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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:26 am
by Paddles
No Lynn, but Aussie has unveiled 4 quicks with Henriques, Head and Maxwel as 5th bowers.

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:05 pm
by Going South
Ahem. They seem no good considering what we saw today.

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:51 am
by baggygreenmania
Chris Lynn is king of the flat track show ponies. So to answer your question Boycs..yes he will have his share of failures. He will also win Australia plenty of games. I am baffled why he was left out of the Kiwi game. Make a bold statement first up. Zampa too can feel unlucky after having a terrific last ODI 12 months.

Josh Hazlewood after looking underdone coming into this tournament saved the Aussie bowling attack further embarrassment with a late flurry of wickets to stop the Black Caps exceeding 300. Williamson looked all class compiling his ton.

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 6:04 am
by Paddles
Pat Cummins was again treated by NZ top order with little respect whereas Starc was treated with more. Hazlewood however reminded NZ and the world of his excellent class.

Henriques and Head were fairly useful as well, with Maxwell not called upon. Australia are favouring their bowling by only batting to 7 before Hastings starts the tail at 8 (as a NZ fan I remember him stealing a match against us at Wellington with the bat but Australia could bat deeper with Stoinis in the side instead).

Finch looked woeful, and while I'm a big fan of Henriques, he's a rookie at this level. I would have Lynn over Finch, but I celebrate Australia trying something different with 4 ace bowlers, than 3 aces plus Henriques, Stoinis, Maxwell and Head to share 20.

Is it the smarter play? I don't know. Its not the safer play in modern all rounder dominated odi cricket, which would be Stoinis at 7 and Wade at 8, but it is bold and aggressive - and the bowlers incl James Pattinson are talented cricketers.

From a NZ perspective, if batting allrounders are not upto the bowling, like Jimmy Neesham, I question the value of their selection over a batting or bowling secialist. I'd never question the value of a great quick bowler. South Africa are preferring Morris and Pretorious over Morkel (and Parnell), which makes good sense to me until Phelekwayo plays ahead of Morkel (and Parnell), unless its it a quota issue.

Henriques seems a much superior bowler (and batter) than Neesham so it isn't as though Australia don't have all rounder options with Maxwell, Head and Stoinis in support.

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:40 am
by Misty

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 2:41 pm
by Paddles
Interestingly Safrica are playing Morris and Parnell with Morkel and no Pretorious.

Is Pretorious injured? Or they also going for an aggressive attack. Pretorious has a very impressive red ball history as well as his white bal achievements.

Parnell and Morris' batting abilities are still very good for 7 and 8, but Pretorious offers more than Parnell or Morkel with the bat.

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 7:46 am
by baggygreenmania
I would have Lynn for Warner not Finch. He has just come off a big warm up ton. Warner has been slowly going downhill in both formats over the past 12 months. It is his all too frequent power cameos that keeps him in this ODI squad in my view. I can not agree about Stoinis over Hastings. The big Duke is imo one of the best ever ODI bowlers. He was a bit underdone in the first game like most of the Aussie attack. Stoinis should be picked for his batting alone with his bowling a bonus. Moie is the only real all rounder in this squad so should keep his place.

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:03 am
by Paddles
baggygreenmania wrote:I would have Lynn for Warner not Finch. He has just come off a big warm up ton. Warner has been slowly going downhill in both formats over the past 12 months. It is his all too frequent power cameos that keeps him in this ODI squad in my view. I can not agree about Stoinis over Hastings. The big Duke is imo one of the best ever ODI bowlers. He was a bit underdone in the first game like most of the Aussie attack. Stoinis should be picked for his batting alone with his bowling a bonus. Moie is the only real all rounder in this squad so should keep his place.


Warner downhill in odi in past 12 months? I suggest you look at his past 12 months stats first BGM, you may be surprised at his recent odi form. He averaged over 78 for 2016/17 with 6 tonnes and is currently ranked #2, ahead of Kohli and only behind ABDV.

I don't rate Finch in odi. He's too block bash for my liking. And averaging 28 in 2016 and 22 in 2017 so far does little to dissuade me that his recent form requires me to reassess. He is far more effective in t20 tho, but still not in Warner's league if IPL form is to be judged. Before you say Lynn is block bash as well, yeah, he is, but he's better at it imo.

