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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:39 pm

VIC: Marcus Harris, Travis Dean, Glenn Maxwell, Will Pucovski, Aaron Finch (c), Cameron White, Seb Gotch (wk), Chris Tremain, Peter Siddle, Scott Boland, Fawad Ahmed,

NSW: Nick Larkin, Daniel Hughes, Ed Cowan, Kurtis Patterson, Moises Henriques, Param Uppal, Steve O'Keefe, Peter Nevill (c/wk), Trent Copeland, Sean Abbott, Harry Conway.

Yes Uppal to debut.. Maddinson and Stobo axed. Conway and Larkin somehow escape the executioner. Selectors are rather reluctant to sack skippers so Nevill remains. Bushies..no surprises. Expecting Tremain to continue his fab form. Dont know much about this ground. Has been refurbished evidently. Deck looks devoid of grass..should turn later. They have big spinning leggie Ahmed. We have SOK who has trouble turning the ball. Param does bowl off spin tho.
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Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:44 am

Hate a winge. But please tell me when is someone going to get this live stream up to scratch at WACA, Bushie home matches. SACA coverage leaves the rest in the shade.
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Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:50 am

Three early scalps to SOK who still has trouble turning the ball. Perhaps that is why he gets so many of his wickets with outfield catches as batsmen take him too easy. All the same he is a mature, cagey bowler these days. Poor execution tho by some of the Bushie boys. Ever heard of using your feet.
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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Mar 03, 2018 3:54 am

Reckon I am pretty spot on about SOK. He now has 6 of the 7 Bushie wickets to fall today and a majority of them have been field catches. Has pretty much doubled his season wkt tally in one innings.
Another toothless Blues pace attack.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:34 am

Back to club cricket for Larkin.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:49 am

He failed anyway but I am hoping Abbott was nite watchman and was not promoted ahead of Param Uppal.
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Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:19 am

Henriques is incapable of combining two good performances..goes cheaply trapped in front. Hell now Blues rock Kurtis Patterson falls to the best bowler outside of the Test side Chris Tremain. Big chance for Param Uppal to showcase his talent in a dire situation.
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Postby MikeR68 » Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:23 am

I was just going to write finally Uppal comes to bat, big chance for the young bloke, looking forward to seeing him step up, then Patterson and Nevill threw their wickets away. Probably why I don't rate Patterson as a future test player. Marcus Harris though, his century is obviously all class, leading run scorer this season with an average of 48.
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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:26 am

MikeR68 wrote:I was just going to write finally Uppal comes to bat, big chance for the young bloke, looking forward to seeing him step up, then Patterson and Nevill threw their wickets away. Probably why I don't rate Patterson as a future test player.
You may have hit nail on head re Patterson. He is now in his third season and he has a paltry 5 tons 20 half tons. Seems incapable of converting good starts. Captaincy or not Nevill must go and Lenton play in last game. Mike I still can not send you any PMs?
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Postby MikeR68 » Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:31 am

No baggers no PM's. Nevill should have gone before they took the captaincy of Henriques and gave it to Nevill. Uppal going well, couple of nice shots.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:36 am

I have asked admin to look into it. No way to keep this private then unless you give me your email. I have not heard a word from Mick for almost 2 weeks.. complained of heart problems last time we spoke. bit concerned for his welfare and my holiday.

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Postby MikeR68 » Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:39 am

baggygreenmania wrote:I have asked admin to look into it. No way to keep this private then unless you give me your email. I have not heard a word from Mick for almost 2 weeks.. complained of heart problems last time we spoke. bit concerned for his welfare and my holiday.


I too have noticed Mick doesn't post, maybe he is limiting his stress, and being a NSW supporter, it can be stressful.

I will say this for Patterson, when you see Maddinson, gets selected with a 2015/16 average of 30, and 2016/17 average of 33 (how that happens is beyond me), I can't see how Patterson hasn't been selected. He is consistent at getting a good start, but maybe he just gets lazy at the crease, because it did look lazy, his dismissal.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:55 am

Mike where is the Bulls/WA match. should have started by now. Is it raining up there? Also the match from Hobart.

Like look of Uppal.. has that sub cont flair. Is more than capable against spin which is a good sign for the future.

but maybe he just gets lazy at the crease, because it did look lazy, his dismissal. Must not concur here Mike. Not lazy.. a terrific lifting ball from Tremain is how I saw it.
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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:07 am

baggygreenmania wrote:Mike where is the Bulls/WA match. should have started by now. Is it raining up there? Also the match from Hobart. I just looked at CA site. Hobart match is tomorrow while Brissie game is Tuesday. What the.. reason for that?

Like look of Uppal.. has that sub cont flair. Is more than capable against spin which is a good sign for the future.

