Doug Bracewell Guilty in Drink and Drive

This is the forum for discussion of all cricketing issues and news. Here you will find frank analysis and opinion on subjects ranging from selection policies, favourite cricketers and match post-mortems right through to dressing room and cricket board fiascos.
User avatar
Paddles
CF Senior
CF Senior
Posts: 3261
Joined: Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:31 am
Cash on hand: Locked
Bank: Locked
Reputation: 0

Re: Doug Bracewell Guilty in Drink and Drive

Postby Paddles » Thu May 04, 2017 3:36 am

Katto wrote:
Paddles wrote:Isn't Freddie Mercury the first and last Indian Rock Star?


bit of a stretch to label him 'Indian' considering he wasn't born there. His ancestry was Persian.


Well he certainly wasn't Iranian. Indo-Persian is a thing, with Pakistan (Sindh) and Urdu language being significant. But Gujarat (India) is significant as well. Parsis settled here many many centuries ago. May explain the dry culture in Gujarat.

I'm no Freddie Mercury biographer, I'm just reading wikipedia, apparently he was born on a Persian Island off coast of Africa, but his parents were from Gujarat, despite being Parsis, and he apparently spent a lot of time growing up in India, including most if not all his schooling. That gives rise to the Indian claim. You can decide your own merits. I don't have a dog in this fight.

Culturally it would seem he was Parsi blood growing up in India, born to Indo-Persians who themselves were born in India? So - a Persian from India just born offshore, or a Persian who spent time in India? I think you could well be placing too much emphasis to his birthplace and his being Persian culturally when it was Gujurat and he spent his childhood there as were his ancestors born there. But like I say, I don't care to debate this one. Perhaps I ought to have said - isn't Freddie Mercury the last Rock Star from India? Indian as an ethnicity and religion (Sikh, Hindi) as distinct from Persian migration to India and the India region by land itself are different. And a Persian is a Persian, just sometimes its an Indo-Persian. I did mean the land and not the ethnicity or Sikh/Hindi religious cultures but I see your point and agree with it tho on a slight talking past me meaning.

State of Origin eligibility is enough for me just to say let the players determine when they're from, (but stop picking Kiwis. :))
If any moderator or administrator is able to add Going South to my foe list, I would greatly appreciate it.

User avatar
Katto
CF Champion
CF Champion
Posts: 13859
Joined: Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:34 pm
Cash on hand: Locked
Reputation: 0
Tuvalu

Re: Doug Bracewell Guilty in Drink and Drive

Postby Katto » Thu May 04, 2017 4:25 am

Here we go again :lol:

User avatar
Going South
Muppet Administrator
Muppet Administrator
Posts: 25427
Joined: Sun Feb 20, 2011 6:10 pm
Cash on hand: Locked
Reputation: 0
United States of America

Re: Doug Bracewell Guilty in Drink and Drive

Postby Going South » Mon May 08, 2017 12:32 am

Hindi=language of only 25% of India
Hindu=religion spoken not just in Hindi but 25 other languages

User avatar
Paddles
CF Senior
CF Senior
Posts: 3261
Joined: Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:31 am
Cash on hand: Locked
Bank: Locked
Reputation: 0

Re: Doug Bracewell Guilty in Drink and Drive

Postby Paddles » Mon May 08, 2017 12:53 am

Going South wrote:Hindi=language of only 25% of India
Hindu=religion spoken not just in Hindi but 25 other languages

Ethnicity and geneology, not indigenous peoples but long time citizens is the distinction between Indo Persian and Indo Indians (Sikh Hindi etc) trying to be made.
If any moderator or administrator is able to add Going South to my foe list, I would greatly appreciate it.

User avatar
Katto
CF Champion
CF Champion
Posts: 13859
Joined: Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:34 pm
Cash on hand: Locked
Reputation: 0
Tuvalu

Re: Doug Bracewell Guilty in Drink and Drive

Postby Katto » Mon May 08, 2017 4:44 am

Paddles the expert on everything :lol:

User avatar
Paddles
CF Senior
CF Senior
Posts: 3261
Joined: Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:31 am
Cash on hand: Locked
Bank: Locked
Reputation: 0

Re: Doug Bracewell Guilty in Drink and Drive

Postby Paddles » Mon May 08, 2017 7:47 am

Katto wrote:
Paddles wrote:Isn't Freddie Mercury the first and last Indian Rock Star?


bit of a stretch to label him 'Indian' considering he wasn't born there. His ancestry was Persian.