As for not agreeing on Stoinis over Hastings (4th seamer), I didn't say Australia should, but a few batting collapses can change the selector's view on options quick smart. It is an option Australia has, I like the bold aggressive play of 4 quicks, but I'd have Pattinson ahead of Cummins with the Duke, Starc and Hazelwood (if the batting supports it). Or I'd have Cummins ahead of the Duke and just all out attack. It only takes 5 bowling options to bowl 50 overs, Australia at present have 4 strapping seamers plus Henriques, Maxwell and Head with Duke batting at 8.

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:11 pm
by baggygreenmania
He kicked on late in the calendar year with some big scores.You dont think Warner is also hit and miss? I think Finchies time has come and gone. But is Lynn ready to replace him?

Hilton Cartwright did some good things opening for Aussie A last winter. Perhaps he is ready for the big time. His central contract tells me he is. I do not like four quicks in ODI.

Three of the big four have a habit of leaking runs and that is counter productive in limited overs. So I would be sticking with Hazlewood, Starc, Cummins or Pattinson plus Hastings as the fourth seamer and Moie to bowl his medium pacers. I also want to see Zampa in the side.

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:39 pm
by Paddles
Warner is an immensely talented cricketer known as a flat track bully. I think he is amazingly consistent in good batting conditions - which is no intended slight on him. As a NZ fan, you know I have to support several batsmen who fail in good conditions as well as tough.

Its one thing to say a pitch is a road, but a batsman still needs to score runs on that road and cash in. Warner is a king of this. I'd swap Tom Latham's technique for Warner's run scoring by pushing out at the ball with hard hands in a heart beat. And by the by, I think Warner is better in trickier conditions than he is given credit for - look at his test debut in 2011 or those vital 40s and 50s in Ashes 2015.

Yes - I believe Lynn is ready for intl cricket. More than ready. He may fail in swing and seam conditions, but on flat pitches - few players can match his blitzkreig. He makes McCullum look tame. But his slogging is orthodox. Theres no switch hitting or charging. Its sensible power. He knows his game and backs himself to clear the boundary, damn the fielders! Like watching a taller, less talented and strokes, but just as brutal and sensible, Viv Richards.

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:30 am
by baggygreenmania
Second game and second no show of any Lynnsanity. Finch continues his Jekkyl & Hyde career. Good to see good sense prevail with Zampa given a game. I would have had him in for Henriques tho not big Duke Hastings. Travis Head has improved out of site as a more than useful tweaker. He remains Smithy's go to slow part timer over Maxie. In fact other than his usual flash fielding we have not seen much of Maxwell. Kiwis taking on England tonite. Should be a good 'n if weather permits.

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:28 pm
by Paddles
Henriques is an all rounder and if you play Zampa instead of him - you then have Hastings at 7. Thats a very weak batting line up. Especially when many commentators are suggesting Aussie is already a batsman short.

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 6:01 am
by baggygreenmania
Good point. Henriques is also a better bat than Maxwell so Maxie to go as he is not bowling these days. Zampa is too valuable not to play him in all games. I want Duke Hastings to also play all games as he is one of the best limited overs bowlers in the game. Poms gave your blokes a bit of a hiding.

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:47 pm
by Paddles
'Aye. Hope they give your blokes the same and keep our hopes to progress to the semis alive

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:09 am
by baggygreenmania
Is this taking gender equality and political correctness too far?
http://www.cricket.com.au/news/australi ... 2017-06-07
I want to know when CA is going to officially label our Test side The Baggy Greens and install a moniker on our ODI side. Wake up you lot. :roll:

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 2:07 am
by baggygreenmania
Underdone, did not rise to the occasion or wrong attack? Whatever the reason Australia is out of the Champions Trophy.

:cry: Some will say that Australia underestimated England. I say we went into the game without our only specialist limited overs bowler in John Hastings and paid the price.

Other than two washed out games this was the first full match for the men in wattyl gold and it showed while England looked far fresher and dare I say it hungrier. Where was Moie Henriques and Pat Cummins in this tournament with the ball? Reckon the Blues skipper proved yet again he is not of international standard.

