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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Going South » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:27 am

Whoa.
Raja sure hate asians !!!
In what way tamim & pujara lesser cricketers than adcock & houghton?
Is skin color that important for you raja?
Raja sure thinks like a racist who despise lighter skin Asian cricketers.
There is no rational thought or logic behind this on whatever way I try to understand but I see only pure hatred.
I am very disappointed.
A player need to be dead to get some respect here?

As a kid, Raga sure must be afraid of ghosts and don't want to say any bad words towards the dead in fear that they might scare the shit out of him in revenge. That must be it.

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby SuperGLS » Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:23 pm

Colin Blythe. Look him up.
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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Boycs » Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:19 pm

Verity wrote:
BoyCaught30 wrote:
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what


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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Boycs » Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:21 pm

Going South wrote:Whoa.
Raja sure hate asians !!!
In what way tamim & pujara lesser cricketers than adcock & houghton?
Is skin color that important for you raja?
Raja sure thinks like a racist who despise lighter skin Asian cricketers.
There is no rational thought or logic behind this on whatever way I try to understand but I see only pure hatred.
I am very disappointed.
A player need to be dead to get some respect here?

As a kid, Raga sure must be afraid of ghosts and don't want to say any bad words towards the dead in fear that they might scare the shit out of him in revenge. That must be it.


I had pujara in my sights as my number three until he was picked. And I rate Iqbal as bangladeshs best out and out batsman. Shakib is a top all rounder in any current team in my opinion. Those two and possibly this newer chap with the high average who bats in their middle order and BDs only good players, arguably

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Boycs » Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:23 pm

SuperGLS wrote:Colin Blythe. Look him up.


Don't need to, he took like 2500 wickets for Kent

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby raja » Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:32 pm

No, I don't hate Asians. Well, not all of them. Certainly not those who made their Test debut pre-1989. And I do like players from Bangladesh, Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

Tamim is a decent current player. But like all other current players picked and likely to get over 50 Tests, I'm going to discount his selection here for this reason alone, if nothing else.

It's not like I don't rate any living players and rate only dead ones. I do rate a lot of white living players. :-)

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Boycs » Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:24 pm

Who's go is it? I'm keen to make my picks!

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby afghankhan » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:55 pm

GS you turn.
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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Going South » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:02 pm

On it. All my short listed ones are already picked. Man this is tough work. Hang in there

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Going South » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:13 pm

Warren Bardsley
LEFT HANDED Opening batsman

Warren Bardsley, who died in Sydney on January 20, aged 71, was one the greatest left-handed batsmen produced by Australia. Only two of his countrymen, Sir Donald Bradman and AL Hassett [Also my pick :nana: ] , surpassed his record of 53 centuries -- 29 of them scored in England -- in first-class matches. As a stylist, Bardsley compared favorably with any left-hander of his day. His upright stance and eminently straight bat never failed to exercise a special charm upon spectators, and he used his feet to perfection while employing a wide variety of strokes.He was stronger in hitting past cover and to leg and he possessed a specially powerful straight drive.

In the 1908-09 season he scored in nine innings 748 runs, including 119 against South Australia, 192 against Victoria and, for the Australian XI against The Rest, 264. Despite these feats, he was not among the first men chosen to go to England in 1909, but on that tour he at once found his finest form and retained it. When hitting 136 and 130 from the England bowling at The Oval he became the first player of a list now grown to fourteen to hit two separate hundreds in a Test match.

Sir Jack Hobbs said of Bardsley: I cannot imagine a nicer type of fellow. I probably played against him as often as any Englishman and he was one of the best left-handers of the upright, classical school that I have ever seen.

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Going South » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:19 pm

My team so far.

1. Warren Bardsley [opener]
2. Tamim Iqbal [opener]
3. Lindsay Hassett [1 down batsman]
4. Maurice Leyland [2 down batsman]
5.
6. R Ashwin [all rounder....YES]
7. Kiran More(wicket keeper)
8. Saqlain Mushtaq [spinner]
9. John Snow [fast bowler]
10.
11.

Open for suggestions to change for batting order

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Boycs » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:22 pm

A fascinating pick. I shall read up on him.

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby afghankhan » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:27 pm

That's a good one GS. I had certainly him on my radar.

