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Postby raja » Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:12 am

1) Mark Taylor and Graeme Smith

-Both opening batsmen
- Both lefthanders
- Both had one HUGE series at the start of their careers
- Both of them had that HUGE series on their first England tour
- Both ended up with career averages short of 50, despite promising a lot early on
- Both had a horrible run at one point, when they were struggling to even get a 50
- Both were excellent close-in fielders
- Both have impressive records as captain
- Both retired from Test cricket relatively early (Smith was 33, Taylor was 35)
- Both were poor, running between the wickets? (just guessing :-))

Any other similarities.

Any other players you can think of, who could be paired as being similar?

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Re: Similar cricketers

Postby squarecut » Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:21 am

I thought that G R Vishwanath and Alvin Kalicharan were quite similar. Only dissimilarity was that one was a right hander and other a left hander, otherwise they seem quite similar to me.

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Re: Similar cricketers

Postby bolero » Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:55 am

Rahul Dravid & Pujara ?

Or is Pujara , the poor man's Dravid ? Both horrible in running between the wickets, run out candidates.

Both can bat at will and bore the opposition.

But Pujara has a long way to go before he can match Dravids record in all conditions. Pujara was a flop in RSA. Thats why Pujara is poor man's Dravid.

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Re: Similar cricketers

Postby bolero » Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:56 am

Pujara ran himself out on duck in the second test against RSA. That cost India the series.

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Re: Similar cricketers

Postby bolero » Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:06 pm

Pujara, India's run-out specialist

Cheteshwar Pujara has been part of six of India's last eight run-outs in Tests. A run-out in the West Indies cost him a place in the side, while two in the same Test, in Centurion, contributed to India's loss.

South Africa v India, Centurion, January 2018
Cheteshwar Pujara run out for 19
Pujara became the first batsman to be run out twice in a Test since December 2000. In a tough chase of 287, he had managed to survive 47 balls and, with three top-order wickets already lost, was crucial to India having any chance of reaching the target. His partner, Parthiv Patel, played the ball to third man, where Lungi Ngidi made a good sliding stop and parried the ball to AB de Villiers. Pujara, inexplicably given the match situation, went for a third run, and despite a dive was found short.

South Africa v India, Centurion, January 2018
Cheteshwar Pujara run out for 0
Pujara denied himself the chance of batting on a dry pitch that may have suited his game by getting run-out first ball. He defended the ball firmly to mid-on and, perhaps in an attempt to show the "intent" his captain had encouraged from his players, set off for a single that was not there. Ngidi, on debut, picked up the ball and hit the stumps direct, leaving Pujara well out of his crease.

India v Australia, Dharamsala, March 2017
Pujara run out for 0
Pujara ended a prolific series with a duck, and it was poor running that did him in again. With India chasing 106 to win the Test and the Border-Gavaskar Trophy, he played the fifth ball he faced to point and set off for a quick single. But mid-way, he stuttered, giving Glenn Maxwell just enough time to nail the stumps at the non-strikers' end. India were left 46 for 2 and under a bit of pressure, but they won by eight wickets in the end.

West Indies v India at Kingston, July 2016
Pujara run out for 46
After toiling for 159 balls, Pujara missed out on a half-century because of a misjudged single. He tapped a delivery from Jason Holder to square leg and went for the run, but, despite a dive, was found short by Roston Chase's direct hit at the non-striker's end. India went on to score 500 in their first innings at a run-rate of less than three an over. After rain washed out the fourth day, the match was drawn. Pujara was dropped for the next Test, with India opting for Rohit Sharma in his place.

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Re: Similar cricketers

Postby raja » Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:27 pm

squarecut wrote:I thought that G R Vishwanath and Alvin Kalicharan were quite similar. Only dissimilarity was that one was a right hander and other a left hander, otherwise they seem quite similar to me.


Yes, I also felt some sort of similarity in their playing days.
- Both were very short
- Both very stylish & wristy players, a treat to watch
- Both batted mainly at no.4
- Both made a century in their debut test
- Both had a terrible run in their last few innings, which significantly deflated their Test average
- Both played exactly 40 Tests under their most prolific captain (Gavaskar & Lloyd - just discovered this stat now :grin: )

But of all the above, the first 3 points are what give the most sense of similarity.

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Re: Similar cricketers

Postby Boycs » Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:15 pm

I’ve often found Mark Waugh and Steve Waugh very similar physically....

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Re: Similar cricketers

Postby Going South » Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:18 pm

Boycs wrote:I’ve often found Mark Waugh and Steve Waugh very similar physically....

you think they were twins?

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Re: Similar cricketers

Postby Going South » Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:19 pm

bedi & harbhajan

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Re: Similar cricketers

Postby Boycs » Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:03 pm

Going South wrote:
Boycs wrote:I’ve often found Mark Waugh and Steve Waugh very similar physically....

you think they were twins?


Yeah it’s bloody creepy coincidence. Craig and Jamie Overton have the same thing.

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Re: Similar cricketers

Postby Boycs » Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:01 pm

I’m still waiting for a leftie of such graceful deft as Lara, I could watch him bat all day long.

And a full flow, in form Ian Bell. Of highlights of Michael Vaughan driving through cover or lifting it high over square in 2002/03.

Love the cover drive

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Re: Similar cricketers

Postby Boycs » Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:03 pm

But if we’re not talking styles but more career pathways then KP and Boycott? Both England’s best in their eras, both doggedly arrogant yet surprisingly vulnerable, both insecure, both had their careers shortened for England, both could have got to 10,000 test runs, both had fleeting short flirtations with the captaincy

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Re: Similar cricketers

Postby squarecut » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:07 am

raja wrote:
squarecut wrote:I thought that G R Vishwanath and Alvin Kalicharan were quite similar. Only dissimilarity was that one was a right hander and other a left hander, otherwise they seem quite similar to me.


