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The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Paddles » Thu May 11, 2017 8:01 am

This thread is for all things England (and Wales) cricket. SGGH is anticpated to be the lead contributor to this thread but feel free to post thoughts and opinions or create new topics relevant to EWCB cricket, both international and domestic.

To start things off, their 2017 Champions Trophy team has been named and is as follows:

Eoin Morgan (c), Moeen Ali, Jonny Bairstow, Jake Ball, Sam Billings, Jos Buttler, Alex Hales, Liam Plunkett, Adil Rashid, Joe Root, Jason Roy, Ben Stokes, David Willey, Chris Woakes, Mark Wood

Notable omissions include Stuart Broad and Chris Jordan.

The team at time of posting is the favourites to win at 3.33. Australia is 3.5, South Africa is 4, India 5 and NZ 10.

https://www.oddschecker.com/cricket/icc ... ons-trophy

Is England currently overrated? They are currently only ranked 5th by the ICC. They have certainly improved since their laughable performance at the 2015 World Cup.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings/me ... nkings/odi

Yet they're favourites to win at home despite not beating Australia there in 2015 and South Africa sitting on top of the ICC rankings. India and NZ are both ranked ahead of them too.

And England has started a new advertising campaign that has not impressed everyone.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/cricket/news/article.cfm?c_id=29&objectid=11850191

The advertisement alone is available here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlFFoRJJ03E
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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Paddles » Thu May 25, 2017 2:01 am

England smash South Africa to go 1-0 up and announce that they're far from pretenders in odi cricket now. Ali at 7 blasts a rapid 70 odd and bowls tidily with 2 wickets for motm while Morgan tonnes after Hales good start. Woakes takes 4 and only Mark Wood would have his head down in the bowling group.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-south-africa-2017/engine/match/1031425.html
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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Mick180461 » Thu May 25, 2017 2:28 am

Probably as good a place to put this as any.
3 warm up matches have been announced for the Ashes tour next Winter.
V WA X1 Perth Nov 4-5
V CA X1 D/N Adelaide Nov 8-11
V CA X1 Townsville Nov Nov 15-18
At least 2x 4 day matches short of what they need to do before the 1st test. All Australia's best players will be playing Shield or still in India playing ODIs so the Opposition won't be great.

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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Paddles » Thu May 25, 2017 5:54 am

Mick180461 wrote:Probably as good a place to put this as any.
3 warm up matches have been announced for the Ashes tour next Winter.
V WA X1 Perth Nov 4-5
V CA X1 D/N Adelaide Nov 8-11
V CA X1 Townsville Nov Nov 15-18
At least 2x 4 day matches short of what they need to do before the 1st test. All Australia's best players will be playing Shield or still in India playing ODIs so the Opposition won't be great.


Surely the CAXI will have some fringe players and top domestic players. Is it Cricket Australia XI or or Academy XI?
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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Mick180461 » Thu May 25, 2017 11:17 am

Paddles wrote:
Mick180461 wrote:Probably as good a place to put this as any.
3 warm up matches have been announced for the Ashes tour next Winter.
V WA X1 Perth Nov 4-5
V CA X1 D/N Adelaide Nov 8-11
V CA X1 Townsville Nov Nov 15-18
At least 2x 4 day matches short of what they need to do before the 1st test. All Australia's best players will be playing Shield or still in India playing ODIs so the Opposition won't be great.


Surely the CAXI will have some fringe players and top domestic players. Is it Cricket Australia XI or or Academy XI?

Yes some fringe state players, for the last few years the CA11 tour match teams have been made up of players not required for Shield matches. CA X1 according to the report i saw.

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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Paddles » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:47 am

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/cricket/news/article.cfm?c_id=29&objectid=11880402

English county players to be breathalised to make sure that they're not playing drunk. In the article I love how Monty denies not being as drunk as everyone thought when being accused of being drunk and urinating on bouncers.
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Postby Katto » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:17 am

Paddles wrote:http://www.nzherald.co.nz/cricket/news/article.cfm?c_id=29&objectid=11880402

English county players to be breathalised to make sure that they're not playing drunk. In the article I love how Monty denies not being as drunk as everyone thought when being accused of being drunk and urinating on bouncers.


are they concerned about the obvious performance enhancing aspects of alcohol?

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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Boycs » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:45 am

Jimmy is a question mark for the South Africa tests. I thought they'd be grooming Jake ball to replace him as a young and exciting prospect. Jimmy may have it in him to make it to one last ashes tour but I think playing beyond that is very doubtful. What a servant he has been though. If only they hadn't screwed us over by messing with his action for so many years early on. Fools.

