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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:34 am

Mike enthralling red ball cricket at its best at Blundstone with a couple of birds, Jackson and Sam probably bowling the Tigers into the final. A big ton by Travis Head (145) was not quite enuff as the Redbacks fell an agonising 18 runs short..unthinkable at the start of the day.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:33 pm

Mike will the Bulls play for a win or settle for a tame draw? Renshaw looks to be digging in so I will say the latter. Another 50 from him and he is one of the openers in my Team of the Summer.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby MikeR68 » Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:17 am

Why give WA any hope to play in the final with an outright win today. When WA played Qld in Perth, it was WA that put all the fielders on the boundary to prevent Qld achieving the outright (missed by 6 runs). They could have gone for the outright themselves but went for the tame draw. So why should Qld allow them to get the points.

Qld get 2.6 points with the draw, so they're in the final, and have nearly 4 point lead in hosting. Only an outright by Tas or Vic will get the hosting rights, but only one can do it. The semi-final will be Tas V Vic at Blunestone next week, an exciting game that will be. Currently only 0.4 between them which is 40 runs so a drawn game may not get Tasmania in the final, they have to play for an outright. Qld play NSW and I'm sure NSW wlll prepare a spinners wicket and play 2, they always do, but Qld have a very balanced side so they may get some points out of the game. So I think Qld may set a target today and hope they can bowl WA out and shore up the home final. I think they'll set 250 and with the way Renshaw has put the foot down, it may be just after lunch with 2 sessions to play.

Renshaw is playing well, but he has to do more to overtake the consistency this season of J Weatherald, Marcus Harris, or even Joe Burns for this years sheffield shield team. But at least we have 6 openers in form for the 2 openers in the Australian side. Renshaw should make his return to the baggy green soon, as unlike the media, I don't see a 50 by Bancroft as the pressure is off him, he needs a century in the current series to stamp himself in the Australian side. Afterall they were prepared to drop Burns with 3 centuries from 23 innings and Renshaw with 1 century from 18 innings, so Bancroft needs a big one.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby MikeR68 » Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:41 am

Charlie Hemphrey has had a good game but considering he's 28 it may be a bit late for him. Rain is coming and wind, might be an interesting afternoon.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby MikeR68 » Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:03 am

Interesting baggers for NSW Nathan McAndrew leading bowler out of NSW in the futures. He has shown some class this year rating better than Sandhu, Stobo, Conway and Abbott. And Jay Lenton leading batsman and he's a keeper. Justin Avendano, Daniel Solway, Nick Bertus showing some class. For the last game of the season I would give some of the young blokes a go especially against Qld just to see their prospects, play them against the best and see how they rate. Nothing to lose but something to gain for NSW. It has worked out for Hemphrey.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby MikeR68 » Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:16 am

I stand corrected, 3rd century for Renshaw this season puts him as the leading opener IMO, the only batsmen to score 3 this season, considering the start he had. The T20 break did wonders for him. I think he has proven he's a run machine and strong mentally after being dropped. I think if he scores 131 he may be the leading run scorer this season. And this innings he has taken to Kelly and Mackin, no slouches with the ball.

Since the T20 break Renshaw has amassed 485 runs at 70, and still going.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:51 am

You are back with a bang Mike. I did not realise the Warriors could have made the final. Bulls far too good..blew em off the park. Wildermuth and Neser get more impressive. Charlie Hemphrey picked a good time to regain form. What a match winning effort. What do you say about Renshaw..three tons in succession. I had him averaging about @80 sine the Shield resumption but @70 will do nicely.. Clearly the best opener in Australia.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:00 am

Renshaw is playing well, but he has to do more to overtake the consistency this season of J Weatherald, Marcus Harris, or even Joe Burns for this years sheffield shield team. But at least we have 6 openers in form for the 2 openers in the Australian side. Renshaw should make his return to the baggy green soon, as unlike the media, I don't see a 50 by Bancroft as the pressure is off him, he needs a century in the current series to stamp himself in the Australian side. Afterall they were prepared to drop Burns with 3 centuries from 23 innings and Renshaw with 1 century from 18 innings, so Bancroft needs a big one. Mike for sheer impact Renshaw gets my vote as the best opener of the summer. He has done more for getting the Bulls to this point than any other single player. The Bulls can thank him for getting them into the final. Weatherald and Harris will battle out the other opening spot. If Bancroft fails in the second Test then Renshaw should be on the first plane to Sth Africa.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:57 am