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Boycs » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:28 pm

1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th 11th
Raja Syd Barnes Victor Trumper Vijay Merchant Aubrey Faulkner Ryan Harris Ian Bishop Monty Noble 8 9 10 11
Ted Andy Roberts Stuart MacGill Les Ames (wk) Arthur Morris Mitchell Starc Colin Miller Keith Stackpole 8 9 10 11
Afghankhan Barry Richards Shoaib Akhtar Bill O'Reilly Mike Procter Ben Stokes Vijay Hazare Clem Hill 8 9 10 11
BoyCaught30 Glenn Turner Jim Laker Farokh Engineer (wk) Sid Barnes Fred Spofforth Fazal Mahmood Angus Fraser 8 9 10 11
Misty Everton Weekes Clarrie Grimmett Vinoo Mankad Saeed Ajmal Trevor Goddard Conrad Hunte Charlie Turner 8 9 10 11
Verity Clyde Walcott(wk) Steve Smith Hedley Verity Bill Ponsford Andrew Symonds Wesley Hall Charlie Griffith 8 9 10 11
Louie_db9 George Headley Vernon Philander Johnny Briggs Colin Croft Stan McCabe Bruce Mitchell Sarfraz Ahmed 8 9 10 11
GoingSouth R Ashwin John Snow Kiran More(wk) Saqlain Mushtaq Maurice Leyland Lindsay Hassett Tamim Iqbal Warren Bardsley 9 10 11
Super Graeme Pollock Alan Davidson Quinton de Kock(wk) Frank Tyson Bob Cowper Kagiso Rabada Cheteshwar Pujara Colin Blythe 9 10 11
Leo A D Nourse G A Lohmann Shane Bond Shakib Al Hasan Eddie Paynter BJ Watling (wk) Neil Adock David Houghton 9 10 11

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby louie_db9 » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:09 pm

Bill Woodfull - opening batsman.

2300 runs in 35 Tests at an average of 46 for Australia. Was also captain for 25 of his 35 Tests.

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Misty » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:50 pm

TedWard wrote:
1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th 11th
Raja Syd Barnes Victor Trumper Vijay Merchant Aubrey Faulkner Ryan Harris Ian Bishop Monty Noble 8 9 10 11
Ted Andy Roberts Stuart MacGill Les Ames (wk) Arthur Morris Mitchell Starc Colin Miller Keith Stackpole Brad Hodge 9 10 11
Afghankhan Barry Richards Shoaib Akhtar Bill O'Reilly Mike Procter Ben Stokes Vijay Hazare Clem Hill 8 9 10 11
BoyCaught30 Glenn Turner Jim Laker Farokh Engineer (wk) Sid Barnes Fred Spofforth Fazal Mahmood Angus Fraser 8 9 10 11
Misty Everton Weekes Clarrie Grimmett Vinoo Mankad Saeed Ajmal Trevor Goddard Conrad Hunte Charlie Turner john Waite Colin Bland 10 11
Verity Clyde Walcott(wk) Steve Smith Hedley Verity Bill Ponsford Andrew Symonds Wesley Hall Charlie Griffith Harold Larwood 9 10 11
Louie_db9 George Headley Vernon Philander Johnny Briggs Colin Croft Stan McCabe Bruce Mitchell Sarfaraz Ahmed Bill Woodfull 9 10 11
GoingSouth R Ashwin John Snow Kiran More(wk) Saqlain Mushtaq Maurice Leyland Lindsay Hassett Tamim Iqbal Warren Bardsley 9 10 11
Super Graeme Pollock Alan Davidson Quinton de Kock(wk) Frank Tyson Bob Cowper Kagiso Rabada Cheteshwar Pujara Colin Blythe 9 10 11
Leo A D Nourse G A Lohmann Shane Bond Shakib Al Hasan Eddie Paynter BJ Watling (wk) Neil Adcock David Houghton 9 10 11
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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Misty » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:51 pm

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby raja » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:41 am

Bardsley was a fine batsman - though I have a point to make about this pick, which I can't make now. Will make it later.

Woodfull too is a good pick.

