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Postby bolero » Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:27 am

Bumrah, Thakur in contention for South Africa tour

India's squad for the Tests in South Africa will be announced on Monday with the three-member selection panel, led by MSK Prasad, set to meet captain Virat Kohli after play in Nagpur. They will also pick the squads for the remainder of the ongoing series against Sri Lanka, which includes the final Test in Delhi followed by three ODIs and three T20Is.

Evidently, the South Africa Test squad selection will be the main focus for the selectors. The first question will be on the squad strength: on their last overseas trip, to Sri Lanka, India went in with 16 members. The selectors are likely to prefer one more on the tour party to South Africa. Once that is sorted...

Who will be the fifth specialist fast bowler?

Mohammed Shami, Ishant Sharma, Umesh Yadav and Bhuvneshwar Kumar are automatic choices. Although Hardik Pandya will play the role of the fourth seamer in the XI, the team management will not want to overwork him. Importantly, back-up will be needed in case of injury.

Shardul Thakur, Navdeep Saini and Jasprit Bumrah are the contenders.

Pundits feel Bumrah deserves to be in the Test squad based on his form in limited-overs cricket. Furthermore, in 26 first-class matches, he has 89 wickets at an average of 25.33 and a strike-rate of 56.3. He has the nerve, the speed and the ability to swing the ball in and deliver yorkers. If picked, Bumrah will be an extremely brave selection. He hasn't played any first-class cricket since last year's Ranji semi-final - he picked up 6 for 29 - and has spent his free time after the New Zealand T20Is at NCA instead of playing for Gujarat.

Less left-field will be Saini, the Delhi fast bowler who has made himself a name for being able to run in all day and maintain the intensity in the evening sessions too. He has been consistent in his performances over the last two domestic seasons - overall he has 81 wickets at 23.88 - which earned him entry into the India A team. On a tour of South Africa recently, Saini claimed seven wickets in two matches at 27.85.

If there is going to be a fifth fast bowler, Thakur remains the frontrunner even though he reportedly picked a niggle on Saturday while playing for Mumbai against Tripura. He has been part of various India A squads and had gone to West Indies with the senior team in 2016. Although he is yet to make his Test debut, the stockily-built Thakur can generate decent pace and bounce off a robust run up to the crease. Testament to his experience and ability are the 188 wickets he has taken in first-class cricket at 27.89.

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Postby bolero » Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:28 am

Should Kuldeep Yadav be the third spinner?

If India pick a squad of 17, it opens the door for a third spinner, and if they want an aggressive option, then Kuldeep could come into play. He has just two Tests against his name, but that was enough for him to showcase his skills, his street-smartness and his dominance over the batsmen with his left-arm wristspin. A constant in the Test squad since his match-winning performance on debut last year, Kuldeep might have done enough not just to earn a ticket to South Africa but even put some pressure on the tried and tested spin duo of R Ashwin and Ravindra Jadeja.

Who will be the 17th member?

The selectors will probably want to have a specialist wicketkeeper-batsman as back-up for Wriddhiman Saha. Parthiv Patel seems to be a ready-made choice considering he can easily move up and down the order.


Will Virat Kohli play the Delhi Test?

There were reports that Kohli had asked for rest in December, which became all the more intense when the selectors announced the squad for only the first two Tests against Sri Lanka. In the meantime, Kohli has said in his press conferences that he needs rest even though Prasad said that Kohli was available for all three Tests. With India almost certain to go 1-0 up against Sri Lanka on Monday, the selectors will wait to hear from the captain if he wants to sit out of just the limited-overs leg or the final Test too.

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Postby bolero » Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:47 am

I like Shardul Thakur a lot. He will be in my test squad for sure. Bumrah should be reserved for ODIs, should not be taken for tests.

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Postby Boycs » Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:10 am

Ah raja will be looking forward to this as a testing overseas tour for the BCCI

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Postby Yorkshire » Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:24 pm

Indian team suppose to be declares for SOA tour today 7 pm IST

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Postby bolero » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:15 am

The selection has been deferred for a while.

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Postby Yorkshire » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:48 am

Yorkshire wrote:Indian team suppose to be declares for SOA tour today 7 pm IST

Kohli told Prasad '' not today, (Monday) but during or after Delhi test, Indian team for SA + team for t20i vs SL''

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Postby squarecut » Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:29 pm

Boycs wrote:Ah raja will be looking forward to this as a testing overseas tour for the BCCI

On the contrary, I am hopeful that this will be a memorable tour for BCCI.

