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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby Katto » Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:30 pm

Boycs wrote:Shame about root but I guess his lack of availability makes him a risky buy maybe?

What other English players were bought at the IPL cattle market?


or maybe he just isn't good at T20

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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby The Third Man » Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:21 pm

Boycs wrote:Shame about root but I guess his lack of availability makes him a risky buy maybe?

What other English players were bought at the IPL cattle market?


Stokes, Buttler (Rajasthan)
Woakes, Ali (RCB)
Roy (Delhi)

Does Jofra Archer count as English yet? He signed for Rajasthan.

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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby Boycs » Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:58 pm

Katto wrote:
Boycs wrote:Shame about root but I guess his lack of availability makes him a risky buy maybe?

What other English players were bought at the IPL cattle market?


or maybe he just isn't good at T20


What have smith and Williamson gone for? If hey have, that is.

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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby Paddles » Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:24 pm

Boycs wrote:
Katto wrote:
or maybe he just isn't good at T20


What have smith and Williamson gone for? If hey have, that is.


Smith is on huge money as a retained player. Smith gets 12 crore.

Williamson got 3 crore, so he is just middling
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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby Paddles » Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:38 pm

IPL Team rosters (so far)

Royal Challengers Bangalore: Virat Kohli, Sarfaraz Khan, AB de Villiers, Brendon McCullum, Chris Woakes, Colin de Grandhomme, Moeen Ali, Quinton de Kock, Umesh Yadav, Yuzvendra Chahal, Manan Vohra (UC), Kulwant Khejroliya (UC), Nandeep Saini


de Kock and ABDV - BMac may miss a few more games than he has of late as RCB like to increase import bowling strength after losses. Woakes, CDG and Ali bought - they were in the market for all rounders.

Kolkata Knight Riders: Andre Russell, Sunil Narine, Mitchell Starc, Chris Lynn, Dinesh Karthik, Robin Uthappa, Piyush Chawla, Kuldeep Yadav, Shubman Gill (UC), Ishank Jaggi (UC), Ntish Rana, Kamlesh Nagarkoti, Aniket Choudhary
Decent squad worth watching being built here

Chennai Super Kings: MS Dhoni, Suresh Raina, Ravindra Jadeja, Faf du Plessis, Harbhajan Singh, Dwayne Bravo, Shane Watson, Kedar Jadhav, Ambati Ryudu, Imran Tahir, Karn Sharma,
Bit light of fast bowlers at the moment.

Mumbai Indians: Rohit Sharma, Hardik Pandya, Krunal Pandya, Jasprit Bumrah, Kieron Pollard, Mustafizur Rahman, Pat Cummins, Surya Kumar (UC), Ishan Kishan
Bit light on batting at the moment, but some very useful to star T20 players here.

Sunrisers Hyderabad: David Warner, Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Shikhar Dhawan, Shakib Al Hasan, Kane Williamson, Manish Pandey, Carlos Brathwaite, Yusuf Pathan, Wriddhiman Saha, Rashid Khan, Ricky Bhui, Deepak Hooda, Siddarth Kaul, Syed Khaleel Ahmed, Basil Thampi, T Natarajan


I fear KW could miss a lot of games as SRH play Warner, Shakib, Carlos and Rashid Khan. Good thing KW bowls a bit of spin. Moody is assembling a fair squad again.

Delhi Daredevils: Shreyas Iyer, Rishabh Pant, Chris Morris, Glenn Maxwell, Gautam Gambhir, Jason Roy, Colin Munro, Mohammad Shami, Kagiso Rabada, Amit Mishra, Prithvi Shaw (UC), Harshal Patel (UC), Rahul Tewatia, Vijay Shankar, Avesh Khan


Gambhir with Maxwell, Roy and Munro.

Rajasthan Royals: Steve Smith, Ben Stokes, Ajinkya Rahane, Stuart Binny, Sanju Samson, Jos Buttler, Rahul Tripathi (UC), Jofra Archer (UC), D'Arcy Short (UC)
These guys may want to start buying more Indian talent soon.

Kings XI Punjab: Axar Patel, Ravi Ashwin, Yuvraj Singh, Karun Nair, KL Rahul, David Miller, Aaron Finch, Marcus Stoinis, Mayank Agarwal (UC), Ankit Singh Rajpoot,
Need some fast bowlers.
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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby squarecut » Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:41 am

Someone needs to tell Kings XI Punjab owners that they have not yet bought a single wicketkeeper. :)

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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby raja » Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:43 am

squarecut wrote:Someone needs to tell Kings XI Punjab owners that they have not yet bought a single wicketkeeper. :)

KL Rahul keeps wickets, no?
Though they might want to have a more regular keeper too.

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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby afghankhan » Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:03 am

Mujeeb ZAdraaaaan. Hope he can impress like Rashid.
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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby squarecut » Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:16 am

KKR spent so much buying 10 players at excessive prices that now they do not have enough money left to buy half decent players. They will end up with a very weak and unbalanced team.

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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby afghankhan » Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:00 am

Zahir Khan Pakteen also sold in IPL. Clearly teams are looking to find a Rashid Khan - Zahir is no where near Rashid. More an FC bowler imo
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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby raja » Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:02 am

What about Andrew Tye?
And that England T20 specialist bowler - I've forgotten his name. Played for RCB last year.

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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby afghankhan » Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:11 am

Hahaha Tymall Mills made fool of everyone last season and begged 12 crore. This season they revenged and he goes unsold.
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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby squarecut » Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:13 am

KKR will struggle to put up a balanced i on the field. They in fact will struggle to find a player of stature to captain them.

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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby afghankhan » Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:20 am

raja wrote:What about Andrew Tye?
And that England T20 specialist bowler - I've forgotten his name. Played for RCB last year.


Sold for 7.2 crore to King 11.

Worth every penny imo.
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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby raja » Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:55 am

afghankhan wrote:
raja wrote:What about Andrew Tye?
And that England T20 specialist bowler - I've forgotten his name. Played for RCB last year.


Sold for 7.2 crore to King 11.

Worth every penny imo.


Last year Tye was fantastic.
Am glad he's gone to Kings' XI and not Mumbai.

Mumbai already have the best squad - by a distance.
They might as well just give the trophy right now. :grin:

Evin Lewis, Pandya & Pandya, Kieron Pollard, Rohit Sharma, Pat Cummins, Ben Cutting, Mustafizur....
Do you see any weak link at all?

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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby raja » Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:02 am

afghankhan wrote:Hahaha Tymall Mills made fool of everyone last season and begged 12 crore. This season they revenged and he goes unsold.

The moment RCB picks a player, you should know he is cursed. :grin:
Even if a player is otherwise good, the moment he dons RCB colours, he's a goner. :-)

Look at Dinesh Karthik.
Has played for about 5 franchises so far.
Did well for 4 of them.
Guess the one franchise where he was a total waste? :grin:

Even Uthappa, after one decent season, was a total flop.
He then went to another franchise - and began flourishing. :-)

Is it the air of Bangalore? Is it THAT toxic? :-)

RCB picks up players, well past their prime.
Albie Morkel, Muralitharan, Vettori...

Or, if they do pick up a half-decent player, he ends up injured or not available.
Like KP.
Or last year, with Rahul, and (for a part) AB.

They almost always have THE worst local players - cos they've blown up all their money on marquee names.
So you end up with Appanna, Aravind types. :-)

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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby afghankhan » Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:15 am

raja wrote:
afghankhan wrote:
Sold for 7.2 crore to King 11.

Worth every penny imo.


Last year Tye was fantastic.
Am glad he's gone to Kings' XI and not Mumbai.

Mumbai already have the best squad - by a distance.
They might as well just give the trophy right now. :grin:

Evin Lewis, Pandya & Pandya, Kieron Pollard, Rohit Sharma, Pat Cummins, Ben Cutting, Mustafizur....
Do you see any weak link at all?


Ben Cutting is not that solid. Bits and pieces cricketer. Also doubts over the Fizz- Can he stay injury free? He was crap last season for SRH.

Overall they look a good team, but many other teams looks good too. If KKR stays injury free their first 11 is pretty good.

I think CSK has not done well. Gone with experienced players, but many well past their prime.
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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby afghankhan » Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:22 am

raja wrote:
afghankhan wrote:Hahaha Tymall Mills made fool of everyone last season and begged 12 crore. This season they revenged and he goes unsold.

The moment RCB picks a player, you should know he is cursed. :grin:
Even if a player is otherwise good, the moment he dons RCB colours, he's a goner. :-)

Look at Dinesh Karthik.
Has played for about 5 franchises so far.
Did well for 4 of them.
Guess the one franchise where he was a total waste? :grin:

Even Uthappa, after one decent season, was a total flop.
He then went to another franchise - and began flourishing. :-)

Is it the air of Bangalore? Is it THAT toxic? :-)

RCB picks up players, well past their prime.
Albie Morkel, Muralitharan, Vettori...

