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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Misty » Mon Apr 10, 2017 11:21 pm

Mick,
Congratulation for 281 points, you are on top of table after first week in CC.Leo last and I am second with 147,SGGH = Boycaught30 hold #3 position.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Mick180461 » Tue Apr 11, 2017 12:41 am

Misty wrote:Mick,
Congratulation for 281 points, you are on top of table after first week in CC.Leo last and I am second with 147,SGGH = Boycaught30 hold #3 position.

Need to pick players that are likely to have full county seasons, noone likely to be picked for England or players from overseas.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Misty » Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:32 am

Ellis won Domestic player of year awards NZC

http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand ... 91691.html
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Apr 13, 2017 12:19 am

Seems the Albion green limited overs uniforms have gone for good. Our U19 boys also wearing the garish yellow that the seniors wear. What happened to taste?

Young Max Bryant put on a quick fire opening stand with the young giant Jack Edwards to get the kids off to a flier. Just for your info Mike (seems to have left us) Bryant may play for the bananabenders but he hails from our side of the border. Another of our home growns poached by your lot because he happened to come form a border town... You lot have done it often with our footy players. :oops:

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:13 am

The promising Param Uppal now has his first international ODI century. He is equally at home against pace or spin in white ball or red ball cricket and looks a natural strokemaker. Param said in a recent interview how excited he was to be playing for his country then after being handed joint captaincy for this series how honored he was to be in charge of his country's cricket side. Now he can add how proud he is to score a century for his country. :grin:

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Mick180461 » Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:46 am

baggygreenmania wrote:The promising Param Uppal now has his first international ODI century. He is equally at home against pace or spin in white ball or red ball cricket and looks a natural strokemaker. Param said in a recent interview how excited he was to be playing for his country then after being handed joint captaincy for this series how honored he was to be in charge of his country's cricket side. Now he can add how proud he is to score a century for his country. :grin:

Kids of Subcontinent descent starting to make real inroads into Australian Cricket including
The Sandhu & Agar brorhers.
Jason Sangha
Param Upal
Arjun Nair.
Great start from Evans & Carlisle with the ball SL U19 now 3/22, Evans is making a strong case to be be named player of the series so far(incl 3 dayer).
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:39 am

Aussies with a 160 run thrashing in the first Youth ODI. Param Uppal with a century and Zac Evans with 4 wickets were the stars of the show.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:45 am

I expect to see two possibly three of those boys you named wearing the Baggy Green within five years. I have already predicted Jason Sangha as an Indian tourist in 2021. The Agar boys not of Indian decent like the rest.. mother is from Sri Lanka , are a talented bunch too. There are still two more brothers making their mark in underage cricket I understand.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Mick180461 » Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:18 pm

baggygreenmania wrote:Yes "MICK" the boys with Indian parentage are becoming more common place in Australian cricket. I expect to see two possibly three of those boys you named wearing the Baggy Green within five years. I have already predicted Jason Sangha as an Indian tourist in 2021. The Agar boys, tho, not of Indian decent.. mother is from Sri Lanka , are a talented bunch too. There are still two more brothers making their mark in underage cricket I understand.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:33 am

Boo boo. Thanks.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Apr 15, 2017 12:24 am

Just like his famous old man 17 year old Austin Waugh also bowls medium pace. Another fine Autumn day in Hobart for the second Youth ODI.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Mick180461 » Sat Apr 15, 2017 1:40 am

baggygreenmania wrote:Just like his famous old man 17 year old Austin Waugh also bowls medium pace. Another fine Autumn day in Hobart for the second Youth ODI.

Great start for Australia SL 5/132, Uppal showing some allround skills 2/22 off 7 overs of offies.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:16 am

Yep. When was the last time Australian cricket boasted a decent slow bowling all rounder. Greg Mathews? Param has all the skills. I see he and Sangha occupying the baggies middle order in the years to come.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:38 am

A disciplined bowling performance has given the tourists their first win of the tour. Half centuries to Param Uppal and Will Sutherland were not sufficient as the Aussies lost wickets at regular intervals. Series score 1-all with three to play.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Paddles » Sat Apr 15, 2017 12:37 pm

baggygreenmania wrote:Yep. When was the last time Australian cricket boasted a decent slow bowling all rounder. Greg Mathews? Param has all the skills. I see he and Sangha occupying the baggies middle order in the years to come.