Interesting baggers for NSW Nathan McAndrew leading bowler out of NSW in the futures. He has shown some class this year rating better than Sandhu, Stobo, Conway and Abbott. And Jay Lenton leading batsman and he's a keeper. Justin Avendano, Daniel Solway, Nick Bertus showing some class. For the last game of the season I would give some of the young blokes a go especially against Qld just to see their prospects, play them against the best and see how they rate. Nothing to lose but something to gain for NSW. It has worked out for Hemphrey. Agree on the youth policy Mike. Add Arjun Nair to that list. Rumors are Maddinson will not be offered a contract for next year. Henriques and Nevill should join him on the unemployment line... Have not heard much of Nathan McAndrew Mike. Just looked up his FL numbers.. 12 wkts at @29. Not all that awe inspiring. Fellow Camberran Joe Kershaw looks more impressive with 18 wkts @ 24.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby MikeR68 » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:15 pm

Nathan McAndrew Baggers finished the Futures League 4th leading wicket taker with 19 @ 24. Last year he finished with 17 @ 26 and the year before that when he started he played 2 games for 7 wickets @ 30. I think he is showing consistency around that 25 at Futures, so maybe a 28-30 at FC level. Consider Australian capped players Abbott and Sandhu av around 35-37 at FC level

Joe Kershaw is another with promise but I may be wrong but this is the first season for Joe isn't it, I'd like to see what he does next year.

Arjun Nair has a lot of promise, but I'm unsure what he actually is? An all-rounder? A batsman who rolls the arm over? A bowler who can throw the bat?
His FC level is not inspiring. In Futures he only averaged bat 32, ball 25 for the season, a long way behind the dominance of Uppal (bat 60, ball 17) who really should be taking any position Nair would be considered for. And with O'Keeffe and Sommerville still around I think Nair may have to wait, and I think the future spinner for NSW is Uppal, he is the future for both NSW and Australia as primary spinner IMO.

It makes me laugh when I saw your post on Maddinson, how M Waugh destroyed his career, he was never ready, and also weak mentally. And the Stars offered him a big contract trying to re-build their side, a player who averages 23 in T20, not really a positive move by the Stars.

Also makes me laugh that 5 months ago, the media, you and Mick all thought Nevill should be recalled to the Australian side, and remember the furore when Paine was selected (granted you were supportive of Paine, Baggers). His form currently is generally the form he has shown for the majority of his career. The reason he could never replace Wade, nor Haddin at FC level, why he failed at international cricket, and why he should never have been selected for Australia over Hartley.

Also PMLOL when for the last 11 years Moises as been called an all-rounder, and has been grouped with other all-rounders, has been selected for Australia in all forms of the games as an all-rounder, when his first class career with the bat he averaged 33 and has taken 104 wickets from 102 innings at an average of 32. That is neither an all-rounder, a batsman, nor a bowler. A true all-rounder is James Hopes av 31 with the bat and 301 wickets @ 26, he holds his position on his bowling alone. It has really been an insult to all all-rounders like Hopes to place Henriques in that category, and to wear a baggy green, INSULTING.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby MikeR68 » Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:18 pm

Though a lot of credit must go to Renshaw and Burns for getting Qld into the final (5 centuries between them) I think you are under-estimating the others in the side. M Labuschagne (1 century 4 50's) C Hemphrey (1 century and 3 50's), Sam Heazlett (1 century 1 50 from only 9 innings), Jack Wildermuth (433 runs averaged 31) Jimmy Pierson (averaged 31), they have all contributed at some point in the season. Looking at the cellar dwellers WA only have 1 century each to Turner, Bancroft and M Marsh, and NSW even worse with only Smith and Henriques managing a century this year, that is why Qld have been dominant, consistency. And Tasmania and Victoria are the same as Qld they have good contributions from all batsmen. Consistency is what I like to see from future Australian players, rather than one off performances, such as Henriques his 131* only gets his average to 26 other than that innings he scored 211 @ 15.

Team of the week Baggers (I am going for a spinners wicket this week)
Renshaw
Harris
Head
Hemphrey
Silk
Wildermuth
Gotch (those stumpings turned the game)
O'Keefe
Winter
Ahmed
Bird

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:55 am

Mike I can not improve on your team.
Nathan McAndrew Baggers finished the Futures League 4th leading wicket taker with 19 @ 24.
I swear when I checked that list yesterday it had McAndrew 12wkts @29. It could not have been up to date then. Yes those are good numbers from the Wollongong native. Suggest Cricket NSW gets him on their books asap. Reckon a lot of Maddinsons trouble is between the ears Mike.. as you say weak mentally. Nair needs a standout season to get in favor again. In terms of experience he is still a baby. I see him as primarily a bowler. Uppal is very promising in both suits and as you say could hold out Nair for several more years. Good slow bowling all rounders are as scarce as hens teeth...
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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:05 am

