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Re: Next No-1 in ICC Test Ranking

Postby Paddles » Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:17 am

Until there is an EPL type scoring over a three or 4 year award - #1 is just a form guide and weak bragging rights that players and fans care little about as against winning series and trophies.

Test cricket is not suited to tournament play - but a cycle league of even home and away would drastically change this. Only including the first 3 matches of scoring in an Ashes say would help with equal game points scorig. Won't happen - but if it did - and 3rd test dead rubbers mattered - the face of test cricket would change forever, including captaincy retirements. The EPL demonstrates fans will support a league competition with no knock outs. The time frame adds to the prestige and value of winning - like a world cup or olympic medal over a mere world championship or annual tournament.

Suddenly as any arsenal or chelsea fan sympathisises - a man city vs man united fixture is of grave importance and interest.

It can only add to global as against to partisan interest in cricket. Awarding the #1 sceptre every 4 years to Man United or Leicester being Australia, India, Safrica or England would be huge any ticker tape parade worthy.

Think smarter ICC. This is how test cricket, every series, retains relevance and attracts wider interest. And it will regularly go down to the final few games. And it will captivate.

If it was only limited to 8 team participating due to scheduling. So be it. Let Pakistan, NZ, SL, Zimbo, and Windies duke it out to relegation and guaranteed series for 4 years. I say this as a staunch NZ cricket fan. Those 4 years wouldn't mean no test cricket series - just les guaranteed matches vs Aus, Eng and India for 4 years. It doesnt end 5 test series - just makes the first 3 more pivotal. Any soccer fan, of which there are many, understands and will support their teas in leagues or cups. It works as a base model - a superbowl or world series is a bonus - not essential.

True fans will support the cycle start as they do football - if NZ does a Leicester City - there will be bandwagon support in that country. Regular fan support is only increased like world cups. If someone does a Lloyd windies or Waugh aus demo job in 3 years out of 4 - so be it. People didn't stop supporting and watching man u vs man city just cos Chelsea already had won the league. Heck - pay the teams and players bonùses based on team performance and participation each round.
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Re: Next No-1 in ICC Test Ranking

Postby Paddles » Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:43 am

Soccer, like test cricket, throws up so many draws thatcit is suited to league play. I like World Cup soccer, but sympathise to teams losing on a penalty shoot out. Which is worse than having a t20 playoff after a drawn test match to determine the winner. Like EPL - point scoring could further reward wins as against draws to encourage more exciting cricket and pose real headaches for 3rd test captains of a 4 or 5 match series. Making more global test cricket captivating.
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Re: Next No-1 in ICC Test Ranking

Postby Paddles » Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:51 am

Paddles wrote:Until there is an EPL type scoring over a three or 4 year award - #1 is just a form guide and weak bragging rights that players and fans care little about as against winning series and trophies.

Test cricket is not suited to tournament play - but a cycle league of even home and away would drastically change this. Only including the first 3 matches of scoring in an Ashes say would help with equal game points scorig. Won't happen - but if it did - and 3rd test dead rubbers mattered - the face of test cricket would change forever, including captaincy retirements. The EPL demonstrates fans will support a league competition with no knock outs. The time frame adds to the prestige and value of winning - like a world cup or olympic medal over a mere world championship or annual tournament.

Suddenly as any arsenal or chelsea fan sympathisises - a man city vs man united fixture is of grave importance and interest.

It can only add to global as against to partisan interest in cricket. Awarding the #1 sceptre every 4 years to Man United or Leicester being Australia, India, Safrica or England would be huge any ticker tape parade worthy.

Think smarter ICC. This is how test cricket, every series, retains relevance and attracts wider interest. And it will regularly go down to the final few games. And it will captivate.

If it was only limited to 8 team participating due to scheduling. So be it. Let Pakistan, NZ, SL, Zimbo, Bangas and Windies duke it out to relegation and guaranteed series for 4 years. I say this as a staunch NZ cricket fan. Those 4 years wouldn't mean no test cricket series - just les guaranteed matches vs Aus, Eng and India for 4 years. Heck - if Bangas made the 8 - a reasonable prospect - it means more cricket for them. It doesnt end 5 test series - just makes the first 3 more pivotal. Any soccer fan, of which there are many, understands and will support their teas in leagues or cups. It works as a base model - a superbowl or world series is a bonus - not essential.

True fans will support the cycle start as they do football - if NZ does a Leicester City - there will be bandwagon support in that country. Regular fan support is only increased like world cups. If someone does a Lloyd windies or Waugh aus demo job in 3 years out of 4 - so be it. People didn't stop supporting and watching man u vs man city just cos Chelsea already had won the league. Heck - pay the teams and players bonùses based on team performance and participation each round.
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Re: Next No-1 in ICC Test Ranking

Postby Paddles » Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:52 am

Read above
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Re: Next No-1 in ICC Test Ranking

Postby Paddles » Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:50 am

Could care less NZ being #1 in t20, my thoughts on t20 not withstanding. Trophies awarding a champion for a time period mean more. Ask a tennis player what means more - winning a grand slam event or being #1 at some point.
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Re: Next No-1 in ICC Test Ranking

Postby squarecut » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:16 pm

Ranking of teams in cricket is done on the basis of performance over three years period. Details have been discussed in this forum itself. So why try to reinvent the wheel without first finding out how teams get their rankings.