Michael Bevan springs to mind post Mo. Selected and played as an allrounder during Taylor's non-scoring era. Better with the ball than most would think.

Mark Waugh rated his own spinners quite highly. He and Steve (earlier) effectively ended Mo's potential usefulness in selection.

Marcus North started with a hiss and roar but became loathed by Aus cricket fans for the last half of his fairly brief career.

Mo's bowling in tests in remembered more for his Indian tied test series exploits and not all the bowling failures. AB bowled useful spin. Lehmann and Clarke as well. So really - you often did really need one for a long periods of time as Waugh and AB will tell you on inside cricket.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Mick180461 » Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:52 pm

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baggygreenmania wrote:Yep. When was the last time Australian cricket boasted a decent slow bowling all rounder. Greg Mathews? Param has all the skills. I see he and Sangha occupying the baggies middle order in the years to come.


Mo's bowling in tests in remembered more for his Indian tied test series exploits and not all the bowling failures. AB bowled useful spin. Lehmann and Clarke as well. So really - you often did really need one for a long periods of time as Waugh and AB will tell you on inside cricket.

Monty Noble & George Giffen? Richie Benaud was regarded as an allrounder but his batting record in Tests is only so-so, 2201 runs @24.45, although a genuine no 6 at Shield level with an overall average of 36.50.
By all reports Mathews bowled differently in Tests than he did in Shield Cricket and his non test record is a lot better. He is one of the great alltime Shield Allrounders.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:16 am

Yeh Mathews never quite hit the spot at Test level. Handy runs and wickets without winning us matches. Going back a long way to Noble and Giffen. The thing I am noticing with the new gen and next gen is the number that bat and bowl. Four of the current U19 top 6 do both while the bowlers can all hold a bat. Aussie cricket is looking especially sparkling into the next decade and beyond.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:24 am

Peter Handscomb is becoming acclimatised to English conditions with his best County score (75) to date. Cameron Bancroft continues to get starts without going on for Worcestershire but he at least faced 49 balls and hit 7 4s in his 35. Still no sign of George Bailey at Hampshire.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Paddles » Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:13 am

Mick180461 wrote:
Paddles wrote:
Mo's bowling in tests in remembered more for his Indian tied test series exploits and not all the bowling failures. AB bowled useful spin. Lehmann and Clarke as well. So really - you often did really need one for a long periods of time as Waugh and AB will tell you on inside cricket.

Monty Noble & George Giffen? Richie Benaud was regarded as an allrounder but his batting record in Tests is only so-so, 2201 runs @24.45, although a genuine no 6 at Shield level with an overall average of 36.50.
By all reports Mathews bowled differently in Tests than he did in Shield Cricket and his non test record is a lot better. He is one of the great alltime Shield Allrounders.


And yet his batting went up a notch to test cricket. He oft made vital contributions with the bat.

I see Neil Wagner has started his county season in fine form again. Unleashing a second innings bounceathon and taking 5 wickets (on his way to 6 for the innings) to keep Essex in the match. Of more pressing interest is the rehabilitation of Corey Anderson's bowling with eyes to the Champions Trophy. He bowled 3 ipl overs for 1/23 with a 39* off 22 balls. He wasn't bowling under much pressure, but its good to see him rolling his shoulder over again. Mike Hesson has stated that he is following his bowling form with much interest.

For Australia, boy wonder Pat Cummins has had a very good start to his IPL campaign (outstanding E/R), Warner is scoring some runs again, and Maxwell isn't looking a clown as captain.

I may well appear bias, Maxwell has Amla, Morgan and Miller ahead of Maxwell in the T20 side. Maxwell ought to have seen enough of Guptill against Australian and West Indian international attacks, let Safrican and English attacks to realise that the guy is a world class in pyjama cricket in the past 2.5 years. He has a better T20i and T20 record than all 3 of those ahead of him to boot, even Amla.

