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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:00 am

Renshaw back in form on a deck offering the bowler plenty.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:32 am

Qld are a batsman short. Pierson with a FC average @28 and a season average @22 is not a top six standard batsman. Either is Wildermuth @ 27.The Bulls camp could rue this decision to sport a top heavy bowling attack.
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Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:36 am

Blues are off to a solid start in Perth. Larkin needs to bring some of his 2nd X1 form to the table to keep his spot tho. Just as I write that Mitch Marsh has sent him back to the sheds with a beauty.
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Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:50 am

Bulls have fallen into a big hole since lunch with 4 wickets tumbling. Shows you how well the openers batted..specially Renshaw. Word is the English Dukes ball tends to move in the air more once the shine has worn compared to the Aussie Kooka?
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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:22 am

Mitch Marsh is making a mess of the Blues top order.
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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:44 am

Harry Nielsen with a composed ton in only his second FC game has the Redbacks in a strong position at stumps :hatsoff:
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Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:07 am

Fairly even at stumps in Bulls v Tigers match. The lively deck amd the Dukes ball won the day.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:17 am

Blues are struggling against the Warriors just before stumps. Marsh the pick of the attack...

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:08 am

Veteran seamer Trent Copeland has the Blues back in the race with two late Warriors wickets.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:28 am

Jake Doran has well and truly done his apprenticeship and still averages under 30 in FC cricket. This is his best season in a disappointing career following huge wraps as a 17 year old.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:46 am

Gabba still a green top and Feldman is a having a ball.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby MikeR68 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:53 am

Baggers is it a worrying sign when I prefer to watch the Sheffield Shield than the Australian side???? especially following the ODI's. I think you have mis-read one of my previous posts, I wasn't bagging Starc, Cummins and Hazlewood just noticing their poor performances in the ODI's I think you would agree Cummins 7 wickets at 22 was the standout bowler in the ODI's. Hazlewood's economy for which he is known for went missing averaging over 5 an over is so unlike him, and Starc was extremely poor, never seen him bowl worse, 7 wickets at 38. And lets be honest when a spinner is equally as effective as the pace attack in tests in Australia, either the spinner played really well or the pace bowlers under-performed. Sometimes we don't really look closely enough to recognise a potential problem just letting things drift along without working out the problems, until it's too late.

Baggers, you seem to be impressed with Lachlan Pfeffer and rightly so. He has been recently keeping for the futures league, but it took him long enough to get recognition with Hartley and Jimmy Peirson around. I like the idea of letting him play as a batsman, he is a bit of a talent and it has been 8 years since he was last seen in the U19's. Good luck to him. I think it is time to close the book on Charlie Hemphrey and let him go back to the futures league, especially considering Nathan McSweeney was the pick of the Australian U19 batsmen in the World Cup, scoring 211 runs at an average of 70 and from only 4 times at bat. Daylight between McSweeney and the next best in Jack Edwards, in that particular youth side, and McSweeney has been performing in the future's league. It may see his first class debut in the next match.

Luke Feldman is highly under-rated it looks like he is going to score more runs batting than what he conceded bowling and the cream on top is he took 6 wickets doing so. His first class average is comparable to Starc and Cummins yet has remained on no-body's list of top 10 bowlers in Australia. And this year one of the leading wicket takers at an average of 17, better than what Bird is going at. Gabe Bell is on to watch in the future, very promising start to his career.

Jake Weatherald came back to earth with a big thump. But how about Harry Nielsen scoring a century in only his 2nd FC game, the outlook is bright in the wicket keeping department. I've been very disappointed with Mennie and Sayers this year but Tremain is still performing well.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:55 am

Misunderstood you indeed Mike. Read it as their Test performances. Mate I have to say that pyjama cricket leaves me cold these days. I watch T20 purely for the entertainment value.

