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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:10 am

Did you hear that on live stream? Matty Renshaw has won the replacement batsman spot over Joey Burns.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby Katto » Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:21 am

seems logical

we probably need to replace at least 3 batsmen though

obviously Handscomb will come in, then 2 more spots to fill with flyovers

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby Katto » Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:25 am

I get this message now
"No live passes currently available in your region"

it used to work but no longer. I guess its no longer free.
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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:25 am

Katto wrote:seems logical

we probably need to replace at least 3 batsmen though

obviously Handscomb will come in, then 2 more spots to fill with flyovers
Two more spots.. will there be.. why then is Joe Burns not on the plane too.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:26 am

Katto wrote:I get this message now
"No live passes currently available in your region"

it used to work but no longer
really that is a bugger. Where is that South Aussie?

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby Katto » Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:27 am

baggygreenmania wrote:
Katto wrote:I get this message now
"No live passes currently available in your region"

it used to work but no longer
really that is a bugger. Where is that South Aussie?

I think its no longer free?

I was unable to watch the match in Glenelg last week either.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:42 am

Katto wrote:
baggygreenmania wrote: really that is a bugger. Where is that South Aussie?

I think its no longer free?

I was unable to watch the match in Glenelg last week either.
Yep still free. Have to have a CA Australian Cricket Family account.
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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:44 am

Renshaw is celebrating his return to a Baggy Green by punishing the Tigers attack.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby Katto » Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:14 am

baggygreenmania wrote:
Katto wrote:I think its no longer free?

I was unable to watch the match in Glenelg last week either.
Yep still free. Have to have a CA Australian Cricket Family account.


hmm I have an account but no longer works for me :?

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:33 am

Katto wrote:
baggygreenmania wrote: Yep still free. Have to have a CA Australian Cricket Family account.


hmm I have an account but no longer works for me :?
That is odd. Too late now but next season prior to start contact CA and tell them.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby Katto » Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:42 am

baggygreenmania wrote:
Katto wrote:
hmm I have an account but no longer works for me :?
That is odd. Too late now but next season prior to start contact CA and tell them.


Maybe its a cookie issue. maybe they think I'm overseas when I'm not.
I've never logged into it using a proxy.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby Katto » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:36 am

I really hope Lehmann doesn't end up coaching the SACAs
nobody wants to see a return to the days of the SACA spuds drinking West End all day in the pavillion

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:24 am

Katto wrote:I really hope Lehmann doesn't end up coaching the SACAs
nobody wants to see a return to the days of the SACA spuds drinking West End all day in the pavillion
Siddons is current coach isnt he? Whoever it is has done a good job with the personell they have..selectors tho have to start bringing down the axe on their underperforming batsmen. I would keep Weatherald and Ferguson. The rest are too inconsistent. Cooper in particular.
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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby Katto » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:25 am

Kerry OKeefe on the back page :lmao:

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby Katto » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:26 am

baggygreenmania wrote:
Katto wrote:I really hope Lehmann doesn't end up coaching the SACAs
nobody wants to see a return to the days of the SACA spuds drinking West End all day in the pavillion
Siddons is current coach isnt he? Whoever it is has done a good job with the personell they have..selectors tho have to start bringing down the axe on their underperforming batsmen. I would keep Weatherald and Ferguson. The rest are too inconsistent. Cooper in particular.


Cooper is frustrating. He seems to score either single figures or a century.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:29 am

Katto wrote:
baggygreenmania wrote: Siddons is current coach isnt he? Whoever it is has done a good job with the personell they have..selectors tho have to start bringing down the axe on their underperforming batsmen. I would keep Weatherald and Ferguson. The rest are too inconsistent. Cooper in particular.