[quote="MikeR68"]Though a lot of credit must go to Renshaw and Burns for getting Qld into the final (5 centuries between them) I think you are under-estimating the others in the side. M Labuschagne (1 century 4 50's) C Hemphrey (1 century and 3 50's), Sam Heazlett (1 century 1 50 from only 9 innings), Jack Wildermuth (433 runs averaged 31) Jimmy Pierson (averaged 31), they have all contributed at some point in the season. Looking at the cellar dwellers WA only have 1 century each to Turner, Bancroft and M Marsh, and NSW even worse with only Smith and Henriques managing a century this year, that is why Qld have been dominant, consistency. And Tasmania and Victoria are the same as Qld they have good contributions from all batsmen. Consistency is what I like to see from future Australian players, rather than one off performances, such as Henriques his 131* only gets his average to 26 other than that innings he scored 211 @ 15.

Agree totally with your last para Mike. Not underestimating the contribution of the other Bulls batsmen. But merely saying remove Renshaws incredible post resumption performances and the Bulls would be struggling to make the finals. Fair assumption? Joe got them away to a good start and the middle order, specially Labu and Heazlett kept them there. The two surprise packets have been Wildermuth and Neser. They have stepped up from bits and pieces players to strike bowlers. But IMO it is Renshaw that actually got them a final spot. So which teams are now the other possible finalist?
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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:01 pm

The Blues squad is without changes for the final match on Wednesday. So in essence the Blues selectors are rewarding mediocrity. Not a one of those blokes we talked about that have been going well in FL Mike. How about the Bulls squad.. any changes?

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby MikeR68 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:19 pm

Qld announced that they were going with the pick and stick policy once the series recommenced, and it has been the same 12 for all the games. Burns comes back for Pfeiffer. Interesting to see who the 12th man is Doggart or Steketee. They probably should have selected another spinner for Wollongong. But I don't think this game means a lot to Qld, probably just some practice for them. Nice to have that buffer going into the worst game of the season for QLD, I can't remember the last time we won in Sydney, spinners aren't our forté.

Baggers, what we write is just wishful thinking, selectors just pick the same old, same old, at all levels, because to do otherwise would mean they actually have to think. All expense paid day at the cricket, cricket just gets in the way of drinking time. Is David Freedman still chairman? Who are the current selectors for NSW?

With 8.58 points differential over Tasmania which means outright win, take all Vic wickets within 100 overs and score 358 runs within 100 overs, it would probably mean that Qld could rest a few players, but they do need some BP's to secure the final. Taking 6 NSW wickets in 100 overs means Tas would have to score an additional 60 runs. Tasmania are 18 runs ahead of Victoria so that is the interesting game this round.

Anyway Baggers, I'm off to lay the cement slab at Allan Border field, and may sure it is all nicely polished with no chance of cracks. That's the way of the finals isn't it?

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:51 am

MikeR68 wrote:Qld announced that they were going with the pick and stick policy once the series recommenced, and it has been the same 12 for all the games. Burns comes back for Pfeiffer. Interesting to see who the 12th man is Doggart or Steketee. They probably should have selected another spinner for Wollongong. But I don't think this game means a lot to Qld, probably just some practice for them. Nice to have that buffer going into the worst game of the season for QLD, I can't remember the last time we won in Sydney, spinners aren't our forté.

Baggers, what we write is just wishful thinking, selectors just pick the same old, same old, at all levels, because to do otherwise would mean they actually have to think. All expense paid day at the cricket, cricket just gets in the way of drinking time. Is David Freedman still chairman? Who are the current selectors for NSW?

With 8.58 points differential over Tasmania which means outright win, take all Vic wickets within 100 overs and score 358 runs within 100 overs, it would probably mean that Qld could rest a few players, but they do need some BP's to secure the final. Taking 6 NSW wickets in 100 overs means Tas would have to score an additional 60 runs. Tasmania are 18 runs ahead of Victoria so that is the interesting game this round.

Anyway Baggers, I'm off to lay the cement slab at Allan Border field, and may sure it is all nicely polished with no chance of cracks. That's the way of the finals isn't it?
Doggett 12th man ? When was he dropped and for whom Mike. Reckoned he had been going well. I will check out Blues selectors and send them a big raspberry.