Katto wrote:Paddles the expert on everything :lol:
If any moderator or administrator is able to add Going South to my foe list, I would greatly appreciate it.

User avatar
Going South
Muppet Administrator
Muppet Administrator
Posts: 25427
Joined: Sun Feb 20, 2011 6:10 pm
Cash on hand: Locked
Reputation: 0
United States of America

Doug Bracewell Guilty in Drink and Drive

Postby Going South » Mon May 08, 2017 11:30 am

Paddles wrote:
Going South wrote:Hindi=language of only 25% of India
Hindu=religion spoken not just in Hindi but 25 other languages

Ethnicity and geneology, not indigenous peoples but long time citizens is the distinction between Indo Persian and Indo Indians (Sikh Hindi etc) trying to be made.

Wrong.
You have no idea on how important it is for not to call "Hindi" for a "Hindu". Next time you pass a South Indian ask him. I don't have patience to explain/argue with you on trivial things

User avatar
Boycs
Muppet Moderator
Muppet Moderator
Posts: 10672
Joined: Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:32 am
Cash on hand: Locked
Bank: Locked
Reputation: 0
United Kingdom

Re: Doug Bracewell Guilty in Drink and Drive

Postby Boycs » Mon May 08, 2017 2:46 pm

Man this thread went off topic quickly

User avatar
Going South
Muppet Administrator
Muppet Administrator
Posts: 25427
Joined: Sun Feb 20, 2011 6:10 pm
Cash on hand: Locked
Reputation: 0
United States of America

Re: Doug Bracewell Guilty in Drink and Drive

Postby Going South » Mon May 08, 2017 3:19 pm

BoyCaught30 wrote:Man this thread went off topic quickly

Lol. Nothing new in CF. we got a new WUM here what do you expect ?

User avatar
Paddles
CF Senior
CF Senior
Posts: 3261
Joined: Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:31 am
Cash on hand: Locked
Bank: Locked
Reputation: 0

Re: Doug Bracewell Guilty in Drink and Drive

Postby Paddles » Mon May 08, 2017 3:25 pm

Going South wrote:
Paddles wrote:Ethnicity and geneology, not indigenous peoples but long time citizens is the distinction between Indo Persian and Indo Indians (Sikh Hindi etc) trying to be made.

Wrong.
You have no idea on how important it is for not to call "Hindi" for a "Hindu". Next time you pass a South Indian ask him. I don't have patience to explain/argue with you on trivial things


Read the conversation between myself and Katto again. You want to add your point of difference between hindi as against hindu, do so clearly. But given Freddie Mercury was neither hindi nor hindu, the care factor is going to be low. Really low.

If you want yo say hindi is the language and hindu the religion or ethnicity - do so. If its something else - be clear. Remember - we're Anglo Europeans, not Indians. We're not going to expect you to know a Celt from a Saxon from an Aboriginee or a Maori let alone a polynesian from a micronesian.
If any moderator or administrator is able to add Going South to my foe list, I would greatly appreciate it.

User avatar
Going South
Muppet Administrator
Muppet Administrator
Posts: 25427
Joined: Sun Feb 20, 2011 6:10 pm
Cash on hand: Locked
Reputation: 0
United States of America

Re: Doug Bracewell Guilty in Drink and Drive

Postby Going South » Mon May 08, 2017 3:50 pm

You missed the point. Again?

Take time. Read slowly.
Educate your self.

Next time don't use the word HINDI to represent Hindu religion

End of lesson.

User avatar
Paddles
CF Senior
CF Senior
Posts: 3261
Joined: Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:31 am
Cash on hand: Locked
Bank: Locked
Reputation: 0

Re: Doug Bracewell Guilty in Drink and Drive

Postby Paddles » Mon May 08, 2017 4:09 pm

Going South wrote:You missed the point. Again?

Take time. Read slowly.
Educate your self.

Next time don't use the word HINDI to represent Hindu religion

End of lesson.


I was talking ethnicity tho. If the word is Hindu and not Hindi as I in fact expressly anticipated - I thank you. But it has no bearing on my and Katto's conversation in the least. I have no doubts you are more well versed in Indian culture than I or almost all Anglo's are.
If any moderator or administrator is able to add Going South to my foe list, I would greatly appreciate it.

User avatar
Katto
CF Champion
CF Champion
Posts: 13859
Joined: Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:34 pm
Cash on hand: Locked
Reputation: 0
Tuvalu

Re: Doug Bracewell Guilty in Drink and Drive

Postby Katto » Mon May 08, 2017 4:34 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: