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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:32 am

Misty wrote:
Misty wrote:ParAm And sangha out in same over off RANSIKA but interesting game.aus.will win anyway.



Edward depart As well, 50 for 4 but Austin Steve Waugh still not out, big challenge for him.

Austin appears to have a similar temperament to his famous dad. Playing a similar knock here to that which he played in the final of the Australian U17 final.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:22 am

Australia takes out the series. Waugh 60, Evans 4-30, and Merlo 42* the stars.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:46 am

Max Bryant reminds me of Aaron Finch.. similar build and both give the ball a fearful whack.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Apr 23, 2017 1:48 am

Jason Sangha looking special against the accurate Lankan spinners. :D Holes out on 59 to give the boys a sizeable total now.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Apr 23, 2017 2:13 am

Param sends Sutherland in ahead of himself as an obvious pinch hitter with 16 overs remaining.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Apr 23, 2017 2:55 am

Couple of late boundaries gets the kids a competitive 4-244. Good knock by Spoors but he needs to step it up and be scoring a run a ball in the final 10.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:04 am

A solid bowling effort from our U19 boys to take the points again. Man of Series will be interesting. I can not find overall stats for the series..so will guess. Jack Edwards with runs in both formats will go close. Others in the mix are Param Uppal, Zac Evans, Lloyd Pope and Will Sutherland..all are promising and should be in the World Cup squad... but they may regard Edwards at just turning 17, too young.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Mick180461 » Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:04 am

CA have announced there preferred contract list for 2017-18, those offered contracts for the first time include Billy Stanlake, Hilton Cartwright and Ashton Agar, those missing include Shaun Marsh, Peter Nevill, Janes Faulkner & Peter Siddle.
Only 1 keeper on the list. This does not preclude anyone from being selected and players can be added as Mat Renshaw & Peter Handscomb were last year.
Also there is no certainty that the contracts will be signed as the players association is yet to sign off on the current deal.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Paddles » Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:12 am

I read that Pat Cummins broke into the top 5 with Smith, Warner, Hazelwood, and Starc.

Got the full list?
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Katto » Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:53 am

Paddles wrote:I read that Pat Cummins broke into the top 5 with Smith, Warner, Hazelwood, and Starc.

Got the full list?


'poor man's Pattinson'

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Mick180461 » Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:03 am

Paddles wrote:I read that Pat Cummins broke into the top 5 with Smith, Warner, Hazelwood, and Starc.

Got the full list?

Agar, Bird, Cartwright, Cummins, Finch, Handscomb, Hazlewood, Head, Khawaja, Lyon, M Marsh, Maxwell, Pattinson, Renshaw, Smith, Stanlake, Starc, Wade, Warner, Zampa.
I would provide a link but i can't get a link to work from Crickinfo, probably the Browser I'm using.

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Postby Going South » Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:24 pm

If you got your message inbox full you are supposed to delete all old messages so that there is space for new ones. Do this periodically.

IPL is the best gauge of current talent for any player. Check for player points, the higher your rating, better you are. Your purchase cost etc does not matter.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:34 pm

Some omission shocks Mick and a few new boys like Hilton Cartwright.. :o Looks like the careers of Siddle, Nevill and SOK are all but over.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-24/o ... tion=sport
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Katto » Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:34 pm

Going South wrote:IPL is the best gauge of current talent for any player. Check for player points, the higher your rating, better you are. Your purchase cost etc does not matter.


LOL

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:34 pm

Going South wrote:If you got your message inbox full you are supposed to delete all old messages so that there is space for new ones. Do this periodically.

IPL is the best gauge of current talent for any player. Check for player points, the higher your rating, better you are. Your purchase cost etc does not matter.

Thanks pal. I have sorted my message folder now.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:52 am

Katto wrote:
Going South wrote:IPL is the best gauge of current talent for any player. Check for player points, the higher your rating, better you are. Your purchase cost etc does not matter.


LOL

Twaddle . Is that meant to be a joke. Perhaps for flat track show ponies but not for those with a decent technique. CA offers contracts on performances in all formats not just T20. Blokes like Lynn, Finch are as far away from the test side as they can be but they are the first picked in the shorter formats.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:51 am

Katto wrote:
Paddles wrote:I read that Pat Cummins broke into the top 5 with Smith, Warner, Hazelwood, and Starc.

Got the full list?


'poor man's Pattinson'

:nana:

Full list Paddles. http://www.cricket.com.au/news/cricket- ... 2017-04-24

Katto Cummins will prove over the next 12 months that he is far from a " poor man's Pattinson".
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Mick180461 » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:19 am

baggygreenmania wrote:Some omission shocks Mick and a few new boys like Hilton Cartwright.. :o Looks like the careers of Siddle, Nevill and SOK are all but over.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-24/o ... tion=sport

Siddle yes, Nevill, there is only 1 keeper on the list so wouldn't right him off yet. O'Keeffe is probably being punished for his latest indiscretions, there is no way CA could offer him a contract at this time. Still think he will be on the plane to Bangladesh and if he has a good tour will be contracted afterwards.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Mick180461 » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:22 am

In the memories of Tibby Cotter & Hedley Verity and all other Cricketers who made ultimate sacrifice.

Lest we forget

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:35 am

Some good news for omitted keepers Pete Nevill and Tim Paine and one of my fave cricketers George Bailey Mick. http://www.cricket.com.au/news/george-b ... 2017-04-24
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:36 am

Mick180461 wrote:In the memories of Tibby Cotter & Hedley Verity and all other Cricketers who made ultimate sacrifice.

Lest we forget

Lest We Forget. :bow:

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:41 am

Mick180461 wrote:
baggygreenmania wrote:Some omission shocks Mick and a few new boys like Hilton Cartwright.. :o Looks like the careers of Siddle, Nevill and SOK are all but over.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-24/o ... tion=sport

Siddle yes, Nevill, there is only 1 keeper on the list so wouldn't right him off yet. O'Keeffe is probably being punished for his latest indiscretions, there is no way CA could offer him a contract at this time. Still think he will be on the plane to Bangladesh and if he has a good tour will be contracted afterwards.

Mick I think it is more than just punishment for SOK. Looks a complete swap between he and Agar. Some glowing praise from Hohns on the West Aussie tweaker. His recent conduct and a moderate (he did allbut single-handedly win us a test match otherwise I would have written poor) Indian tour did not help his cause.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:55 am

http://www.cricket.com.au/news/new-zeal ... 2017-04-24

Baggers here Paddles. No great surprises in the Black Caps Champions Trophy squad. Except Jeetan Patel for Ish Sodhi. Is Ish injured ?

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Katto » Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:14 pm

baggygreenmania wrote:
Katto wrote:
'poor man's Pattinson'

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Full list Paddles. http://www.cricket.com.au/news/cricket- ... 2017-04-24

Katto Cummins will prove over the next 12 months that he is far from a " poor man's Pattinson".


its Paddles assessment not mine
I was reminding him

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Paddles » Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:37 pm

baggygreenmania wrote:http://www.cricket.com.au/news/new-zealand-name-injured-trio-for-champions-trophy-anderson-milne-mcclenaghan-williamson/2017-04-24

Baggers here Paddles. No great surprises in the Black Caps Champions Trophy squad. Except Jeetan Patel for Ish Sodhi. Is Ish injured ?


Ish is not injured. He's been overlooked for local boy Jeetan as the Champions trophy matches are at his home ground in Birmingham and Cardiff where Jeets has convinced the selectors he does well. Todd Astle (tests) and Ish (white ball) are being given a raw serve by this Jeetan Patel thing. Hopefully it ends soon.

Matt Henry was the closest bowler to miss out - but he's been warming the bench too often in both Black Caps odi and now IPL to really give himself a chance to demonstrate his wares. Munro was pipped by Anderson and Neesham for the #6 batting role. Neil Broom, ought to consider himself lucky, but apparently he was competing with the ordinary Henry Nicholls for the #5 role. All domestic batsmen ought to see the problem with the wicket keeper and #5 and really look to press their claims after this ICC event.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Paddles » Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:45 pm

Katto wrote:
baggygreenmania wrote:Full list Paddles. http://www.cricket.com.au/news/cricket- ... 2017-04-24

Katto Cummins will prove over the next 12 months that he is far from a " poor man's Pattinson".


its Paddles assessment not mine
I was reminding him


Pat Cummins has 42 FC wickets in his entire 6 years of FC cricket.

James Pattinson has 44 FC wickets since February.

But it seems to be at the Champions League, and then to the Ashes if all goes well in England, Australia is planning on unleashing a Starc, Hazelwood, Pattinson, Cummins blitzkreig in a 4 prong pace attack. I'll find the Champions Trophy of the Safrican (and English) allrounders vs Aus 4 pacemen quite intriguing. I think it is better suited to tests than to ODI as a philosophy but 4 quality pacemen can just knock teams over regardless of the format.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:52 am

baggygreenmania wrote:A solid bowling effort from our U19 boys to take the points again. Man of Series will be interesting. I can not find overall stats for the series..so will guess. Jack Edwards with runs in both formats will go close. Others in the mix are Param Uppal, Zac Evans, Lloyd Pope and Will Sutherland..all are promising and should be in the World Cup squad... but they may regard Edwards at just turning 17, too young.

