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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:54 am

There are a few Aussies playing in the IPL. Will keep an eye on them. Any playing for KingsX1 Punjab?

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby raja » Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:57 am

baggygreenmania wrote:There are a few Aussies playing in the IPL. Will keep an eye on them. Any playing for KingsX1 Punjab?


These are the overseas players for Kings' XI, Punjab.

Hashim Amla
Martin Guptill
Matt Henry
Shaun Marsh
Glenn Maxwell
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Postby louie_db9 » Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:13 pm

Yes and I think Maxwell is captain.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:34 am

louie_db9 wrote:Yes and I think Maxwell is captain.

I reckon T20 destroyed Maxwell's red ball game. He is a natural strokemaker so the shorter format where the main object is to score as many runs in as shorter time.. suits him. We have seen over the past couple of Aussie domestic seasons and in the Indian test with his fine Century that Maxie is finally getting his red bal game together. Rather than play IPL I would prefer Maxie played a season in English county cricket. In fact I would like to see several othes do the same.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Mick180461 » Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:47 am

baggygreenmania wrote:http://www.cricket.com.au/news/australia-icc-test-statistics-year-in-review-starc-hazlewood-siddle-cummins-lyon-okeefe/2017-04-02

This makes interesting reading.

Overall Starc & Hazlewood had excellent years, lyons figures of 4 wkts a test and a SR of 61 are both good figures but his average of 35 is to high.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:04 am

Hazlewood being behind Starc after his incredible Aussie summer surprised me a bit. But the difference was Starc's terrific Sri Lanka tour. Lyon has always had a lofty average. His strike rate flatters him.. Despite not being world class he remains our premier spinner. Bewildering.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Paddles » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:06 am

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louie_db9 wrote:Yes and I think Maxwell is captain.

I reckon T20 destroyed Maxwell's red ball game. He is a natural strokemaker so the shorter format where the main object is to score as many runs in as shorter time.. suits him. We have seen over the past couple of Aussie domestic seasons and in the Indian test with his fine Century that Maxie is finally getting his red bal game together. Rather than play IPL I would prefer Maxie played a season in English county cricket. In fact I would like to see several othes do the same.


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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Paddles » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:14 am

baggygreenmania wrote:Hazlewood being behind Starc after his incredible Aussie summer surprised me a bit. But the difference was Starc's terrific Sri Lanka tour. Lyon has always had a lofty average. His strike rate flatters him.. Despite not being world class he remains our premier spinner. Bewildering.


Does world class mean world xi material where Jadeja, Ashwin and Herath vye to play with allround superstar Shakib? Watling is not pumping out runs like de Kock or Baistow nor taking de Kock like catches or Dhoni like stumpings and run outs and yet remains NZ's premier keeper bat. He's well behind de Kock in both aspects of the game but we're really happy to have him and appreciate him and his efforts. He's a good to v good keeper bat, possibly our best ever once the McCullum myth is busted as batsman only. Lyon has better records in many countries than Jadeja and Ashwin - just ask Wade.

There's nothing bewildering about it and I appreciate CA fan standards and expectations are possibly far higher than those of the small islands to the east.

Warne spolied you guys for too long. Remember Greg Mathews, Peter Taylor, Trevor Hohns et al. England would kill for Lyon's quality intead of Moe and Rash, and NZ would take him in a heart beat over Patel and Craig. SA have Maharaj rising now but had Lyon spent the last 5 years in their team, Maharaj would be on the sidelines.

Lyon is good to v good. He's just not current world xi let alone ATG. But he was good enough to go a long way in breaking the hearts of NZC fans in 2015/16 with his overspin.