[i]With 8.58 points differential over Tasmania which means outright win, take all Vic wickets within 100 overs and score 358 runs within 100 overs, it would probably mean that Qld could rest a few players, but they do need some BP's to secure the final.
Taking 6 NSW wickets in 100 overs means Tas would have to score an additional 60 runs. Tasmania are 18 runs ahead of Victoria so that is the interesting game this round.[/i]

Explain that a little clearer please Mike.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:59 am

Tom Greig, the son of former England captain and Channel Nine commentator, the late Tony Greig, was also selected in the Metro Thunder squad. Tony will be looking down from above with great pride. Expect Tom to be vying for a spot in the NSW U17 squad now.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:24 pm

Venue Blundstone Arena, Hobart
Date 14 - 17 March 2018.

TAS: Jordan Silk, Alex Doolan, Beau Webster, Jake Doran, George Bailey (c), Matthew Wade (wk), Simon Milenko, Tom Rogers, Sam Rainbird, Jackson Bird, Andrew Fekete,

VIC: Marcus Harris, Travis Dean, Glenn Maxwell, Aaron Finch (c), Cameron White, Daniel Christian, Seb Gotch (wk), Chris Tremain, Peter Siddle, Scott Boland, Fawad Ahmed,

Equasion is simple. Whichever team wins goes into the final. Mike how did the Bushies get to this position? They were running last a few matches back.
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Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:26 pm

Venue North Dalton Park, Wollongong.
Date 14 - 17 March 2018

NSW: Daniel Hughes, Nick Larkin, Kurtis Patterson, Moises Henriques, Nic Maddinson, Param Uppal, Peter Nevill (c/wk), Steve O'Keefe, Trent Copeland, Sean Abbott, Harry Conway,

QLD: Joe Burns, Matthew Renshaw, Marnus Labuschagne, Charlie Hemphrey, Sam Heazlett, Jack Wildermuth, Jimmy Peirson (c/wk), Michael Neser, Mark Steketee, Mitchell Swepson, Brendan Doggett,

Bulls look almost final certainties. Blues will wanna regain some pride after a shocker second half to the summer.
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Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:46 pm

Blues won toss and are bowling. It has fined after some overnite and morning rain in Sydney and The Gong.

Joe Burns returns for the Bulls on a greenish deck. The Dukes should enjoy it.

So instead of replacing Ed Cowan with a form player Maddinson the dud comes in.

Renshaw has gone cheaply. I am detecting a slite chink in his armor with the final not far off.
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Venue Gliderol Stadium, Glenelg, Adelaide
Date 14 - 17 March 2018

SA: Jake Weatherald, Conor McInerney, Callum Ferguson, Travis Head (c), Jake Lehmann, Alex Ross, Alex Carey (wk), Joe Mennie, Kane Richardson, Nick Winter, Daniel Worrall,

WA: D'Arcy Short, Josh Philippe, William Bosisto, Marcus Stoinis, Ashton Turner (c), Hilton Cartwright, Ashton Agar, Josh Inglis (wk), Joel Paris, Liam Guthrie, Simon Mackin,

Redbacks won toss at Glenelg and are bowling. All three toss winners have fielded first. Interesting.
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Postby baggygreenmania » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:08 am

An early wicket in each of the matches. Looks to be ample grass on all three decks.

Warriors miserable summer with the bat continues. They really are hamstrung without the Marsh bros.
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Postby baggygreenmania » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:02 am

Renshaw has gone cheaply. I am detecting a slite chink in his armor with the final not far off. Reading that Renners is looking for an English County contract in the off season. He says he is comfotable with the Dukes ball and wants further practice with it in case he is selected for the Ashes 2019 in the Old Dart. Two blokes I certainly want on that tour are Renners and Nick Winter.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:16 am

Shocker live stream from Hobart and Adelaide.

Tigers start their campaign solidly for a final spot..1-87 at lunch. Only the perennial failure Alex Doolan back in the sheds.

Bulls are crashing and burning at The Gong.. 6-122.
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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby raja » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:02 am

Alex Doolan!
Now that's a name I'd COMPLETELY forgotten.
This is an Aussie side with vacancies - any decent batsmen would fancy his chances if he were to get some big scores and catch the selectors' eye.
Sadly Doolan isn't going to be catching anyone's eye soon.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:29 am

raja wrote:Alex Doolan!
Now that's a name I'd COMPLETELY forgotten.
This is an Aussie side with vacancies - any decent batsmen would fancy his chances if he were to get some big scores and catch the selectors' eye.
Sadly Doolan isn't going to be catching anyone's eye soon.
That is for sure. He did early in the summer when he scored a sublime double 100. Alas nothing since. Matthew Renshaw must be again catching the selectors eye as he has something like 500 runs in five return Shield games. Three centuries alone in last three games. I admire his maturity in bouncing back from being dropped for the Ashes and this SA tour. Others putting their hand up are Sam Heazlett (QLD) and Jake Weatherald (SA). Hilton Cartwright is another to drop off the radar this year.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:15 am

Was wondering what has happened to the superior SACA live stream. Fact coverage is coming from Glenelg not Adelaide could be the reason.

