaks.)
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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Babaganoush » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:07 pm

Wacth the ESPN3 stream instead. Foxtel sukks.

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Going South » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:08 pm

I agree. Some of those wickets are gifted to Ishant. It's not so great bowling but closed eye wayward bouncers that unskilled English batsmen were clueless on how to play short balls in a test match. How about ducking? Who is English batting coach? ECB might want his head on a platter. Felt sorry for cook who has to see this harakiri from balcony first hand wincing though had dark shades & a livid root next to him cursing these idiots

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Babaganoush » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:08 pm

Jeez such terrible negative spin on the victory from Atherton.

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Kingsholmmad » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:10 pm

Well, after those first two results, all I can think is just sacrifice the rest of the series for the sake of rebuilding: drop Cook (I hate saying it but I think it's gotta be done), Bell and Prior; get Jordan, Buttler/Read and an opener from somewhere; give Root the captaincy (and shedloads of support) for the next three tests and find out whether youth can do what experience currently can't.
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2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Going South » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:11 pm

Sour grape loser Artherton!!! Oh. It sure might have hurt for this loss. Lol. Bitches would be bitchy. What's new?

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby vandy » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:12 pm

raja wrote:England all set to pull off a miraculous win here at Lord's.


That was the best one :rj: I reckon Raja's name should go up on the Board at Lords. :bow: :bow: :bow:

Re Atherton, Does that really surprise you Babaganoush, the man with the dirt in his pocket, :fucku: Atherton. :fucku:

Lets not forget the English have never been good losers. :P

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Kingsholmmad » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:21 pm

vandy wrote:
Lets not forget the English have never been good losers. :P


Oh be fair, we haven't had as much practice at it as most teams.
Still, looks like we'll make up for lost time this summer. :(

Meanwhile, Cook has at least stood up and given a captain's speech and I'm inclined to agree with him: dropping a captain mid-series is not a good way to strengthen a side.
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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Going South » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:23 pm

Excuses. Excuses. ROFL. IF anyone it should be Indians who can complain on not having practice. Huh!

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Ankur » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:26 pm

GiantScrub wrote:Ishant is still terrible. England is just worse :( All those dismissals were to terrible short balls that should have been put away. If BD played this bad, the "ban them from Tests" brigade would be pretty loud right now.



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But you need to know what will work against an opposition. Looking at MJ's success, it seems a lot of unneccessary hair bowling short to them goes it for them.

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby vandy » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:30 pm

Kingsholmmad wrote:
Oh be fair, we haven't had as much practice at it as most teams.
Still, looks like we'll make up for lost time this summer. :(

Meanwhile, Cook has at least stood up and given a captain's speech and I'm inclined to agree with him: dropping a captain mid-series is not a good way to strengthen a side.


English got plenty of practice here in Aust not long ago.

Did Cook really try to save his arse by saying that during his speech, WOW what a CRAWLER, he should be replaced just for saying that.

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby SuperGLS » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:31 pm

Well, at least I have the rest of the day to relax or perhaps get some errands completed.

I'm confident that this series will be tied come the Oval which is the only thing that matters.
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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby VijayArumugam » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:34 pm

vandy wrote:Fox Sports the broadcasters here in oz must be really pissed with the Indian victory they are not even showing the match presentations, talk about

ASSHOLES !!!! producer is probably a POM. ;)

Kingsholmmad if you come across any english commentators in that dark corner give them a tissue for me, fukn sooks. :P


Let's put some context over here.


Cricket is a minority sport in Australia, with people watching it only during summer and during the Ashes.

The Sri Lankan tour of England wasn't even shown on Fox. Then, it led to a series of phone calls, twitter noises and emails before Fox decided to broadcast this series from England.

They don't get any of the over breaks filled up with any ads and they don't make any money out of it.

It's hard for Fox to telecast cricket in this country and hope to make money out of it.

Still, they could have shown the presentation, without taking us back to the 2013 Border-Gavaskar series.

I watched the presentation on Star Sports online.

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby raja » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:35 pm

Minhaz Merchant ‏@minhazmerchant 3m
Ironic that India's 2 wins at Lord's have been pre-Sachin (1986) & post-Sachin (2014)

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby raja » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:36 pm

It's great to see an Indian win carved out by guys like Vijay, Rahane, Bhuvi, Jadeja and Ishant instead of Kohli, Pujara and Dhoni.

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby vandy » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:38 pm

GiantScrub wrote:Ishant is still terrible. England is just worse :( All those dismissals were to terrible short balls that should have been put away. If BD played this bad, the "ban them from Tests" brigade would be pretty loud right now.