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Misty » Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:33 am

1. -Hunte. (opener)
2. Goddard (Opener plus all rounder)
3. Waite ( Keeper, Batsmen)
4 -Weekes ( Top batsman)
5. C.Bland (World Famous Fielder)
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7. -Mankad ( All rounder(vinoo))
8. -Tate. (All rounder (fast bowler # 2)
9.- Ajmal ( spinner)
10.Turner ( fast bowler(Charlie))
11 Grimmet( spinner)

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Verity » Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:55 am

Harold Larwood

Scary Fast bowling attack, Jonathon Trott wouldn't walk out there, made a scapegoat for the bodyline series and got shafted.

Harold Larwood's life embodied drama and romance given to few cricketers. One of the rare fast bowlers in the game's long history to spread terror in opposition ranks by the mere mention of his name, he was, in turn, a young tearaway breaking free in the 1920s from a life in the Nottinghamshire coalmines; an English ogre and villain who bowled bumpers (as the bouncer was then called) at the heads and bodies of Australian batsmen; a `disgraced' hero banished to obscurity; and eventually a post-war migrant welcomed to Sydney in 1950 with his wife and family, the warmth of acceptance by those once so hostile to this aggressor proving both touching and slightly incomprehensible to him.


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Bill Ponsford - Opening Batsmen - Batting Avg 48.22
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Steven Smith - Batsmen - Batting Avg 60.12
Clyde Walcott - Batsmen - Batting Avg 56.68
Andrew Symonds - Allrounder - Batting Avg 40.61
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Harold Larwood - Fast Bowler - Bowling Avg 28.35
Hedley Verity - SLAO Bowler - Bowling Avg 24.37
Wes Hall (1) - Fast Bowler - Bowling Avg 26.38
Charlie Griffith (2) - Fast Bowler - Bowling Avg 28.52
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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Boycs » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:11 am

That is a very good attack. I forgot that Larwood hadn't been picked.

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Boycs » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:12 am

I think at the moment Symonds is your weakest selection, but more because your team is pretty good rather than any issue with Symonds.

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Boycs » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:13 am

1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th 11th
Raja Syd Barnes Victor Trumper Vijay Merchant Aubrey Faulkner Ryan Harris Ian Bishop Monty Noble 8 9 10 11
Ted Andy Roberts Stuart MacGill Les Ames (wk) Arthur Morris Mitchell Starc Colin Miller Keith Stackpole 8 9 10 11
Afghankhan Barry Richards Shoaib Akhtar Bill O'Reilly Mike Procter Ben Stokes Vijay Hazare Clem Hill 8 9 10 11
BoyCaught30 Glenn Turner Jim Laker Farokh Engineer (wk) Sid Barnes Fred Spofforth Fazal Mahmood Angus Fraser 8 9 10 11
Misty Everton Weekes Clarrie Grimmett Vinoo Mankad Saeed Ajmal Trevor Goddard Conrad Hunte Charlie Turner 8 9 10 11
Verity Clyde Walcott(wk) Steve Smith Hedley Verity Bill Ponsford Andrew Symonds Wesley Hall Charlie Griffith Harold Larwood 9 10 11
Louie_db9 George Headley Vernon Philander Johnny Briggs Colin Croft Stan McCabe Bruce Mitchell Sarfraz Ahmed Bill Woodfull 9 10 11
GoingSouth R Ashwin John Snow Kiran More(wk) Saqlain Mushtaq Maurice Leyland Lindsay Hassett Tamim Iqbal Warren Bardsley 9 10 11
Super Graeme Pollock Alan Davidson Quinton de Kock(wk) Frank Tyson Bob Cowper Kagiso Rabada Cheteshwar Pujara Colin Blythe 9 10 11
Leo A D Nourse G A Lohmann Shane Bond Shakib Al Hasan Eddie Paynter BJ Watling (wk) Neil Adock David Houghton 9 10 11


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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Misty » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:17 am