I was pretty spot on with my choice of Man of Series. Param Uppal and Jack Edwards were joint winners. Carrot topped leggie Lloyd Pope and quick Zac Evans could also have taken out the gong.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:04 am

Pattinson certainly made the correct move to play English cricket this winter. He has 20 wickets @11+ in just three matches and with Stu Broad has Notts undefeated.

Bit harsh to compare Cummins with Pattinson on Cummins past record Paddles. Compare them on recent performances. Cummins has been great since coming back to all forms of cricket. I like his attitude. He has matured in mind as well as age.

I see Cummins and Patto battling out one spot in our Ashes squad. On the other hand they could play all four quicks at the Gabba or in Perth. As for the Champs Trophy Pattinson should be first quick picked on form. Starc and Hazlewood will be underdone. Are they playing any cricket? I would liked to have seen Hazlewood join Patto in England.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Paddles » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:56 am

baggygreenmania wrote:Pattinson certainly made the correct move to play English cricket this winter. He has 20 wickets @11+ in just three matches and with Stu Broad has Notts undefeated.

Bit harsh to compare Cummins with Pattinson on Cummins past record Paddles. Compare them on recent performances. Cummins has been great since coming back to all forms of cricket. I like his attitude. He has matured in mind as well as age.

I see Cummins and Patto battling out one spot in our Ashes squad. On the other hand they could play all four quicks at the Gabba or in Perth. As for the Champs Trophy Pattinson should be first quick picked on form. Starc and Hazlewood will be underdone. Are they playing any cricket? I would liked to have seen Hazlewood join Patto in England.


Maybe a bit harsh, but the point is valid. Recently (February, March and April this year) Pattinson has taken more wickets with the red ball than Cummins ever has, last 3 months, or last 6 years. So its a bit premature of Katto to quip that I think that Pattinson is the superior bowler of the two.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Mick180461 » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:30 am

[quote="Paddles

Maybe a bit harsh, but the point is valid. Recently (February, March and April this year) Pattinson has taken more wickets with the red ball than Cummins ever has, last 3 months, or last 6 years. So its a bit premature of Katto to quip that I think that Pattinson is the superior bowler of the two.[/quote]
You are comparing 2 different bowlers in different teams against different opposition. Cummins last 2 Red ball matches were tests on Indian wkts which gave him no assistance whatesoever, Pattinson has been bowling on damp early season English wkts in the English 2nd Division, a standard of Cricket not much better than Australian Futures League.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Paddles » Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:15 am

Mick180461 wrote:[quote="Paddles

Maybe a bit harsh, but the point is valid. Recently (February, March and April this year) Pattinson has taken more wickets with the red ball than Cummins ever has, last 3 months, or last 6 years. So its a bit premature of Katto to quip that I think that Pattinson is the superior bowler of the two.

You are comparing 2 different bowlers in different teams against different opposition. Cummins last 2 Red ball matches were tests on Indian wkts which gave him no assistance whatesoever, Pattinson has been bowling on damp early season English wkts in the English 2nd Division, a standard of Cricket not much better than Australian Futures League.
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Indeed I am comparing 2 different bowlers from 2 different teams playing on different pitches against different opposition recently. *And, for the record, I still think Pattinson is better at the moment based on both recent and past developments and I still think Katto has no recent grounds to quip.

As for your Futures League comment - how did the national Aussie team go in 2015 against Northampton and Derby?

Not to mention Pattinson's been shining next to choice of ends team mate Stuart Broad - you may have heard of him from Australian Futures League before.

* This happens globally now in picking national teams for all countries.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:43 am

Your last para is telling. I do not like this prep as I do not likeour inadequate Test prep. As they seem to put some significance on this CT we should at least be taking it more seriously. How the hell are blokes smashing the ball to all corners on flat Indian tracks going to cope with early English summer seaming and likely swinging decks. I do not know if Starc or Hazlewood have even been playing any cricket since India. Resting I suppose. Starc thru injury. Glenn McGrath always said how he wanted to be bowling not resting to get the best performance out of himself.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Katto » Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:03 am

Paddles wrote:
Mick180461 wrote:[quote="Paddles

Maybe a bit harsh, but the point is valid. Recently (February, March and April this year) Pattinson has taken more wickets with the red ball than Cummins ever has, last 3 months, or last 6 years. So its a bit premature of Katto to quip that I think that Pattinson is the superior bowler of the two.