Hilton Cartwright playing a lone hand for the Warriors. Selectors will like this.

Joe Burns throws away a certain ton. Conway bounced him and Joe got too cute by trying to uppercut him to third man fence. Mishit down the throat of deep point.

A concerted bowling effort by the Blues has the Bulls back in the sheds for 243.

Sam Whiteman may have trouble regaining the Warriors gloves from Josh Inglis.
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Postby Katto » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:09 am

maybe no one wanted to volunteer their time any more
there's been a number of telecast and commentated games from Glenelg in the past and no issues

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Postby baggygreenmania » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:52 am

Chris Tremain needs only four more wickets to hit the magic 50 for the season.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby MikeR68 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:50 pm

At the end of Day 1 Qld now have 48.3 points and have the hosting rights for the final even without the bowling BP's. Tasmania currently have 40.33 but only have 7 possible points available with the bowling and an outright win. Currently Victoria have 39.81 so to overtake Qld and host the final on the assumption Qld take 0 wickets in 100 overs (not likely to happen) Victoria would need to score 450 in 100 overs (plus 10 runs for every wicket Qld take in 100 overs).

So who is to play Qld in Qld in the final? The outright winner between Tas V Vic.

In the event of a draw between Tas v Vic. Tasmania will probably finish with approximately 41.5 (15 runs in the remaining 4 overs and take all 10 Vic wickets in 100 overs) so for Victoria to overtake Tasmania they need to score 370 in 100 overs of the 1st innings. A very interesting day ahead.

It was unfortunate for Burns not to score the century, but the injury must be OK and his dominance this year continues. Rumours are that Burns was going to replace Bancroft in the first test in South Africa but unfortunately the injury prevented that. Interesting scenario now that both Burns and Renshaw are in form, if Bancroft doesn't perform in the final 2 tests, a good battle between the two will occur, ultimately this is good for Australia.

Baggers you posted we underestimated Warner. No we didn't. When someone has so many skeletons in the closet it is best to keep your mouth shut. To call Quinton de Kock a "bush pig" and referencing his mother and sister you have to expect some retaliation and this went on for an hour. After all, what references de Kock made about Candice and Sonny Bill Williams are true... "The loo tryst affair", and Sonny Bill was staying in the same hotel as the Australian cricket team, so much ammunition. Best to keep your mouth shut, something Warner cannot do. When de Kock’s sister Dalean posts on social media “I’ll hurt you”, you know Warner crossed the line.

But the thing is it is not the first time for Warner. Assault on Root. Racist comment about speaking English, and now this ugly incident. As Tremlett posted "The South Africans must be quaking in their boots at the sight of a 5ft tall David Warner coming towards them acting tough". If CA were prepared to destroy Simon Katich's career after Michael Clarke instigated the incident by calling Katich a “weak c---.” and he retaliated by grabbing Clarke by the shirt collar in a locker room incident, then I have to ask "how is Warner still in the side?" CA have one rule for one and another rule for others. And you seriously ask me as an Australian to back this particular baggy green team. They're a world-wide embarrassment to Australia.

Baggers you as a true blue Aussie know Australians believe in a fair go for all. That currently is not happening.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/cricket/ns ... 6f09a88169

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Smith has made it clear that Hughes is going to play for Australia and he is doing everything to ensure that happens. Considering Hughes is 28 he is ensuring that it will be sooner than later, possibly even jumping ahead of Renshaw and Burns regardless of how they perform. Just like Ed Cowan who was the leading Shield run-scorer during the 2016-17 season, a performance that resulted in him winning the Steve Waugh medal as NSW's best player, but that means nothing when Smith wants his mate in.