I was impressed by McSweeny's 156 but he did very little in his further ventures to the crease. " daylite between he and Edwards".. the big lump of a man was our most consistent bat. Can play pace and spin equally well. Not only a hitter as I reckoned he was when I first laid eyes on him.

Give Pfeffer a game with the gloves. Can not do any worse than Pierson. I have always rated Feldman. Should have worn national colors at some stage.. but is getting a bit long in the tooth now to get a call up.
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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:16 am

Gabe Bell, David Grant and Jhye Richardson are our three most promising quicks in my view Mike. Where is our future leftie? No one putting their name up that I can see.

Tremain is the best performed of our non national quicks yet continues to be ignored by selectors. Sayers is tired of being kicked in the guts. Could be reason for form slump. He has been incredible for past two seasons.

Mike what has happened to Tom Healy (son of Ian) ? Showed plenty with the gloves and bat at youth level. Not a word since.

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Postby MikeR68 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:22 am

Tom Healy is still playing for Northern Suburbs up here. He opens the batting and he's the leading run scorer I think for Norths with a century and a couple of 80's. Burns and McSweeney also play for Norths, so you would have to say he still has potential.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:48 am

Thanks for that Mike. Yes there were big wraps on the kid when he played for the U19s several years ago. Must be a nitemare being the son or daughter of a well known sportsperson. check PM.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:51 am

Mickey Edwards has picked up his first FC wicket.. Hilton Cartwright for a beligerent 78.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:35 am

Bulls now in a strong position at second day stumps after a woeful batting effort and a timid bowling display has the Tigers 330+ behind.
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Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:37 am

Big Bear is keeping the Bushrangers in the hunt against the Redbacks after two days.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:20 am

Blues in disarray leading into stumps with Mackin picking up Larkin, Hughes and the eternally disappointing Moises Henriques in the one over. Say sayonara to your career Moie.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby MikeR68 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:06 pm

Yes Baggers, Mr Inconsistency Henriques is definitely is going to be shown the back door if the NSW selectors are honest in their selections. 111 runs @ 12 for the season is hardly a number 4 batsman. I also think you can close the book on Maddinson, Hughes and Patterson potential Australian selection for the next couple of years. Very dismal recent performances by those 3. I still can't get over the fact Maddinson has a baggy green cap, that really is a kick in the guts for a lot of other players in the shield.

The worrying sign though is WA is facing, lets be honest, a club cricket attack, apart from Copeland and Lyon, and Cartwright showed that they are pedestrian, but the poor performances by M Marsh, S Marsh and to a lesser extent Bancroft does not place Australia in good stead leading up to the SA series. I am starting to think far to much was placed on their performances against NSW earlier in the year. For Bancroft that really was the last good performance seen by him for the year, very disappointing in the Ashes series and it appears that form is continuing.

The other worrying sign is Jackson Bird, Qld is having no trouble with his bowling nor did they earlier in the series, especially in comparison to Nesser and Feldman, so how he was selected for Australia in the Ashes and how is he selected for the SA tour is mind boggling. I honestly can not come up with a reason for his selection. Qld has no Burns, Lynn nor Khawaja and he is struggling. Once again far too much emphasis is placed on his performance against NSW which saw him selected for Australia. The good news is that Renshaw seems to be over that form slump we saw earlier in the season lets hope he can continue building on this current performance.

What can you say about Handscomb, really out of form, as well as Mennie and Sayers, both struggling.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:56 pm

Check you PM file (top of page) What is your take on the grassy decks and the use of the Pom ball Mike? The lowish scores in 2 of the 3 games are painting a clear picture.

The Blues had their full test contingent at the time. So I can see CAs point of view. But those blokes picked on the strenghth of those performances have done little since to warrant that selection as you clearly point out.

WA should not be facing a club level attack.. a nonsense that Hazlewood, Cummins and Starc are not playing this game as vital prep for Saffer tour.

Mitch Marsh is in form with the bat and his bowling is improving every game.