You are comparing 2 different bowlers in different teams against different opposition. Cummins last 2 Red ball matches were tests on Indian wkts which gave him no assistance whatesoever, Pattinson has been bowling on damp early season English wkts in the English 2nd Division, a standard of Cricket not much better than Australian Futures League.
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Indeed I am comparing 2 different bowlers from 2 different teams playing on different pitches against different opposition recently. *And, for the record, I still think Pattinson is better at the moment based on both recent and past developments and I still think Katto has no recent grounds to quip.


how many test wickets has Pattinson gotten since February compared to Cummins?

You were the one to make the comparisons, you were the one to assess Cummins as being "poor man's Pattinson".

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Paddles » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:38 am

Katto wrote:
Paddles wrote:.

Indeed I am comparing 2 different bowlers from 2 different teams playing on different pitches against different opposition recently. *And, for the record, I still think Pattinson is better at the moment based on both recent and past developments and I still think Katto has no recent grounds to quip.


how many test wickets has Pattinson gotten since February compared to Cummins?

You were the one to make the comparisons, you were the one to assess Cummins as being "poor man's Pattinson".

Yes Katto - I don't deny it. What's ya point with Australia losing one of those tests and not winning the other with Cummins taking 8 wickets at over 30 each?

Didn't Yadav star in the final test to wrap it up?

Now if you want to say you like Cummins more than Pattinson just like you like chocolate more than vanilla - so be it. I am unable to argue against that. But Pattinson's bowling top shelf still.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Paddles » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:50 am

baggygreenmania wrote:Your last para is telling. I do not like this prep as I do not likeour inadequate Test prep. As they seem to put some significance on this CT we should at least be taking it more seriously. How the hell are blokes smashing the ball to all corners on flat Indian tracks going to cope with early English summer seaming and likely swinging decks. I do not know if Starc or Hazlewood have even been playing any cricket since India. Resting I suppose. Starc thru injury. Glenn McGrath always said how he wanted to be bowling not resting to get the best performance out of himself.


EWCB is likely to ask for flat pitches with a tonne of runs. Seems to be their ODI style since after 2015 WC. But there's likely to always some swing, more some days.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:26 pm

Swing comes with the overcast. Hopefully by June we will get some sunshine and fast scoring. Oh the poor old bowler his lot is not an easy one.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:33 pm

Former Tasmanian Shield-winning quick Adam Griffith is the new Tassie Tigers head coach. A good appointment says his former WA cricket boss Justin Langer. Griffith was a much under rated bowler in my view. Could well have played for his country had there not been such a strong attack at his time. He was part of the Tigers Shield winning side in 2006/7.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:42 pm

Little is written about womens cricket on sports forums. Probably because they rarely play the pure format of the game other than between Australia and England and even then it is only one match every blue moon.
Southern Stars World Cup preliminary squad which will defend their title in June in England.
http://www.cricket.com.au/news/southern ... 2017-04-27

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Paddles » Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:20 am

baggygreenmania wrote:Swing comes with the overcast. Hopefully by June we will get some sunshine and fast scoring. Oh the poor old bowler his lot is not an easy one.


There was prodigious new ball swing there in 2015 as 330 to nigh 400 scores were being posted regularly.

That made the 1st 10 overs or so of each innings more interesting and competitive for the bowlers. But by the back end of each innings - even Boult (pre injury) was unable to find any shape.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Paddles » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:03 am

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Katto » Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:38 am

Paddles wrote:
Katto wrote:
how many test wickets has Pattinson gotten since February compared to Cummins?

You were the one to make the comparisons, you were the one to assess Cummins as being "poor man's Pattinson".

Yes Katto - I don't deny it. What's ya point with Australia losing one of those tests and not winning the other with Cummins taking 8 wickets at over 30 each?

Didn't Yadav star in the final test to wrap it up?

Now if you want to say you like Cummins more than Pattinson just like you like chocolate more than vanilla - so be it. I am unable to argue against that. But Pattinson's bowling top shelf still.


I'm not saying either.
I'm only questioning your 'poor mans...' assessment

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Paddles » Mon May 01, 2017 6:44 am

Katto wrote:
Paddles wrote:Yes Katto - I don't deny it. What's ya point with Australia losing one of those tests and not winning the other with Cummins taking 8 wickets at over 30 each?

Didn't Yadav star in the final test to wrap it up?

Now if you want to say you like Cummins more than Pattinson just like you like chocolate more than vanilla - so be it. I am unable to argue against that. But Pattinson's bowling top shelf still.