Or, if they do pick up a half-decent player, he ends up injured or not available.
Like KP.
Or last year, with Rahul, and (for a part) AB.

They almost always have THE worst local players - cos they've blown up all their money on marquee names.
So you end up with Appanna, Aravind types. :-)


RCB is a wonder. For 10 years they have lacked a good bowling attack. Always had the one or two bowlers that goes for 0/45 and ruins everything.

This year their bowling attack is the worst they ever had :grin:

What a shitty think thank.
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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby raja » Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:55 am

Mark Wood goes to CSK.

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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby Boycs » Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:34 am

Injury ridden over hyped player

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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby Going South » Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:39 am

Chennai Super Kings: Dhoni, Raina, Jadeja, Faf du Plessis, Harbhajan, Bravo, Watson, Jadhav, Rayudu, Tahir, Karn Sharma, Shardul Thakur, N Jagadeesan, Santner, Deepak Chahar, KM Asif, Kanishk Seth, Ngidi, Dhruv Shorey, M Vijay, Billings, Mark Wood, Kshitiz Sharma, Monu Kumar, Chaitanya Bishnoi

Delhi Daredevils: Iyer, Morris, Pant, Maxwell, Gambhir, Jason Roy, Monro, Shami, Rabada, Amit Mishra, Prithvi Shaw, Rahul Tewatia, Vijay Shankar, Harshal Patel, Avesh Khan, Shahbaz Nadeem, Christian, Jayant Yadav, Gurkeerat, Boult, Manjot Kalra, Abhishek Sharma, Sandeep Lamichhane, Naman Ojha, Sayan Ghosh

Mumbai Indians: Rohit Sharma, Bumrah, Hardik Pandya, Pollard, Mustafizur, Cummins, Suryakumar Yadav, Krunal Pandya, Ishan Kishan, Rahul Chahar, Evin Lewis, Saurabh Tiwary, Cutting, Sangwan, Duminy, Behrendoff, Tajinder Singh Dhillon, Sharad Lumba, Siddesh Lad, Tare, Mayank Markande, Akila Dhananjaya, Anukul Roy, Mohsin Khan, Nidheesh

Kolkata Knight Riders: Russell, Narine, Starc, Lynn, Dinesh Karthik, Uthappa, Johnson, Piyush Chawla, Kuldeep, Shubman Gill, Ishank Jaggi, Nagarkotti, Nitish Rana, Vinay Kumar, Apoorv Wankhade, Rinku Singh, Shivam Mavi, Cameron Delport, Javon Searles

Rajasthan Royals: Steve Smith, Stokes, Rahane, Binny, Samson, Buttler, Rahul Tripathi, Darcy Short, Jofra Archer, K Gowtham, Kulkarni, Unadkat, Ankit Sharma, Anureet Singh, Zahir Khan, Shreyas Gopal, Prashant Chopra, Midhun, Laughlin, Mahipal Lomror, Aryaman Birla, Jatin Saxena, Chameera

Kings XI Punjab: Axar Patel, Ashwin, Yuvraj, Karun Nair, KL Rahul, Gayle, Miller, Finch, Stoinis, Mayank Agarwal, Ankit Rajpoot, Manoj Tiwary, Mohit Sharma, Mujeeb Zadran, Sran, Tye, Akshdeep Nath, Dwarshuis, Pardeep Sahu, Mayank Dagar, Manzoor Dar

Sunrisers Hyderabad: Warner, Bhuvneshwar, Dhawan, Shakib, Williamson, Manish Pandey, Carlos Brathwaite, Yusuf Pathan, Wriddhiman Saha, Rashid Khan, Ricky Bhui, Hooda, Siddharth Kaul, T Natarajan, Nabi, Basil Thampi, Khaleel Ahmed, Sandeep Sharma, Sachin Baby, Chris Jordan, Stanlake, Tanmay Agarwal, Sreevats Goswami, Bipul Sharma, Mehedi Hasan

Royal Challengers Bangalore: Kohli, de Villiers, Sarfaraz Khan, McCullum, Woakes, de Greandhomme, Moeen Ali, de Kock, Umesh Yadav, Chahal, Vohra, Kulwant Khejroliya, Aniket Choudhary, Navdeep Saini, M Ashwin, Mandeep Singh, Washington Sundar, Pawan Nagi, Siraj, Coulter-Nile, Southee, Parthiv Patel, Aniruddha Joshi, Pavan Deshpande

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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby Going South » Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:39 am

who do you think has best team on PAPER ?