Close the book on Maddinson and Henriques yes..perhaps Hughes but definitely not Patterson. Everyone goes thru a lean trot. Where are the next gen top order players in this state. Is it time to blood Jason Sangha or Param Uppal?

If Handscomb bombs out in Sth Africa (if he gets a game) then time to recall Renshaw. Ponting calls Handscomb's technique bizarre yet the Victorian says he is not changing anything. Where is the batting coach? He should be insisting he return to domestic cricket or even premier cricket and work on adjusting to a more traditional technique.
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Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:08 am

How well is the Big Bear Cameron White travelling this year 4 innings..298 runs (and climbing). Has a commanding ton (131* and he alone is keeping the Bushrangers in this match. His FC career average of @40 with 21 tons plus 195 wkts is not too shabby. Makes you wonder why he has only played 4 Test matches.
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Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:32 am

Nick Winter also having a good Shield debut. Looks a good prospect the Canberra lefty. Took 21 wickets in three Future games early last season. He now has his first Michelle. Well bowled young fellar.
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Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:07 am

How long can the Blues selectors continue to pick a bloke with a @29 average (2017/18) at #6. It exposes the competitions longest tail far too early.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:17 am

White holes out on 149 to get the Bushies to almost parity with the Redback score. Entertaining stuff except for the ridiculous last half dozen overs where Bear did what he liked due to the defensive fields. Cooper should have been trying to get him out by employing some close fielders not offering him easy singles.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:28 am

Blues top six again unable to cope with the conditions. Handing this game to the Warriors. !!! Time for changes.
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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby MikeR68 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:36 am

baggygreenmania wrote:Check you PM file (top of page) What is your take on the grassy decks and the use of the Pom ball Mike? The lowish scores in 2 of the 3 games are painting a clear picture.

The Blues had their full test contingent at the time. So I can see CAs point of view. But those blokes picked on the strenghth of those performances have done little since to warrant that selection as you clearly point out.

WA should not be facing a club level attack.. a nonsense that Hazlewood, Cummins and Starc are not playing this game as serious prep for Saffer tour.

Mitch Marsh is in form with the bat and his bowling is improving every game.

Close the book on Maddinson and Henriques yes..perhaps Hughes but definitely not Patterson. Everyone goes thru a lean trot. Where are the next gen top order players in this state. Is it time to blood Jason Sangha or Param Uppal?

If Handscomb bombs out in Sth Africa (if he gets a game) then time to recall Renshaw. Ponting calls Handscomb's technique bizarre yet the Victorian says he is not changing anything. Where is the batting coach? He should be insisting he return to domestic cricket or even premier cricket and work on adjusting to a more traditional technique.


With regards to the Duke ball, I have never examined one, and I can't understand why there is so much difference in the movement, must have something to do with the leather making process. Regardless the only good performances are by the test discards in Cartwright, Ed Cowan, Cameron White and Renshaw but Jimmy Peirson showed why he is a favoured Australian selection in a couple of years, he's showing a smart head with the captaincy as well, manages his bowlers well.

Patterson only averaging 27 from 12 innings this season, so I doubt that even if he scored a century it should warrant potential selection for Australia. He needs to prove over the next couple of seasons he can be consistent same for Hughes and Maddinson. That's the problem some selections are based on 1 or 2 performances, rather than 1 or 2 seasons of good performances. Which is ultimately the problem for Handscomb, not enough at shield level.

Your No 6 Nevill gone Baggers, and now Copeland retired hurt, there goes the only quality bowler for NSW.

Time to blood Param Uppal for NSW, the only spinner that may pressure Lyon over the next few years and he can bat. Was impressed with him in the world cup especially in the final, the one that really mattered. Along with Merlo and McSweeney, they were ones that got a competitive total after Edwards, Bryant and Sangha failed after 10 overs. I put Edwards in there because anyone could see Sangha was struggling and Edwards played a poor shot and got out and Sangha followed a few balls later. Poor reading of the game by Edwards, IMO. A great innings from Merlo particularly and great support from Uppal and later McSweeney got them to the 40 overs by playing sensible cricket, and after McSweeney went... nothing from the rest. It could have been very embarrassing for the young blokes if it weren't for those 3, but they got a good total but ultimately Hadley, Evans and Sutherland bowled poorly, but Param bowled well. Player of the final for Australia IMO. He is a quality player who should be given an opportunity and NSW have lots of positions available for the young bloke.