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Postby raja » Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:17 am

Boycs wrote:Ah raja will be looking forward to this as a testing overseas tour for the BCCI

The overseas tour that really matters for me is the one of England.
That happens only next summer - by which time Anderson and Broad will not be the force they are today.

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Postby Boycs » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:05 am



Because of this?

God Mark Nicholas commentary - even his 'spontaneous' comments appear to be read from a pre-written crib sheet.

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Postby bolero » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:50 pm

India pacer Jasprit Bumrah has received his maiden Test call-up, while Parthiv Patel has been selected as the back-up wicketkeeper for the three-match Test series in South Africa. The MSK Prasad-led selection panel has persisted with the Test regulars for the 17-member squad, which includes seven batsmen, two wicketkeepers, along with the all-round option of Hardik Pandya.

Squad: Virat Kohli (c), Murali Vijay, Shikhar Dhawan, KL Rahul, Cheteshwar Pujara, Ajinkya Rahane (vc), Rohit Sharma, Hardik Pandya, Wriddhiman Saha (wk), R Ashwin, Ravindra Jadeja, Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Mohammed Shami, Ishant Sharma, Umesh Yadav, Parthiv Patel, Jasprit Bumrah

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Postby bolero » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:52 pm

I am happy with the inclusion of Pandya and Parthiv, disappointed that Kuldeep was dropped.

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Postby raja » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:19 pm

5 quicks in the squad - and that's not countig Pandya.
Makes sense for an SA tour - but I wonder who will sit out.

It's only a 3-Test tour (apart from the ODIs/T20s), so BCCI player averages will not get damaged too badly. :-)

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Postby bolero » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:33 am

raja wrote:5 quicks in the squad - and that's not countig Pandya.
Makes sense for an SA tour - but I wonder who will sit out.

It's only a 3-Test tour (apart from the ODIs/T20s), so BCCI player averages will not get damaged too badly. :-)


Raja, I feel Bumrah has been taken as cover in case one of the seamers get injured.

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Postby Katto » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:34 am

I think the bowling will be the difference here. South African quicks too good.
Rabada next up and coming South African star quick.

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Postby Boycs » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:42 am

Yes he does seem to have some moxy. Can India take pace bowling outside the subcontinent?

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Postby raja » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:54 am

Parthiv Patel is a gutsy player. He will probably do ok for 20-30 runs but I don't expect more than that from him.
To play him as a specialist batsman would be a waste of a batting spot.
And Saha is miles ahead of him as a keeper.

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Postby bolero » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:14 pm

I would have taken both Kuldeep and Chahal and made the radical move of dropping Jadeja, Ashwin 50-50. This is 'coz Ashwin and Jadeja do diddly squat on non responsive pitches.Wrist spinners can cause agony to Saffers. I would take Parthiv 'coz he is left handed, otherwise South African quicks have an easy line to bowl both ends.Parthiv is a gutsy batsman, plays the short ball well.Saha though is a better keeper as Raja mentioned, however he is right handed.

From the days of Cronje, South Africa have relied on studying videos of opposition closely and bowling to set, robotic plans.Anything out of the way and they are disrupted.

Indian quicks are meat and drink for Saffers who have grown up playing that kind of bowling.

It is the wrist spinners and chinamen like Kuldeep and Chahal who are the x factor, however they have not been picked in the squad.

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Postby bolero » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:17 pm

I am.mystified by the selection of Bumrah would have wanted him for ODIs.Shardul Thakur could have been.picked who is comfortable bowling long spells.

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Postby bolero » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:18 pm

Rabada who honed his skills in the IPL would be a handful on.home tracks.

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Postby bolero » Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:18 am

India’s ‘happy headache’ hurting Jasprit Bumrah’s chances

On a sunny afternoon at the MRF Pace Foundation in Chennai two years ago, Jasprit Bumrah sheepishly asked Glenn McGrath: “Can I be a good Test bowler?” The Australian immediately sensed what was stewing at the bottom of Bumrah’s mind: the short-form specialist stereotype that was being hastily spun around him. McGrath gave him a piece of advice that Bumrah still keeps close to heart. “Never form an image of yourself around what others think you are,” he told the young seamer.