Players like Maddinson being selected because of being mates with Smith (apologies to M Waugh I thought he had that responsibility) The ABC constantly reminding listeners that Starc and Hazlewood are "mates" with Smith and are untouchables, thus what we see in recent tests that Cummins and Lyon have been doing the grunt work and Starc and Hazlewood get to bowl at the tail to get their numbers up. In the last test the two combined 3/208 and that's with one of the tail (Lyon, Cummins and Marsh took 7/160, SA struggle to make 250 if Starc and Hazlewood step up), we lost because of that poor bowling performance and the two get off scott free. Compare to Kagiso Rabada who took 11/150. Smith says "it's all the batsmen fault".

https://www.cricket.com.au/video/steve- ... 2018-03-13

By saying that, the target is placed on the batsmen and Warner and Smith aren't going anywhere so who does Smith ultimately put up for the axe? The target has been moved from a poor bowling performance by "Smith's mates" to others more expendable players in Smith's opinion. There is no fair go and there hasn't been since the cancer that was Michael Clarke was in charge, and that cancer is still present in the current side. Don't get me wrong Baggers I'm a big fan of Smith he just has to learn to keep out of the selection decisions, call the performances honestly for what they are regardless if they are mates, and give all a fair go.

So wish all you want Baggers for Nic Winter to go on the next Ashes campaign, and I also believe that should occur, but I'm also adding Rogers, Bell and Tremain as well, but regardless of who they select it will be nothing but a holiday for them.

So Baggers if Winter is to play who goes? Last 10 tests
Cummins 39 wickets @ 25
Starc 44 wickets @ 27
Hazlewood 29 wickets @ 33.5

Personally I think there is enough there to have Jhye Richardson or Chadd Sayers to be given an opportunity over one particular bowler, who shall remain nameless.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:14 am

Baggers you posted we underestimated Warner. No we didn't. When someone has so many skeletons in the closet it is best to keep your mouth shut. To call Quinton de Kock a "bush pig" and referencing his mother and sister you have to expect some retaliation and this went on for an hour. After all, what references de Kock made about Candice and Sonny Bill Williams are true... "The loo tryst affair", and Sonny Bill was staying in the same hotel as the Australian cricket team, so much ammunition. Best to keep your mouth shut, something Warner cannot do. When de Kock’s sister Dalean posts on social media “I’ll hurt you”, you know Warner crossed the line. Mike that was premature before we had the full story. As an ex journo I should have known better. Warner has always been an embarrassment and should not be in the side. It is mostly him, as you clearly point out, that has tarnished our reputation. Others followed his lead. Smith has made it clear he does not want people talking about our teams conduct but rather our cricket performances .. He needs to put a leash on his deputy.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:27 am

Winter has shown that he has the ability to swing the ball in our conditions..imagine what he will do in English conditions. He could be a sensation.. a leftie Terry Alderman. If they go with our current big three then he should be reserve bowler.. Tremain also has to be on the radar. Two outstanding seasons on the trot...

what we see in recent tests that Cummins and Lyon have been doing the grunt work and Starc and Hazlewood get to bowl at the tail to get their numbers up. Absolute crap Mike. Starc perhaps as his biggest weapon is bowling round wicket to the tail. You obviously missed Hazlewood's terrific reverse swing spells... mostly against top order batsmen. Lucky not to get a couple more than just Edgar. Beat bat repeatedly. I know your reply. But he should be taking those wickets not just beating the bat. Yes but someone like Robada who got the rewards is afterall playing in his home conditions. I like the way Haze is trying new things when ball is not seaming.. He must be disappointed as he would have expected the SAffer tracks to seam more. Cant believe he averaged @33 in last 10 Tests. Averaged @25 in the five Ashes tests.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:12 am

Vics are in the mire. Tigers need to finish the job quickly after lunch.

Mike doubt over Mitch Marsh and talk of bringing in a like for like replacement for next Test. Who would you like to see replacing him? Stoinis or Cartwright are the obvious ones. My choice would be Carty. What about going for an outsider in Wildermuth, Milenko or even Neser? How about this for an out of the box selection.. Dan Christian. His record stacks up with any of the others...except Cartwright with the bat.
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Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:26 am

Mike have you watched Forged In Fire.. a three parter about Ashes cricket? Good viewing.
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Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:57 am

See Joel Paris has not bulked up while out with injury. Still has a frame to rival Bruce Reid. One lefty back for the Warriors still no sign of Jason Behrendorff tho.

With the pressure off, Maddinson scores a 50. Why does that not surprise me.

Param Uppal, like a lot of young talented players, needs to temper his batting. Got done by a Swepson flipper attacking rather than defending.

Cartwight has pulled off a diving screamer to remove Richardson. Tail again getting extremely useful runs for the Sth Aussies. The lead is dwindling.

Bushies have been rolled for 182. Tigers can take a stranglehold on this match today and a finals spot.

You can see with that Will Bosisto dismissal that he is batting without confidence...searching for runs. An inform batsman would have left that swinging ball to the keeper.

Ball dominating the bat the longer these three matches run..