KW is simply unlucky. SRH under Moody only have room for Warner with a split of 1 bats, 1 bowler and 2 allrounders being the preferred use of quota for SRH. KW will have to suck it up yet again this year. Put simply, Rashid Khan, Mustafizur, Henriques and Warner all deserve their spots. Personally I think Ben Cutting is getting a lucky ride, but we all know he can be a match winner with the bat (oft out of nowhere), as long as he doesn't lose too many with the ball. I would have KW ahead of Cutting, but, I may also play Khan and Mustafizur ahead of Williamson to go with the established Henriques and Warner. So while I think Moody is possibly underestimating KW, I also think Moody has a smart team plan (and auction strategy in getting Khan this time, and Mustafizur last time) with allrounders Henriques and Cutting that does not favour KW's chances of playing many games. Hopefully he is getting good time in the nets, and a release for next auction, where a team that really need him, like the Lions or DD are able to get him.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:51 am

Is CA serious about winning this Youth ODI series? If so why then have they left out in form Param Uppal? Hobart has turned on another fine Autumn day.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Mick180461 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:46 am

baggygreenmania wrote:Is CA serious about winning this Youth ODI series? If so why then have they left out in form Param Uppal? Hobart has turned on another fine Autumn day.

No Baggers, they are serious about giving everyone some match time in preparation for next years U19 WC, thats what it is all about.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:25 am

Guess that is the case Mick. Still a long way off the WC. Plenty of time to experiment. Wonder what the U19s will de doing between now and then? An overseas tour would do them no harm.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Mick180461 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:37 am

baggygreenmania wrote:Guess that is the case Mick. Still a long way off the WC. Plenty of time to experiment. Wonder what the U19s will de doing between now and then? An overseas tour would do them no harm.

U19s don't play that much Cricket, most of them are students either in HS or 1st year Uni so the Cricket boards have to be mindfull of that, especially here in OZ where there is limited Career opportunities with only 6 states + 8 BBL teams.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Mick180461 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:40 am

Good to see Nathan Coulter-Nile back playing but at 29 i have serious reservations about his ability to stay fit.

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Postby Mick180461 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:31 am

I watched Steve Waugh play a shot today, actually it was Austin Waugh but it was the slog sweep for 6 his Dad played so many times the resemblance was so uncanny.. SL U19 6/58 in reply to Australias 7/251.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:01 am

Jack Edwards and Ryan Hadley were the driving forced behind the thumping win. The hulking Edwards is still only 16 and is showing he could be a future mainstay in ODI cricket. Hadley, while rather expensive took the bowling honors with 4 Lankan wickets. Only Daniel showed any will to hang around for the visitors. Param Uppal will be back for the remaining matches as skipper along with Jason Sangha.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:06 am

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baggygreenmania wrote:Guess that is the case Mick. Still a long way off the WC. Plenty of time to experiment. Wonder what the U19s will de doing between now and then? An overseas tour would do them no harm.

U19s don't play that much Cricket, most of them are students either in HS or 1st year Uni so the Cricket boards have to be mindfull of that, especially here in OZ where there is limited Career opportunities with only 6 states + 8 BBL teams.

Good points Mick. Having said that CA does like to send our U19s overseas for experience. They were in England a couple of years ago and aquitted themselves better than our seniors team had done. This followed on from the previous year when England toured here. These tours are now becoming more commonplace.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:20 am

CA says a Bangladesh tour is closer to a reality after talks with the BCB. The 2 Test tour , pending security considerations, has been set down for August/September in Dhaka. This willl be a solid red ball prep for the Ashes in November.

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Postby Paddles » Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:52 am

Mick180461 wrote:
baggygreenmania wrote:Guess that is the case Mick. Still a long way off the WC. Plenty of time to experiment. Wonder what the U19s will de doing between now and then? An overseas tour would do them no harm.

U19s don't play that much Cricket, most of them are students either in HS or 1st year Uni so the Cricket boards have to be mindfull of that, especially here in OZ where there is limited Career opportunities with only 6 states + 8 BBL teams.