If you think SoK is better than Lyon then say so and why; personally I'd leave the rest of the world's class out of it unless there's a world class player available to replace Lyon.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:42 am

That is a long way round to shoot my opinion down in flames.
You obviously rate Lyon. I used to. He became the GOAT because CA were not picking anyone else. He suited its niche at the time after so many "next Warnes" were tried and discarded. The main thing that riles me about Lyon is his inconsistency and his inability not to stick with what works best for him.. Admittedly, he took 4 wickets a match over the last calendar year. But there were frequent occasions when he struggled to take more than one wicket a match. I would much rather he took a handful of wickets every game rather than a four for here or a five for there and then nothing.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Paddles » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:01 am

baggygreenmania wrote:That is a long way round to shoot my opinion down in flames.
You obviously rate Lyon. I used to. He became the GOAT because CA were not picking anyone else. He suited its niche at the time after so many "next Warnes" were tried and discarded. The main thing that riles me about Lyon is his inconsistency and his inability not to stick with what works best for him.. Admittedly, he took 4 wickets a match over the last calendar year. But there were frequent occasions when he struggled to take more than one wicket a match. I would much rather he took a handful of wickets every game rather than a four for here or a five for there and then nothing.


Comparitive and reasoning by analogy well does that.

I understand your frustrations but I think your expectations are possibly too high for a finger spinner. With Mark Craig (and even Sodhi for that matter) a lot of NZC fans like myself just wanted low er in games where he bowled on unresponsive pitches in the first 3 innings to then nail it with bags of wickets on day 5 for the win. He could only do the last part which just wasn't good enough. Basically if the team got the opposition batting last in the 4th - thats all we wanted to Craig to strike and finish the job something Vettori failed at back end of career). But he had to bowl cheap filler overs in the 1st team innings. That was essential. Maybe some 3rd innings wickets as a little bonus but we had no consistent wicket expectations in first or second innings. You guys have had 4 seamers (incl Darsh) for that. Freaks like Warne and Murali got their teams into winning positions regularly, but outside spin conducive pitches like dustbowls - thats not the job of a regular spinner. They're there to ice the cake of the team effort, day 5 - afternoon and tea session - thats when its on them to payback the team for continued selection with bags. Maybe day 4 - not days 1 to 3 - thats just cheap overs giving a spell to the fast men.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Mick180461 » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:23 am

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baggygreenmania wrote:Hazlewood being behind Starc after his incredible Aussie summer surprised me a bit. But the difference was Starc's terrific Sri Lanka tour. Lyon has always had a lofty average. His strike rate flatters him.. Despite not being world class he remains our premier spinner. Bewildering.




If you think SoK is better than Lyon then say so and why; personally I'd leave the rest of the world's class out of it unless there's a world class player available to replace Lyon.

Why i rate O'Keefe over Lyon is simple, they have played a lot of matches together for NSW over the last 3-4 years and time and again bowling to the same teams, same batsman, on the same wkts with the same balls on the same days O'Keefe has consistently outbowled Lyon, their non test match records are startling Lyon 118 wkts @43.97 in 46 matches, O'Keefe 211@23.21 in 62 matches.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Paddles » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:38 am

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If you think SoK is better than Lyon then say so and why; personally I'd leave the rest of the world's class out of it unless there's a world class player available to replace Lyon.

Why i rate O'Keefe over Lyon is simple, they have played a lot of matches together for NSW over the last 3-4 years and time and again bowling to the same teams, same batsman, on the same wkts with the same balls on the same days O'Keefe has consistently outbowled Lyon, their non test match records are startling Lyon 118 wkts @43.97 in 46 matches, O'Keefe 211@23.21 in 62 matches.


Thats a good argument. The next question is did SoK do enough head to head with Lyon in tests to believe he will be significantly better as a test option? How did they bowl together on non turning pitches as well as Sydney and Indian tests.

Australian Cricket and it's supporters except nothing but Australia being no 1 and except for generally short periods and other then the Windies domination from the late 70s to early 90s, Australia has been no1. Compare the Australian Cricket team to a Man U or NY Yankees or the All Blacks, no 2 is never good enough and will make the changes necessary to get back there.


Yes, the NZC and media's genoristy to mediocrity of H Niccols, N Broom, J Patel and formerly H Rutherford, presently and many more examples has me wishing we took the ABs or CA attitude to demanding excellence at times. But then we find some diamonds in the rough like CDG that CA would not pick based on Faulkners lack of tests when in red hot form in past seasons. There's a balance between high expectations of a perfect team and appreciating the real prowess and match effectiveness of the less than ideal players where the perfect prototype player is not available nor in ready supply.