Tremain takes his 50th scalp. at a miserly @20.4. His best season. Just keeps improving does the big Dubbo quick.

Mike the Blues needed to be playing like this from Round 6.

Stumps on day 2.. Bushies are not going down with a whimper. Blues building a solid lead now. Sabba (Abbott) and Nevill with rare runs.
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Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:04 am

Mike at the conclusion of this round I intend to grade players on their performances this summer. Do you know of any place where I can find stats of the first 5 rounds for a comparison between the two Shield sections? Tried cricinfo. Thus will help. Has Burns been opening all season?
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Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:09 am

Tremain has his 50th scalp of the summer at a miserly @20.4. His best season. Just keeps improving does the big Dubbo quick.
The Dukes is now dominating the willow..

Mike the Blues needed to be playing like this from Round 6.
Neser cleans up the tail in fast time. Blues all out 402.
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Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:12 am

Tigers have steadied things nicely, thanks to Tom Rogers, as they push the lead towards 350 and above. Victoria have toiled away, but will be wanting to wrap things up quickly after lemons if they wanna stay in the chase for the final. Mike where has Tom Rogers been.. is ranked in top five bowlers with the lowest economy rate (@17) and is far from a mug with the willow.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:08 am

I know the live stream is a priviledge but when is CA going to get it gremlin-free? We have a new Match Centre but same old coverage problems.
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Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:09 am

Cartwright and Agar making sure the Redbacks are chasing a massive target.
Winter is the only one getting anything out of this pitch. Looking at another michelle.

Vics on the ropes with The Bear gone too..

Belter of a deck also at the Gong. AS the Blues do not have a genuine swing bowler Labu and Hemphrey are doing what they please. Copeland is the only one of this impotent attack that can build sustained pressure. We need an bowling all rounder who can send down 15 tidy overs and take a couple of wickets plus score useful runs every innings. Labu has cruised to his second ton of the season is now the leading rungetter.

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Postby Boycs » Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:48 am

My Cricinfo isn’t routinely displaying the shield scores which is frustrating. I like scoping out potential new Australia threats on the horizon (know your enemy etc :P)

Are there many new sensations to watch out for?

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Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:49 am

Fekete has come back with a bang. Is single handedly bowling Tassie into the final. Worrying is the form of Jackson Bird.

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Postby Boycs » Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:50 am

Depending on how that’s pronounced, there is a surname begging for tabloid headline puns

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Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:55 am

Boycs wrote:My Cricinfo isn’t routinely displaying the shield scores which is frustrating. I like scoping out potential new Australia threats on the horizon (know your enemy etc :P)

Are there many new sensations to watch out for?
Expect Matt Renshaw back in the Baggy Green sooner rather than later. A bowler to watch out for is lefty Nick Winter.. hails from our nations capital and is a swing maestro. I f our selectors had half a brain they would be penciling him in now for next years Ashes. He has taken 34 wkts in only five matches @19. Another Terry Alderman perhaps?

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Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:57 am

Boycs wrote:Depending on how that’s pronounced, there is a surname begging for tabloid headline puns
Yes rather an unfortunate name to be saddled with. German I suspect.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:21 am

Tremain holes out for the second best score of the innings. Fat lady is warming her voice at Blundstone. Bushies almost cooked gooses. Mike I suspect it would be some time since Tassie last made a Shield final?

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Postby MikeR68 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:35 pm

Tassie played in 3 in a row, Defeated NSW 2010-11, Lost to Qld in 2011-12 and defeated Qld in 2012-13.

2012-13 was that disastrous year when Australia were humbled by India and England, "the homework affair" and only NSW born Cowan was selected from either Qld or Tas for higher honours, that explains a lot about that particular series. Another interesting thing is about 2011-12 and 2012-13 were the "future" Australian bowlers Starc and Hazlewood. 2011-12 Starc (ranked No 26) took 15 wicket @35 and was selected for Australia, Hazelwood (ranked No 22) took 17 wickets @ 30 then in 2012-13 he took 24 wickets @ 30 (ranked No 16) then was selected for Australia. Even more confusing was the promotion of Lyon in 2010/11 took 12 wickets @ 43 and was promoted. During that same period and it continued for the future the leading wicket takers in Bird, Sayers, Tremain, Butterworth, Gannon, Michael Hogan who were averaging around 22 yet were by-passed. As you can see some players never have to show performance over a period and are selected based on one-off performances. I certainly hope that isn't a sign for the future, as the poor performances this year by NSW may well see a few promoted to Australia.