Cooper is frustrating. He seems to score either single figures or a century.
There was young teen Patrick Page I saw play in Redbacks under 19 side a few years ago. What has happened to him. There were huge wraps on him at the time. Another bloke who has impressed me is quick David Grant. He bowled beautifully in a CAX1 v SAffer game I think it was. Castled Hashim Amla with a pearler of a ball. I know it is hard to crack the Redbacks attack.. but he should be considered for a more permanent berth shortly.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby MikeR68 » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:39 pm

Congratulations to Queensland on winning the sheffield shield, and to finish the season with 7 outrights matching their performance in 2011/12, well done to a group of kids that everyone wrote off at the beginning of the season. So much for the idiots that suggested that Queensland would fail without Khawaja. Khawaja was playing in the only game they lost this season. Reading through the posts, because I'm not allowed to view cricket.com here in the UK, the final to me is just a way for the public to congratulate their team. Qld won the shield in the final game against NSW but the presentation would have meant nothing if it was presented at Woolongong where a couple of dogs chasing a cat were present. There is no need for a final game, maybe as an opportunity for the 2nd placed team to get an opportunity for an upset, but that won't happen much.

At least with the current problems occurring we're not seeing a repeat of 2011/12 where Qlders were overlooked for promotion to the Australian side. Well done to Burns and Renshaw for their call-up. And also Maxwell.

You remember 2011/12 season don't you Baggers when NSW finished 5th with only 1 outright win? When Philip Hughes, Usman Khawaja, Maddinson, Steve Smith, Henriques, Peter Nevil, O'Keefe, Starc, Hazlewood, Copeland all played the full season. That's right only 1 outright, but all got the call-up. Let's hope that garbage has finished now for good.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:42 pm

You remember 2011/12 season don't you Baggers when NSW finished 5th with only 1 outright win? When Philip Hughes, Usman Khawaja, Maddinson, Steve Smith, Henriques, Peter Nevil, O'Keefe, Starc, Hazlewood, Copeland all played the full season. That's right only 1 outright, but all got the call-up. Let's hope that garbage has finished now for good.

I wanna congratulate the Bulls too Mike. Well deserved win by a bunch of kids. I also hope that we never again see the likes of what happened in 2011/12. No room for blatant biased selections in Australian cricket. Changes are already happening with more interstaters now getting a deserved Baggy Green. Remember this is Burns and Renshaw's second coming. Last year Handscomb made his debut as did Ferguson and Rennie before being cruelly discarded. But still got their chance. Blues should be picked only if it is warranted not because of the color of the cap they wear.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby MikeR68 » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:50 pm

Thanks baggers for your updates of the shield final here as I can't get access to cricket.com over here. Baggers I am happy for Burns and Renshaw, but I would be equally happy for players like Doran, Head, Weatherald, even Harris who has been one of the leading run scorers in the last 2 seasons or any player that has shown consistency over seasons not just an odd game, like Ferguson, or Cartwright. I just can't abide by selections because of a handful of games or maybe 1 season after a couple of seasons of average performances, or as you put it fast-tracking. Prove it first then select. As an example Michael Neser QLD player of the year last year, 2nd leading wicket taker this year, but he's still not ready IMO due to the fact of his poor start to his career. A good season next year though he may come into it for the Ashes.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:23 pm

Mike yes Neser is a big improver. But not second leading wicket taker before the final. Boland was. Genuine stats finish end of season proper. Ferguson finished on top in batting .Rogers and Winter were the real surprise packets for me. Where have they both been? Tipping Winter for an Ashes berth next year. Could be anything on their decks with the Dukes.. another Terry Alderman? Ferguson and Mennie were not picked on an odd game? But for years of consistency. What I cant abide is picking a bloke.. giving him one lousy game and discarding him. That stinks. Reckon Renners and Joe got the nod other than for outstanding form and match fitness, more the fact they have been there before so know what to expect. But what pressure on the two to perform this time under these circumstances. A good test of character for sure. Mate did you get my last PM?

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby Tinsel » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:08 am

What you think Finch as Australian test captain,he is interested

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby Paddles » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:57 am

Tinsel wrote:What you think Finch as Australian test captain,he is interested

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He wants the ODI captain job, and presumably T20 job.