The ABs once famously in the pursuit of excellence put one of the best wingers in the world to fullback and the best fullback in the world to wing and centre. The results were a total failure. Change for demanding excellence still requires a better alternative choice (or a deliberate kick up the backside to reinstate later) to make sense.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:26 am

"then nail it onthe fifth day with bags of wickets". Precisely what we want Lyon to be doing. and rarely does. That is why I do not rate him as world class. I have seen Craig occasionally and was reasonably impressed with him. Dan Vettori in his prime was without peer in the finger spinning stakes in my view. Am hoping our Ashton Agar can do something similar to the great man. I rate Ish Sodhi. He has impressed me everytime I have seen him. Looks more promising than our own leggie prospect Mitchell Swepson. With correct guidance Sodhi could be a match winner for your Black Caps.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Paddles » Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:27 am

baggygreenmania wrote:"then nail it onthe fifth day with bags of wickets". Precisely what we want Lyon to be doing. and rarely does. That is why I do not rate him as world class. I have seen Craig occasionally and was reasonably impressed with him. Dan Vettori in his prime was without peer in the finger spinning stakes in my view. Am hoping our Ashton Agar can do something similar to the great man. I rate Ish Sodhi. He has impressed me everytime I have seen him. Looks more promising than our own leggie prospect Mitchell Swepson. With correct guidance Sodhi could be a match winner for your Black Caps.


Sodhi is a v good limited overs bowler now. He's a mile from test bowling, if ever. Our own Imran Tahir impersonator. On turning pitches he can rip a side apart, but he's a runs leaker until he controls his length.

Craig just cuts the ball instead of spinning it with wrist unfurling. He got massive turn on responsive pitches but no dip or bounce weapons that overspin gets. Lyon has mastered the harder art. A cutting action would be an easier variation to learn.

I don't think Vettori gets into a conversation of best finger spinner when Murali crossed paths. Also Ajmal, Herath, Bhaji, Swann later. As a cricketer Dan brought valuable test runs, tho and great odi er.

But yeah - I understand your frustration if Lyon's not finishing 5th day. We had that with Vettori but not Craig, funniky enough. But ask yourself, would Ashwin or Jadeja let alone SoK have on some of those Aussie pitches against the same opposition?
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:04 am

'a mile from test bowling if ever". Remember leg spin is one of the hardest spin crafts to bowl let alone master. Take years. A spinner does not mature until well into his 20s. Warne was the exception to the rule. But we all know he was a freak. Hope what happened to Steve Smith does not happen to Sodhi. Smith was first picked for Australia as a spinning all rounder. He was never sufficiently mature for Test cricket. But because they were looking for the next Warne he was thrown to the wolves. I rate Sodhi over Tahir who bowls too quick to get real turn to hurt quality test batsmen. Different in limited overs when the batsman is going after the bowling. Sodhi reminds me a bit of Indian great Anil Kumble. You really do not rate Dan Vettori do you. He always looked a class act in his prime in both test cricket and limited overs.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Paddles » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:45 am

baggygreenmania wrote:'a mile from test bowling if ever". Remember leg spin is one of the hardest spin crafts to bowl let alone master. Take years. A spinner does not mature until well into his 20s. Warne was the exception to the rule. But we all know he was a freak. Hope what happened to Steve Smith does not happen to Sodhi. Smith was first picked for Australia as a spinning all rounder. He was never sufficiently mature for Test cricket. But because they were looking for the next Warne he was thrown to the wolves. I rate Sodhi over Tahir who bowls too quick to get real turn to hurt quality test batsmen. Different in limited overs when the batsman is going after the bowling. Sodhi reminds me a bit of Indian great Anil Kumble. You really do not rate Dan Vettori do you. He always looked a class act in his prime in both test cricket and limited overs.


I rate Vettorri very highly, but I like to be a realist in my appraisals, even of my own countrymen. Dan, is one of NZ's best twenty, if not fewer, cricketers produced by way of career longevity, international respect and acknowledgment, and performances. Dan is so popular in NZ, that the fact he took Flemming's prized captaincy off him and shortened his career, to only do the role for four years before putting the T20 leagues ahead of NZ and only be available on a match to match basis due to "injury" - it gets glossed over. Just as BMac retiring young doing similar T20 leagues, or NZ consistently losing the services of Shane Bond. NZ cricket simply does not pay its players their international value. If our players play well when available for NZ, we forgive them, unless they're Jesse Ryder.