BoyCaught30 wrote:
1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th 11th
Raja Syd Barnes Victor Trumper Vijay Merchant Aubrey Faulkner Ryan Harris Ian Bishop Monty Noble 8 9 10 11
Ted Andy Roberts Stuart MacGill Les Ames (wk) Arthur Morris Mitchell Starc Colin Miller Keith Stackpole Brad Hodge 9 10 11
Afghankhan Barry Richards Shoaib Akhtar Bill O'Reilly Mike Procter Ben Stokes Vijay Hazare Clem Hill Kumar Ranjitsinghji 9 10 11
BoyCaught30 Glenn Turner Jim Laker Farokh Engineer (wk) Sid Barnes Fred Spofforth Fazal Mahmood Angus Fraser Murray Goodwin 9 10 11
Misty Everton Weekes Clarrie Grimmett Vinoo Mankad Saeed Ajmal Trevor Goddard Conrad Hunte Charlie Turner john Waite (wk) 9 10 11
Verity Clyde Walcott(wk) Steve Smith Hedley Verity Bill Ponsford Andrew Symonds Wesley Hall Charlie Griffith Harold Larwood 9 10 11
Louie_db9 George Headley Vernon Philander Johnny Briggs Colin Croft Stan McCabe Bruce Mitchell Sarfraz Ahmed Bill Woodfull 9 10 11
GoingSouth R Ashwin John Snow Kiran More(wk) Saqlain Mushtaq Maurice Leyland Lindsay Hassett Tamim Iqbal Warren Bardsley 9 10 11
Super Graeme Pollock Alan Davidson Quinton de Kock(wk) Frank Tyson Bob Cowper Kagiso Rabada Cheteshwar Pujara Colin Blythe 9 10 11
Leo A D Nourse G A Lohmann Shane Bond Shakib Al Hasan Eddie Paynter BJ Watling (wk) Neil Adock David Houghton 9 10 11


Misty, your go


John Waite is my Wicket keeper, who can bats higher position or lower down, not too many keeper with 50 test or less has batting average of 30 plus, 134 was his highest test score, he also hits 16 test Fifties, and 141 Dismissal as Keeper (2405 runs with 4 century too)

His FC record good with near 10000 runs and 509 dismissal including 84 stumping.
He represent southafrica in test cricket


Johnny Waite was something of a legend for over a decade of Springbok cricket during the 1950s and '60s, as he became the first man to represent his country in 50 Tests - and the only one to do so in the pre-isolation era. First selected in 1951 as a 21-year-old wicketkeeper-batsman, Waite showed he was no shrinking violet by joining his uncle, Eric Rowan, in a remarkable display of protest when both sat down on the pitch while batting against Lancashire after being slow-handclapped. Waite's pugnacity as a batsman, the strength of his character and his skill with the gloves meant that he displaced first-choice keeper Russell Endean and played in the first four Tests of the series. Waite was chosen as Endean's understudy once more for the 1952-53 tour of Australia, but again rose quickly to the top forcing Endean to reinvent himself, successfully, as a specialist batsman. Most of Waite's long list of national records have now been surpassed by Dave Richardson and Mark Boucher, although he still holds, with Boucher, the record for the most dismissals in a five-Test series - 26.
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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Verity » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:17 am

BoyCaught30 wrote:I think at the moment Symonds is your weakest selection, but more because your team is pretty good rather than any issue with Symonds.


Symonds is there as a X factor, dangerous batsmen on his day and can give the bowlers a spell and excellent fieldsmen.
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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Verity » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:19 am

Misty decided to be a tool and just update the table with his selection. BoyCaughts go.
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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Misty » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:29 am

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Boycs » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:39 am

My choice for number four in my batting order may have been ineligible for this draft but for a twist of fate that led to him being born in a nation for which Test cricket is as rare as emeralds. But 19 caps for Zimbabwe gave us a glimpse of a skillful middle-order player who took 166 from a Pakistan attack of Waqar Younis, Shoaib Akhtar and Saqlain Mushataq, after coming in at 15/2; 148 off Gough, Caddick and Flintoff at Trent Bridge coming in when the score was 1/1; and 113 off of Walsh and Ambrose after coming in when the score was 5/1.

Were it not for problems living in Zimbabwe for his family that in the end took him to reside in Australia, he may have played many more matches and been able to show off his ability. But two of his three hundreds were scored away from home, all of them came after wickets were lost with the score still in single figures, and he averaged 41 outside home conditions in an era rife with deadly pace bowlers. He's a middle order man for a crisis, and one who can play away from home: he scored 14,572 runs for Sussex at 49.22 with 48 hundreds, and another 4,308 for Western Australia including a double hundred.