Having said that plenty have dropped out of school and not enrolled in uni and are either in shield team academies with the grade clubs giving them career opportunities where the present focus is very much cricket. By u19's most future, not all, intl or solid first class player talents have emerged and are a cut above their able peers.
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Postby Misty » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:29 am

102 runs victory by Sutherland's team, so looks like sangha dropped from the team.Edward up in batting helped them win 2/1 with 2 to go,
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Mick180461 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:08 pm

Paddles wrote:
Mick180461 wrote:U19s don't play that much Cricket, most of them are students either in HS or 1st year Uni so the Cricket boards have to be mindfull of that, especially here in OZ where there is limited Career opportunities with only 6 states + 8 BBL teams.


Having said that plenty have dropped out of school and not enrolled in uni and are either in shield team academies with the grade clubs giving them career opportunities where the present focus is very much cricket. By u19's most future, not all, intl or solid first class player talents have emerged and are a cut above their able peers.

And there is always the ones who have the talent to go further but are setting there minds on other careers. Unlike NRL or AFL the career opportunities in Australian Cricket are limited and there are no guarantees and the big money doesn't kick in much before there mid 20s.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:34 am

Some exciting new faces in the N P S. They are not all kids either. Alex Carey (24) and two 22 year olds in Marnus Labuchagne and Ryan Gibson headline the new batch. They will play father to several players strutting their stuff in the current U19 series against Sri Lanka like Param Uppal and Ryan Hadley as well as capable keeper Lewin Maladay.

2017 National Performance Squad: Alex Carey (SA), Jackson Coleman (Vic), Michael Cormack (SA), Brendan Doggett (Qld), Jake Doran (Tas), Daniel Fallins (NSW), Jordan Gauci (NSW), Ryan Gibson (NSW), Ryan Hadley (NSW), Josh Inglis (WA), Marnus Labuschagne (Qld), Lewin Maladay (NSW), Ben McDermott (Tas), Tom O'Donnell (Vic), Ben Pengelley (SA), Henry Thornton (NSW), Param Uppal (NSW), Mac Wright (Tas) :)
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Misty » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:36 am

Synergy and paddles,
India vs Newzeland Warm up game will be showing on TV, in india (may 21st oval ) plus available online on Hotstar.com.This for the Champion trophy preparation.

Australia also playing couple of warmups.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Paddles » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:06 am

Mick180461 wrote:
Paddles wrote:
Having said that plenty have dropped out of school and not enrolled in uni and are either in shield team academies with the grade clubs giving them career opportunities where the present focus is very much cricket. By u19's most future, not all, intl or solid first class player talents have emerged and are a cut above their able peers.

And there is always the ones who have the talent to go further but are setting there minds on other careers. Unlike NRL or AFL the career opportunities in Australian Cricket are limited and there are no guarantees and the big money doesn't kick in much before there mid 20s.


True. NZ has an issue that rugby pays more than cricket not incl ipl and t20 leagues, but your 15 NRL squads have plenty of kiwis targetted as youths from nz. Your current cricket squads, not incl bbl have just 1.

Further - your intl cricketers are paid far more than the top NRL players, for a typically longer career due to physical demands plus your domestic cricketers are paid the equivalent to NRL journeyman types.

In Aus, if a kid was talented in both - cricket has the financial appeal sorted imo. Tom Bruce is the 1st nz playet to take cricket over rugby - and yes he's very good at t20 and already applying to all intl leagues. (The BMac story is over told - he knew he was too small to play pro rugby well and he's wasn't a #9).

I guess my point is - the Steve Smiths can leave school early knowing at least a shield or bbl career awaits them. The Lyons have more of a gamble and take on a cricket related trade like groundkeeping as well.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:03 am

Good points Paddles. specially your last para. Guess it could be a case of what diection the parents wants to push the child. Mum wants him to play a less brutal contact sport than rugger while Dad prefers him to be a man and take on the hard stuff. The child does not really have a say unless that are forthrite and just says I do not want to play that. I expect most kids.. my son did.. do not want to let his parents down and go along with them whatever the sport.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Mick180461 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:01 am

