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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Boycs » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:31 am

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... s-problems

This is a good article for what we've been talking about. In terms of overseas performance, England are third from the bottom above only West Indies and Bangladesh.

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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Boycs » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:33 am

And now it looks like Moeen isn't even going to bowl in this inter-Test warm up. I'm worried they're going to try and pick Mason Crane.

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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Boycs » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:40 pm

James Vince, average twenty over something like nine tests. Enough said. Not good enough.

Give foakes a run and move root to three. Move Moeen down a bit and fit foakes in to the top six

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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Paddles » Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:04 am

Boycs wrote:James Vince, average twenty over something like nine tests. Enough said. Not good enough.

Give foakes a run and move root to three. Move Moeen down a bit and fit foakes in to the top six


You can swap Bairstow and Moeen around and have Foakes bat 6 and keep ahead of Moeen 7.

Foakes is meant to be some wicket keeping boy wonder with skill levels not seen for England since Jack Russell lost the gloves to Alec Stewart's batting. But according to many Adam Gilchrist started the keeper batsman profecient bat trend later.
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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Paddles » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:53 am

On Moeen batting too high at 6,

"One of the [Australian] players asked if I was batting one place too high," he added. "I said I was actually two spots too high ... but it went straight over his head."


:lmao:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/cricket/news/article.cfm?c_id=29&objectid=11956516
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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Boycs » Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:13 pm

Paddles wrote:
Boycs wrote:James Vince, average twenty over something like nine tests. Enough said. Not good enough.

Give foakes a run and move root to three. Move Moeen down a bit and fit foakes in to the top six


You can swap Bairstow and Moeen around and have Foakes bat 6 and keep ahead of Moeen 7.

Foakes is meant to be some wicket keeping boy wonder with skill levels not seen for England since Jack Russell lost the gloves to Alec Stewart's batting. But according to many Adam Gilchrist started the keeper batsman profecient bat trend later.


Didn’t Stewart average something like 70 when not opening, or without the gloves? One of the two.

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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Boycs » Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:15 pm

Just checked. 46.70 or thereabouts. Not quite 70. But his times without the gloves may have coincided with his peak as a batsman regardless, here are always little caveats to stats.

Kumars 66+ non-keeper average is immense.

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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Boycs » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:28 pm

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... s-anderson

"Duckett 'poured drink over' Anderson"

It seems anything is news these days...

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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Paddles » Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:55 pm

Boycs wrote:Just checked. 46.70 or thereabouts. Not quite 70. But his times without the gloves may have coincided with his peak as a batsman regardless, here are always little caveats to stats.

Kumars 66+ non-keeper average is immense.


Stewart' was weak to spin but very strong vs seam. He played many tests as non-keeper and then opened the innings smashing the seamers. He rarely kept and opened.
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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Boycs » Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:32 pm

Stokes run out for another duck in New Zealand

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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Boycs » Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:45 pm

So is cookie past it? Or just dipping?

And believe it or not Broad hasn’t taken a five-for for two years according to Cricinfo

And stokes. When will he be back we wonder. He smacked some runs in the most recent NZ game

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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Boycs » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:44 pm

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... teven-finn

County grind 'sucks pace' out of England quicks - Finn

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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Boycs » Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:24 pm

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... es-failure

George Dobell slating the recent years of change to the county championship as a factor for the defeat in Australia:

But by then the cloven hoof of the ECB had stepped in. They had introduced young player incentives (financial bonuses to encourage counties to pick young players) that had the knock-on effect of squeezing mature cricketers out of the game. They had squeezed the county championship into the margins of the season, which had the knock-on effect of negating the need for pace or spin bowlers. They started to take players out of county cricket for rest, Lions games and even strength and conditioning sessions, which had the knock-on effect of diluting the standard. And they cracked down on overseas players and Kolpak registrations, sending the counties scurrying between the rocks and stones for poor imitations. Neither Graeme Hick nor Viv Richards would qualify to play county cricket if they were starting their careers today as they did in their early years. How does that help?


But hang on, is this a case of post hoc ergo procter hoc? Repeat all the points in a slightly altered slots and they sound full of praise.

1) They had introduced young player incentives (financial bonuses to encourage counties to pick young players) - a few minutes ago we were bemoaning the lack of youngsters interested in Test cricket and were trying to encourage county cricket to be a production group for future English Test cricketers.

2) They had squeezed the county championship into the margins of the season, which had the knock-on effect of negating the need for pace or spin bowlers - true, but we were also desperate for money and public interest to revive county cricket as a whole, across all three formats

3) They started to take players out of county cricket for rest, Lions games and even strength and conditioning sessions - last time I checked you can't turn a corner without hearing something about a cricketer complaining about busy schedules, no fitness, no rest!

4) they cracked down on overseas players and Kolpak registrations, sending the counties scurrying between the rocks and stones for poor imitations - so we don't want home grown cricketers? Were we not a few months ago criticising the selection of Kopak players as they squeezed home grown talent out of the championship and thus meant fewer players were learning the trade who would go on to benefit England?

Just feels like taking issues with the championship for the asking of being able to fill out an article on CricInfo, using talking points that were being lobbied for to make the complete opposite arguments only a short while ago.