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Postby MikeR68 » Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:32 am

Tas v SA starts tomorrow

Qld V WA starts Tuesday, and rain is predicted for Brisbane, that is what all the other states want as a draw for Qld keeps them in the hunt to host, mind you very limited BP coming from Vic V NSW.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:38 am

MikeR68 wrote:Tas v SA starts tomorrow

Qld V WA starts Tuesday, and rain is predicted for Brisbane, that is what all the other states want as a draw for Qld keeps them in the hunt to host, mind you very limited BP coming from Vic V NSW.
Yeh i posted above you. Why these scattered starts.. you know reason for this? First time it has happened as I recall.

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Postby MikeR68 » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:02 am

It's poor scheduling for Qld and WA as they will only have 4 day turn around between games whereas NSW and Vic will have a good week off. There is nothing on at the Gabba presently so no reason to not be playing. CA do a lot of strange things.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:37 am

Ok Blues attack show you belong at this level.
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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:39 am

MikeR68 wrote:It's poor scheduling for Qld and WA as they will only have 4 day turn around between games whereas NSW and Vic will have a good week off. There is nothing on at the Gabba presently so no reason to not be playing. CA do a lot of strange things.
To improve the live stream as CA seems unable to manage three coverages at once. Could that be the reason or is it political or just plain odd?

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Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:46 am

Good start. Copeland removes Harris.. Copes is oh so miserly but he does lack wicket taking potency sometimes.

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Postby MikeR68 » Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:07 am

I hear what you're saying Baggers about Copeland, frustrating isn't it? I feel the same way about Hazlewood.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:22 am

MikeR68 wrote:I hear what you're saying Baggers about Copeland, frustrating isn't it? I feel the same way about Hazlewood.
Come off it Mike. Josh has more potency than Copes and a similar miserly run rate.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Mar 04, 2018 4:24 am

I am backing Tremain to hit the 50 wkts tally this season.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Mar 04, 2018 4:52 am

Copes has come good. Bushies in some trouble at stumps..

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Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:01 am

Mike evidently use of more than one live stream coverage at a time is now banned. I tried accessing the Tassie V Redback match and have been told the live stream has been disabled. With scattered starting times we are able to watch more than one game. When Blues game finishes today either Bulls or Tassie match will be live streamed tomorrow.

Rewind Mike. Now the Tigers/Redbacks match is being live streamed. So what was wrong earlier. When I logged into CA live stream was told there only only one game being covered and to make your choice. First time I have seen that. So naturally I assumed the other game was a dud. When I logged into Tigers/Redback game it confirmed that saying the live stream had been disabled. Talk about confusion Cricket Nertwork.
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Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:18 am

Michael Klinger is calling FC cricket quits. The likeable journeyman is picking up his bat and walking away forever after a distinguished career. Klinger has been a fixture in Australian domestic cricket since 1998-99 when he debuted for Victoria and has gone on to play for South Australia and Western Australia as well. At the international level, he played three T20Is for Australia. He will continue with BBL.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby MikeR68 » Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:26 am

baggygreenmania wrote:
MikeR68 wrote:I hear what you're saying Baggers about Copeland, frustrating isn't it? I feel the same way about Hazlewood.
Come off it Mike. Josh has more potency than Copes and a similar miserly run rate.


Sorry to disagree with you Baggers but here at the stats Hazlewood V Copeland, at first class level

Hazlewood 127 innings for 259 wickets (economy rate 2.82) 4 wickets in an innings 9, 5 wickets in an innings 7, and 10 wickets in a match 0

Copeland 142 innings for 283 wickets (economy rate 2.51) 4 wickets in an innings 11, 5 wickets in an innings 14 and 10 wickets in a match 3

Copeland is a far more consistent wicket-taker than Hazlewood otherwise for similar length of playing time you would not expect such a major discrepancy in wicket-taking aspects (we are talking 25 times Copeland has taken 4 or more wickets whereas Josh only 16 times that is a major discrepancy). Josh may have a good bowling spell, but Copeland is consistent over a game thus why he has 3 10 wkts in a match and Josh has yet to do it. Plus Copeland is more miserly, but I personally don't rate economy rates at the longer form of the game as the ability to take wickets is foremost. If it weren't for injury I think Copeland would have had an excellent career in test cricket. And currently 4/55 will be adding to his wicket taking tally, and 3 of the 4 wickets were hitting the stumps. I like that line at the top of off stump making the batsman play.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:37 am