To allay his nerves further, he threw a few examples of bowlers who excelled across formats. “Look at someone like Brett Lee and Mitchell Starc. They are fantastic bowlers in all formats. A good bowler, you should understand is a good bowler, whether it be T20, ODIs or T20Is. You are a good bowler,” he told Bumrah. McGrath himself embodies this well-worn cricketing truism.

A touch unburdened, Bumrah began shooting more questions. “Do you think I have any flaws in my bowling?” McGrath pointed out a couple of minor things with his release, and the non-bowling arm and asked him to work on it. The next time he watched Bumrah on TV, he had made those corrections, rather “adjustments”.

“The one thing that struck me was how he changes his lengths from ODIs to T20s. This is the hallmark of a good bowler, and I don’t see why he can’t play Tests in the future,” McGrath had said in an interview to The Indian Express before India’s tour to Sri Lanka earlier this year.

The evening ended with McGrath unearthing funny anecdotes of his playing days, on the traps he had for Sachin Tendulkar and how he would have bowled to some of the contemporary greats. Before winding up, Mcgrath shared another slice of advice he had given Bumrah. “I told him it’s about having a good game plan in the Test version, knowing where to bowl and building pressure around the batsmen. The more he plays, the more he will know,” said the fast-bowling legend.

Like McGrath, Bumrah has pestered Gujarat coach Vijay Patel, too. Patel would just tell him, “Jaa khud ko dikha, tu Test bowler hai yaa IPL bowler hai.” A fired-up Bumrah would storm into the nearest nets and begin converting the suppressed negative energy into furious spells. “It was the best way to motivate him. Just remind him of playing Test cricket for his country,” Patel says. There were occasions when even the seasoned Parthiv Patel would excuse himself to the adjacent nets so that he wouldn’t get hurt before a game.

Patel gets slightly irritated when people ask him whether or not Bumrah can become a competent Test bowler. He just tells them to check his first-class stats — 89 sticks at 25.33. To those that are still unconvinced, he asks them to watch him bowl in whites, “under the blazing Motera sun on paata wickets.” “You’ll see a different Bumrah,” he says.

Instructive, in this regard, is the way Bumrah bowls differently in different spells in the fifty-overs cricket. Early on, he sparingly uses the yorker; instead hammers away at the good-length area, looking for away-swing, while the stock ball comes back sharply into the batsman. In the middle-overs, he brings out his cutters and knuckle balls. At the death, he unleashes his yorkers and bouncers more often. “Look, he’s so flexible and knows how to bowl when,” says Patel.

Both Patel and Mcgrath are convinced that he would transition from white-ball cricket to white-cloth cricket in the foreseeable future. His coach at the Mumbai Indians, Ricky Ponting, shares the sentiment.

“If you look at the skills Bumrah has and the way he has come through over the last two years, then he is ready to play Test cricket. He’s got everything. He’s got an unusual action, got good pace and with the brand new ball can get some good movement in the air,” the former Australia skipper had said at the end of last IPL.

Now is the time?
If so, the pressing question is, when is the ripe opportunity to blood him in. Some feel why not now? The Delhi Test against Sri Lanka would have been the right time to test his mettle, especially with the way the tourists are folding up. It doesn’t seem to make much of a difference if it’s Umesh Yadav and Mohammed Shami bowling against them, or a rookie. They have conspired ways to self-destroy. So drafting him would kill two birds in one stone — give one the front-line bowler a respite and gauge the rookie’s potential. Even if you don’t pick him, he can be kept in the loop, in case someone got injured.

The counter-argument could be that you could look at the fast bowling firm of India and sigh that he would be redundant in South Africa. There’s Bhuvneshwar Kumar for swing, Umesh Yadav for pace, Ishant Sharma for bounce and Mohammed Shami, well for all of these plus reverse-seam. You could add the spunk of Hardik Pandya, and feel that accommodating Bumrah is probably tough.

But India have habitually packed their bus with a fifth specialist seamer, more of a back up in case one of the front-liners picked up an injury. In 2010-11, they took left-armer Jaydev Unadkat from obscurity, more as a back-up to Zaheer Khan, with just half-a-dozen first class games under his belt. He indeed got a game too, in the first Test at Centurion. He didn’t take a single wicket and was plundered for 101 runs, at 3.88 an over. Needless to say, he never played another Test.