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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Paddles » Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:56 am

Boycs wrote:http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/21805721/ecb-decade-errors-led-ashes-failure

George Dobell slating the recent years of change to the county championship as a factor for the defeat in Australia:

But by then the cloven hoof of the ECB had stepped in. They had introduced young player incentives (financial bonuses to encourage counties to pick young players) that had the knock-on effect of squeezing mature cricketers out of the game. They had squeezed the county championship into the margins of the season, which had the knock-on effect of negating the need for pace or spin bowlers. They started to take players out of county cricket for rest, Lions games and even strength and conditioning sessions, which had the knock-on effect of diluting the standard. And they cracked down on overseas players and Kolpak registrations, sending the counties scurrying between the rocks and stones for poor imitations. Neither Graeme Hick nor Viv Richards would qualify to play county cricket if they were starting their careers today as they did in their early years. How does that help?


But hang on, is this a case of post hoc ergo procter hoc? Repeat all the points in a slightly altered slots and they sound full of praise.

1) They had introduced young player incentives (financial bonuses to encourage counties to pick young players) - a few minutes ago we were bemoaning the lack of youngsters interested in Test cricket and were trying to encourage county cricket to be a production group for future English Test cricketers.

2) They had squeezed the county championship into the margins of the season, which had the knock-on effect of negating the need for pace or spin bowlers - true, but we were also desperate for money and public interest to revive county cricket as a whole, across all three formats

3) They started to take players out of county cricket for rest, Lions games and even strength and conditioning sessions - last time I checked you can't turn a corner without hearing something about a cricketer complaining about busy schedules, no fitness, no rest!

4) they cracked down on overseas players and Kolpak registrations, sending the counties scurrying between the rocks and stones for poor imitations - so we don't want home grown cricketers? Were we not a few months ago criticising the selection of Kopak players as they squeezed home grown talent out of the championship and thus meant fewer players were learning the trade who would go on to benefit England?

Just feels like taking issues with the championship for the asking of being able to fill out an article on CricInfo, using talking points that were being lobbied for to make the complete opposite arguments only a short while ago.


England's new batsmen are making runs in Australia, more runs than they needed at home to beat Safrica, and this is not with Root, Cook nor Ali scoring big neither. So the answer lies in the England bowling, which we all more more or less agreed before the series started. Anderson with some nice tail end wickets at the Waca, and starring in Adelaide (the latter we all more or less agreed would happen) is doing well enough this series, but 2 tests to go could see his average increase, but Broad has been dismal throughout. Overton has been okay till he got injured. Ball was the wrong decision for the 1st test.

So how does England get more tall bounce seamers, with some decent pace, who really are going to be guaranteed selection only every 4 years for a tour to Australia, and maybe, just maybe as a reserve to South Africa in case they shave their pitches the day before the test. The EWCB needs to entice a player to play this way, and not look to replicate Anderson and swing, or traditional English seam at Philander pace like Overton, but quicker.

The answer is, Kyle Abbott will be qualified to play for England next Straya tour :D And Overton has an identical brother who bowls even faster.
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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Boycs » Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:32 am

Ooooo looks like we (Somerset) have signed Bancroft as an opener.

And Mason Crane is excitedly looking forward to a possible debut, apparently. FFS what has he done to deserve selection? Nothing. Pick Jack leach if you want to play a spinner. At least he’s taken some wickets albeit on a catered turner at Taunton.

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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Boycs » Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:47 pm

I’m glad that the media appear to accept that this scoreline is just because Australia are far superior than England in Australia (just like England are a better team than Australia in England)

They are raising the issues of selection, stokes, off field distractions etc but rightly recognising that the simple gulf between the teams is far more of a factor. It’s no great mystery and in my opinion we all saw it coming.

That way we keep our heads and don’t bleat about sacking half the team or the coach.

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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Paddles » Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:03 pm

Boycs wrote:That way we keep our heads and don’t bleat about sacking half the team or the coach.


Yups. Noone can question Jimmy and even Stuart's value at home.

While Stokes with the bat and TRJ with the ball may have offered a bit more - Aus is just damn tough to beat at home.
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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Boycs » Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:30 pm

I am indeed looking forward to TRJ long term

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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Boycs » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:03 pm

I shall be cancelling my BT sport membership after the final test, reverting to just sky for the Home season, but BT sport have been okay in their coverage and it’s nice to see Geoffrey get some TV time. Thoughts?

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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Boycs » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:23 pm

Here’s a good pub quiz question for you.

Eight barons or baroness have played Test cricket. Can anyone name them all?

Raja, I’m looking at you.

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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Paddles » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:43 am

Sam Curran has put on two t20 master classes of batting this year against some good bowling.

At only 19 - and still svelte - this kid is one to watch out for in the future.

I havn't followed his bowling - but his batting is impossible not to pay attention too. Its pure t20 brilliance - pull bouncers for 6, paddle over keeper, reverse lap over short fine leg, smash through point. Doesn't take to play himself in neither.

He has played 3 seasons of FC in England and is only 19. So his current numbers are not yet indicative of his potential imo.
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Postby Boycs » Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:38 am

I watched him bowl on t20 debut. Very tight to the stumps and not afraid to pitch it up. Was impressed.

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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Boycs » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:01 pm

Strauss to consider £3 million 'spin fund' http://es.pn/2qUabx1

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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Paddles » Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:23 am

Boycs wrote:I watched him bowl on t20 debut. Very tight to the stumps and not afraid to pitch it up. Was impressed.


His bowling is getting smashed over here regularly. But his batting has pleasantly surprised Auclkland fans.
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