True Baggers that NSW had a full test contingency when they played WA, but really NSW would have lost that game if it weren't for the heroics of, yet again, Steve Smith (scored over 200 runs in that particular match). He must get tired of carrying all these players careers on his shoulders, poor fellow, he fails, such as in the ODI's, Australia fails.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:13 am

The jury is still out for me on Pierson. Will leave it at that Mike. You are rubbing that in my face .. Nevill at #6. At the time he was making lots of runs.. not now. So he should be batting where all keepers should bat.. #7. Selctors should move Henriques on at end of this game and give Uppal his debut. I did say like many Patterson is having a lean trot. He has the talent to bounce back. Will not be nor should he be picked for national duty this year. Mike. as i understand it, the Dukes is hand made unlike the machine made Kooka. It has a thicker laquer and a wider, longer seam. This translates to early movement off the surface or in the air later in the innings even when the shine has worn. Winter removed his second and third victims with late swing in the 38th and 40th overs.
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Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:27 am

It exposes the competitions longest tail far too early.

Got it spot on. Cowan trying to salvage something from this train wreck batting with the tail in just the 36th over.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:19 am

Mike tell me how Wildermuth and Neser get to be in this Bulls attack ahead of Ben Cutting?

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:06 am

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baggygreenmania wrote:[b] What is your take on the grassy decks and the use of the Pom ball Mike? The lowish scores in 2 of the 3 games are painting a clear picture.

The Blues had their full test contingent at the time. So I can see CAs point of view. But those blokes picked on the strenghth of those performances have done little since to warrant that selection as you clearly point out.

WA should not be facing a club level attack.. a nonsense that Hazlewood, Cummins and Starc are not playing this game as serious prep for Saffer tour.

Mitch Marsh is in form with the bat and his bowling is improving every game.

Close the book on Maddinson and Henriques yes..perhaps Hughes but definitely not Patterson. Everyone goes thru a lean trot. Where are the next gen top order players in this state. Is it time to blood Jason Sangha or Param Uppal?

If Handscomb bombs out in Sth Africa (if he gets a game) then time to recall Renshaw. Ponting calls Handscomb's technique bizarre yet the Victorian says he is not changing anything. Where is the batting coach? He should be insisting he return to domestic cricket or even premier cricket and work on adjusting to a more traditional technique.


With regards to the Duke ball, I have never examined one, and I can't understand why there is so much difference in the movement, must have something to do with the leather making process. Regardless the only good performances are by the test discards in Cartwright, Ed Cowan, Cameron White and Renshaw but Jimmy Peirson showed why he is a favoured Australian selection in a couple of years, he's showing a smart head with the captaincy as well, manages his bowlers well.

Patterson only averaging 27 from 12 innings this season, so I doubt that even if he scored a century it should warrant potential selection for Australia. He needs to prove over the next couple of seasons he can be consistent same for Hughes and Maddinson. That's the problem some selections are based on 1 or 2 performances, rather than 1 or 2 seasons of good performances. Which is ultimately the problem for Handscomb, not enough at shield level.

Your No 6 Nevill gone Baggers, and now Copeland retired hurt, there goes the only quality bowler for NSW.