What could go against Bumrah’s inclusion might have been that he hasn’t featured in a first-class game since he flit through Jharkhand in last year’s Ranji Trophy semifinal. But as his twitter page suggests, he’s fighting fit, has chiselled out a torso too and borrowed the swag-talk of his favourite footballer Zlatan Ibrahimovic: “Lions don’t train like humans.” And more importantly, a man cleared of his doubts. Certainly, Bumrah wouldn’t be a more imprudent choice than Unadkat. After all, he has passed other international exams with flying colours.

http://indianexpress.com/article/sports ... h-4959378/

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Postby bolero » Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:32 am

I cant say who would be in the starting XI from the bowling department. First time, I see competition for playing spots in the fast bowling dept.

Shami, Bhuvaneshwar Kumar, Umesh Yadav, Ishant Sharma, Bumrah, Hardik Pandya.

Ishant Sharma was bowling 140 kmph + consistently against Sri Lanka. I will not rule him out. If there is an out and out fast and bouncy track, India may play 3 frontline fast bowlers + Pandya, otherwise I dont see 4 quicks playing in each test.

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Postby Paddles » Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:54 am

Really? You think India will play 2 spinners? Or just 3 bowlers and a spinner with R Sharma batting (or another bat) instead of Pandya?
Law 31.6 - benefit of the doubt for an dismissal appeal goes to the batsman
A third umpire call for a run out or stumping is a referral, not a review.

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Postby bolero » Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:06 am

If Kuldeep and Chahal had been picked, I would have had India playing 2 spinners, they were my first choices for the tests. I doubt very much whether India play both Ashwin and Jadeja.

As you Paddles correctly assessed, Rahane's place is in jeopardy with R Sharma making a good comeback. Its really a toss up. However, all depends on the pitch.

If they are playing on a green top, India may go in with 3 fast bowlers + Pandya and Ashwin.

First choice for seamers - Shami, Kumar and Yadav - Ishant Sharma and Bumrah are backup, Pandya will play role of a fourth seamer which means Jadeja will be dropped.

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Postby squarecut » Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:56 am

I think Chahal should have been picked. South Africans are all at sea against wrist spinners, seeing how they fared against Shane Warne in the past.

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Postby Boycs » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:04 am

Ah but Warne did have a certain level of ability not found in just any wristy

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Postby bolero » Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:22 am

South Africa have struggled previously against Warne and Mishra, both leg spinners of the wrist spin variety . Chahal should have been picked, its a mistake not to pick him.

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Postby squarecut » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:01 pm

Chahal is special. He is underestimated because he gets to play domestic cricket against batsmen who are less troubled by him than International batsmen.

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Postby bolero » Mon Dec 25, 2017 4:09 am

Seamers Shardul Thakur and Mohammed Shami have been recalled to the Indian ODI squad that has been picked for the six-match ODI series in South Africa. Virat Kohli, who who was rested from the team's most recent limited-overs assignment, against Sri Lanka, returns as captain of the 17-member touring party.

Kedar Jadhav, who suffered a hamstring injury in early December and has not played any cricket since, has also been picked. Thakur too had a problem with his shoulder recently, leading to his missing Mumbai's Ranji Trophy quarter-final on December 7 and both players are expected to be on the park very soon to prove their match fitness. "Shardul will be playing shortly. In fact, he will be playing from the first of January," chairman of selectors MSK Prasad said. "Kedar will be playing the T20 matches shortly. Basing on the report we have got from the physio, we have taken this call [to include them in the ODI squad]."

India ODI squad
Virat Kohli (c), Rohit Sharma (vc), Shikhar Dhawan, Ajinkya Rahane, Shreyas Iyer, Manish Pandey, Kedar Jadhav, Dinesh Karthik, MS Dhoni (wk), Axar Patel, Yuzvendra Chahal, Kuldeep Yadav, Jasprit Bumrah, Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Hardik Pandya, Mohammed Shami, Shardul Thakur.