I'm not sure he has the weight of runs to get into test selection contention, unless they bring him in just to captain.

The Australian ODI side (which was already squeezing out the likes of Khawaja) will be affected by Smith and Warner's absence far less than the test team. Non test match candidates like Finch, Lynn, and Head and the ability to stack allrounders like Stoinis, M Marsh, A Agar and even Maxwell provide many options for the Australian odi cricket team. There is also the hope of the continued development of a player like Darcy Short (who is struggling in the IPL right now).

So even if takes some tweaking to balance and structure, Australia has the resources to put out a good odi team still. Which NZ would struggle to do if NZC lost 2 of Guptill, KW and Taylor. We just totally lack (enough) high quality replacement options (even in restructuring the team).

But the Australian test team was already struggling to provide Warner an opening partner, Khawaja to lock down the #3 spot in all conditions, and kept dabbling with Handscombe and Shaun Marsh at 5.

So in the last test match, not a single player in the top 5 was a certain selection.

1 Renshaw
2 Burns
3 Khawaja (misses Asian games)
4 Handscombe (dropped during Ashes)
5 S Marsh (recalled for the Ashes)

I am pretty sure Cricket Australia will simply choose the 5 best test batsmen they have left, and pick a captain from that, or continue with Tim Paine.

I'll be very interested to see what Australia does at 6 with this weakened test batting line up up top. Do they continue with M Marsh, or further stack the batting?

I think the Australian test team is in for one helluva challenging year, and it will take some serious selector skill to get this right.
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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby Katto » Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:35 am

Khawaja should go back to opening
he's a genuine opener, not a #3

his stuttered starts are typical of opening bats

Handscomb should be consigned to the scrap heap

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:53 am

Persevere wih Renshaw and Burns, so Ussie stays at #3. Agree on Handscomb. Without Smithy for Indian series we need a more reliable middle order batsman. Someone who values his wicket. I would go with an old head.. say George Bailey or Callum Ferguson. Unlike our bowlers there was no shield batsman that bashed down the door but these two have been consistent past several seasons. Unless Mitch Marsh is rated the sixth best batsman in the country we should be choosing a specialist bat at #6. Tim Paine is just what this fractured team needs now. He should remain as keeper and captain.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:59 am

New Aussie contract list:
Ashton Agar, Alex Carey, Pat Cummins, Aaron Finch, Peter Handscomb, Josh Hazlewood, Travis Head, Usman Khawaja, Nathan Lyon, Glenn Maxwell, Shaun Marsh, Mitchell Marsh, Tim Paine, Matthew Renshaw, Jhye Richardson, Kane Richardson, Billy Stanlake, Mitchell Starc, Marcus Stoinis, Andrew Tye.

In: Alex Carey, Shaun Marsh, Tim Paine, Jhye Richardson, Kane Richardson, Marcus Stoinis, Andrew Tye

Out: Cameron Bancroft, Jackson Bird, Hilton Cartwright, James Pattinson, Steven Smith, Matthew Wade, David Warner, Adam Zampa

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:10 am

Why was Mitchell Swepson not contracted in place of Zampa? A wristie is a proven valuable asset in all forms of cricket. Baffling choice leaving out one. Most of the new recruits, Carey, Kane Richardson, Stoinis and Tye will not even make our Test side. Stanlake, and Maxwell and Head too. Agar will only line up in the tests if two spinners are needed.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby Katto » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:13 am

baggygreenmania wrote:Why was Mitchell Swepson not contracted in place of Zampa? A wristie is a proven valuable asset in all forms of cricket. Baffling choice leaving out one. Most of the new recruits, Carey, Kane Richardson, Stoinis and Tye will not even make our Test side. Stanlake, and Maxwell and Head too. Agar will only line up in the tests if two spinners are needed.