Time to blood Param Uppal for NSW, the only spinner that may pressure Lyon over the next few years and he can bat. Was impressed with him in the world cup especially in the final, the one that really mattered. Along with Merlo and McSweeney, they were ones that got a competitive total after Edwards, Bryant and Sangha failed after 10 overs. I put Edwards in there because anyone could see Sangha was struggling and Edwards played a poor shot and got out and Sangha followed a few balls later. Poor reading of the game by Edwards, IMO. A great innings from Merlo particularly and great support from Uppal and later McSweeney got them to the 40 overs by playing sensible cricket, and after McSweeney went... nothing from the rest. It could have been very embarrassing for the young blokes if it weren't for those 3, but they got a good total but ultimately Hadley, Evans and Sutherland bowled poorly, but Param bowled well. Player of the final for Australia IMO. He is a quality player who should be given an opportunity and NSW have lots of positions available for the young bloke.

True Baggers that NSW had a full test contingency when they played WA, but really NSW would have lost that game if it weren't for the heroics of, yet again, Steve Smith (scored over 200 runs in that particular match). He must get tired of carrying all these players careers on his shoulders, poor fellow, he fails, such as in the ODI's, Australia fails.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby MikeR68 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:02 pm

baggygreenmania wrote:Mike tell me how Wildermuth and Neser get to be in this Bulls attack ahead of Ben Cutting?


Neser is different to Cutting as he is primarily a bowler and has been around for a while without being spectacular but currently is at the most productive age for a bowler IMO 27 years of age. His record this year does speak for him...... 5 matches 20 wickets at 20 average and most importantly his strike rake is 39 which based on the top 10 wicket takers this year, so far, only Feldman rates better. He is a wicket-taker, so he is selected.

Wildermuth V Cutting, good question however Wildermuth Batting: 28 av, Bowling 28. For Cutting Batting 23 av Bowling 28. So there is a slight favouritism for Wildermuth with this in mind. But Cutting has experience and is in really good form with regards to T20 performance so there is that argument but Wildermuth is only 24 and is the future and has performed better at FC level then Cutting. That is the difference between Qld and NSW, we sort of don't let reputations and media hype influence decisions, on field performance are the priority. This year Wildermuth ranks in the top 20 wicket takers and top 25 run scorers which is probably where you want to see an all-rounder and currently I can't think of a single true all-rounder that has performed better this year. Marsh, Cartwright, Head, Henriques (LOL I don't mean to insult the others) haven't done much with the ball.

But I know where you're coming from, but I really think Qld are developing players for the future and personally I think they're selecting well as I never expected Qld after 6 rounds to be top of the table (They still need 4 wickets to do that of course) and when you look at the side even this current team are a mob of no-names, not rated by others but they're winning. Many so called experts rated Qld no chance without Khawaja, Qld have proven they really don't need Khawaja to be competitive.

NSW could do the same but they really let reputations dictate selection. Henriques was captain but he's been stripped of that role but look who they gave it to Nevill. Personally I agree with you that Patterson is the only true automatic selection for NSW, not worthy of Australian selection, of course, but is a good shield level performer, and should be captain. You have Lenton who keeps wicket for Futures and bats well at No 4 if I remember correctly, Nevill is out of form why not try Lenton? You talk about Jason Sangha about how he is big around club cricket in Sydney but I believe his one Futures game he scored 14 and 6. Do you really think he is ready for the step up to shield? The media never talk about Justin Avendano, Nick Bertus, Anthony Adlam who have been performing in Futures, Avendano a big 200 to his name recently I'd be giving him a go. Big media hype around Arjun Nair, hasn't performed yet and his recent game in the futures wasn't spectacular against the Qlder's which for the record Baggers WE WON.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:03 am

I have always rated Cuts Mike. He is a traditional opening bowler. He was well and truly on the radar for Test selection several years ago but was cruelled by injury. He then had to battle back up the pecking order to regain his former status. But it seemed the selectors had moved passed him. Now he is pigeon holed as a limited overs player when he is much better than this. Neser is developing but averages over 30 while Wildermuth is one of these bits and pieces players. Is Qld cricket not producing future Test bowlers ala McDermott and Rackerman. From what I have seen of their youngsters, Dogget, Bartlett and one or two others.. I say not. Come to think of it Qld have not produced all that many Test pacemen.. Name me five Mike since the 70s. (I tried PMing you.. re something in April please answer me )
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Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:21 am