I'm not saying either.
I'm only questioning your 'poor mans...' assessment

My assesment is Pattinson > Cummins.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Katto » Mon May 08, 2017 4:46 am

Paddles wrote:
Katto wrote:
I'm not saying either.
I'm only questioning your 'poor mans...' assessment

My assesment is Pattinson > Cummins.


No, your assessment is he's considerably better enough to label the other guy a "poor man's" version

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Paddles » Mon May 08, 2017 7:44 am

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Paddles wrote:My assesment is Pattinson > Cummins.


No, your assessment is he's considerably better enough to label the other guy a "poor man's" version


Your comprehension of English needs some remedying Katto. You've added in considerable, when I could use the idiom at merely significant.

The "poor man's" idiom focuses on the similarities in nature where one is better than the other. The degree of being better, from significant all the way through to considerable, is both silent and irrelevant. Heck, technically you could use it at marginally better, but that would possibly have unintended consequences of confusing some readers to the intended meaning with attempted irony, and thus best be avoided unless the item or further elaboration in the discussion makes the intended meaning clear, but a great hyperbolic tool nevertheless. Significant is the standard implied if not hyperbolic where just barely marginally better suffices, and if you want to infer degree as vast as considerable; it certainly is not implied by the phrase.

Here they are both rfm bowlers who bowl with pace, over 140km/h, and Cummins while taller of the two, both are over 6 foot. Cummins like Pattinson looks for an outswinger at times, and they both are happy to bang it in to ge the batsmen to play back. There are similarities, in my view, sufficient to use the phrase poor man's where I think Pattinson is definitely the better. We've had this conversation previously. You know my take on it.

a poor man's
a poor man's somebody/something
someone or something that is similar to a well-known person or thing but is not as good


http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/a+poor+man%27s

used about someone who is less successful, popular etc when compared with another person


http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/a-poor-man-s-something

A poor man's something: Something or someone that can be compared to something or someone else, but is not as good is a poor man's version; a writer who uses lots of puns but isn't very funny would be a poor man's Oscar Wilde.


http://www.english-for-students.com/Idioms-A.html

Now if you want to put words in my mouth, to subsequently destroy my argument, all you have built is a straw man. You may be right, and I may think Pattinson is considerably, much more than significantly, better than Cummins, but I havn't said that nor implied that. Your inference from the words I used is mistaken, even if so.

Now I could tell you that the guy at the Karaoke bar is only a mediocre singer, and that he is a poor man's Frank Sinatra who was considerably better, or I could tell you that Dean Martin or Michael Bubble, both excellent singers with many albums published and sold, were and are both poor man's Frank Sinatra who was significantly better. As long as one is better, the idiom is able to be used.

While the poor man's version of stuff may often not be of a good quality, the quality itself may be more than mediocre to good, but never the best; its the comparison to something even better that gives the idiom its teeth; even to be used as hyperbole!

Now if you want to pick a fight with me, just do so. But I only speak English, not "Katto-ish".
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Katto » Mon May 08, 2017 12:57 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: this guy

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Going South » Mon May 08, 2017 6:05 pm

ROFL

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby squarecut » Tue May 09, 2017 5:26 am

Seeing that I have difficulty comprehending what is being discussed, let me assume that

Katto= poor man's Paddles

and

Paddles= poor man's Katto

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu May 11, 2017 1:39 am

You are wasting your fingers and time Paddles.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu May 11, 2017 1:40 am

Pete Handscomb is killing them in England in the shorter forms. Has two 50s and a tonned up this week in the ODD show.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Paddles » Thu May 11, 2017 8:09 am

BGM and Mick, if you've seen my NZ cricket thread, and the one I just started for England, it would be great if you guys started an Australian one. It means possibly combining the domestic games and international team selection in the future thoughts outside of the live match threads, but it keeps debate and issues in one place and is more lasting than selection debates in a live thread which then get archived. Or you could keep the domestic threads separate, but I enjoy reading your updates and if they were in once place, more users may get the opportunity to read them in conjunction with your national team updates. The utility of such a thread is more apparent, when thinking where would a contribution about the new WA ground not being built in time for the 2017 Ashes test go, as it is a skinny topic at best for its own thread.

You can keep this thread going, as it is a discrete topic as such, or just contribute solely into an Australian thread of your choosing. Its all in your choosing. I'm not a moderator - so this isn't a direction or order, just a friendly request. But seeing you guys are the lead contributors of all things Australian cricket, it'd be great if you got involved with it and start it yourselves. If you leave me to start it - I may call it "The Home of Sledging - All things Cricket Australia". Your contributions are valued here, so you guys start the thread and choose the name yourselves. Should you do so, I look forward to both reading your contributions and participating in the thread.
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