With 19 Tests, 1,414 runs at 42.84, three hundreds and eight fifties a best of 166*, my number four is Murray Goodwin

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1. Glenn Turner
2. Sid Barnes
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4. Murray Goodwin
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6. Farokh Engineer (wk)
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8. Jim Laker
9. Fazal Mahmood
10. Angus Fraser
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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Boycs » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:40 am

1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th 11th
Raja Syd Barnes Victor Trumper Vijay Merchant Aubrey Faulkner Ryan Harris Ian Bishop Monty Noble 8 9 10 11
Ted Andy Roberts Stuart MacGill Les Ames (wk) Arthur Morris Mitchell Starc Colin Miller Keith Stackpole 8 9 10 11
Afghankhan Barry Richards Shoaib Akhtar Bill O'Reilly Mike Procter Ben Stokes Vijay Hazare Clem Hill 8 9 10 11
BoyCaught30 Glenn Turner Jim Laker Farokh Engineer (wk) Sid Barnes Fred Spofforth Fazal Mahmood Angus Fraser Murray Goodwin 9 10 11
Misty Everton Weekes Clarrie Grimmett Vinoo Mankad Saeed Ajmal Trevor Goddard Conrad Hunte Charlie Turner John Waite 9 10 11
Verity Clyde Walcott(wk) Steve Smith Hedley Verity Bill Ponsford Andrew Symonds Wesley Hall Charlie Griffith Harold Larwood 9 10 11
Louie_db9 George Headley Vernon Philander Johnny Briggs Colin Croft Stan McCabe Bruce Mitchell Sarfraz Ahmed Bill Woodfull 9 10 11
GoingSouth R Ashwin John Snow Kiran More(wk) Saqlain Mushtaq Maurice Leyland Lindsay Hassett Tamim Iqbal Warren Bardsley 9 10 11
Super Graeme Pollock Alan Davidson Quinton de Kock(wk) Frank Tyson Bob Cowper Kagiso Rabada Cheteshwar Pujara Colin Blythe 9 10 11
Leo A D Nourse G A Lohmann Shane Bond Shakib Al Hasan Eddie Paynter BJ Watling (wk) Neil Adock David Houghton 9 10 11

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Boycs » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:45 am

Okay I've got all my current choices sorted so if I could just have three more goes in a row that would be great :P

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby raja » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:55 am

That is an impressive attack that Goodwin scored his runs against.
I have fond memories of his county exploits too.

I think he probably slipped under everyone's radar.

Very good pick, Boycs30.

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Boycs » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:35 am

Thanks mate!

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby raja » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:31 pm

BoyCaught30 wrote:Thanks mate!

As GS would say, Goodwin is not Asian, so he is automatically in my "approved" list. :-)

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2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Going South » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:43 pm

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BoyCaught30 wrote:Thanks mate!

As GS would say, Goodwin is not Asian, so he is automatically in my "approved" list. :-)

So true.
I might put a non cricketer with a white sounding name, pref Australian played 1910s, average stats, a story to go by on some English exploits on tour, boom and you would support in a blink of eye. Ha !

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Boycs » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:45 pm

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby raja » Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:05 pm

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raja wrote:As GS would say, Goodwin is not Asian, so he is automatically in my "approved" list. :-)

So true.
I might put a non cricketer with a white sounding name, pref Australian played 1910s, average stats, a story to go by on some English exploits on tour, boom and you would support in a blink of eye. Ha !


:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby afghankhan » Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:41 pm

A Pre WW great
Kumar Shri Ranjitsinhji

Ranji, an Indian prince, was probably one of the finest batsmen of all time, not only in terms of runs scored but also because he brought new strokes to the game. His keen eye, unorthodoxy and speed of reaction meant that introduced the late cut and leg glance, as well as the art of back-foot defence.
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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Going South » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:41 pm

A king? He selects himself to the team ! LOL.
Yes. It's a good pick esp these late rounds. :up:

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby raja » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:43 pm

Ah, a great!

Excellent pick, AK.

Ranji is also known to have looked down on Indians in his time, not being keen at all on India getting independence from the British. :-)

An Indian looking down on Indians - what's not to like! :-)

A fine, fine batsman, though.

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby afghankhan » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:55 pm

I didn't know that.