Swepson has never played an international
untested, unproven

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby raja » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:23 pm

Katto wrote:Handscomb should be consigned to the scrap heap


Not so long ago, he was the greatest thing since Greg Chappell.

In the matter of a year, he's now scrap material? :grin:

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby raja » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:25 pm

I've only seen Stoinis in the shorter formats but I think he has potential even for Tests.
Reminds me of Freddie Flintoff, without the bowling skills.
Maybe give him a chance when BCCI tour later this year?

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:44 pm

Katto wrote:
baggygreenmania wrote:Why was Mitchell Swepson not contracted in place of Zampa? A wristie is a proven valuable asset in all forms of cricket. Baffling choice leaving out one. Most of the new recruits, Carey, Kane Richardson, Stoinis and Tye will not even make our Test side. Stanlake, and Maxwell and Head too. Agar will only line up in the tests if two spinners are needed.

Swepson has never played an international
untested, unproven
So was every player chosen for their first contract and first Test.
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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:53 pm

raja wrote:
Katto wrote:Handscomb should be consigned to the scrap heap


Not so long ago, he was the greatest thing since Greg Chappell.

In the matter of a year, he's now scrap material? :grin:


raja Handscomb has technique problems. I wrote of this when he first came onto the scene. He stays too far back in his crease when facing so is susceptible to the pitched up ball. Also a glaring weakness is he does not always cover his off stump. He is a walking wicket.
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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:55 pm

raja wrote:I've only seen Stoinis in the shorter formats but I think he has potential even for Tests.
Reminds me of Freddie Flintoff, without the bowling skills.
Maybe give him a chance when BCCI tour later this year?
Stoinis has had a poor last 6 months. Could not buy a run in Shield. Hilton Cartwright deserved to keep his contract. He has been treated shabbily IMO.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby Katto » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:50 am

baggygreenmania wrote:
Katto wrote:Swepson has never played an international
untested, unproven
So was every player chosen for their first contract and first Test.

contracted players are proven players, that's why they're given contracts

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:03 am

Katto wrote:
baggygreenmania wrote: So was every player chosen for their first contract and first Test.

contracted players are proven players, that's why they're given contracts
You dont think Swepson has proven himself? Zampa had an horrific FC record yet got a contract. Proved a fine limited overs bowler. Expect Swepson would do something similar finally working his way into the Test team when a position became available.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby Katto » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:17 am

baggygreenmania wrote:
Katto wrote:contracted players are proven players, that's why they're given contracts
You dont think Swepson has proven himself? Zampa had an horrific FC record yet got a contract. Proved a fine limited overs bowler. Expect Swepson would do something similar finally working his way into the Test team when a position became available.


no I don't think he has because there's a vast difference between Sheffield Shield and international level
Zampa's situation is irrelevant, its not an either or scenario here

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby Paddles » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:22 am

baggygreenmania wrote:
raja wrote:I've only seen Stoinis in the shorter formats but I think he has potential even for Tests.
Reminds me of Freddie Flintoff, without the bowling skills.
Maybe give him a chance when BCCI tour later this year?
Stoinis has had a poor last 6 months. Could not buy a run in Shield.


This may be so, but he was a shining light for the Aussie ODI team that struggled and lost regularly against India and England in 2017/18.

He averaged over 50 with the bat, with 4 half centuries in 10 games, at a SR of 100, batting mostly at number 6. His bowling was useful enough for a 5th and 6th bowling option, sharing overs with M Marsh, and the possibility of sharing further overs with Maxwel and even Head, conceding an ER of 6.1 in a very high scoring summer, and he continues to be used for nearly 6 overs per match. Think 6.1 is too high? Stokes went went for 6.5 and was in the ICC ODI team of the year for 2017 with 14 wickets in 15 games (though he had a great year with the bat).