For a start what about giving India some credit when credit is due, you sound like a chip of Atherton's block. :P

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby vandy » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:40 pm

afghankhan wrote:Congrats to Indian fans here. India played really well and finally Ishant justify his selection.


See Raja if afgankhan can do it so can you or are you related to Atherton. :P

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby vandy » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:44 pm

VijayArumugam wrote:
They don't get any of the over breaks filled up with any ads and they don't make any money out of it.

It's hard for Fox to telecast cricket in this country and hope to make money out of it.

Still, they could have shown the presentation, without taking us back to the 2013 Border-Gavaskar series.

I watched the presentation on Star Sports online.


Not sure which Fox Sports chanell you watched on Vijay, but the one I was watching had ads on it between overs.

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby VijayArumugam » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:48 pm

Where does this win compare to the previous ones achieved on the English soil?

1971 Oval:

This has to be a special win for India, coming on the heels of the famous win at the Queen's Park Oval in the Caribbean. This helped India to break the test duck in the UK.

1986 Lord's

This win was achieved against an English side in disarray. Even New Zealand had won the series in the prior series in England. Still, India had to win over there, given the fact that they couldn't finish off a poor Australia at the MCG in 1985-86.

1986 Headingley

Roger Binny and Dilip Vengsarkar were the heroes as India ran riot and won its first series win over in England.

2002 Headingley

This is easily the most important test win for India in the post-2000 era. This game had political, commercial and cricketing significance. There was almost a player mutiny and the Indian captain handled the things very well. It's a template for good captaincy, courageous batting and so many other things, that India had sorely lacked before and since then.


2007 Trent Bridge

Unfortunately, this win doesn't get the credit it deserves. Yes, India had the better of the conditions and Zaheer and Rudra Pratap Singh showed their mastery, with a very good hand from the experienced Sachin Tendulkar.

2014 Lord's

If 2002 Headingley was our most significant for Indian cricket, 2014 Lord's is the most significant for Mahi Dhoni. This could define his captaincy. I've never seen Dhoni show so much enthusiasm on the field for a test. This is a young side and this could be a beginning of something very special.

Ajinkya Rahane's first-day innings could be historically as signficant as Rahul Dravid's 148 at Headingely in 2002.

My ratings:

1971 Oval
2002 Headingley
2014 Lord's
1986 Lord's
1986 Headingely
2007 Trent Bridge

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby VijayArumugam » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:50 pm

vandy wrote:
VijayArumugam wrote:
They don't get any of the over breaks filled up with any ads and they don't make any money out of it.



Not sure which Fox Sports chanell you watched on Vijay, but the one I was watching had ads on it between overs.


Most of the times, they play some promotions for their own programmes. Some of them had ads filled up; but mostly, it's not a sustainable model for them.

I don't think Fox has a different telecast to Sydney and Perth.

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby MrLeech » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:55 pm

Listening to what Geoffrey Boycott said to Jonathan Agnew i couldn't agree more!!
Alistair and the powers that be are determined to be seen as correct in not stepping down as captain, to do so would lose face and more than likely see the return of Kevin Pietersen in an England shirt again. Alistair is only going to get worse (if possible) and will get more and more grief coming his way. He'll need 100 sticks of dynamite to get him dislodged from the captaincy or a very very brave selector.... neither of which seem forthcoming.

England Cricket side except the younger/newer players are a disgrace and a mere shadow of their former selves and should make way for the players who have something to offer!

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby VijayArumugam » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:58 pm

Mahendra Singh Dhoni used the word, "Cribbing" during the interview with Mike Atherton. I don't think Athers would have understood it.

PS: For those who don't know, "Cribbing" is an Indian equivalent of "Whining" or "Whinging".

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby raja » Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:05 pm

vandy wrote:
afghankhan wrote:Congrats to Indian fans here. India played really well and finally Ishant justify his selection.


See Raja if afgankhan can do it so can you or are you related to Atherton. :P



Haha.

Of course I am thrilled.

I worked so hard here in CF for this win. :grin:

I might not enjoy BCCI's win in shorter formats but in Test cricket, I always support them. If they win, there will hopefully be more interest in Test cricket. :grin:

And then, against England? Any reason why I would NOT support ANY team beating England? :grin:

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby raja » Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:11 pm

Ok, I didn't formally put in a congratulations post here. I think that is what Vandy was referring to. :grin:

So here it is.

Hearty congratulations to Team BCCI and all fans of Indian cricket on this most satisfying win at, of all grounds, the Lord's cricket ground.

A fantastic performance, especially after losing the toss.

Savour this win, enjoy the moment. :grin:

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby raja » Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:13 pm

Was fun seeing Gower, Botham and Strauss discuss Cook's captaincy on Sky.