Should be a good final with both teams managing 5 outrights for the season, well ahead of any of the other states. Shame Qld can't get the pitch from Wollongong. Who would have thought Marnus Labuschagne would be the leading run scorer for this sheffield shield season with his 2nd century, Charlie Hemphrey on track for his 2nd and averaging 45 for the year, Sam Heazlett averaging 45, not to mention Burns and Renshaw's season. Interesting thing is that all mentioned performed similar or better for the season as what S Smith did in his 3 games, he averaged 44 as well, maybe there is something in that, not many players matched Smith's early performance but they did, and did it consistently over a full season.

On the bowling side Tasmania have 3 of my top bowlers for the season, those being Rogers, Bell and Bird. But Qld do have Neser and Feldman along with the leading all-rounder in Wildermuth and probably the best spinner this season in Swepson. Chris Tremain and Nic Winter would round out my top bowlers.

I was disappointed with Uppal, baggers, looks like he has a problem with spin. On that pitch I was expecting more from him. Good game for Nevill, called the toss correctly, that's about it, but I thought I should give him a positive comment.

Josh Philippe hit the deck with a thump, Baggers, but too little too late for WA, what a difference Joel Paris makes. If WA can win the final game outright they'll jump into 4th on the ladder if NSW V Qld ends in a draw which it should, more batting practice for Qld today, with a tea time end for the game. That would be the way I see the teams if that occurs 1 Qld, 2 Tas, 3 Vic, 4 WA, 5 NSW, 6 SA.

Shame I won't be around to see the final, but I'll check in OS, Baggers. Have a great time at the Comm Games. You should come up earlier and watch two champion teams perform, you must be starved of good quality state level performers, that will most probably never play for Australia. It is always sad to see such performances amount to nothing, for both sides, but one team will hold the shield, may the best one win. Enjoy watching your "baggy greens" Baggers, it should be a lot easier with South Africa not having Kagiso Rabada (get rid of the best and let the mediocre perform, hollow victory really, you want to beat the best with their best) and I'll see you in October, as long as the plane doesn't crash, how I hate this long flight, can't we move Australia closer to Europe!

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Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:36 am

Mike No Comm Games.. Mick is sick so no time off. Have to watch it on the box. You leaving for Europe/UK this week? Enjoy your time there. Hope weather shines on you. They have had some shocking weather.. even given them names Pest From the West.. Putin sent something across from Siberia which almost froze Europe solid so my UK friend told me. Send me reg posts of your travels if you get time Mike. Will miss our cricket chatting mate. Au revoir..Craig
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Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Mar 17, 2018 1:16 am

I do not and have never condoned bias selections Mike. If a bloke does not deserve a call up then he should not get one. There are some like the Waughs, more recenly Hazlewood and Mitch Marsh that get a fast track ride to the top as they have impressed at youth level and there have been hundreds more over the years. Tremain has been ignored for too long.. has to be on the very short list now for a baggy green. If the big three are not performing then make changes. Starc is overated. Gets at least half of all his wickets against the tail.(love to see the exact figures) In the first two tests he has failed to get his swinging yorker working against the openers. I would back that his best performances are on sub continental pitches. Like I say his biggest weapon is to bowlers round the wicket, usually aided by a little reverse swing. When he is on song with this attack he can be very dangerous...almost unplayable. He is our best tail remover. Reckon it is that which makes him irremovable. Bowlers waiting in the wings for a shot at a baggy green.. In this order Tremaine, Sayers, Jhye Richardson, Kane Richardson. Early days for Rogers and Bell. Sorry to say it Mike but IMO Stanlake is over rated. So he does not make my BB list. May well play more ODI or T20. My smokie is Nick Winter. I have tipped him for an Ashes berth next year.
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Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Mar 17, 2018 2:28 am

Mike Labu's reign as the leading rungetter could be short lived as he is about to be overtaken by the season's most consistent opener..Jake Weatherald and the veteran Callum Ferguson. Labu tho is certainly looking good with a big arrow. Is also a specialist close in man which we need badly. Far too many spilled chances there.. Also with the return of Renners we will have a sure handed slipper..unlike the Marsh boys...

I was disappointed with Uppal, baggers, looks like he has a problem with spin.
Mike he got a ripper flipper from seasons best wristie Swepson. The great Warnie would have been proud of that one. Like I said Uppal needs to temper his youthful enhusiasm (Phillipe too). Had he defended that ball instead of trying to whip it on the onside he would have survived. He is fine against spin from occasions I have seen him. Given limited overs cricket is just about all that guys of Uppal's age have played I can see why he tries to play at every ball. Why the heck do our state youth cricketers not play red ball cricket? Baffles me.
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