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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby raja » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:30 pm

The very thought of an Ashes series, where THIS England team play THIS Aussie team, depresses me.
England should start as 5-0 favourites - and if they achieve anything less, Australia should be deemed winners. :-)

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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Paddles » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:34 pm

Boycs wrote:Jimmy is a question mark for the South Africa tests. I thought they'd be grooming Jake ball to replace him as a young and exciting prospect. Jimmy may have it in him to make it to one last ashes tour but I think playing beyond that is very doubtful. What a servant he has been though. If only they hadn't screwed us over by messing with his action for so many years early on. Fools.

I hope he's ready for a broken f'ing arm this winter.
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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Boycs » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:34 pm

Zing!

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Postby Katto » Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:22 pm

raja wrote:The very thought of an Ashes series, where THIS England team play THIS Aussie team, depresses me.
England should start as 5-0 favourites - and if they achieve anything less, Australia should be deemed winners. :-)


Should be a close series in Australia as England usually capitulate here unless they have a vastly superior team. They dont, so it should be close.

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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Boycs » Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:24 pm

I agree. I'll return to my default lac of expectation with the England team, which I've shed for one day games but retain for Tests

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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Going South » Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:24 pm

I expect 5-0 win to the Australians.

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Postby raja » Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:55 pm

Katto wrote:
raja wrote:The very thought of an Ashes series, where THIS England team play THIS Aussie team, depresses me.
England should start as 5-0 favourites - and if they achieve anything less, Australia should be deemed winners. :-)


Should be a close series in Australia as England usually capitulate here unless they have a vastly superior team. They dont, so it should be close.


They don't?

I can't find one weakness in the current English Test side.

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Postby Going South » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:45 pm

Really? ;)

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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby raja » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:50 pm

I think this England side is the best since the great side of the 1950s.

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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Boycs » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:12 pm

I am not convinced with our current spinner and our second opener is talented but still new. Our bowling attack opening pair is great but aging, and their seam support is decent but stokes bowling takes a back seat some times. We've got some healthy competition for the middle order in butler and bairstow but the former isn't at his strongest in test cricket so far.

So I wouldn't say we're faultless. A question mark over 25% of our seam attack and a huge question over our spin attack.

But we're decent

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Postby Boycs » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:14 pm

But then what do Australia have? Warner, Smith and a decent pace attack. In fact better than decent pace attack, especially at home.

Who bowls spin for Australia these days? Did Lyon retire?

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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Paddles » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:29 am

Wow.

I think Aussie will win the Ashes due to English bowling lacking helpful assistance. Root, Cook, Bairstow and even Stokes may make runs, but at some point Starc, Pattinson and Cummins (even taller Stanlake may play if injuries) will throw down a gauntlet of bounce to the rest of the batting line up with tall metronomic Hazelwood being parsimonious as ever.

Broad and Anderson lack penetration in Straya. They want duke balls, dark clouds and green grass. They'll get stuff all of any of this. Lets see how Ali goes on his drives with the ball around his nose far more often than he's used to having pushed him well back into the crease.

Warner and Smith will cash in as per on flat bouncy wickets that England's bowlers are too slow and skiddy low to get full effectiveness out of.
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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Boycs » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:43 am

Exactly.

I don't see England winning. But I think they'll do better than losing 5:0

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Postby Boycs » Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:40 pm

I'm particularly pooched to see my old home town Taunton hosting only its second England men's team since 1875.

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Postby Mick180461 » Sat Jun 24, 2017 4:58 am

Boycs wrote:But then what do Australia have? Warner, Smith and a decent pace attack. In fact better than decent pace attack, especially at home.

Who bowls spin for Australia these days? Did Lyon retire?

Renshaw & Handscomb have made pretty good starts to their Test careers, Khawaja's been in very good form lately. Actually Warner's recent test form isn't that good and he has to play with a new bat. Spin won't be a factor in this series, neither side has a top quality Leggie and those are the only spinners who consistently do well in Australia. The finger spinners who do the best in OZ are those that bowl with a lot of Over Spin.
Ask me after the Bangladesh series who will be Australia's spinner, have a better idea then. If Agar outbowls Lyon in Bangladesh that would mean either Cummins or Pattinson batting at 10 in the Ashes, that would be a scary thought for a bowling lineup.

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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Boycs » Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:40 am

Warner has to use a new bat?

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Postby Mick180461 » Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:18 am

Boycs wrote:Warner has to use a new bat?

He's not the only one, the new bat size regs come into place in Oct, where the bat will have to fit through a device that many of the bats at present won't fit due to the width of the edges.

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Postby Boycs » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:24 pm

Oh of course. I'd forgotten about that.

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Postby Mick180461 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:11 pm

Want to start feeling really old guys.
Hamidullah Qadri made his county debut for Derbyshire in the current County match, whats so special about that you say,
He's Birthdate
Dec 5 2000!!!!
The ist County player born this century.

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Re: The Sun Never Sets Over the English Game - All things EWCB cricket

Postby Boycs » Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:48 am

Sweet Jesus.

I deal with legal adults at work who were born in 1999!