2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Katto » Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:03 am

historic win by India
they really are on the up and up under Dhoni's guidance
there's no stopping them now

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Babaganoush » Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:40 am

Katto wrote:historic win by India
they really are on the up and up under Dhoni's guidance
there's no stopping them now


Lol from one extreme to another. This was an anomaly, Sharma will go back to being the enigma he is.

Only team on the up is Australia, South Africa always the same, Sri Lanka will start to decline soon.

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby vandy » Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:01 am

GiantScrub wrote:
I can't believe all these people suggesting BCCI played well, even by their own low overseas standards. They played much better against SA over Christmas, for example. They're getting away with mediocre bowling and batting because England are terrible.


Your'e sounding like any one of the English commentators that ran away crying from the commentary box when Joe Root's wicket fell,I reckon the expressions on their faces would have been priceless.the only two left was Warney & Dravid. :up:
I'm surprised Atherton was around for the after match presentations. :shock:

I can't remember the last time a team played so poorly and won so COMPREHENSIVELY. :lmao:

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Katto » Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:01 am

Babaganoush wrote:
Katto wrote:historic win by India
they really are on the up and up under Dhoni's guidance
there's no stopping them now


Lol from one extreme to another. This was an anomaly, Sharma will go back to being the enigma he is.

Only team on the up is Australia, South Africa always the same, Sri Lanka will start to decline soon.


Australia have many problems. batting is still and issue and we'll be without 2 of our best bowlers throughout the winter and perhaps the Indian series too

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Babaganoush » Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:09 am

Whos Injured?

btw it seems like ages since Australia played a test match, Mitchells prime years and months are getting wasted

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Katto » Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:11 am

Babaganoush wrote:Whos Injured?

btw it seems like ages since Australia played a test match, Mitchells prime years and months are getting wasted


Harris and Pattinson both out for months

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Cherry » Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:15 am

Can't believe that Ishant came to know about the advantage of his height only from Dhoni :lol:

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby GiantScrub » Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:39 am

vandy wrote:
GiantScrub wrote:
I can't remember the last time a team played so poorly and won so COMPREHENSIVELY. :lmao:


I can, SL vs. Pakistan at the beginning of the year. Pakistan failed to turn up, minus Shehzad, for five days straight, and Mathews gifted them a giant win by parking nine men on the boundary all of the final day. That was epicly horrible by both sides, this game was merely very bad.

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby raja » Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:08 am

vandy wrote:I ended up watching the after match presentations thanks to the link provided by Ted, thanks Ted.

I thought it was disgraceful of Atherton to single out Prior during the presentation. :slap:


I agree. I was shocked. Maybe that hastened Prior's decision to stay out of this series.

It was an unprofessional - and if I may say so, a very un-English - thing to do.

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby raja » Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:10 am

Cherry wrote:Can't believe that Ishant came to know about the advantage of his height only from Dhoni :lol:

Exactly. :grin:

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby raja » Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:28 am

I don't want to get into this 20% / 80% discussion but I'd like to make a case for Murali Vijay here.

I've been following cricket for 40 years and one of the MOST annoying things for me has been Indian batsmen throwing their wicket away to fast bowlers/medium-pacers by nicking to the slips/keeper. SO MANY of them have perished in this manner. Even guys like Vishwanath would do this. We saw this happen in the 2011 series even with Sachin. Sometimes yes, it's a quality delivery that almost forces you to play at it - but often it's not. It's just that momentary instinct to chase it.

Vijay has himself been guilty of this many times. And in this day and age (thanks to limited overs cricket), where the ball-count seems to psychologically matter a lot, it is even less common to see batsmen not chase everything they can.

When Vijay came in to bat second time around, BCCI faced a deficit, albeit small. England kept attacking that off-stump, packing their offside field, hoping he would bite.

It is to his great credit that he showed tremendous restraint and dug in. Yes, he had the odd streaky shot through the slips but overall he looked like a man who was keen on digging in and not throwing his wicket.