Adam Zampa should have done something similar to Rashid but was found wanting when the chips were down. Wade and Starc threw away their wickets when we needed both to cherry the cake.

The only Aussies who can hold their heads loftily as they contemplate an early flite home are Smith, Finch, Head, Starc and Hazlewood. The boy from Bendemeer looked a class above any other in our attack. :cry:

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 2:34 am
by Paddles
Aussie had a v poor prep. NZ has no excuses, we don't have the talent for this batting allrounder theory currently in play - and Broom just sucks.

You were keen on Zampa; and yet he and Pat Cummins both played ahead of Pattinson. I think that was a blunder. Finch got a 50 vs England, but I'd still have Lynn there. Aussie has the luxury to deepen their batting should they wish.

Smith doesn't entirely trust Zampa still. Why pick him then?

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:11 am
by baggygreenmania
Poor preparation but really no excuses. I still would have backed Zampa to whip out a few Pommies but he failed miserably. Pattinson was the only playing quick among the big four at the start of the tournament yet he warmed the bench.

Starc looked rusty for a good deal after not playing for how many months. We needed something special from Maxie after Finch and then Smithy holed out but as is so often the case he went missing in action. Smithy prefers Head as the second tweaker so I would be jettisoning Maxwell for Lynn now.

I was surprised that your blokes have gone. A strong side on paper for mine. I tipped the Poms would get bundled out in the semis. On that performance they could well be favorites to take it out.

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 7:44 am
by Boycs
My new Australian relative has said that Australia haven't really been awesome in any sport - especially cricket - since around 2007. He invited the pet animals to play for the national team.

Is popular thought really that critical? Or are they unusually pessimistic?

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:00 am
by Paddles
Many Aussie cricket fans expect to be the best and just win everything. Since 2007 - they've won a WC and a CT, so they're hardly sliding to 1980s lows. But the lost test series at home to Safrica and England is not something that they're used to unless you wind back to the 1980s.

Their unquestioned dominance of rugby league has also been eroded since 2008 and their Union, while arguably #2 - is a distant #2. But they're still piling on Olympic medals at an impressive rate aren't they?

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:29 am
by Boycs
So are they going to get fired in this dispute with CA now they've been sent home? Or what?

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:44 am
by Mick180461
Paddles wrote:Many Aussie cricket fans expect to be the best and just win everything. Since 2007 - they've won a WC and a CT, so they're hardly sliding to 1980s lows. But the lost test series at home to Safrica and England is not something that they're used to unless you wind back to the 1980s.

Their unquestioned dominance of rugby league has also been eroded since 2008 and their Union, while arguably #2 - is a distant #2. But they're still piling on Olympic medals at an impressive rate aren't they?

No only 7-8 Gold in Rio compared to 15-16 in Sydney & Athens, there is a sign that the previous golden age of Australian Olympic performances from 56-72 is being repeated and that culminated in the disaster that was Montreal, 1 Siver & 3 Bronze only. Australian sport has been in general decline over the last decade compared to the early days of the century. Union in Australia is being held up by expat Pacific Islanders & Kiwis. A lot of money was poured into Australian sport after we won the hosting rights for 2000 and as the years have passed that money has dwindled away.

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:47 am
by baggygreenmania
Aussie Spin Camp gets underway this week in prep for Aussie A tour and our domestic summer.

Australia’s push to produce more high-quality slow bowlers – and batsmen capable of prospering in turning conditions – takes another step forward this week with a week long spin camp at Brisbane's National cricket Centre.

Mitch Swepson, Ashton Agar and John Hollard will headline the camp which will also include the promising Arjun Nair, Jason Sangha, Lloyd Pope and Devlin Malone.

The spin week program is headed up by spin program coaches John Davison and Ross Chapman, with former Australia off-spinner Ashley Mallett and Australia’s coaching consultant for the recent Test series against India, Sridharan Sriram, among several guest coaches.