All these three had their share of captaincy woes. :-)

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby raja » Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:15 pm

Strauss was diplomatic but Botham tore into Cook's captaincy.
Nasser Hussain also was very critical of it, saying it is not like Cook is some tactical genius or something.
"If he doesn't captain in the next game, are we really going to miss his captaincy?"

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby MrLeech » Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:23 pm

Not suprised, Botham is only honest and genuine out of them lot, say it how ot is. Id have Cook batting at 4 and drop Prior and Stokes out, with Buttler batting at 7. Joe Root for captain

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby raja » Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:26 pm

Ishant : "When you play for your country, you don't need any more motivation". Well said!

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby afghankhan » Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:29 pm

vandy wrote:
afghankhan wrote:Congrats to Indian fans here. India played really well and finally Ishant justify his selection.


See Raja if afgankhan can do it so can you or are you related to Atherton. :P


What was that? I always congratulate when India win or any other team :)
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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby vandy » Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:36 pm

raja wrote:Ok, I didn't formally put in a congratulations post here. I think that is what Vandy was referring to. :grin:

So here it is.

Hearty congratulations to Team BCCI and all fans of Indian cricket on this most satisfying win at, of all grounds, the Lord's cricket ground.

A fantastic performance, especially after losing the toss.

Savour this win, enjoy the moment. :grin:


:bow: :clap; :jook:

What a shame Ganguly wasn't in the commentary box at the end, whould have loved to see him whip the shirt off and start swinging. :lol:

Can we get some smilie faces of English commentators please.They deserve to have their sore loser faces on Cricforum on occasions such as these. :moon:

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby vandy » Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:38 pm

afghankhan wrote:
vandy wrote:
See Raja if afgankhan can do it so can you or are you related to Atherton. :P


What was that? I always congratulate when India win or any other team :)


Yes I know afghankhan, I was using you as a good example to Raja, seemed to have worked. :mrgreen:

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby GpeL » Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:49 pm

I am sending a broken hair dryer and a scissor (only the half I have since it was broken and since used as a blunt knife) to ishant. I am hoping it will inspire him.

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby TedWard » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:08 pm

BREAKING: England's captain has quit - more to follow shortly.

Oh wait, thats the footballer Gerrard whos quit.

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby GpeL » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:09 pm

Cook got sooked it Made a good news item.

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Asim » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:23 pm

raja wrote:Strauss was diplomatic but Botham tore into Cook's captaincy.
Nasser Hussain also was very critical of it, saying it is not like Cook is some tactical genius or something.
"If he doesn't captain in the next game, are we really going to miss his captaincy?"



Thats the biggest issue with Cook, he is not tactically good as well, which is quite surprising for as Eng/Aus captain as most of them tend to be good readers of the game.
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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Asim » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:24 pm

VijayArumugam wrote:Where does this win compare to the previous ones achieved on the English soil?

1971 Oval:

This has to be a special win for India, coming on the heels of the famous win at the Queen's Park Oval in the Caribbean. This helped India to break the test duck in the UK.

1986 Lord's

This win was achieved against an English side in disarray. Even New Zealand had won the series in the prior series in England. Still, India had to win over there, given the fact that they couldn't finish off a poor Australia at the MCG in 1985-86.

1986 Headingley

Roger Binny and Dilip Vengsarkar were the heroes as India ran riot and won its first series win over in England.

2002 Headingley

This is easily the most important test win for India in the post-2000 era. This game had political, commercial and cricketing significance. There was almost a player mutiny and the Indian captain handled the things very well. It's a template for good captaincy, courageous batting and so many other things, that India had sorely lacked before and since then.


2007 Trent Bridge

Unfortunately, this win doesn't get the credit it deserves. Yes, India had the better of the conditions and Zaheer and Rudra Pratap Singh showed their mastery, with a very good hand from the experienced Sachin Tendulkar.

2014 Lord's

If 2002 Headingley was our most significant for Indian cricket, 2014 Lord's is the most significant for Mahi Dhoni. This could define his captaincy. I've never seen Dhoni show so much enthusiasm on the field for a test. This is a young side and this could be a beginning of something very special.

Ajinkya Rahane's first-day innings could be historically as signficant as Rahul Dravid's 148 at Headingely in 2002.

My ratings:

1971 Oval
2002 Headingley
2014 Lord's
1986 Lord's
1986 Headingely
2007 Trent Bridge


None of the wins in Aus under Ganguly and Kumble?
It is not often u com across a quality individual who lives n breathes loyalty 2 his country n teammates.His individual contribution has been outstanding despite continuing unwarranted n unfair criticism that he gets from both media n public–Dav on Misbah