In: Virat Kohli, Kedar Jadhav, Mohammed Shami, Shardul Thakur

Out: Washington Sundar, Siddarth Kaul

The series begins with the first of six matches in Durban on February 1. Batsman KL Rahul and the senior spin pair of R Ashwin and Ravindra Jadeja continue to miss out after the selectors felt Yuzvendra Chahal, Kuldeep Yadav and Axar Patel deserved an extended run following their good performances in the last few months.

Prasad hastened to add it was not the end of the road for Ashwin and Jadeja, who last played an ODI in June-July. "We keep repeating this. We have been consistent with Chahal and Axar," he told reporters in Mumbai. "With every game game they have been improving a lot. They should be given an extended run since they are doing very well. It is a unanimous decision. When we picked these three boys, we wanted to increase the bench strength in the spin department. Today, we have five-six quality spinners that are aiming for these slots."

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Postby Yorkshire » Mon Dec 25, 2017 5:12 am

Kumble and others spanked badly in England in the past, Indian / Pakistani spinners did wonderful in NZ/ WI test matches but elsewhere they were Failure in overseas tests

Ashwin especially so far in his only test at Johannesburg
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All his 4 Test century came vs Feeble Westindies.

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Postby Boycs » Mon Dec 25, 2017 7:48 am

He’s not a batsman though

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Postby bolero » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:46 am

bolero wrote:I am happy with the inclusion of Pandya and Parthiv, disappointed that Kuldeep was dropped.


Happy Pandya justified faith. Parthiv should have been picked.

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Postby bolero » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:53 am

Katto wrote:I think the bowling will be the difference here. South African quicks too good.
Rabada next up and coming South African star quick.


SA bowling was one notch higher. But it was the terrible batting that stuffed team BCCI.

208 was chaseable if proper application showed. Margin of defeat less than 1st innings lead.

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Postby raja » Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:36 am

If your No.7 and No8 end up top-scorers in the two innings, it says a lot about the top-order performance.
Hopefully it was an aberration, and the batsmen will put up a much more solid performance in the next Test.
Kohli is nothing if not a fighter - he will surely have a word or two to say to his other batsmen.

This could also be a case of just not acclimatizing with SA conditions - a point that has been made here before.
Often BCCI has started poorly in a series for this one reason alone.
As the series has progressed it has done better.
Let's hope we see a much-improved performance in the next Test.

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Postby Aneesmoha » Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:48 am

Next Test is at Centurion. Not a spinners pitch at all. Quick, Good Bounce. Quickens up on Day 2. Flattens out Middle of day three. Day 5 it starts to have some variable bounce. But generally one of the more batsmen friendly pitches in the Country.

I reckon we are going to see a lot of runs from both teams and from session 2 on day 1 we will see the bowlers struggle.

Think Ashwin will be needed for his batting more than his bowling during this test. Does Ashwin struggle everywhere out of the sub continent or just South Africa?

Expect Morris to come in for Steyn. (I would pick him). Not the same class of bowler but adds to the batting. I do not think that 4 bowlers will be enough on the Centurion wicket.

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Postby bolero » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:11 am

I would like to see Parthiv come in for Saha. Rahul and Rahane coming in for Shikhar and Rohit Sharma respectively.

Now that mystery element of Bumrah is gone, will replace him with Ishant / Yadav. Ishant gets the bounce (because of height and is a threat with variable bounce), Yadav is a tireless workshorse who will give it his all in the third session when bowlers are flailing.

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Postby bolero » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:56 am

Most wickets

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Mohammed Shami - 15 wickets @ avg 17.06
Jasprit Bumrah - 14 wickets @ avg 25.21
Bhuvaneshwar Kumar - 10 wickets @ avg 20.30
Ishant Sharma - 8 wickets @ avg 18.75
R Ashwin - 7 wickets @ avg 30.71
Pandya - 3 wickets @ avg 54.00

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Postby Boycs » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:59 am

SA should be ashamed of allowing sharma wickets at that average

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Postby bolero » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:08 am

Batting - India

Virat Kohli - 286 runs @ avg 47.66
Bhuvaneshwar Kumar - 101 runs @ avg 33.66
Pandya - 119 runs @ avg 19.83
Vijay - 102 runs @ avg 17.00
Pujara - 100 runs @ avg 16.66
Ashwin - 90 runs @ avg 22.50
Rahane - 57 runs @ avg 28.50
Rohit Sharma - 78 runs @ avg 19.50
Mohd. Shami - 72 runs @ avg 14.40
Parthiv Patel - 56 runs @ avg 14.00
Shikhar Dhawan - 32 runs @ avg 16.00
KL Rahul - 30 runs @ avg 7.50