Spin week participants: Thomas Engelbrecht, Ben Taylor (ACT); Daniel Fallins*, Devlin Malone, Arjun Nair, Jason Sangha, Param Uppal* (New South Wales); Hamish Martin, Dylan Mullen (Northern Territory); Mitchell Connolly, Matthew Kuhnemann, Harrison Macoun, Mitch Swepson (Queensland); Tom Andrews, Michael Cormack*, Thomas O’Connell, Lloyd Pope (South Australia); Jarrod Freeman, Beau Webster, Mac Wright* (Tasmania); Liam Bowe, Sam Grimwade, (Victoria); Ashton Agar, Kyle Gardiner, D’Arcy Short (Western Australia).

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:55 am
by baggygreenmania
Boycs wrote:So are they going to get fired in this dispute with CA now they've been sent home? Or what?

Hard to say Boycs. But CA is fast running our of patience with the ACA. The so called Memorandum of Understanding which expires in 3 weeks could see our Test players locked out of any sanctioned CA venue. Then things will turn serious. Shades of World Series Cricket. :roll:

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:09 am
by Mick180461
To make things look even worse for CA they may be looking for a new broadcaster for the BBL, with current rights holder, the 10 Networks future looking bleak, $230m in the red. An expensive broadcast like the BBL may have to be dropped even if Ten survives.

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:58 am
by baggygreenmania
Great news for the boy from Bendemeer.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-14/j ... tion=sport

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:30 am
by Mick180461
baggygreenmania wrote:Good point. Henriques is also a better bat than Maxwell so Maxie to go as he is not bowling these days. Zampa is too valuable not to play him in all games. I want Duke Hastings to also play all games as he is one of the best limited overs bowlers in the game. Poms gave your blokes a bit of a hiding.

Henriques better bat than Maxwell, thats a big call. 12 months ago i would have argued that one but Henriques has definitely improved while Maxwell has gone backwards.
The Australian Test side to tour Bangladesh is expected to be announced Friday afternoon Eastern Australia time, rumour is no O'Keefe.
My predicted
14
Smith (C)
Warner (VC)
Renshaw
Khawaja
Handscomb
Maxwell
Wade
Stoinis
Starc
Hazlewood
Cummins
Lyon
Agar
Bird/Pattinson
S Marsh for Stoinis is a possibility, also Swepson for Agar.

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:47 am
by Mick180461
Wade Seccombe is the new Queensland Coach taking over from Phill Jaques. One of the unlucky Keepers to run into Adam Gilchrist so never got a chance to play for Australia.

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:37 am
by Misty
Cartwright and James Pattinson makes it for Australian team for Bangladesh test tour in August 2017.
so no m.marsh,no,Shaun,no M.Starc (injured)

I guess O'Keefe dropped as he did Little after Pune test.I wonder why only 13 player selected in the team, must be short tour

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:43 am
by Misty
Warner
A.Agar
Cartwright
Cummins
Renshaw
Khawaja
Smith (captain)
Wade
Hazelwood
Lyon
HandsComb
Maxwell
J.Pattinson


First Test on 27 Aug.At Dhaka
second test on Sep.4th At Chittagong

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:21 am
by Misty
Australia not let Uzzie to sits out the way they selects team for 4 test innings.Poor guy not get chance to play in SL and India, Warm up the benches.

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:44 am
by Boycs
Mick180461 wrote:Wade Seccombe is the new Queensland Coach taking over from Phill Jaques. One of the unlucky Keepers to run into Adam Gilchrist so never got a chance to play for Australia.


I wonder what the greatest coaches XI would be

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:00 am
by Mick180461
Misty wrote:Cartwright and James Pattinson makes it for Australian team for Bangladesh test tour in August 2017.
so no m.marsh,no,Shaun,no M.Starc (injured)

I guess O'Keefe dropped as he did Little after Pune test.I wonder why only 13 player selected in the team, must be short tour

A 14th player to be added after the Aus A tour of RSA.
I wonder who is more confused Marcus Stionis, Hilton Cartwiright or me :dontknow: can't understand why Cartwiright plays 1 test in Australia, then Stoinis is picked for India as Marshes replacement, doesn't play a test then Cartwright is recalled for Bangladesh ahead of Stoinis, go figure that one out.
O'Keefe may also be paying the penalty for his poor behaviour at the State team awards night. Good to see Patto back.