Yes, he is no Flintoff with the ball in hand, but Flintoff is an ATG ODI cricketer, and like Cairns, a bowler first and foremost. Stoinis looks at present not to rival these guys standing in tests, as he just lacks the bowling ability. But some players just shine better in white ball cricket and Stoinis however, with the bat alone in ODI, is proving his worth, and his bowling is not lousy. He has proven regularly to be a useful option, even if he goes for plenty too often for a frontline bowler. He was arguably Australia's best bowler in the T20 final in Eden Park, and the most economical bowler again for Australia in the 3rd match of the series.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/1088 ... y-2017-18/

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/1088 ... y-2017-18/

He is a genuine batting allrounder in the ODI format. And he had a very good second season.
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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:39 am

This may be so, but he was a shining light for the Aussie ODI team that struggled and lost regularly against India and England in 2017/18.

He averaged over 50 with the bat, with 4 half centuries in 10 games, at a SR of 100, batting mostly at number 6. His bowling was useful enough for a 5th and 6th bowling option, sharing overs with M Marsh, and the possibility of sharing further overs with Maxwel and even Head, conceding an ER of 6.1 in a very high scoring summer, and he continues to be used for nearly 6 overs per match.


I agree with that. But will Stoinis play test cricket? I say no. The selectors should and probably do prioritise a player's potential for Test cricket. So when choosing contracted players and then publishing them.. they should imo differentiate bewteen who has been chosen with Test cricket in mind and who for limited overs. Then tragics like you and I can see the full picture.
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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby Paddles » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:43 am

baggygreenmania wrote:This may be so, but he was a shining light for the Aussie ODI team that struggled and lost regularly against India and England in 2017/18.

He averaged over 50 with the bat, with 4 half centuries in 10 games, at a SR of 100, batting mostly at number 6. His bowling was useful enough for a 5th and 6th bowling option, sharing overs with M Marsh, and the possibility of sharing further overs with Maxwel and even Head, conceding an ER of 6.1 in a very high scoring summer, and he continues to be used for nearly 6 overs per match.


I agree with that. But when rating someone I look at their potential to play Test cricket. I expect our selectors do too. When choosing contracted players and then publishing them.. there should imo be a separate list for Test and fringe Test players and limited overs players.


Why would you expect your selectors to look at an ODI or T20 player's ability to play test cricket?

The contracts are typically weighted with tests given a double weighting. This leaves the potential for Finch to get a high standing on the contract list, after the multi format stars like Starc, and a test star like Lyon.

Almsot all the top test nations centrally contract the star players be it 20 or 25 or however many players. To think that a limited overs star isn't worth a contract because they are not suited for test cricket is ludicrous, especially in a t20 leauge era. Don't give Aaron Finch a contract, see how much domestic cricket he plays in or for Australia during the CPL, BPL and PSL. I am sure he will play the BBL, though. He's expected to make himself availabel for all Aussie ODI and T20 games. Why shouldn't he be paid for it based on his contribution to Australian Cricket?

The multi format players, make an equitable split of the format revenue for salaries immensely difficult. Not saying it cannot be done, though. But you'd end up paying the top guys less, and more to the bottom fringe guys.
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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby baggygreenmania » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:53 am

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baggygreenmania wrote:This may be so, but he was a shining light for the Aussie ODI team that struggled and lost regularly against India and England in 2017/18.

He averaged over 50 with the bat, with 4 half centuries in 10 games, at a SR of 100, batting mostly at number 6. His bowling was useful enough for a 5th and 6th bowling option, sharing overs with M Marsh, and the possibility of sharing further overs with Maxwel and even Head, conceding an ER of 6.1 in a very high scoring summer, and he continues to be used for nearly 6 overs per match.


I agree with that. But when rating someone I look at their potential to play Test cricket. I expect our selectors do too. When choosing contracted players and then publishing them.. there should imo be a separate list for Test and fringe Test players and limited overs players.


Why would you expect your selectors to look at an ODI or T20 player's ability to play test cricket?