I personally don't rate economy rates at the longer form of the game as the ability to take wickets is foremost. Mike a low economy, as in plenty of maidens, which Josh and Copes pride themselves on, means you are putting pressure on the batsman. Pressure, as in getting inside their head, leads to wickets. I have always rated Copes. 10kph quicker and he would have played more than 3 tests in my view. But again you are comparing one blokes almost full career with one who is barely a third thru his. All I said was Josh is a more potent bowler ie.. faster and stronger and taller with ability to get a good length ball to rare sharply. He was hitting Cummins like speeds yesterday. I like the way Haze is maturing his game.. adapting more to conditions.. trying different things when the deck is offering nothing.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:46 am

Interesting Mike the Tigers are playing four quicks at Blundstone..no spinner. Did you have same problem with live stream?
Gotta feel for Sean Abbott wacking Pucovski in the helmet. It was Sabba who bowled the fatal Hughes ball. Never been the same red ball bowler since in my view.
Gotta say I have enjoyed the last half of the season where the ball is dominating the bat. The Dukes, together with testing decks, ensures a fairer and more exciting encounter in my view. It identifies our best swing bowlers and improves techniques or sorts out poor ones. Play the entire 10 matches with the Dukes I say.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:26 am

Bushies are actually 9 down as Pucovski will not be batting. Blues should have round 300 target to chase. Mike can Blues still make final?

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Postby MikeR68 » Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:37 am

You do realize baggers in the history of Australian bowlers Josh Hazlewood ranks 25th in number of games played, so only 24 bowlers in the history of the game have more experience than Josh, and by the end of this current series he will be in the top 20. So yes you can compare him to other bowlers, and a high percentage of bowlers around him were dropped. The old excuse he's only learning does not apply he has more experienced than most bowlers to wear the baggy green, and there have been a good 150+ bowlers to wear the baggy green.

My question to you is why isn't Josh under pressure? because he is under-performing in comparison to others in the past. I noticed you posted a couple of days ago when someone suggested playing Holland over Hazlewood, you jumped up and said no you drop a batsman, Bancroft if I remember correctly. WTF baggers you of all people would weaken the side to allow Josh to continue to play. So if the question arises we need 2 spinners in a test, you don't drop Starc and Cummins, you don't drop a batsman, You drop Josh because his performance is just not there, he has to stand up now he has more experience than most.

Josh will break records shearly because of the number of games he will get to play. I predict now that at any particular point of time he will never match those around him, he will always be an under-performer because currently he is well and truly behind the eight ball.

eg both Starc and Lawson hit 180 wickets in their 78th bowling innings. Josh will not take 38 wickets in his next 9 bowling innings
eg Alderman took his 170th wicket in 73 innings, Josh will not take 28 wickets in his next 4 innings.
You can no longer hide his performance behind "he's only learning".


I think now pointless bowling a spinner in Blundstone, it's a seamers deck, swinging conditions if the seamers can't do it then no spinner will. South Australia's spinning option is Head, they have 4 seamers as well.

Can NSW make the final, of course they can, The current game doesn't help, I think the max points either NSW or Vic can get from an outright is 7, both will be short of Qld even before Qld's game starts. But this is the final for NSW if they lose they can't make it.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:55 am

Please lets can Hazlewood talk Mike. One last point. Give him tracks conjucive to his ability and bowling style then we will have the full story. Did McGrath and those others you mentioned get to bowl on lifeless roads (apart from GABBA) which has been the case for a good part of Josh's Test career. That is it on Joshua Reginald Hazlewood for now. Plenty of other subjects or people to take about.
I am noticing with the live stream that you are unable to have two coverages going at once. Connect to one and the other disables.
Blues do not deserve to make the final in my view. Better if they dont then it may make selectors wake up and drop some underperforming veterans and look to youth next season. So what are your views on the Dukes?
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Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:09 am

Blunstone does not look that much of a seamers deck this time Mike. Looks to have plenty of runs in it if you apply yourself early. The last three games have been green tops not this one. May regret not going in with Zampa the Redbacks. One of this countries most under rated bowlers, Kane Richardson has two of the three wickets to fall. Both were full piched up late swinging deliveries which the batsman had to play. Richo has been terrific with the red ball the last two seasons before he was injured. Into the 40s overs and the Dukes is hooping. This live stream and SACA are the two best in my view. Almost like watching television.
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Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:05 am

Blues have made a good start as they chase 308 to win. Larkin needs 50 to save his spot I am thinking.

Not sure Ahmed would be all that happy getting spin bowling duties behind Maxwell.
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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby MikeR68 » Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:31 am

Baggers I couldn't agree more. I haven't watched Australia play since 2nd Ashes test, Over paid prima-donnas who wouldn't know hard work if it came up and slapped them in the face, so why waste my time on discussing any of them. The latest footage of Warner in South Africa just confirms what poor sportsmen Australia currently have wearing the "Baggy Green", so much so I feel sorry for Smith, Paine, and Starc, they seem genuinely nice blokes. The footage showing Khawaja and Paine pulling "the mouth" away is disgusting, you can even see Paine telling Warner to shut his trap. And CA throw him millions of dollars.