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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby squarecut » Sun Jan 28, 2018 1:10 pm

It is uncanny that the culture of these eight teams remains unchanged no matter who plays for them. It is quite an accurate reflection on the business acumen of the owners of the team. I am not surprised that RCB throws money on players who are total waste. That is quite a Mallya Like attribute. On the other hand, Mumbai Indians play with the efficiency of a well oli machinery run by people who know their jobs- which is natural seeing that the team is owned by Ambani.

Rajasthan Royals always get the best out of unknown/ unheard names and makes them stars.

It never surprises me when I find Delhi and Punjab ending up at the bottom of the table year after year. That is a reflection on their owners as well.

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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby Boycs » Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:01 pm

Gayle went late this time. Did he have a weak season last year?

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Postby Paddles » Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:47 pm

Boycs wrote:Gayle went late this time. Did he have a weak season last year?


Yes

And wasn't the best (dropped) the year before that too but came good in the finals
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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby Paddles » Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:48 pm

16 year old Afghan spinner Mujeeb Zadran went for $855,000 NZD to Kings XI Punjab. More than any Kiwi cricketer.

Is he over valued, or are NZ cricketers not getting fair value at the IPL?

I'm not surprised the Corey Anderson did not sell. Given his injuries and recent form, and that high reserve, I wouldn't have bought him neither.
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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby squarecut » Sun Jan 28, 2018 3:39 pm

I am happy for the two under 19 pacers Nagarkoti and Mavi. Both were snapped up by KKR for Rs 3.2 cr and 3 cr respectively.

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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby squarecut » Sun Jan 28, 2018 3:44 pm

One Nepalese teenager wrist spinner got bought by Delhi. But I doubt that he will get t play any matches.

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Postby Going South » Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:14 pm

i would like to see many south asian country representatives in IPL. Cricket in general would thrive when IPL teams encourage young talent anywhere in the world and drop millions on them for a month of work, yes it sure gives hope to many young napalease, afghans, lankans, bangladeshis to play & follow the game & this subcontinent population itself would spread the cricket gospel around the world. A “SECULAR” terrorist-free democratic pakistan without “islam first” attitude instead of “country first” would sure help india open up IPL for pakistan & i hope to see that day.

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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby afghankhan » Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:32 pm

Paddles wrote:16 year old Afghan spinner Mujeeb Zadran went for $855,000 NZD to Kings XI Punjab. More than any Kiwi cricketer.

Is he over valued, or are NZ cricketers not getting fair value at the IPL?

I'm not surprised the Corey Anderson did not sell. Given his injuries and recent form, and that high reserve, I wouldn't have bought him neither.


They are trying to strike gold because Rashid Khan was a success last season. Mujeeb Zadran has been hyped even more. I think he will do well initially because of his varieties. He is inspired by Narine and Ashwin.

They also bought another young Afghan spinner Zahir Khan. He averages 11.74 and has 31 wickets from 6 FC games and helped Afghanistan win the intercontinental cup, but he is a FC cricketer. Never been picked for limited overs cricket. Last I saw him against NZ in u.19 he was all over the place. Again trying to find Rashid. I hope they all do well. At least they will learn a lot. Especially Mujeeb who has idolised Ashwin gets to play in same team as him.
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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby Boycs » Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:44 pm

Who is?

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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby Paddles » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:00 pm

Tinsel wrote:
Tinsel wrote:He is too good


Mujeeb Zadran 10/2/24/4 On debut in Sharjah vs Ireland in international
Cricket, won him M.O.Match on debut,His contribution Noteworthy in U19
On -going WorldCup

He is talented off spinner, could be very handy in IPL


Oh look, he's the most talented 16 year old cricketer since Sachin Tendulkar.

But, he's unproven at the men's level bar those Ireland games, where his returns got progressively worse.

He certainly destroyed the NZ U-19 team.