Dan Vettori as an allrounder in test cricket was excellent. He scored many many valuable runs. But he suffered back injuries from bowling so many overs as a young buck (he was picked up in international cricket as a teenager and made to do a lot of bowling) and this effected his ability to turn the ball. Flight, guile, speed, Vettori was a master - if a batsman went after him, they were on thin ice. This made DV a great limited overs bowler. At his peak, exceptional. And this peak was still in full effect many years later in the 2015 World Cup where he was one of the best bowlers on display. But in tests, if the batsmen did not go after him, DV for the last half of his career (if not longer) had nothing to rip the batsman out with. He needed them to attack him. That is the reality. A blockathon vs DV posed no problems. Mark Craig on a 5th day wicket posed far more problems than DV to batsmen; for whatever reason. Mark Craig is a much inferior spinner to DV, but he would rip the ball and get some big turn, and on day 5, batsmen would wilt to him. Even Pakistanian batsmen. Want to talk strategy, all round ability or even fielding, Dan is up there, want to talk purely spin bowling, he had limitations despite his wonderful control. The sad part for Dan, is got far better results when the attack had Bond as a spearhead in it. But without a spearhead to the attack, Dan was merely a good test spinner. nothing exceptional, whereas Murali was the spearhead.

I agree with your comments on leg spin, and that is why I base the opinion on Sodhi that I do. Ish is only 24. He is a big turner and a great limited overs prospect. He has regularly taken down the best Indian, Australian and all comer batsmen with his leggies. He is becomming a known player in the limited overs cricketing world. But; his bowling inaccuracy does not suit test cricket at all, there are too many bad balls that are far too short, or far too over pitched. Now he can rip a side apart on day 5, but so could Mark Craig, he needs to bowl economically on days 1 to 3. His test E/R is 3.76 at 47, FC is 3.8 at 38. His FC SR of 61 is acceptable, but the ER is too high still. Still too many boundary balls.His test SR of 74 is too high. So while Ish needs to master controlling his length to succeed in test cricket, which as you say is a very difficult art to master, and I agree, he faces still competiton from Mitch Santner, Todd Astle, and Jeetan Patel who are now pegging above him in tests, as well as A Patel and T Nethula (leggie) snapping at his heels.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/newzealand/content/player/213674.html You'll see how favorably his numbers compare to Sodhi's. Also, what isn't apparent, is that Sodhi plays half of his own games on a spin friendly pitch in Hamilton, where one side of the block is flat, the other side is a (green) "dustbowl" as Faf and ABDV put it. It turns sharply and surprisingly as many touring teams have been finding out of late.

Not only can Todd bat, he is also a leggie. Not as ripping s Ish, but enough to beat the bat and strike.

I personally was aggrieved when Patel replaced Ish for the ODI matches for Safrica. I thought it was the wrong call and far too hard on Ish after his WT20 and Australian odi match performances in crunch games. I disagree with Patel in tests, but not because of Sodhi, in tests it is Astle's turn in my opinion with Santner.

NZ, while lacking a freak like Bond or Hadlee, can even with injuries, put out a bowling attack that is so well balanced, it can get the best sides out regularly for around 300 or less as Pakistan and Safrica discovered this year. There is CDG's nibble, Boult and Southee new ball swing, Wagner reverse swing and bounce in banging it in, (and perhaps soon Kuggeleijn also hitting the deck hard) what these guys need is a support act to spell them as well s finish the job on day 5. Hesson is going with Patel now, I prefer Astle, we both have Santner in the support, neither of us have Sodhi as the best choice for the role.

Sodhi is pegging #4 at best in tests with A Patel and T Nethula snapping at his heels.
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Peter Fulton Retires from FIRST CLASS CRICKET

Peter Fulton played 23 Tests for New Zealand, scoring 967 runs at 25.44

Peter Fulton, the former New Zealand batsman, has announced his retirement from first-class cricket. Fulton, 38, played 23 Tests, 49 ODIs and 12 T20Is, and enjoyed a long and fruitful domestic career with Canterbury, ending up as their most capped player and highest run-getter. On Saturday, the Canterbury side he was part of won its third Plunket Shield title in four years.