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:12 pm
by baggygreenmania
AUSTRALIA TEST SQUAD FOR QANTAS TOUR OF BANGLADESH: Steve Smith (c), David Warner (vc), Ashton Agar, Hilton Cartwright, Pat Cummins, Peter Handscomb, Josh Hazlewood, Usman Khawaja, Nathan Lyon, Glenn Maxwell, James Pattinson, Matthew Renshaw, Matthew Wade

FIXTURES

18 August Australia arrive

22-23 August Tour match,Fatullah

27-31 August First Test, Dhaka

4-8 September Second Test, Chittagong

Hilton Cartwright's first Test tour. Well deserved. SOK is the big surprise to some Mick. Not me. I had penciled in Agar in his place at the end of the Indian tour. When Agar made the A tour I was fairly certain then he was being lined up by CA as Lyon's Test partner. Lyon can also feel lucky after a hot/cold Indian tour. No limited overs component of the tour I see.

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:14 pm
by baggygreenmania
Mick180461 wrote:
baggygreenmania wrote:Good point. Henriques is also a better bat than Maxwell so Maxie to go as he is not bowling these days. Zampa is too valuable not to play him in all games. I want Duke Hastings to also play all games as he is one of the best limited overs bowlers in the game. Poms gave your blokes a bit of a hiding.

Henriques better bat than Maxwell, thats a big call. 12 months ago i would have argued that one but Henriques has definitely improved while Maxwell has gone backwards.
The Australian Test side to tour Bangladesh is expected to be announced Friday afternoon Eastern Australia time, rumour is no O'Keefe.
My predicted
14
Smith (C)
Warner (VC)
Renshaw
Khawaja
Handscomb
Maxwell
Wade
Stoinis
Starc
Hazlewood
Cummins
Lyon
Agar
Bird/Pattinson
S Marsh for Stoinis is a possibility, also Swepson for Agar.


What exactly are you saying Mick. Agreeing with me that Henriques is a better bat that Maxwell or not? I was only talking abour ODI in any case mate.

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:21 pm
by Mick180461
baggygreenmania wrote:
Mick180461 wrote:Henriques better bat than Maxwell, thats a big call. 12 months ago i would have argued that one but Henriques has definitely improved while Maxwell has gone backwards.
The Australian Test side to tour Bangladesh is expected to be announced Friday afternoon Eastern Australia time, rumour is no O'Keefe.
My predicted
14
Smith (C)
Warner (VC)
Renshaw
Khawaja
Handscomb
Maxwell
Wade
Stoinis
Starc
Hazlewood
Cummins
Lyon
Agar
Bird/Pattinson
S Marsh for Stoinis is a possibility, also Swepson for Agar.


What exactly are you saying Mick. Agreeing with me that Henriques is a better bat that Maxwell or not? I was only talking abour ODI in any case mate.

No i would still have Maxwell in front of Henriques but not as clear cut as 12 months ago.
Not going to be an easy tour, the Tigers are comming of a high and are starting to believe in themselves. And I'm not really surprised they didn't pick O'Keefe, despite he's vastly superior record they just don't like him and any excuse to drop him will do. I'm certainly not fussed about Lyon he only produced the goods in 1 one innings in India, the rest of the series he took 11/430, far to many runs in 3 1/2 tests. I think we are being a bit harsh on O'Keefe, did win us our 1st test in India in 12 years.

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:52 pm
by Going South
baggygreenmania wrote:Great news for the boy from Bendemeer.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-14/j ... tion=sport

Great. Another good IPL prospect :up:

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:04 am
by baggygreenmania
Going South wrote:
baggygreenmania wrote:Great news for the boy from Bendemeer.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-14/j ... tion=sport

Great. Another good IPL prospect :up:


Josh will be in greater demand for the IPL after this recognition. Personally I would prefer he played English County cricket next winter in prep for the next away Ashes.

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:14 am
by Paddles
baggygreenmania wrote:
Going South wrote:Great. Another good IPL prospect :up:


Josh will be in greater demand for the IPL after this recognition. Personally I would prefer he played English County cricket next winter in prep for the next away Ashes.


BGM - you read my posts so you will be aware of the very high regard that I have for Josh, but unlike Starc and his yorkers he isn't bringing anything special to t20. I think if Josh went to IPL - he'd end up warming a bench a lot like Boult has despite his high figure signings based on #1 and high in odi rankings.