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Re: Next No-1 in ICC Test Ranking

Postby squarecut » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:19 pm

It was discussed in this thread itself along with link. Here it is again.

squarecut wrote:The ranking points are calculated based on three years performance, where the current year's performance gets more weightage than the performances of previous years. It is the same for every team. BCCI happens to have the best score at present than others. They have 120 rating point/ match based on their performance over 35 test matches (some played at home, some played abroad). It is not that a single test series makes a huge difference in one's rating point. Australia come second who are way behind at 105 rating point (based on their performance over 40 test matches in three years). The gap is huge between number one and two, and one needs to win lots of matches to have such a commanding lead over the second placed team.

Victory over high ranking teams get more weigtage than win over low ranked team. One cannot become the top ranked team by only defeating lowly ranked teams. One needs to defeat high ranked teams to rise up in ranking.

Here is a link http://icc-live.s3.amazonaws.com/cms/media/about_docs/536b1a832b48f-Reliance%20ICC%20Test%20Team%20Rankings%20FAQs%202014.pdf to explain how rankings are calculated.

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Re: Next No-1 in ICC Test Ranking

Postby Paddles » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:05 pm

squarecut wrote:Ranking of teams in cricket is done on the basis of performance over three years period. Details have been discussed in this forum itself. So why try to reinvent the wheel without first finding out how teams get their rankings.


Actually - I just read the icc are largely adopting my suggested solution but on a 2 year cycle (so not home and away combined - booo!) and for 9 teams (yay!)

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci-icc/cont ... 81518.html

It was time to reinvent the wheel - and the icc reasoning is identical to mine in places. The only issue I have is that a 2 year system is too short to permit necesary return series. A nation with easy tours away and strong tours at home is seriously advantaged. Imagine touring England, Ind, SA and Aus - which NZ has done in last 2 years with only Australis playing the return tour thus far.

I foresee many grizzles about the 2 year qualification period. Anyone touring India in that time is not going to be content. Also unequal matches is further fuel for ill content. So good that icc is thinking - shame they're neing myopic.
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Re: Next No-1 in ICC Test Ranking

Postby Mick180461 » Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:36 am

Mick180461 wrote:Australia will be no1 after they beat India 4-0.

I am an eternal optimist but i have seen stranger things in Sport.


Just a reminder of what i said 3 weeks ago.

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Re: Next No-1 in ICC Test Ranking

Postby Leo » Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:25 am

^^ Good Luck :)
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Re: Next No-1 in ICC Test Ranking

Postby raja » Wed Mar 08, 2017 3:41 am

Will still be BCCI for some time. :(

What needs to happen for BCCI to be dethroned?

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Re: Next No-1 in ICC Test Ranking

Postby Paddles » Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:58 am

raja wrote:Will still be BCCI for some time. :(

What needs to happen for BCCI to be dethroned?


Uhmm, the whole world knows the answer to this, including the BCCI. India away tours.

India has just played 13 home tests in a row this home season.

2018 will challenge India more. Away tours to Safrica, England and Australia while home tours to West Indies and Sri Lanka. India will win at home, but on the road?
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Re: Next No-1 in ICC Test Ranking

Postby Katto » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:54 am

Mick180461 wrote:
Mick180461 wrote:Australia will be no1 after they beat India 4-0.

I am an eternal optimist but i have seen stranger things in Sport.


Just a reminder of what i said 3 weeks ago.


Just a reminder of what you said 3 months ago

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Re: Next No-1 in ICC Test Ranking

Postby Boycs » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:54 am

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Re: Next No-1 in ICC Test Ranking

Postby Mick180461 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:03 am

Katto wrote:
Mick180461 wrote:
Just a reminder of what i said 3 weeks ago.


Just a reminder of what you said 3 months ago

Australia will be the next no 1 after they beat England 5-0 for the 3rd time in 4 ashes series in Australia.

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Re: Next No-1 in ICC Test Ranking

Postby Katto » Sun Aug 06, 2017 2:14 pm

It looks like Australia's ranking will slip to 4th shortly
If they lose the test series in Bangladesh they'll slip to 6th, if they draw they'll slip to 5th

either way, the lowest for a very long time

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Re: Next No-1 in ICC Test Ranking

Postby Misty » Sun Aug 06, 2017 2:45 pm

Australia will beat BD in test series with their batting alone
19 Aug:3 Srilankan hits Century same day in Test @ Colombo, yet SL lost test by 16 runs vs Australia

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Re: Next No-1 in ICC Test Ranking

Postby Katto » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:01 pm

they've had poor preparation. BD are a lot better at home these days and Australia away are...well you know

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Re: Next No-1 in ICC Test Ranking

Postby Boycs » Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:35 pm

Can't quite believe Smith averages 60 in test cricket.

He might not hold it there I admit. Has he been minnow bashing?

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Re: Next No-1 in ICC Test Ranking

Postby Katto » Mon Aug 07, 2017 2:59 am

Boycs wrote:Can't quite believe Smith averages 60 in test cricket.

He might not hold it there I admit. Has he been minnow bashing?


he bashes everyone