The Australian side has been announced for the Champs trophhy
Smith (C)
Warner (vc)
Cummins
Finch
Hastings
Hazlewood
Head
Henriques
Lynn
Maxwell
Pattinson
Starc
Stoinis
Wade
Zampa
Faulkner missing is the major shock and Henriques being selected is perhaps a surprise but he has earned it through form. Lynn is a bit of a gamble due to the fact he only has to look at his shoulder and it pops out.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Mick180461 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:20 am

The other squad announced this week is the National Performance Squad, which sits somewhere between the U19s and Australia A
Some of the better known players include
South Australian Keeper Alex Carey.
Qld batsman Marcus Labushagne.
Tassie Keeper/Batsmen Jake Doran & Ben McDermott.
WA keeper Josh Inglis
NSW Bat Ryan Gibson
Simon O'Donnells son Tom a left arm Quick.
And current U19 stars Param Uppal, Lewin Maladay and Ryan Hadley.
Plus 7 others i know nothing about.
They will spend 3 months at the high performance center in Brisbane and there will also be special programs for Pace Bowlers, Spinners, Keepers and Fielding. The surprise ommission for me is Arjun Nair.
Any of the U19 team still at school would not have been considered for this squad.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:47 am

This Champs Trophy squad is nothing to get enthused about. What is with CA..they have no consistency. Faulkner has been in good ODI form so why has he been omitted. Dumbfounding. How are Stoinis and Henriques seen as better players. Henriques runs hot and cold in all formats. Lynn is a surprise given he has hardly played any form of crciket for almost a year other than two T20s back in Jan and a couple of IPL games. No youngsters.Would have notioned Mathew Rensahw may have made the squad even as a reserve bat. Seems Maxwell is back in CA's good books. I can see the Poms preparing seaming swinging decks and we have picked some of the world's best flat track show ponies. :oops:

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:57 am

Those at school would include Jason Sangha who sits his HSC this year. Nair's omission is a surprise. Perhaps Greg Chappel and his mates do not think he needs polishing. The trip to the MFR Foundation in India would have been beneficial to Arjun no doubt. Perhaps next year. He is still only 18 or may have just turned 19. Seems CA has not given up on Jake Doran. I have to say he is lucky to get a scholarship. Josh Inglis another promising keeper/batsmen. Too would say the latter is his strongest suit.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Paddles » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:37 am

baggygreenmania wrote:This Champs Trophy squad is nothing to get enthused about. What is with CA..they have no consistency. Faulkner has been in good ODI form so why has he been omitted. Dumbfounding. How are Stoinis and Henriques seen as better players. Henriques runs hot and cold in all formats. Lynn is a surprise given he has hardly played any form of crciket for almost a year other than two T20s back in Jan and a couple of IPL games. No youngsters.Would have notioned Mathew Rensahw may have made the squad even as a reserve bat. Seems Maxwell is back in CA's good books. I can see the Poms preparing seaming swinging decks and we have picked some of the world's best flat track show ponies. :oops:


James Faulkner has been found out with the bat of late, esp in itl cricket. He needs to develop more shots to get to the same levels of success. His bowling - while his slower balls are well known - is better than Henriques if not Stoinis. Its a harsh call - but they obv want the batting.

It appears to me Aus will be looking at playing 3 premier quicks plus Zampa or 4 premier quicks. The remaining 10 overs are for Maxwell, Stoinis, Henriques, Head to bowl between them.

This is in contrast to Safrica who will just have Tahir, Rabada and Morkel, with allrounders to bowl 20 overs. Though C Morris is one heck of a bowler despite being an all rounder. Parnel, Pheluckwayo Pretorious are more than useful as well. Only 2 of the 4 will likely play - with Duminy the 6th if needed. Or only 1 - yes 1 - of Rabada or Morkel play with Tahir and the team is stacked with allround talents of Morris and Pretorious with either Parnel or Pheluckwayo.