The contracts are typically weighted with tests given a double weighting. This leaves the potential for Finch to get a high standing on the contract list, after the multi format stars like Starc, and a test star like Lyon.

Almsot all the top test nations centrally contract the star players be it 20 or 25 or however many players. To think that a limited overs star isn't worth a contract because they are not suited for test cricket is ludicrous, especially in a t20 leauge era. Don't give Aaron Finch a contract, see how much domestic cricket he plays in or for Australia during the CPL, BPL and PSL. I am sure he will play the BBL, though.
I clarified my point in a re-edit. I am not saying do not give a limited overs specialist such as Aaron Finch a contract because he will not play Test cricket. You misunderstood me. I am saying publish a separate list of Test and limited overs players to put everyone in the picture.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby Paddles » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:57 am

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Why would you expect your selectors to look at an ODI or T20 player's ability to play test cricket?

The contracts are typically weighted with tests given a double weighting. This leaves the potential for Finch to get a high standing on the contract list, after the multi format stars like Starc, and a test star like Lyon.

Almsot all the top test nations centrally contract the star players be it 20 or 25 or however many players. To think that a limited overs star isn't worth a contract because they are not suited for test cricket is ludicrous, especially in a t20 leauge era. Don't give Aaron Finch a contract, see how much domestic cricket he plays in or for Australia during the CPL, BPL and PSL. I am sure he will play the BBL, though.
I clarified my point in a re-edit. I am not saying do not give a limited overs specialist such as Aaron Finch a contract because he will not play Test cricket. You misunderstood me. I am saying publish a separate list of Test and limited overs players to put everyone in the picture.


But you and I both know that Finch is not a test player*. You and I both know that Stoinis is not a test player.

There will be grey areas for someone like Glen Maxwell.

Now he could appear on all lists. But why have multiple lists unless the funds are divided. And if you divide the funds, do you make a list of 20 to 25 players for each format? This will bring in more fringe players to get contracts. It may decrease Lyon's salary.

The current one list, gives much flexibility to the Boards that use this method, to give someone like Finch (or Guptil) a boost, as well as someone like Nathan Lyon. Though these guys are currently red or white ball players, not both, they are crucial members of their teams that they play in. More than a multi format player like Mathew Wade or even Tim Paine (before being made captain).

Even MItch Marsh and Glen Maxwell play all formats, but is either more valuable to Australian cricket than Nathan Lyon? Is either more valuable than Aaron Finch?

Congrats to Billy Stanlake getting a contract as a T20 specialist, even if he far far down near the bottom of the list. This indicates that Australia is building to winning WT20 at home in late 2020. But who is Jhye Richardson? I guess a 50 over prospect to the 2019 World Cup? Seems very lucky to have a contract. I would hazard to guess he will be at the bottom of the list.

*Though with no Smith, Bancroft or Warner, anything is possible right now.
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Postby baggygreenmania » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:14 am

Congrats to Billy Stanlake getting a contract as a T20 specialist. This indicates that Australia is building to winning WT20 at home in late 2020.

Is Stanlake a T20 specialist? I do not follow IPL but from the little I have seen he is not exactly setting the world on fire. He had one outstanding game in the T20 triseries so our selectors go ga ga over him. These knee jerk selection decisions have plagued Australian cricket for years. Let a bloke prove himself in any format over a complete season or two not a handful of matches. Stoinis has proven himself.. Stanlake has not.

Jhye Richardson.. (no relation to Kane) announced himself in the U19s against England several years back. He is one of the growing products from the DK Lillee pace bowling academy in Perth. Was timed as faster than James Pattinson during his time there. What I like about him is his ability to adapt to all conditions. I expect him to one day play in all formats. A big prospect and one that should keep our big 3 Hazey, Starc and Cummins on their toes.
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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby Paddles » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:18 am

baggygreenmania wrote:Congrats to Billy Stanlake getting a contract as a T20 specialist. This indicates that Australia is building to winning WT20 at home in late 2020.