Fulton scored 967 runs in 23 Tests at an average of 25.44, with two hundreds, both coming in the same match, against England at Eden Park in March 2013. He made 1334 runs in 49 ODIs at 32.53, with one century, against Sri Lanka at McLean Park in 2006.

"From making my debut, I never would have thought I would play this many times and achieve these records for Canterbury," Fulton said. "At that stage, I was just stoked to play one. When I was growing up I had dreams of playing for Canterbury and New Zealand, but when I was younger I didn't think I was going to do it. I am very proud to have played that many games and experienced so much success with different Canterbury teams throughout my career."

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Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:28 am

Misty you never did reply about getting the link to artcicles and footage of Nair, Sangha and Uppal.

Never quite hit the level required for Test cricket did 2metre Peter.

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Postby Paddles » Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:32 am

baggygreenmania wrote:Misty you never did reply about getting the link to artcicles and footage of Nair, Sangha and Uppal.

Never quite hit the level required for Test cricket did 2metre Peter.


Following in the traditions of K Rutherford, J Crowe, C Harris and M Sinclair.

At least M Guptil has cracked the pyjama stuff as a specialist bat.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:39 am

How on earth did Alex Doolan take out the Ricky Ponting award as Tassie's Player of the Year? :o Veteran George Bailey was by far and away the best overall domestic player for Tassie yet Doolan who had a good Matador Cup tournament and a moderate Shield tournament takes the spoils.

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Postby Mick180461 » Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:58 am

baggygreenmania wrote:How on earth did Alex Doolan take out the Ricky Ponting award as Tassie's Player of the Year? :o Veteran George Bailey was by far and away the best overall domestic player for Tassie yet Doolan who had a good Matador Cup tournament and a moderate Shield tournament takes the spoils.

It appears the Matador Cup carries more weight than the Shield Baggers, either that or Bailey is being punished for Tassies poor season. Bailey didn't play in the Matador Cup.

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Postby Mick180461 » Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:40 pm

U19 3day match beginning today in Hobart, live streaming on Cricket.com(probably as cold as it looks), no Austin Waugh in the Aussie side toay (pity). Australia being lead by Wil Sutherland, son of CA supremo James Sutherland(family connections always help)

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Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Apr 08, 2017 12:10 am

SOK is again in hot water with CA. He evidently can not keep his big mouth shut when under the influence of alcohol. Simple amswer SOK stay off the booze.

Sutherland will skipper the only Youth Test while Jason Sangha and Param Uppal will share the captaincy duties in the one dayers MIck. THis is a good chance to see how our likely U19 squad are travelling this far out from the WC next February. The live stream looks ok. Weather cool but fine also. Tomorrow looks pretty crappy weatherwise.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Apr 08, 2017 12:15 am

http://www.cricket.com.au/news/australi ... 2017-04-08 Sri Lanka wins toss and bowling on a cool overcast day in Tassie. Mike will be spewing over the large Blues contingent. Four of the top six are from our fair state. Quicks Ian Carlisle and Ryan Hadley are also Blues. :lmao:

One of the interesting thing about these selections is four of the top six also have another string to their bows. Uppal and Sangha bowl tidy spin while Edwards and Merlo are more than handy pacemen. Will Sutherland is more a genuine all rounder.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Apr 08, 2017 12:44 am

Three gone in first hour. Lankans are getting good swing in these conditions. Our boys are not being patient.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Apr 08, 2017 1:32 am

Good consolidation by Sangha and Edwards thru to lunch. Also good acceleration after lunch by these two.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:35 am

Centuries to Jack Edwards and Jonathan Merlo has powered the Aussie U19 to a strong 6 dec for 309 in their Youth Test against Sri Lanka today. At stumps the visitors were 1-38 with Ryan Hadley sending their opener back to the sheds.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Apr 08, 2017 11:08 pm

Rain predicted for much of today in Hobart so little likelihood of any play in the Youth Test.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Mick180461 » Sun Apr 09, 2017 12:07 am

baggygreenmania wrote:Rain predicted for much of today in Hobart so little likelihood of any play in the Youth Test.