Now I'm not saying that it is indicative that his career will be more Mendis like than say Shane Warne, but is he really worth the splash of cash that he was granted?
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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby Paddles » Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:31 pm

Tinsel wrote:Most un-capped gets goody,I never heard Rahul Tewatiya sort of name got 3 CRORE whose base price was even 20 Lakh

We will know his worth after the IPL but I think 3 big player of NZ sold out lot less Which was not fair

Your concern is Mujeeb Worth that much? Same about Shaw and Gill but lot less than Mujeeb
Couple of seasons ago, Pawan Negi too sold for 10 Crore for NOTHING PERFORMANCE


Oh I don't think it necessarily unfair what KW, Boult, Munro and BMac got. KW got far more than he has previously, and Munro sold at least and gets a significant cheque to bank. BMac isn't the same player he was in 2015 neither, but he went for more than what he'd earn as a 3 format captain of NZ for a year, so its still good money. Boult was okay was IPL, but nothing special at the death and not an allrounder. So his middling salary reflects his limitations as a player. Very good player that he is nevertheless.

My only observation is with their Australian counterparts, who seem to get disproportionately more, for having not done all that well in India of late themselves, worse than NZ in the ODI and T20's last year. I would like to see NZ players valued on a par where they deserve to be. It just seems NZ and its players continue to fly under the radar.

Lynn and Maxwell, (and I rate Lynn), did seem to take home disproportionately bigger cheques compared to what they've done in India of late.
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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby bolero » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:02 pm

I agree with Paddles here, but sometimes these auctions defy logic. For e.g. a player that I absolutely hate, malnourished Unadkat has gone for a record amount.

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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby Going South » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:07 pm

When some selectors go for bidding war, size of dick pushes ego to make pea brain decisions.

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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby squarecut » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:44 pm

Unadkat was man of the series in the T20 series against Sri Lanka. He also did well during the previous IPL. He is a left arm pacer, a rare commodity in India. All these factors pushed Unadkat's price.

Coming to Afghan players, I think Rashid Khan's success has encouraged people to go for other Afghan players. But they may not necessarily be as good as Rashid Khan. Under-19 level cricket is well below the standard of cricket played by senior international players. So the under -19 players of Afghanistan could well be found out among the big boys.

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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby raja » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:57 am

Some very good observations here.

Agree with squarecut that owners'/coaches' mindset is very well reflected in the players they pick.

RCB, as usual, casual - picking average players, who will get whipped by other sides. Frustrating to see them always depend on just 2-3 players (Kohli, ABDV, last year Gayle). What are the rest doing? Their bowling has always been pathetic - nothing changes this year. Chahal is the only hope. But what about 16 overs? Woakes, Aniket Chaudhary and co?

Mumbai, as usual, clinical. They've done their homework - retained the right players, knew it was better to get Krunal Pandya through RTM (hoping he wouldn't go for too much - he did, but they were clear they wanted him), bought today's red-hot batsman Evin Lewis for a reasonable price. Their only suspect player, I think, is Saurabh Tiwary - not sure why they bought him. Am tipping them to win the trophy.

Delhi also - same mindset that has ensured they've never won. Started off very well in the auction - and then, business as usual. :-)

Sunrisers - efficient. Tom Moody has a sharp brain in this respect. Buying Yousuf Pathan and Brathwaite - that should worry any side. Yousuf is a very underrated batsman - he often comes through when the team is in trouble. Sunrisers could get to the final, they have that type of team.

CSK - gone for many oldies, like Watson and Bhajji. Many are writing them off already - you don't expect Watson (or even Dhoni, tbh) to be the player he was 5 years ago. I wouldn't write them off yet - they have a knack of scraping through. I don't think they'll get to the final though - max semi-final.

RR - am not impressed, unless Stokes produces magic multiple times. He's capable of it. Smith is a liability. :-)

KKR - am not impressed, though I like Starc. He needs to be given more of a bat though - his batting shouldn't get wasted. Narine is in my T20 team, so I hope he does well - but he should've been found out by now, right?

Punjab - I actually like them but don't think they'll get to the semis. Maxi is one of my favourite Aussie cricketers - I'll be rooting for him (and Punjab) all the way.

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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby raja » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:02 am

Going South wrote:i would like to see many south asian country representatives in IPL. Cricket in general would thrive when IPL teams encourage young talent anywhere in the world and drop millions on them for a month of work, yes it sure gives hope to many young napalease, afghans, lankans, bangladeshis to play & follow the game.


Agree.

It's wonderful to have a Nepalese player in the IPL, I hope he gets to play a few games at least.