Is Stanlake a T20 specialist? I do not follow IPL but from the little I have seen he is not exactly setting the world on fire. He had one outstanding game in the T20 triseries so our selectors go ga ga over him. These knee jerk selection decisions have plagued Australian cricket for years. Let a bloke prove himself in any format over a complete season or two not a handful of matches. Stoinis has proven himself.. Stanlake has not.


Stanlake currently only plays T20. He may return to 50 over cricket in the future when his body is more aged and stronger. He may not return to red ball cricket ever.

As far as I understand it, his career and bowling loads are being heavily managed by Cricket Australia.
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Postby Going South » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:19 am

IPL is a barometer for any T20 team in the world. see success there, doors open at home into national T20 team. it’s as simple as that. Even if they lose badly in IPL that experience & exposure to pressure cooked match situations itself is enough to pick them.

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Re: BAGGY GREEN: The Many Faces Of Australian Cricket

Postby Paddles » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:23 am

Going South wrote:IPL is a barometer for any T20 team in the world. see success there, doors open at home into national T20 team. it’s as simple as that. Even if they lose badly in IPL that experience & exposure to pressure cooked match situations itself is enough to pick them.


Oh please. Like most IPL imports, he played for his national team first, in his case the Aus T20 and ODI teams before he played in the IPL.

At 6 foot 8 and bowling 150km/h, Cricket Australia got their hooks into him early to not miss his potential. Except they're being very careful not to break him. He is young fast and tall, and they don't want a repeat of Pat Cummins and James Pattinson (and he's taller than both these guys) ad arguably more fragile.

Even if his stress fractures in his back stop him from playing test cricket, he could yet develop into an Australian cricket star. Or be a noone. But CA are invested in his potential. If Bruce Reid was playing today, I doubt Cricket Australia would expect him to be as resilient as Thommo and even Lillee were, and he too would get carefully managed instead of bowled into oblivion (in domestic as well as international cricket) in the harshest conditions in the test world for a fast bowler.
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Postby baggygreenmania » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:32 am

At 6 foot 8 and bowling 150km/h, Cricket Australia got their hooks into him early to not miss his potential. Except they're being very careful not to break him.

Stanlake has been plagued by injury since bursting onto the scene as a 19year old. I recall one spell he bowled back then where he swung the ball both ways at pace. Was unplayable. I can see why the selectors wanted to get their hooks into him. Is still quick and gets steepling bounce but appears to have lost the ability to swing it prodigiously as he did as a teen..

The bloke that could break like Bruce Reid did is not Stanlake but West Aussie Joel Paris. Has just returned from back trouble after again shining as a teen. He has a very similar frame to Reid and we all know what that did to his career.

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Postby Paddles » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:38 am

baggygreenmania wrote:At 6 foot 8 and bowling 150km/h, Cricket Australia got their hooks into him early to not miss his potential. Except they're being very careful not to break him.
Stanlake has been plagued by injury since bursting onto the scene as a 19year old. I recall one over he bowled back then where he swung the ball both ways at pace. Was unplayable. I can see why the selectors wanted to get their hooks into him. Is still quick and gets steepling bounce but appears to have lost the ability to swing it prodigiously as he did as a teen..


http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/cri ... ac3e238da5

This article pretty much sums it all up. Even includes a photograph reminder of Bruce Reid, although not referred to in the writing.
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Postby baggygreenmania » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:43 am

In case you missed this paddles.
[b][i]Jhye Richardson.. (no relation to Kane) announced himself in the U19s against England several years back. He is one of the growing products from the DK Lillee pace bowling academy production line in Perth. Was timed as faster than James Pattinson during his time there. What I like about him is his ability to adapt to all conditions. I expect him to one day play in all formats provided he avoids the dreaded back stress fractures. A big prospect and one that should keep our big 3 Hazey, Starc and Cummins on their toes..
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