Gotta agree about media hype.. does it have a positive or negative affect on a young player? These two Sangha and Nair no doubt have abundant talent but they are still kids learning their trade. The media seem to forget this and heap so much pressure of expectation on them. Yes where are the likes of Lenton, Avendano, Bertus, Adlam. What is the point of having this second tier comp (Futures) if their performances are not recognised. Another was Harry Evans. Couple of years back he was scoring big in PL and FL but never got a FC start to my knowledge. Next thing I see him playing in Tassie. PS: Where is Khawaja?

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Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:28 am

Poor old Tassie.. rolled by 200+ runs by your mob Mike. Feldman MOM.

Bird could be in doubt for Saffer tour with a hamstring problem. Will they make a knee jerk selection and pick Stanlake as his replacement.. in stead of the more worthy Chadd Sayers?
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Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:34 am

An intriguing finish is on the cards for the Redbacks/Bushies match with the South Aussies setting the Vics a 251 target from 71 overs..

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Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:52 am

In first five overs of the second innings not one swinging delivery from the Dukes ball.

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Postby MikeR68 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:51 am

Baggers I have nothing in my private messages from you, try again if you will.

Khawaja is sitting back with Warner et al watching their cartoons on their Oled TVs, using the most of their time preparing for SA. NOT!

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Postby Katto » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:59 am

baggygreenmania wrote:In first five overs of the second innings not one swinging delivery from the Dukes ball.


I rest my case

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Postby Katto » Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:00 am

missed his calling

Before this match Wade had only taken one first class wicket, but he jumped into action when called upon by captain George Bailey in Queensland’s second innings. He had Bulls skipper Jimmy Peirson caught for 61, Mitchell Swepson caught for a duck and he trapped Ben Doggett LBW for 10.

It gave the gloveman the incredible figures of 3/13 from just 3.4 overs.

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Postby MikeR68 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:13 am

5 Queensland bowlers to represent Australia since 1970's McDermott, Bichel, Kasperowicz, Rackemann, Mitch Johnson was first selected from QLD, Scott Muller

That's the bias that exists in selection look at Joe Dawes as an example 286 wickets @ 25 never got a look in.
Ashley Noffke nearly 400 FC wickets got to represent once in ODI never got a look in played at the same time as Stuart Clark and Knoffke finished with the better FC record, who got to represent Australia, Stuart Clark.

Dirk Tazelaar who finished with a better FC record than Mike Whitney and they played at the same time, who got to represent Australia, Mike Whitney. James Hopes spans 2002 to 2016.

The thing is with Qld they were all exceptional bowlers and their careers span at least a decade with overlap... Bichel and Kasprowicz partnership span from 1990 to 2008 during that time Dawes 1997-2005, Knoffke 2000-2010. McDermott played 1983/1995. Queensland do produce the numbers but those they select produce at such a high quality that they dominate selection and were rarely injured. During the Bichel Kasper era Qld won the shield 6 times and competed in the final an additional 5 times. They dominated, and you have to be honest Bichel was never given an opportunity the perennial 12th man played his 19 tests over a 7 year period. I was a big fan of Brett Lee, but his FC career pales in comparison to Bichel and they played at the same time, but Lee was given the long opportunity to prove himself.

Currently they have Feldman since 2010 and as I pointed out early his FC record is better than Starc and Cummins. Another name was Alister McDermott who also has a better FC record than Starc and Cummins, but for some unknown reason Qld didn't renew his contract and he hasn't been seen since, no idea what went on there. Gannon is another that Qld have demoted and his FC record matches Starc. Starting to see why Queenslanders don't rate the current Australian attack, they just don't match up to our high expectations, we drop players of the calibre of Starc and Cummins, we don't promote them.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:31 am

Baggers I have nothing in my private messages from you, try again if you will.It appears you are not accepting PMs as there is nothing in my Sent File Mike. This is coming up when I tried to reply to your PM. The requested users (MikeR68) to be added do not exist..
You can just name 5 Qld pacemen. Not a whole lot is it. I agree on Tazelaar and Noffke. Noffke specially as he had real talent in my view. I am also with you on Hopes.. better than Watson.. but only got to wear national colors when Watto was injured. Bichel was a beauty as well. Very under rated.