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Postby bolero » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:15 am

South Africa Bowling Stats

Vernon Philander - 15 wickets @ avg. 15.86
Kagiso Rabada - 15 wickets @ avg. 20.26
Morne Morkel - 13 wickets @ avg. 20.00
Lungi Ngidi - 9 wickets @ avg. 17.22
Phehlukwayo - 2 wickets @ avg. 20.00
Dale Steyn - 2 wickets @ avg. 25.50

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Postby bolero » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:23 am

South Africa top batting stats

AB De Villiers - 211 runs @ avg. 35.16
Dean Elgar - 207 runs @ avg. 41.40
Hashim Amla - 203 runs @ avg. 33.83
Faf Du Plessis - 183 runs @ avg. 30.50
Aiden Markram - 140 runs @ avg. 23.33
Philander - 94 runs @ avg. 15.66
Rabada - 76 runs @ avg. 12.66
Maharaj - 74 runs @ avg. 18.50
De Kock - 71 runs @ avg. 11.83

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Postby bolero » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:28 am

The Indian batting stats is so horrible save Kohli , they should be really ashamed of themselves.

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Postby bolero » Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:18 am

bolero wrote:I would have taken both Kuldeep and Chahal and made the radical move of dropping Jadeja, Ashwin 50-50. This is 'coz Ashwin and Jadeja do diddly squat on non responsive pitches.Wrist spinners can cause agony to Saffers. I would take Parthiv 'coz he is left handed, otherwise South African quicks have an easy line to bowl both ends.Parthiv is a gutsy batsman, plays the short ball well.Saha though is a better keeper as Raja mentioned, however he is right handed.

From the days of Cronje, South Africa have relied on studying videos of opposition closely and bowling to set, robotic plans.Anything out of the way and they are disrupted.

Indian quicks are meat and drink for Saffers who have grown up playing that kind of bowling.

It is the wrist spinners and chinamen like Kuldeep and Chahal who are the x factor, however they have not been picked in the squad.


The way SA played Kuldeep and Chahal in the first ODI would make Faf sweat.

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Postby Paddles » Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:26 am

Boycs wrote:SA should be ashamed of allowing sharma wickets at that average


Thats what they used to say about Stuart Broad.
Law 31.6 - benefit of the doubt for an dismissal appeal goes to the batsman
A third umpire call for a run out or stumping is a referral, not a review.

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Postby bolero » Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:56 am

Boycs wrote:SA should be ashamed of allowing sharma wickets at that average


To be fair, Sharma bowled well. He bowled well against SL too.

In the first test, India bowled too many boundary balls when SA were 12-3 to De Villiers and Faf. That released the pressure completely. Someone like Ishant could have helped holding one end as a stock bowler.

All that years of experience must have done something good to the giraffe after all.

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Postby Boycs » Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:46 am

Paddles wrote:
Boycs wrote:SA should be ashamed of allowing sharma wickets at that average


Thats what they used to say about Stuart Broad.


To be fair I probably said it too.

But Stuart Broad came good. Show me some sharma development

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Postby bolero » Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:01 pm

bolero wrote:
bolero wrote:I would have taken both Kuldeep and Chahal and made the radical move of dropping Jadeja, Ashwin 50-50. This is 'coz Ashwin and Jadeja do diddly squat on non responsive pitches.Wrist spinners can cause agony to Saffers. I would take Parthiv 'coz he is left handed, otherwise South African quicks have an easy line to bowl both ends.Parthiv is a gutsy batsman, plays the short ball well.Saha though is a better keeper as Raja mentioned, however he is right handed.

From the days of Cronje, South Africa have relied on studying videos of opposition closely and bowling to set, robotic plans.Anything out of the way and they are disrupted.

Indian quicks are meat and drink for Saffers who have grown up playing that kind of bowling.

It is the wrist spinners and chinamen like Kuldeep and Chahal who are the x factor, however they have not been picked in the squad.


The way SA played Kuldeep and Chahal in the first ODI would make Faf sweat.


Bump once again.I had predicted this even before the start of the test series.