I have also thrown away my support of the juniors following the debacle of selections in the U19 WC, far too many times I have seen disappointment in the truly deserving juniors and just not the Qlders, many from other states as well and a couple from even NSW, must be school tie thing for them. Even probably going to give away Foxtel, no use for it anymore. Suppose I better get used to cooking competitions.

At least the state shield competition still holds my interest. CA have pretty well destroyed the 50 over game, with the majority played out of the second rate Sydney ovals. If more than one live stream coverage at a time is now banned that is probably CA destroying the shield as well, can't get coverage anywhere else. So if the telecast of T20 is the future, they can have it.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:14 am

[i]Baggers I couldn't agree more. I haven't watched Australia play since 2nd Ashes test.[/i] Mike what is it you could not agree more about? I have made so many posts today. You have not watched an Aussie test match since the second Ashes Test. Why? It is our national side.. should evoke pride regardless of who is selected. We are all Aussies despite coming from different states. Warner is an embarrassment. How he got to be vice captain is beyond me. I also did not like the childish dropping of the ball next to Markram by Lyon..who was oh so ordinary against a team low on morale. He could not even dislodge a #11. Starc a clean skin? He created much of the tension when he spat the dummy and mouthed off at Markram and de Kock or was in de Brain.. pretty much because he was getting smacked all over the shop when reverse swing deserted him. Mike take away his uncanny ability to get late out swing from around the wicket..usually against the tail.. and there is not a lot in his armory.
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Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:09 am

Bailey and Doran got the Tigers back on track. Like I said apply yourself and there are runs to be had. Swing has not been as prolific as recent games. Australia's new swing king Nick Winter broke the partnership.. Doran for a well made 74 then cleaned up George with a pearl of an in swinger.
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Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:45 am

This match is in the Blues hands. They certainly did not need the run out of Patterson who was going along sweetly. Tremain has now castled Param Uppal. Henriques who has hit a belated patch of form is joined by Nevill. 91 to win at lunch..
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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:33 am

Mike seems we judged Warner harshly over that off field incident. Quinton de Kock who has had runs in with officialdom in the past evidently said something disparaging about Warner's wife. That is not on and de Kock should be punished.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:40 am

Kane Richardson has cleaned up overnite men Wade and Rogers as the Tigers go to lunch at 8/380. Winter with another fivefor. Tigers finish on 393.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:40 am

I reckon Ahmed is going to bowl the Bushies to victory. Nevill now playing a lone hand. Nifty is stumped.. Fawad has his michelle and the Blues are done and dusted for the season. Now ring in the changes for next year. An injection of youth is needed.

Redbacks again struggling at the top. Both openers gone.
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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby Katto » Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:53 am

if an Aussie quick goes down injured on the South African tour, Nick Winter should be first on the plane

he might be inexperienced at first class level, but he's 24 already and no spring chicken. he's ready to go now

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:55 am

Katto wrote:if an Aussie quick goes down injured on the South African tour, Nick Winter should be first on the plane
He or Chris Tremain.. Both have been sensational. Winter is our new swing king. I am tipping him for the next Ashes..a left arm Terry Alderman....
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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:46 pm

Mike bad weather is playing havoc with the Bulls/WA game.

Tassie is in a strong position against the Redbacks. Can the Tigers still make the final?

Useful tail runs by Richardson and Winter takes the Redbacks past 200. Richos
32 was the third biggest score.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:28 am

Mike are you able to live stream Bulls/WA match?

Look at that Gabba green top. Warriors will wanna get the Dukes in their hand.
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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:27 am

The Dukes is talking in Hobart. Massive collapse by Tassie.Tigers will need all of this lead.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:27 am

The final day of the penultimate round and the Blues are out. SA and Tassie are battling it out in Hobart and the Bulls look like being denied the points at the Gabba due to the weather. One good thing has come out of this game..a Charlie Hemphrey century.

Redback are still 220+ behind with four top order bats back in the sheds. Can Head and Cooper get them over the line? My money is on the in form Tassie Tigers.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:09 am

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... ss-cricket.

One of the true gentlemen of the gentlemans game. Well played Ed.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:33 am

Look at that Gabba green top. Warriors will wanna get the Dukes in their hand. A day later and still a green top and this time the Bulls want the ball.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:41 am

There is a prime example why Tom Cooper has had a checkered red ball career. Head needed a top order player to stay with him if they were going to chase down these runs. Cooper simply ran out of patience and holes out for 37. Carey can not stay.. Joe Mennie has plenty of fight in him..can he? Travis Head with his second ton of the summer.