Starting to see why Queenslanders don't rate the current Australian attack, they just don't match up to our high expectations, we drop players of the calibre of Starc and Cummins, we don't promote them.

I love this as a comeback line Mike.. precious.
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Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:45 am

Bushies require 143 in the last session. Could be some entertainment later on with the Bear and Handscomb at the crease..

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Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:29 am

Worrall playing into Bushies hands by bowling some rubbish.

Unless Winter can get the ball to swing like in first innings Vics should canter this in.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:37 am

Even Winter is not swinging the ball. Deck is now a belter so just a matter of time
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Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:57 am

Winter is bowling without luck. Dontya just love the calm head Cam White brings to his cricket.. All his experience is being shown as he anchors this run chase.
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Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:01 am

Cooper has hoisted the white flag by bowling himself and fellow part timer Lehmann in tandem.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:52 am

A ton by Pete Handscomb powers the Bushies home by 6 wickets.

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Postby MikeR68 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:59 pm

Still not a fan of the points system in the shield, Baggers. How Victoria sit No 4 following their first win of the season is hard to fathom. The old system was by far a fairer system. That would have the following
Qld 20
NSW 18
Tas 16
WA 14
Vic 12
SA 10
The new points system glosses over how well Tasmania have performed with 2 outrights and a couple of first innings victories in drawn matches after all weather still plays a role. It also promotes batsmen throwing the bat instead of knuckling down and playing a solid knock.

Amazed with the Handscomb accolades following his century, even accounting for that, it hasn't been an overly impressive season for him.

Next round of matches will be very interesting Victoria hosting Queensland with an outright victory by Victoria could see Victoria jump into 2nd if NSW lose or draw against SA and Tas win or draw against WA. I wonder if the test players will be available this would be the last chance to get match practice in prior to leaving.

This upcoming series against SA is going to be the make or break for the current Australian side. Following the 3-0 loss to Sri Lanka and the drawn series against Bangladesh the current Australian team has probably earned the title of worst team since 1989. To lose against SA in SA, something Australia hasn't done since SA re-introduction, will confirm the title and questions will be asked. There will be questions asked on Smith's captaincy which is unfortunate considering he is probably the best batsman we have had since 1989, he doesn't deserve the criticism.

Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be much going around in batsmen, apart from Burns, Cartwright, Maxwell and Jake Lehmann who average over 40 in the first class arena, Australia only have most batsmen capable of a 30-35 average at test level.
With the bowlers Queensland have to start playing Billy Stanlake more regularly to develop him but not at the expense of the 23 year old Doggart who does seem to be developing presently. WA keep producing world class fast bowlers for some reason keep breaking down so maybe it is time to look at the WA conditioners. Losing Behrendorff was a major blow for Australian test cricket. Joel Paris is taking a long time to recover. But they have now got Kelly who is proving to be more productive than Jhye Richardson who is very promising. Gabe Bell is also performing well for TAS, so lots to choose from in youthful bowlers. Hopefully Pattinson will overcome his lower back injury soon, Australia misses a bowler that strikes at 46 deliveries.

Baggers you haven't forgotten about our wager regarding Josh Hazlewood have you? Can he take the remaining 11 wickets in 4 innings? For the record at the 70 innings mark (not 71 innings like Josh will have) Mitchell Johnson had 163, McGrath had 166 wickets and McDermott had 184. Even big Merv had 155 and the legendary Geoff Lawson who as a bowler makes a great Optometrist had 164.