Specialist bowling imports need to be either death bowlers or fantastic spinners to get a decent berth in ipl. Mustafizur played stuff all this year and he with Starc is the dream combo to close out any limited overs innings. Steyns, McGraths and co without Malinga type yorkers or Faulkner (formerly) slower balls just warm the bench too much for their own liking.

Johnson was a hero for MI this year but played stuff all games (McClenahan and Southee) and MI is a rare IPL team that play an import support seamer to yorker specialists Bumrah and Malinga, due to Bhaji, Pandya H and K, Rohit , Patel permitting the luxury with Pollard's selection set in stone. Its a good pay fay for the players, but they end up bowling far more in the nets than on the pitch for their liking.

Stokes, Morris, Henriques, Watson (in form) seamer all rounders are what they really want if not a special(ist) death option.

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:56 am
by baggygreenmania
It was others that were saying Josh would be in greater demand for the IPL Paddles. I agree "he does not bring anything special to this format". He rarely bowls the yorker and his metronomic line and length is of little use in T20.

He is however creating some change ups which has improved his limited overs economy and wicket taking ability. Like I say I would prefer CA sent him to England ahead of the Ashes. He did not have the best England Ashes debut two years back.

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:46 pm
by baggygreenmania
A good article on Hilton Cartright Mick and Paddles if also interested
http://www.cricket.com.au/news/hilton-c ... 2017-06-17

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:46 pm
by baggygreenmania

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:50 pm
by baggygreenmania
Australia's and arguably the worlds premier woman all rounder weighs up what is needed to win the World Cup.

Allrounder Ellyse Perry has declared Australia's women need to find the right tempo with the bat in the closing overs of their innings, in order to finish off in the sort of manner that will enable them to lift the World Cup next month.

Batting at No. 3 in the absence of the rested captain Meg Lanning, Perry struck a century in a warm-up win over New Zealand at Southampton on Wednesday, but was concerned by how the lower order fell away when a total of more than 300 looked there for the taking.

"It was really great to put on those partnerships with Bolts [Nicole Bolton] at the start and then Elyse Villani as well," Perry said. "It was just disappointing for me personally but also the lower order, we just fell off again. We were set up to score over 300 and we didn't get there. That's something to work on but it was nice to get that time in the middle".

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:12 am
by Mick180461
baggygreenmania wrote:A good article on Hilton Cartright Mick and Paddles if also interested
http://www.cricket.com.au/news/hilton-c ... 2017-06-17

They should stop calling him an allrounder, he's not. He's a handy seam up change bowler at best.

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:28 pm
by baggygreenmania
Mick180461 wrote:
baggygreenmania wrote:A good article on Hilton Cartright Mick and Paddles if also interested
http://www.cricket.com.au/news/hilton-c ... 2017-06-17

They should stop calling him an allrounder, he's not. He's a handy seam up change bowler at best.

Quite correct Mick. Why does CA continue to pigeon hole certain players and heap more pressure on them. Let Carts do what he does best and that is score runs.

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:59 am
by Mick180461
baggygreenmania wrote:
Mick180461 wrote:They should stop calling him an allrounder, he's not. He's a handy seam up change bowler at best.

Quite correct Mick. Why does CA continue to pigeon hole certain players and heap more pressure on them. Let Carts do what he does best and that is score runs.

I'm not sure CA is Baggers, i think it's just the Media. The only reason i can understand sending Stoinis to India then replacing him with Cartwright for Bangladesh is they rate Stoinis as an allrounder but not Cartwright and they think they may have needed a genuine 5th bowler in India but only a change bowler in Bangladesh.

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:44 am
by Misty
Two pages? Australian cricketb
I thought was 8 or 6 pages

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:36 am
by baggygreenmania
Misty wrote:Two pages? Australian cricketb
I thought was 8 or 6 pages

Please explain?

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:29 am
by Boycs
I think he means the length of the thread

Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:31 pm
by baggygreenmania
How about this for news all cricket lovers. Two new Test nations. Not before time when it comes to Ireland. Does not say when it will be implimented. So is it effectve immediately or not? http://www.cricket.com.au/