Maybe we should have a sort of Kolpak thing - where we don't count players of Nepal, Bhutan (or for that matter any non-Test playing country) as overseas players. That might trigger interest in that country to follow cricket, if only to watch their players' performance.

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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby bolero » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:11 am

I dont mind IPL encouraging Bangladeshis, Lankans, Nepalese and Afghans. They are friendly nations wrt India (or atleast profess to be) and dont spread terror.

I dont want IPL to be spending on Pakistanis. The players will earn money in India and badmouth India when returning to their country.

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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby Paddles » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:12 am

Raja and Bolero,

Read this.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/1 ... dope-trick

OPINION: What a glittering, all-singing, all-dancing rort. The IPL auction was like a fabulous murder mystery set in the world's biggest casino. Every team had an agenda and it wasn't one that involved two umpires and a ball.

Stuff had a live commentary going and most New Zealand sports fans were wringing their hands. These salt-of-the-earth people could not understand why Ish Sodhi, the world's top T20 bowler, was not attracting a bid. They could not understand why Martin Guptill was as popular as a six-month-old fish hidden behind the curtains. Follow the money.

Why oh who, wondered some, had Sandeep Lamichhane, a 17-year-old tweaker from Nepal, been picked ahead of Sodhi. One clever bloke picked it up. HEP. That's not some fancy form of hire purchase, but hydro electric power. The owners of Delhi Daredevils are GRM, who happen to be developing a couple of massive hydro electric plants in Nepal.

And when you have had a couple of petrol bombs chucked into your offices, it helps to get local opinion on your side. And so 'coach' Ricky Ponting bought Lanichhane, a player who wasn't even on the original auction list.

Delhi's CEO Hemant Dua said, "He had a great U-19 World Cup. We called him for a trial and we liked him. We went ahead and bought him. It's very heartening. What IPL has done for Afghanistan is create heroes. We're happy for Sandeep and Nepal."

You bet they are. And so the money-go-round kept on turning. Ed Hawkins, journalist and expert on gambling in cricket, tweeted; "And, Oh look! The old mob is back together at Chennai. Dhoni - Raina - Jadeja. I can probably guarantee right here, right now, we won't be backing them on the outright."

Yep, the old mob is back. Chennai were chucked out for two years for spot fixing. The owner's son-in-law was banned. The dodgy trio have been in trouble previously because Dhoni was a part owner of the management group that acted for all three players and so had a clear conflict of interests.

But this is India. You get the former head of the International Cricket Council to restructure the company that owns the team by re-issuing shares in a way that attracts yet more investigation. And there at the auction sits Stephen Fleming, with his huge watch and canary yellow jacket, looking like Mr Chuckles from the holiday camp, making sure the owner's boys are back in town.

Wherever you looked someone was doing a deal that had not very much to do with cricket. The Royals of Rajasthan are also back after a two-year ban. These are the TV men part owned by Manoj Badale of Emerging Media and Lachlan Murdoch, the executive chairman of 21st Century Fox.

You had to laugh when Rahul Dravid nobly stepped down as the mentor of Delhi because his involvement with the Indian nation set-up was perceived by some as a conflict of interest. Does Ponting not now have exactly the same conflict of interest. Almost everyone has a conflict of interest.

Fox Sports own Star who put the IPL on TV. It looks as if he and Badale may be looking at expanding their cricket market and playing games across continents. Is that why they splashed money on Steve Smith and Ben Stokes? Are they looking for marquee names?

And how empathetic are Murdoch's Royals with the Sunrisers Hyderabad. They are owned by Kalanathi Maran, an Indian TV mogul, who can control what gets through to the people at home. His team have two Afghans and two players from Bangladesh. Sounds like the expanding Asian market to me.

"The auction is a house of casino," said Ravi Ashwin, and the wheel keeps on turning. You didn't really think that Ross Taylor and Guptill were going to get picked. They have never been in the playground gang of Fleming, Daniel Vettori, the coach of Bangalore, and Brendon McCullum. And at times it was like pick-ups in the playground.

Vettori picked McCullum, of course he did, his price helpfully pushed up a by a counter-bid from his mate Ponting. McCullum and Vettori both still have an interest in a firm that is exporting quality New Zealand produce to India. That's a conflict of interests to me. To others it's just good business practice. And in India, almost anything goes.