Bugger.
James Pattinson has followed up his 3/55 with a score of 89* after Notts was 7/167, then has helped Leicester collapse to 6/51 with bowling figures of 2/21. Pattinson is really starting to show some genuine ability with the bat, scored 2 100s this season for his grade side while getting back to full fitness..

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Apr 09, 2017 12:43 am

Tassie cricket could be on the improve after former Saffer leftie Gary Kirsten signs on to coach the Tigers for the next two years. Got my wires crossed. Kirsten will be coaching BBL side the Hobart Hurricanes not the Tigers.

So important for quicks these days to be able to hold a bat. That ability now has Pattinson a certainty for the Ashes if he can remain fit.. Evidently this Aussie U19 outfit bat down to 10.. even 11 is no mug. Most of the batsmen also bowl.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Mick180461 » Sun Apr 09, 2017 1:11 am

There's signs that Pattinson maybe a little bit better than a talented Tailender with the bat, could be a genuine bowling Allrounder batting as high as 7.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Apr 09, 2017 1:39 am

Agree. He is more than a tailender who bats. Paddo looked most impressive in the latter part of the Shield. He looks to have a fair technique unlike Starc.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Mick180461 » Sun Apr 09, 2017 3:08 am

baggygreenmania wrote:Agree. He is more than a tailender who bats. Paddo looked most impressive in the latter part of the Shield. He looks to have a fair technique unlike Starc.

The thing is not only is he scoring runs on hot February-March days on hard Australian wickets but he's backed it up on a cold early April day in England on a soft wicket.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:58 am

Has he played in England before Mick? Not even easy for specialist batsmen to acclimatize early on English decks. This batting will be impressing the selectors.

Our youngsters have taken a strong grip on the Youth Test. Some good promising bowlers among the U19 attack. Last time I was as excited about a 17 year as I am about Ian Carlisle was Pat Cummins. Caution tho as we all know what happened to him after bursting into Test cricket as an 18 year old. Carlisle, from Camden in south west Sydney reminds me in his run up of Brett Lee. He could well turn out as quick as him too. A name to watch out for.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Mick180461 » Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:14 am

baggygreenmania wrote:Has he played in England before Mick? Not even easy for specialist batsmen to acclimatize early on English decks. This batting will be impressing the selectors.

Our youngsters have taken a strong grip on the Youth Test. Some good promising bowlers among the U19 attack. Last time I was as excited about a 17 year as I am about Ian Carlisle was Pat Cummins. Caution tho as we all know what happened to him after bursting into Test cricket as an 18 year old. Carlisle, from Camden in south west Sydney reminds me in his run up of Brett Lee. He could well turn out as quick as him too. A name to watch out for.

Patto played 2 tests in the 2013 Ashes series.
Yea relly like the look of the 4 bowlers I've got to see so far Evans, Hadley, Carlisle & Pope. If they bowl again tomorrow Baggers, have a look at the Zach Evans follow through it is the weirdest one I've ever seen, he is completly off the wkt within 3 strides of releasing the ball and running down on the next pitch over, bowling around the wkt is going to be a problem though. Pope bowled a bit full but that is suppose to be a lot better sign in a young Leggie than bowling to short. A good age for young quicks to be comming through too, by the time they are around 23-24 the likes of Hazlewood, Pattinson & Starc will be approaching the time to go and a play T20 fulltime to top up the retirement fund.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Mick180461 » Sun Apr 09, 2017 10:59 pm

Chris Lynn has done his shoulder again, got to be some doubt about his ability to sustain a career now. The Shoulder just can't stay in place.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:02 pm

No I meant is this Patto's first County season. As he looks at home on their early season, tricky decks.
Sufficient play yesterday between the rain for the boys to now have time to win this. Need the last wicket quickly then throw the bat for an hour or so. I had not noticed Evan's follow thru Mick. Will look today. Ryan Hadley has a rather ungainly run to the wicket . Check that out. Pope got both his wickets with full turning balls.. as you say better full than short. May start calling him the Ginga Ninga with that flock of red hair. Lynny is cursed. T20 if anything for him from now on.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Mick180461 » Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:12 pm

baggygreenmania wrote:No I meant is this Paddo's first County season. As he looks at home on their early season, tricky decks.
Sufficient play yesterday between the rain for the boys to now have time to win this. Need the last wicket quickly then throw the bat for an hour or so. I had not noticed Evan's follow thru Mick. Will look today. Ryan Hadley has a rather ungainly run to the wicket . Check that out. Pope got both his wickets with full turning balls.. as you say better full than short. May start calling him the Ginga Ninga with that flock of red hair. Lynny is cursed. T20 if anything for him from now on.