Whether this was on advice from Dhoni or just his own resolve, I was quite relieved to see it. I've seen too many second innings collapses from the BCCI top-order in such situations - and suddenly a game evenly poised, looks hopelessly lost. So while Dhawan and others went after the bowling, Vijay was content to just hold one end up and build an innings. It was traditional Test cricket in a sense - and an innings that Gavaskar would have been proud of.

I jinxed him. I was complimenting him on his skill in leaving the balls alone - and just that time he nicked one to the keeper. :(

He was furious, he knew that was unnecessary, esp so close to his hundred. And the job for the team not done yet.

But that's the life of a batsman - one mistake and you're gone.

For years, this Test match will be talked about by Indians - and the contributions of Ishant, Rahane, Bhuvi and Jadeja will be talked about. And they all deserve credit. Rahane's innings was key, with BCCI 145/7. Bhuvi's batting was gold both times round - and his bowling has been very reassuring. Jadeja gave BCCI the boost they desperately needed to make the target somewhat daunting for England, otherwise it looked very ordinary.

In all this, the person whose contribution is most likely to be forgotten is Vijay. After all, it wasn't a thrilling innings. But it was very valuable - that is why I am shouting out for him now.

I've criticised him many times in the past. And I will do so in the future too when he throws his wicket away. But for now, well done, my boy.

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby vandy » Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:52 am

GiantScrub wrote:
vandy wrote:


I can, SL vs. Pakistan at the beginning of the year. Pakistan failed to turn up, minus Shehzad, for five days straight, and Mathews gifted them a giant win by parking nine men on the boundary all of the final day. That was epicly horrible by both sides, this game was merely very bad.


Not too many, other than maybe a few English sore losers would suggest that India played poorly yet still won.

Give credit when credit is due.

Great Post Raja, agree with all of your comments. :up:

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Going South » Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:23 am

Cherry wrote:Can't believe that Ishant came to know about the advantage of his height only from Dhoni :lol:
reminds me of hanuman who got cursed to forget his own strength and needs someone to remind him constantly.

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Ankur » Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:48 am

For me the reason india won is because they did what they do best without worrying about anything else. England lost because they have a lot to worry about, cooks form, cooks captaincy, lack of spinner, prior etc.

If cook starts getting runs, buttler keeps well and England get into a strong position, all the pressure from various sources will be gone and they will regain the home advantage.

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby SuperGLS » Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:00 pm

My friend Swanny agrees with me about Rahane winning the match for India.

"Ajinkya Rahane was without a doubt the stand-out Indian player in the second Test," Swann said. "There is no way he could have ever batted on a wicket like this. He would have turned up on the first morning, and thought to himself 'How do you bat on a pitch like this?' And then he went on to get that beautiful hundred. That first innings was the difference in this Test.


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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Katto » Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:13 pm

i agree with that too

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby GpeL » Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:06 pm

Tell me if I am wrong.

GS is a closet England fan
(I will stick my neck out saying he loves cook)

Raja is a masochist.

Super is a lesbian

Verity is an electrician.

Bg is confused.


Results please?

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby GpeL » Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:07 pm

And cherry is err.. Cherry

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Kingsholmmad » Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:51 pm

GiantScrub wrote:The 20% skill is mostly Dhoni learning how to captain with limited resources. I find it impossible to give credit to Ishant, though Bhuvi deserves some props for bowling consistently and correctly, if unspectacularly, on a helpful day two pitch. Really, Ishant's wickets were BCCI assuming that England were so bad that they'd all get out hooking - and being entirely correct in that assumption.

Where's Piers Morgan - I'd back him to make a quick fifty against either of these two attacks right now.


Well if Bhuvi's day two bowling was "consistent and correct", in what way was Ishant's bowling inconsistent and incorrect? I'm betting he did what his captain told him to do and, what is more, he did it repeatedly and accurately. When bowling, you don't do what the text books or the fans say, you do what wins you the match. He did. How is that bad cricket?
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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Kingsholmmad » Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:59 pm

Ankur wrote:For me the reason india won is because they did what they do best without worrying about anything else. England lost because they have a lot to worry about, cooks form, cooks captaincy, lack of spinner, prior etc.

If cook starts getting runs, buttler keeps well and England get into a strong position, all the pressure from various sources will be gone and they will regain the home advantage.