King's XI Punjab are owned by a Bollywood actress and the Wadia Group, Mumbai are owned by Akash Ambani and Reliance Industries. Thirty years ago an Ambani was accused of attempting to murder a Wadia. Scary fixture, that one.

Bangalore's owner, the liquor baron Vijay Mallya, had to flee the country. A warrant was issued for his extradition back from Britain. So for now Diageo are in charge. I am not sure how Moeen Ali likes playing for a team that promotes alcohol, but I am sure that McCullum can help his team-mate can find a way through that moral maze.

Meanwhile, over at the Kolkata knight Riders, this is Bollywood, baby. They are owned by an actress and an actor and the Red Chillies Entertainment Group. They also have a stake in the Caribbean league with the Trinbago Knight Riders. Conflict of interest? Surely not, but it might help explain why three West Indians - Andre Russell, Sunil Narine and Javon Searless - form a large chunk of their eight overseas player allowance.

So don't worry Ross, Ish and Joe Root. It's almost a badge of honour not to be another winning chip on the table in Bangalore's Ritz-Carlton Hotel. It should worry us more as a country that a quarter of the coaches are Kiwis. Because whatever qualifications you need to be a coach in the IPL, they do not seem to involve coaching. It's better to be a name who is prepared to open doors for some of the richest men on the planet.
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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby Paddles » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:15 am

Now there are some obvious misses. Rashid Khan and Nabi's talents for instance.

And there are some sour grapes, Guptill just has not made many runs in India.

But thoughts?
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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby bolero » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:16 am

Nice perspective , Paddles. Swear I didnt know this.

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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby bolero » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:21 am

On Reason's article, would like to add that besides the business perspective (well explained), always suspected some of these CSK guys are well into match fixing.

The names are among 12 in a sealed envelope with Supreme Court of India. I strongly suspect Raina is one of them, but would not like to speculate further on Dhoni and Jadeja.

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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby bolero » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:30 am

Some of the decisions cant be explained by logic. I would rather take Cummins (as an owner) than Unadkat.

Similarly, I like Sodhi and Santner, but they may have been bypassed for non cricketing reasons.

And BMac has become a veteran yet commanding decent value.

It s a bit like lottery, there is definitely conflict of interest.

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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby bolero » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:41 am

On day of Player Auction, Bishan Singh Bedi terms IPL money-laundering platform

Kolkata: Former India captain Bishan Singh Bedi on Saturday questioned the source of big bucks being spent during the Indian Premier League auction and alleged that the tournament is a platform for "money laundering".

The former left-arm spinner could not have timed his attack on the league with millions spent on day one of the IPL-XI auctions in Bengaluru. "IPL is also responsible for bringing in somebody called Justice Lodha Commission. I have never known anything so cheap going so expensively. People have accused me that I am maligning IPL as I don't get anything out of it. I said see if you can rope me in, you can try.

"Can anyone justify one wicket's price at Rs one crore and Rs 97 lakh for one run. I am not against the money part of it as players deserve to get more money playing for the country than playing for a wretched club.

"But do we know where all this money is coming from and where it is going? If this is not money laundering I don't know what is," Bedi said on the concluding day of the Kolkata Literary Meet here.

"You find a person like Virat who has been retained by 17 crore... He deserves it. But in the same dressing room, there will be a youngster who will fetch Rs 10-15 lakh.

"Now he will try to catch up with Kohli. Now how does he do it? There are ways and means to do it and there is a platform which encourages you to do it which is match-fixing. IPL is an easy target," he said pointing out the spot-fixing scandal of 2013.

Bedi spoke highly of Nawab Pataudi and also named MS Dhoni as a gentleman on the field who "never swore". "My favourite cricketer was Pataudi. He was the greatest thing that has ever happened to Indian cricket. Besides Pataudi, the other gentleman was Dhoni who never swore on the cricket field."

"He (Pataudi) was my first captain and all credit to him as I learnt a lot from him. He was the first Indian captain to bring in a fair amount of Indianness in the dressing room. He always used to tell, we are not playing for Maharashtra or Delhi or Bengal. We are playing for India."

In the same vein, he also mentioned about Sourav Ganguly: "He is one of the finest Indian captains we have had and he was also responsible, in many ways, for the culture that prevails today."

"The golden period of Indian cricket was when Sourav Ganguly was captaining the side. He had at his disposal Sachin Tendulkar, Rahul Dravid and Laxman," he concluded.

https://www.deccanchronicle.com/sports/cricket/270118/indian-premier-league-2018-player-auction-ipl-money-laundering-bishan.html

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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby raja » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:48 am

Wow, that was some read, Paddles! Thanks.