Surprised since the FC tournament Ranji trophy is named after him if I am not wrong? One would think such views could be unpopular.

He probably went with the mainstream popular views. I imagine he would not have been allowed to play for Eng or play FC cricket in Eng if he was pro independence. I don't even think the independence movement was at it's peak in his time, but I could be wrong..
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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Boycs » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:05 pm

afghankhan wrote:A Pre WW great
Kumar Shri Ranjitsinhji

Ranji, an Indian prince, was probably one of the finest batsmen of all time, not only in terms of runs scored but also because he brought new strokes to the game. His keen eye, unorthodoxy and speed of reaction meant that introduced the late cut and leg glance, as well as the art of back-foot defence.


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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby afghankhan » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:15 pm

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afghankhan wrote:A Pre WW great
Kumar Shri Ranjitsinhji

Ranji, an Indian prince, was probably one of the finest batsmen of all time, not only in terms of runs scored but also because he brought new strokes to the game. His keen eye, unorthodoxy and speed of reaction meant that introduced the late cut and leg glance, as well as the art of back-foot defence.


My number three!! Dammit


Hehe

You should have gone for Ranji this round instead of picking Murray Goodwin. You could have had both of them. Never heard of Goodwin and I think this is the first time he is selected in a draft, so doubt Raja or Ted would have picked him.

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Boycs » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:24 pm

lol you know historically that I suck at drafts.

I'm going to slot my all rounder next because I'm rapidly running out of ideas

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Going South » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:42 pm

No. There is no such player like Goodwin exists.
It's just Boycaught30's prank on raja.

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Misty » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:43 pm

You loose ranji, you should selects better average player first

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Boycs » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:02 pm

Misty wrote:You loose ranji, you should selects better average player first


I shall select whom I please.

How many tests did you play? I could select you

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2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby Going South » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:09 pm

Not going to work if you planning to get a favorable review. Picking 11 players of Gujarat origins might work.
Or simply pick 11 players with last name Patel.
Patel XI

ROFL

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby louie_db9 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:14 pm

BoyCaught30 wrote:
Misty wrote:You loose ranji, you should selects better average player first


I shall select whom I please.

How many tests did you play? I could select you


Damn! He was penciled in as my number 11

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby raja » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:44 pm

afghankhan wrote:I didn't know that.

Surprised since the FC tournament Ranji trophy is named after him if I am not wrong? One would think such views could be unpopular.

He probably went with the mainstream popular views. I imagine he would not have been allowed to play for Eng or play FC cricket in Eng if he was pro independence. I don't even think the independence movement was at it's peak in his time, but I could be wrong..


Oh, the independence movement was much later.

The thing is, Ranji was royalty - and though he got racist treatment in England at least initially (in fact he used the name "Smith" to cover his Indian origin), he did get educated there and spent many years there till he returned to India to take over as prince of Nawanagar. By the way, this is a complicated story - he was apparently not even the heir to the throne, but he played some tricks to get the throne.

(There's a very dark side to Ranji's character - I myself got to know it much later in my life when I read a book on him. For many, he's just a great cricketer - but he was even accused of assassination! Even how he financed his education in England is dubious.)

Anyway, coming back to the freedom movement. It gained momentum after 1915, when Gandhiji returned to India. By then Ranji's playing days were over and he was prince in India. As prince, he was close to the British Viceroy and other British high-ranking officials. He needed their support for his own good.

So he wasn't supportive at all of the freedom movement. That would have put his relations with the British at risk.

All in all, he seems to have been a shady character and quite an unscrupulous person.

But yes, he was a fine batsman - and when he died in 1933, a trophy was named to commemorate him. Those were still British Raj times - so it made sense. Had he opposed the British, it wouldn't have happened.

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Re: 2017 TEST DRAFT (50 cap limit)

Postby raja » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:47 pm

Going South wrote:No. There is no such player like Goodwin exists.
It's just Boycaught30's prank on raja.


Haha.

He was a fine player for Sussex. And oh, for Zimbabwe too.

But AK is right - Goodwin wasn't on my radar at all. And probably not on Ted's either.

So if Boycs30 had picked Ranji this round, he would have had a very good chance of picking Goodwin in his next round. :-)