Dead right; if we could have done what we do best with Cook / Bell's batting and/or Broad / Anderson's bowling and/or Prior's keeping, we would probably have won the match. Having none of those working meant we would probably struggled against the Zimbabwean 3rd XI.
Sometimes I wonder whether life is easier for other people ... or whether they're just better at faking it.

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby GiantScrub » Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:08 pm

vandy wrote:
GiantScrub wrote:
I can, SL vs. Pakistan at the beginning of the year. Pakistan failed to turn up, minus Shehzad, for five days straight, and Mathews gifted them a giant win by parking nine men on the boundary all of the final day. That was epicly horrible by both sides, this game was merely very bad.


Not too many, other than maybe a few English sore losers would suggest that India played poorly yet still won.

Give credit when credit is due.

Great Post Raja, agree with all of your comments. :up:


Credit? Sure. Rahane's innings was excellent, he played to his full potential. He very much deserves his name on the honours board. Vijay also batted well, got a bit lucky but we can live with that, and BCCI would have certainly lost if he hadn't played the innings that he did. Bhuvneshwar got a pitch tailor-made for him, as I posted before the test, and executed more than acceptably. I was honestly more impressed by his batting, and I hope he's now moved ahead of Shami for the next time they need to drop a seamer.

No credit to either Jadeja or Ishant. A good old eyes-closed slog aided by some friendly bowling isn't impressive from someone who's supposed to be good enough to bat 7, especially when his nonthreatening darts failed to do anything yet again. And I've made my views clear on Ishant already.

Honestly I'd be pretty unhappy for BCCI if the consensus was that they won because they played better than expectations as opposed to England being bad, because I know they are capable of much better cricket than they showed in general at Lord's.

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby GiantScrub » Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:11 pm

Kingsholmmad wrote:
GiantScrub wrote:The 20% skill is mostly Dhoni learning how to captain with limited resources. I find it impossible to give credit to Ishant, though Bhuvi deserves some props for bowling consistently and correctly, if unspectacularly, on a helpful day two pitch. Really, Ishant's wickets were BCCI assuming that England were so bad that they'd all get out hooking - and being entirely correct in that assumption.

Where's Piers Morgan - I'd back him to make a quick fifty against either of these two attacks right now.


Well if Bhuvi's day two bowling was "consistent and correct", in what way was Ishant's bowling inconsistent and incorrect? I'm betting he did what his captain told him to do and, what is more, he did it repeatedly and accurately. When bowling, you don't do what the text books or the fans say, you do what wins you the match. He did. How is that bad cricket?


Nah. He was asked to bowl bouncers, he got about 10% of them right and the rest were filthy long hops. Moeen got out to a decent bouncer and the rest took their eyes off the long hops. I mean, Root (I think? Might have been Prior) got out trying to hook a short ball a foot outside off. Who does that?

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Boycs » Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:13 pm

I would like a plate of filthy long hops for Cook next Test please, to order. And a bowl of misfields and dropped catches to assist him getting a huge score.

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby GpeL » Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:02 pm

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby vandy » Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:49 am

Jadeja's ineffective darts didn't produce too many wickets, but his 32 overs for 53 runs at an economy rate of 1.63 was pretty usefull, he picked up the first wkt and best of all the last, that run out was :hatsoff:

Lot of English ex captains sticking the knife into Cooky Monster, bunch of :wanker:

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby finger_power » Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:33 am

India should be careful. Indian media and supporters need to chill down.

India has taken a 1-0 lead before in West Indies 2002, Australia 2004, RSA 2006. But they lost 2 out of 3 series, and drew the other. All three series bring memories of some horrible and complacent cricket. In last series against England at home, they took a 1-0 lead, but lost it too.

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby GpeL » Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:54 am

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Cherry » Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:26 am

Striped Lungi wrote:And cherry is err.. Cherry



errr... what?

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby GpeL » Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:14 pm

He he was that difficult?

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Cherry » Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:52 am

Yes..something related to sex? all your posts are mostly closer to that.

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby GpeL » Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:51 am

Mostly?

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Re: 2nd Test: England v India at Lord's, July 17-21 2014

Postby Cherry » Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:30 am

apologies...always.