Didn't know about the many conflicts of interest, the friendships (like the Vettori-BMac biz).

Naive folks like me think it's about the player - but when it's businessmen bidding, why would it not be about business first, cricket second?

After all, kings in the past too expanded their influence through marriage alliances, the prince or princess being just a pawn for the purpose.

So yes, if I'm thinking of expanding my business to new frontiers, I'd be happy to use IPL as a vehicle to do so. :-)

Poor Ross Taylor - no one is interested in expanding to New Zealand. And he isn't pally enough with Vettori or Fleming.

Not sure if all the world's a stage, like Shakespeare wrote, but IPL Auctions definitely seem to be a stage. :-)

On the Dhoni, Raina, Jadeja thing - it did strike me too. There's this cloud hanging over CSK (and Dhoni, Raina in particular) that the Indian media chooses to ignore.

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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby squarecut » Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:17 am

Bedi sounds like a sore loser, which he definitely is.

As for the article in the stuff.co.in link, it was an interesting read. I have no idea how much of it is true and how much is conjecture. In any case, if the owners of various teams want to pick players who may help their brand image, then I do not see it as a conflict of interest. For instance, if the owner of Delhi Devils gets a good press in Nepal by recruiting a Nepal player then what is wrong in it. It is called earning goodwill. In fact, I am surprised to know from the article that the owner of DD working on a project in Nepal is facing law and order problem. People of Nepal origin enjoy same rights in Indians as Indians themselves, except the right to vote. They do not even need Passport/ Visa to enter India and they can stay and work in India as long as they can. It is something that other neighbours of India can only dream of. Unfortunately Nepal is systematically being turned into a haven of anti India politicians by anti Indian forces.

If IPL can help earn goodwill with neighbouring countries, then indeed it should be used as well. I am sure presence of Bangladeshi players in IPL will earn goodwill from Bangladeshi fans towards those IPL teams, if not for India itself.

Pakistan's case is different. Pakistani rulers are not answerable to their people and so earning goodwill with Pakistani public will not result in any change in the attitude of Pakistani rulers towards India who will continue to export terrorism to India and other neighbouring countrires like Afghanistan and Iran. So, that way also I think IPL is playing a stellar role in sending the right message to that country.

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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby bolero » Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:25 am

Yup, Bedi does sometimes sound chuffed. The players of his generation never got the money.

But I am not sure all this big money does not lead a youngster the wrong away. If a player is grounded, they will stay that way.

If not, money can easily go to a youngster's head.

Its a matter of priorities in life.

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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby Going South » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:00 am

bedi is just a jealous old man who see all big money bags going around but he can’t touch a single penny. sour grapes indeed.

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Re: IPL 2018 Auction

Postby Paddles » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:30 am

I live in a country with with no so regular as to be expected free to air cricket content.

Any dollar these players get, is one less dollar the broadcaster or host board gets.

I am fine with that, as the broadcasters will ensure that they remain profitable when they bid for the tv content.

In fact, my biggest gripe with broadcasters, is those that bid and win for games that they don't end up broadcasting 'cos of production costs and the host boards sell it to them anyway. As that situation exists, let the players get paid.

If the players are taking higher bids than value, and then giving back to the coaches and staff who made those bids, that is commercial fraud on the parts of the coaches and staff. And the player is party to it. If proven, they will get their penalty. But innocent till proven guilty and it is up to the franchises or authorities to investigate.

In a salary cap environment, if a coach or staff do this, they are weakening their team, and putting their jobs and careers at risk for failed results anyway. They're well paid jobs, that is a lot to lose. Unless the companies owners and shareholders are party to it. Then its tax fraud, not money laundering, unless the company is not profitable If the company is non profitable, and there are non involved shareholders being defrauded, then its not money laundering, but fraud against a shareholder.

As salaries seemed determined by broadcast fees in a salary cap environment, to investigate money laundering, all forensic accountants have too look at is source of the funds beyond the broadcast fee. If there is tickets sold out in a fairly empty stadium, that is an issue, but not one necessarily involving the players.

A lot of franchises make a loss anyway, the owners wear this cost for status an IPL owner. Like USA franchise owners, they do it anyway as they bought themselves near royalty status.
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