Safrica are batting deep now. Very deep.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:40 am

Big day fror Param Uppal who takes the reins for the U19s in their penultimate Youth ODI.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:45 am

Paddles. Just look at the likely squads. The big difference is the Saffers are using youth. Rabada, Phel and one or two others. Morris is not all that old either. On the other hand the Aussies have taken the conservative route despite having youth guru Greg Chappell on the selection panel. I see this as keeping faith with those who took home the last ODI WC. But we need an injection of youth in addition to Travis Head for the next WC

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Paddles » Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:07 am

baggygreenmania wrote:Paddles. Just look at the likely squads. The big difference is the Saffers are using youth. Rabada, Phel and one or two others. Morris is not all that old either. On the other hand the Aussies have taken the conservative route despite having youth guru Greg Chappell on the selection panel. I see this as keeping faith with those who took home the last ODI WC. But we need an injection of youth in addition to Travis Head for the next WC


Really? Tahir, Amla, ABDV, Duminy, Morkel, Faf et al are no spring chickens. Cummins, Starc, Pattinson, Hazlewood, Smith, Stoinis, Henriques are all plenty young enough. I don't understand your quibble- Steve Smith's team is a fairly young team - plus G Bailey - who has been dropped!

The big difference between the sides is that Australia are prepared to play 4 premier tall fast men - whereas Safrica has finally got a glut of all rounders (what they sorely missed in previous times). Zampa will play as and if required, but we know Smith prefers to bowls seamers - in Aus anyway. So this winter - Steve Smith will possibly be doing his Clive Lloyd impersonation as long as the 4 remain fit. And even then - Hastings is always good in yellow and can bat decently too.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:40 am

Not talking the age of our bowlers so much more about our batsmen. Experienced flat trackers.. at risk of coming undone on Pom wickets that offer a moving ball. Khawaja would hav been a better bet than either Finch, Lynn or Maxwell. He at least knows how to handle a ball that moves off the seam or in the air. Warner is being picked on reputation at the moment. If as you say they are looking at batting all rounders in Henriques and Stoinis over bowling a/r as in Faulkner's case.. then why is Hilton Cartwright not in the squad? His bowling is every bit as useful as the other two and his batting is far more consistent.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:01 am

U19 in early trouble. I would like to see Param employ the defensive bat more early in his innings. He tends to over attack.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Misty » Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:16 am

ParAm And sangha out in same over off RANSIKA but interesting game.aus.will win anyway.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Misty » Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:20 am

Mick180461 wrote:The Australian side has been announced for the Champs trophhy
Smith (C)
Warner (vc)
Cummins
Finch
Hastings
Hazlewood
Head
Henriques
Lynn
Maxwell
Pattinson
Starc
Stoinis
Wade
Zampa
Faulkner missing is the major shock and Henriques being selected is perhaps a surprise but he has earned it through form. Lynn is a bit of a gamble due to the fact he only has to look at his shoulder and it pops out.


I think too many bowlers in 18 day tournaments
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Misty » Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:28 am

Misty wrote:ParAm And sangha out in same over off RANSIKA but interesting game.aus.will win anyway.



Edward depart As well, 50 for 4 but Austin Steve Waugh still not out, big challenge for him.
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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby Mick180461 » Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:47 am

Misty wrote:
Mick180461 wrote:The Australian side has been announced for the Champs trophhy
Smith (C)
Warner (vc)
Cummins
Finch
Hastings
Hazlewood
Head
Henriques
Lynn
Maxwell
Pattinson
Starc
Stoinis
Wade
Zampa
Faulkner missing is the major shock and Henriques being selected is perhaps a surprise but he has earned it through form. Lynn is a bit of a gamble due to the fact he only has to look at his shoulder and it pops out.


I think too many bowlers in 18 day tournaments

There is only 6 frontline bowlers in that squad Misty, of the so-called allrounders only Stoinis has been picked because he can bowl, Maxwell. Henriques & Head have been picked first & foremost as batsman, their bowling is a bonus. Actually it looks a bit light on for Bowlers.

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Re: Australian/New Zealand Cricketers over the winter

Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:29 am

Too many flat track show ponies as well Misty on decks that will not be flat but likely green tops that seam and climatic conditions that has the ball swinging. This would have been an ok squad for Aussie conditions. But no Khawaja or any other that can bat time other than Smith could backfire big time.


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