Pattos bio doesn't have another county team on his Bio so probably 1st season, does average a very credible 27 in Tests.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Paddles » Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:09 am

He may have played League cricket over there before as he has strong family ties to England.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Apr 10, 2017 2:36 am

The kids aqre throwing away wickets in search for quick runs. Have to be careful. Still perhaps a lead of 260/270 is sufficient.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Misty » Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:06 am

Ya but I just noticed sangha played carefully crafted innings of 40 odd in the first innings but stumped out in the second,i do not know why youth games 3 day game plus its only multiday while others are ODI.

Spinner Wickrama took 4 cheap wicket because kiddo slogs for quick runs.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Misty » Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:09 am

Mick180461 wrote:Chris Lynn has done his shoulder again, got to be some doubt about his ability to sustain a career now. The Shoulder just can't stay in place.


You say Again? So I can not put him for best of t20 IPL seasons 10
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:07 am

Misty wrote:Ya but I just noticed sangha played carefully crafted innings of 40 odd in the first innings but stumped out in the second,i do not know why youth games 3 day game plus its only multiday while others are ODI.

Spinner Wickrama took 4 cheap wicket because kiddo slogs for quick runs.

Misty you are getting the live stream in Gujarat? So you are saying you do not understand why they are playing three day Youth Test and not one day game? Is that correct. I have to question why CA does not have our underage cricketers playing more red ball cricket at national level instead of all white ball. This must be the Australian boys first taste of top level red ball international cricket. They look to be coping very well. So Misty you are also getting the live stream in India

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Mick180461 » Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:23 am

Misty wrote:
Mick180461 wrote:Chris Lynn has done his shoulder again, got to be some doubt about his ability to sustain a career now. The Shoulder just can't stay in place.


You say Again? So I can not put him for best of t20 IPL seasons 10

Sorry replying to wrong post, my post below is in reference to the Aus-SL U19 match.
This match will be followed by five 50 over games. The highlight of U19 Cricket is the 50 over WC, which is next held in NZud next year, where Australian U19 teams are 2 for 2 in winning the U19 WC.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:06 am

The U19 Youth Test has ended in a predictable draw after most of second day was washed out. It was all in all a good game of cricket. The Aussies showed that they have the nucleus of a very good side that should go well at the WC next February. Jack Edwards and Jonathan Merlo were the stars with the bat both tonning up while pacemen Zac Evans and Ryan Hadley both took four fors. The Sri Lankans were worthy opponents with several standing out.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Misty » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:55 am

56/12/201/7 Lucky escape but Hadley and Evans really very good talent besides wickramasinghe who took 6 wits haul.

Now only ODI will be starts soon.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Misty » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:57 am

I see so rains saved them but why Edward and Merlot batted so low down?
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Misty » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:06 am

baggygreenmania wrote:
Misty wrote:Ya but I just noticed sangha played carefully crafted innings of 40 odd in the first innings but stumped out in the second,i do not know why youth games 3 day game plus its only multiday while others are ODI.

Spinner Wickrama took 4 cheap wicket because kiddo slogs for quick runs.

Misty you are getting the live stream in Gujarat? So you are saying you do not understand why they are playing three day Youth Test and not one day game? Is that correct. I have to question why CA does not have our underage cricketers playing more red ball cricket at national level instead of all white ball. This must be the Australian boys first taste of top level red ball international cricket. They look to be coping very well. So Misty you are also getting the live stream in India


No my friend we not get live stream in India.I was member once for Australian cricket family website but they denied to provides because of internate rights.

Other concern of 3 day = any game with 270 overs not produces results so I figures out 360 overs could be enough for results.

Only stream = Live on TV were BBL both mens and womens from Australia showing live but under 19 never, but under U.khawaja A team were showing lives on TV and audio on BCCI.TV
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