Yes, I also felt some sort of similarity in their playing days.
- Both were very short
- Both very stylish & wristy players, a treat to watch
- Both batted mainly at no.4
- Both made a century in their debut test
- Both had a terrible run in their last few innings, which significantly deflated their Test average
- Both played exactly 40 Tests under their most prolific captain (Gavaskar & Lloyd - just discovered this stat now :grin: )

But of all the above, the first 3 points are what give the most sense of similarity.

Another similarity- Both had Hindi movies made on their names- Kalicharan (1974) and Vishwanath (1978). :grin:

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Re: Similar cricketers

Postby Katto » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:42 am

raja wrote:1) Mark Taylor and Graeme Smith

-Both opening batsmen
- Both lefthanders
- Both had one HUGE series at the start of their careers
- Both of them had that HUGE series on their first England tour
- Both ended up with career averages short of 50, despite promising a lot early on
- Both had a horrible run at one point, when they were struggling to even get a 50
- Both were excellent close-in fielders
- Both have impressive records as captain
- Both retired from Test cricket relatively early (Smith was 33, Taylor was 35)
- Both were poor, running between the wickets? (just guessing :-))

Any other similarities.

Any other players you can think of, who could be paired as being similar?


Mark Taylor is a lot smarter and was a better captain than Graeme Smith IMO

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Re: Similar cricketers

Postby raja » Sat Apr 07, 2018 4:23 am

squarecut wrote:
raja wrote:
Yes, I also felt some sort of similarity in their playing days.
- Both were very short
- Both very stylish & wristy players, a treat to watch
- Both batted mainly at no.4
- Both made a century in their debut test
- Both had a terrible run in their last few innings, which significantly deflated their Test average
- Both played exactly 40 Tests under their most prolific captain (Gavaskar & Lloyd - just discovered this stat now :grin: )

But of all the above, the first 3 points are what give the most sense of similarity.

Another similarity- Both had Hindi movies made on their names- Kalicharan (1974) and Vishwanath (1978). :grin:

Oh, yes, that's a big coincidence. I'm pretty sure the films were named as such only to cash in on the popularity of these two cricketers in India. :grin:
Kalicharan was 1976, btw.

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Re: Similar cricketers

Postby raja » Sat Apr 07, 2018 4:37 am

Katto wrote:
raja wrote:1) Mark Taylor and Graeme Smith

-Both opening batsmen
- Both lefthanders
- Both had one HUGE series at the start of their careers
- Both of them had that HUGE series on their first England tour
- Both ended up with career averages short of 50, despite promising a lot early on
- Both had a horrible run at one point, when they were struggling to even get a 50
- Both were excellent close-in fielders
- Both have impressive records as captain
- Both retired from Test cricket relatively early (Smith was 33, Taylor was 35)
- Both were poor, running between the wickets? (just guessing :-))

Any other similarities.

Any other players you can think of, who could be paired as being similar?


Mark Taylor is a lot smarter and was a better captain than Graeme Smith IMO


Yes, I think so too.

Btw, maybe we could add Andrew Strauss to this?

- lefthander
- opening batsman
- Fabulous start to his career, ended with career average that fell short of 50 (actually shocking that it is just 40)
- Had a horrible run at one point, struggling to get even a 50
- Excellent close-in fielder
- Impressive record as captain (Ashes-winning)
- Retired from Test cricket fairly early (was 35)

Yes, Strauss can be paired with Smith and Taylor. :-)

So many similarities. :-)

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Re: Similar cricketers

Postby raja » Sat Apr 07, 2018 4:44 am

Boycs wrote:But if we’re not talking styles but more career pathways then KP and Boycott? Both England’s best in their eras, both doggedly arrogant yet surprisingly vulnerable, both insecure, both had their careers shortened for England, both could have got to 10,000 test runs, both had fleeting short flirtations with the captaincy


Never thought of this, especially they seem so much like chalk-and-cheese otherwise :-), but now that you mention it, these similarities are not trivial.

Both of them took on the establishment - and paid for it.
Boycs didn't want to play under Denness, KP didn't want to play under Strauss/Cook.

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Re: Similar cricketers

Postby Katto » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:33 am

raja wrote:
Katto wrote:
Mark Taylor is a lot smarter and was a better captain than Graeme Smith IMO


Yes, I think so too.

Btw, maybe we could add Andrew Strauss to this?

- lefthander
- opening batsman
- Fabulous start to his career, ended with career average that fell short of 50 (actually shocking that it is just 40)
- Had a horrible run at one point, struggling to get even a 50
- Excellent close-in fielder
- Impressive record as captain (Ashes-winning)
- Retired from Test cricket fairly early (was 35)

Yes, Strauss can be paired with Smith and Taylor. :-)

So many similarities. :-)


now you're trolling

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Re: Similar cricketers

Postby Going South » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:47 am

sachin & sachin baby

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Re: Similar cricketers

Postby raja » Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:42 am

Katto wrote:
raja wrote:
Yes, I think so too.

Btw, maybe we could add Andrew Strauss to this?

- lefthander
- opening batsman
- Fabulous start to his career, ended with career average that fell short of 50 (actually shocking that it is just 40)
- Had a horrible run at one point, struggling to get even a 50
- Excellent close-in fielder
- Impressive record as captain (Ashes-winning)
- Retired from Test cricket fairly early (was 35)

Yes, Strauss can be paired with Smith and Taylor. :-)

So many similarities. :-)


now you're trolling


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Why? Strauss is a respectable figure.
Tubby and Smith would be happy, and proud, to be paired with him. :grin: