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Postby bolero » Sat Apr 02, 2016 11:09 am

Dilip Vengsarkar, a prolific batsman during his playing days and a former India selector, has an eye for spotting talent; and according to him, Mumbai's Shreyas Iyer has all it takes to be the next poster boy of Indian batting.

With a double century and two centuries already in the ongoing Ranji Trophy season among his other prolific knocks, the Mumbai No. 3 seems to be in the fast lane to get an India cap, and Vengsarkar has absolutely no doubt about that.

"Shreyas is definitely ready for international cricket," Vengsarkar told dna. "Shreyas is not afraid of any attack. He is aggressive and plays positive cricket all the time...I feel he could be the match-winner India is looking for."

Mumbai's chief selector Milind Rege backed Vengsarkar's claims and even hinted that time is ripe to test Iyer in international cricket since he is at the top of his game at the moment.

"He needs to be given opportunity to test himself at the higher levels. It is fair considering this batsman has so many runs in the game," the Mumbaikar told dna before pointing at instances where Iyer has took on international bowlers in domestic circuit.

"He has scored against the likes of Praveen Kumar and Bhuvneshwar Kumar. He has hit Bhuvi twice over extra cover for sixes," Rege said.

However, Iyer hasn't been able to transform his domestic success in matches for India A and the warm-up fixture against the touring South African team. But Rege said it won't be fair to ignore his Ranji Trophy scores.

"The issue here is that the selectors haven't seen him scoring in Ranji Trophy. He is being judged on the runs he got against Steyn & Co in the warm-up game for Board President XI vs South Africa at the CCI and the India A performances."

Iyer got 9 for the Board President XI and played knocks of 38 and 49 and 49 against Bangladesh A and South Africa A, respectively.Heaping praise on the batsman, Rege went on to add that there are not many who can match Iyer's batting talent.

"How many batsman do you see who can win a match on their own in India. I don't see anybody. Bowlers fear Shreyas. He is destructive. He is a special player we have got after a long time.

"The last batsmen we saw in Mumbai who bowlers were afraid of were Sachin Tendulkar and Vinod Kambli. Rohit Sharma is a class act, but this guy has got some unbelievable shots for every ball," Rege concluded.


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Postby GpeL » Sat Apr 02, 2016 11:33 am

Do prolific and vengsarkar really go together? Gavi, Vishi and Vengarskar would put any insomniac to sleep with their batting.

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Postby bolero » Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:09 pm

11: Scores of 50 or more, making Shreyas only the third batsman after Vijay Bharadwaj and teammate Abhishek Nayar to do so in a Ranji Trophy season.

1,321: New record for the highest number of runs scored in a single Ranji season by a Mumbai batsman, beating Wasim Jaffer’s 1260 in the 2008-09 season and the second highest-ever, 94 behind VVS Laxman’s record of 1,415 set in 1999-2000 season.

28: Number of sixes struck by Iyer across 18 innings, averaging four every time he went past three-figures.

92.7: His strike-rate this season. two of his four tons came at more than run-a-ball. (200 off 176 vs Punjab and 137 off 110 vs UP).

70: Shreyas’ average in fourth innings run-chases this season, leading the way in all three successful pursuits. 78.2: Shreyas’ average in the knockout stages, where his sequence of scores read 45, 81, 90, 58 & 117.

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Postby Boycs » Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:09 pm

A 21 year old Indian who averages 57.00 in the Ranji trophy? That's unusual....

But to be fair, 175 runs in three innings against Sri Lanka's U19s in Sri Lanka with two fifties and mid-80s average isn't too piss-poor. Managed to average 30 against Australia A in a couple of games in India, and made 49 against south Africa A. Looks like he was the leading run scorer in last years Ranji trophy with only someone called Paras Dogra averaging more out of those playing more than 8 matches.

But India is full of these players. Just going down the list on Cricket Archive; Rajat Paliwal, Dhruv Shorey, Shishir Bhavane, Gurkeerat Singh, Nikhil Gangta, all young twenty-somethings with 55-75 averages in Indian domestic cricket.

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Postby bolero » Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:12 pm

Santosh and Rohini Iyer — who is Manglorean — are a jovial couple, who throughout the conversation keep ragging each other and the reason they even bring up his penchant for pranking is to play down their son’s reputation as being a shy, reserved 21-year-old who quite literally does all the talking, as the cliché goes, with this bat in this season.

He has piled up 1,321 runs, just 95 short of VVS Laxman’s record for most runs in a Ranji season, a stupendous achievement for someone so young. A match-winning century in the final seemed like an inevitable culmination of a watershed season, where he’s gone past 50 in 11 out of 19 innings. More than the runs itself, it’s been his audacity at the crease that has won him admirers. His strike-rate in the Ranji Trophy was an eyebrow-rousing 92.70. The 142-ball 117 in the Ranji final in Pune was Shreyas’ sixth first-class ton and the slowest — with a strike-rate of 82.39 — of four this season. He scored 200 against Punjab off 176 balls, and 137 of 110 against Uttar Pradesh to orchestrate Mumbai’s dominance, and when his team were left chasing demanding totals — 236 against Tamil Nadu and 295 against Railways — the boy, who loves magic and likes showing his mother card tricks, has conjured initiative-grabbing knocks to guide his team home. There is a relaxed air about his batting, as if he were playing a neighbourhood park game with his friends. It’s not a cultivated insouciance but a character trait almost. International players like JP Duminy, who have played in IPL with him, have remarked about this innate confidence. It’s a trait that has helped him bat as aggressively as he has done.

It’s important to register here that Iyer hadn’t had a great start to the domestic season. In more serious tests posed by the touring ‘A’ sides of South Africa and Australia before the start of Ranji, he didn’t convert his 20’s and 30’s. His mentor Pravin Amre thought his batting was a “bit loose” and took him aside for course correction. The stance was too upright, Amre felt, and was hampering the fluency. Shreyas was told to lean the left shoulder forward in the stance, stay in that posture to not only retain his shape but also just to give the young mind a routine before each delivery. The concentration levels grew, the fluency returned, and the runs began to flow against pace and spin. Shreyas is a batsman who doesn’t think of survival even when conditions are loaded against him. Of many notable knocks in the season, a battle on a fourth day pitch against Railways’ legspinner Karn Sharma stands out. There was a big rough patch outside leg stump and Sharma managed that day to consistently land his deliveries in that area from round the stumps. It made for a riveting watch. Twinkling feet, twirling bat, and an almost uncontrollable urge to keep attacking, Shreyas unfurled wristy whips, pick-up shots towards wide midwicket that seems to come naturally to him.

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Postby bolero » Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:14 pm

Unsurprisingly, this approach throws up a few heart-in-the-mouth moments. That day, on more than couple of occasions, the ball lobbed off the leading edge just past the lunging cover fielder, twice the ball squirted past short-leg but Shreyas kept attacking. Occasionally, even when he chose not to play a shot to those leg breaks from outside leg stump, he made them interesting to watch. He kicked them away – not coyly feet together as is the convention but he just lifted the right leg and kicked it away as it were a football. However, Iyer isn’t a kicker but a basher, a kind of batsman who will never die wondering.

Nurturing talent

There’s a tinge of middle-class realism to Shreyas Iyer’s tale so far. It’s been no fairy-tale, and the only odds he’s got to overcome have been on the field and the lack of drama in his journey is in a way its greatest charm. It was his father Santosh who spotted the talent in Shreyas at an adolescent age and subsequently dedicated his life to nurturing it after all. “I used to bowl to him inside our house like any father with an interest in cricket. He always used to middle the ball, and this aggression was natural. He once scored a hundred of 46 balls at Indian Gymkhana when he was 8 years old,” he recalls. Santosh, a businessman who these days works out of home, was instrumental in Shreyas choosing cricket over football and also shifting from Antonio Da Silva — who struggled to make it past the early rounds in school competitions and desperately survived on their star pupil’s performances — to Don Bosco, where the kid got lot more chances to get noticed. The senior Iyer was constantly in touch with Shreyas’ coaches, and upon their insistence approached Shivaji Park Gymkhana, for whom he would eventually win many matches ‘single-handedly’. “But they said he was too young and asked to come back a year later. It was fortunate because the next year Pravin Amre sir was in charge of the nets and took a special liking towards Shreyas,” says Santosh. He then goes on to credit Amre as having kick-started his son’s cricket career.

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Postby bolero » Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:16 pm

But back when Shreyas, who has a sister studying psychology, was 16, and the runs suddenly dried up one year, it was Santosh who took matters into his own hands, opting to take him to a sports psychologist, Mugdha Bavare. Understandably they were tough times. “You remember Santosh, he came and sat on that same couch (pointing at the one we’re sitting on). He was about to cry,” Rohini says. Santhosh adds that he even suggested to Shreyas that he can stop playing cricket. “But he got angry and said, “Papa how can you even say that?” Santhosh recalls.

To the Iyers’ relief, it was just a lean phase that their son was going through — not a girlfriend issue as Santosh had feared — and he soon got over it. As luck would have it, Mumbai junior coach Vinod Raghavan had also identified Shreyas as a special talent for whom statistics were not a fair yardstick for selection and forced his hand in retaining the boy in his team, and even naming him captain for Mumbai U-19. Since then, Shreyas has never looked back. But Santosh is aware that when you play your cricket with an attitude that is close to the bone, there is always a heightened risk of failure. And even though many of his teammates have sung praises of what Shreyas brings to the team atmosphere with his judiciously kamikaze approach —” I feel very comfortable when Iyer is batting at the other end, because he is always the one who takes on the opposition and makes things easier” Aditya Tare had said — he keeps his parents forever on tenterhooks.

“Aiyoo I can’t handle it. I think I need to see a doctor for this. I cannot even sit till he’s crossed three-figures. And she’s worse, usko dekh ke mujhe aur darr lagta hai (pointing at his wife). Since she doesn’t drink I ask her to always sit with a glass of water to combat her nerves,” says Santosh as the room erupts with laughter. The duo also indulge in that very middle-class practice of preserving each and every one of their son’s newspaper cuttings, including a few vintage ones that include an autograph of Sachin Tendulkar, of Zaheer Khan, and a photo of a seven-month old Shreyas holding a bottle of Pepsi, his present sponsor. Their son’s batting might not be of the same syllabus subscribed by the Mumbai school of cricket but the Iyer household is borderline stereotypical. The family wakes up to the melodic tunes of the Vishnu Sahasranamam and non-vegetarian food is only to be eaten outside the house. Pictures of religious deities adorn both walls of the living-room, and atop the showcase elephant artefacts that are miniature versions of those from Thiruchendur in Tamil Nadu rest alongside one of their son’s cricketing trophies.

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Postby GpeL » Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:02 pm

Bolero.. you dumped Axar Patel?

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Postby squarecut » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:42 am

Domestic batting average in Indian cricket is similar to scores obtained by Indian students in Indian examinations. Batsmen thrive on flat tracks against mediocre bowlers whereas students score high by memorising standard answers in examinations. Understanding of fundamentals is not tested either in domestic cricket or in these examinations.

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Postby bolero » Sun Apr 03, 2016 2:58 pm

Striped Lungi wrote:Bolero.. you dumped Axar Patel?


I was never a fan of Axar. I like leg spinners and left arm spinners. Since Mishra and Ojha were not in the team, was forced to support Axar.

I am a fan of Shreyas Iyer. He needs to be in the Indian team ASAP.

Remove all the deadwoods. Raina and co need to be sacked.

If Dhoni protects him, sack him too.

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Postby GpeL » Sun Apr 03, 2016 3:18 pm

and if kohli supports raina?

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Postby bolero » Sun Apr 03, 2016 3:23 pm

Kohli supports cricketers like Amit Mishra. Mishra repaid the favour by helping win the test series in Sri Lanka. Dhoni has ruined Mishra's career.

Dhoni prefers status quo, no changes in batting order, no unpredictability. He is very defensive as a captain and prefers his yes men like Sharma, Raina and Jadeja.

Shreyas is a fresh face and is knocking the door. But the door has been shut by Dhoni. He will not change anything and talents would continue to be wasted.

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Postby bolero » Sun Apr 03, 2016 3:25 pm

SL, I am sorry you may not like hearing this as you know Dhoni personally.

But I am just expressing my views. A lot of deadwood are in the team. Only on the strength of Kohli, did it make it to semis.

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Postby GpeL » Sun Apr 03, 2016 3:48 pm

That is fine.. I don't love him bolero.. but I was just pulling your leg. You know Dhoni is public property.. no one has exclusive rights on him when it comes to cricket.

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Postby bolero » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:41 pm

Bump... Methinks Shreyas Iyer should be in the Indian team.

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Postby Bhumin » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:54 pm

bolero wrote:Dilip Vengsarkar, a prolific batsman during his playing days and a former India selector, has an eye for spotting talent; and according to him, Mumbai's Shreyas Iyer has all it takes to be the next poster boy of Indian batting.

With a double century and two centuries already in the ongoing Ranji Trophy season among his other prolific knocks, the Mumbai No. 3 seems to be in the fast lane to get an India cap, and Vengsarkar has absolutely no doubt about that.

"Shreyas is definitely ready for international cricket," Vengsarkar told dna. "Shreyas is not afraid of any attack. He is aggressive and plays positive cricket all the time...I feel he could be the match-winner India is looking for."

Mumbai's chief selector Milind Rege backed Vengsarkar's claims and even hinted that time is ripe to test Iyer in international cricket since he is at the top of his game at the moment.

"He needs to be given opportunity to test himself at the higher levels. It is fair considering this batsman has so many runs in the game," the Mumbaikar told dna before pointing at instances where Iyer has took on international bowlers in domestic circuit.

"He has scored against the likes of Praveen Kumar and Bhuvneshwar Kumar. He has hit Bhuvi twice over extra cover for sixes," Rege said.

However, Iyer hasn't been able to transform his domestic success in matches for India A and the warm-up fixture against the touring South African team. But Rege said it won't be fair to ignore his Ranji Trophy scores.

"The issue here is that the selectors haven't seen him scoring in Ranji Trophy. He is being judged on the runs he got against Steyn & Co in the warm-up game for Board President XI vs South Africa at the CCI and the India A performances."

Iyer got 9 for the Board President XI and played knocks of 38 and 49 and 49 against Bangladesh A and South Africa A, respectively.Heaping praise on the batsman, Rege went on to add that there are not many who can match Iyer's batting talent.

"How many batsman do you see who can win a match on their own in India. I don't see anybody. Bowlers fear Shreyas. He is destructive. He is a special player we have got after a long time.

"The last batsmen we saw in Mumbai who bowlers were afraid of were Sachin Tendulkar and Vinod Kambli. Rohit Sharma is a class act, but this guy has got some unbelievable shots for every ball," Rege concluded.

April 2016 you talked about, but vs NZ A he scored 100 and 82 yesterday, you need to create place in the team which is not easy
Because Rohit fixed at number 5 plus rahane is vice captain.Ranji trophy's new seasons starts on Oct 6th 2017,so BCCI wants PUJARA/ASH and JADEJA to play RANJI TROPHY
NZ batted 27 overs for their 26 (WR in Tests) all out in 1955

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Postby Bhumin » Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:07 pm

bolero wrote:Kohli supports cricketers like Amit Mishra. Mishra repaid the favour by helping win the test series in Sri Lanka. Dhoni has ruined Mishra's career.

Dhoni prefers status quo, no changes in batting order, no unpredictability. He is very defensive as a captain and prefers his yes men like Sharma, Raina and Jadeja.

Shreyas is a fresh face and is knocking the door. But the door has been shut by Dhoni. He will not change anything and talents would continue to be wasted.


If your statement is true "" mishra helped India win test vs srilanka"" I wonder why MS not like MISHRA or any spinner ?
Recently he call from his house and told,'' Do NOT INCLUDES kuldeep in Dharamshala tests" someone else was given M.O.M but if KULDEEP not playing in Dharmshala,India beaten for sure vs Australia, his 4 wickets Stunned Australians on KULDEEP's début,

Some people who are very close to Virat thinks,Ashwin declines from Grace on Indian pitches which tempted VK to experiments new bunch of Spinners.I think ANURAG'S idea was too good about multiple selection on spinners in India.un-Fortunately BCCI sacked him too,
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Postby Bhumin » Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:17 pm

MS was no good as test captain, pankaj Singh's test début was terrible in England or you can say Ishant under MS worst captain in the history of Indian test cricket.I do not think he was great captain of India, he was very Rigid.

Anderson /Root smashed 198 for last wicket when MS was captain
NZ 95/5 went on 690 for 8 under MS because he not believes in change, whatever happen in between middle of tour between Ms and RS, good,because MS hangs his shoes.
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Postby bolero » Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:40 am

Shreyas again scored against New Zealand A side which is quite decent. He scored a double century earlier this year against the visiting Australians. What more does he need to do?

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Postby raja » Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:07 pm

He can easily be given a chance in the upcoming ODIs.
Let him open, with Rohit Sharma.

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Postby squarecut » Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:45 am

Youngsters should get a chance over seniors only if they are better equipped than the seniors, and not just because of their young age. BCCI batting slots are already filled up. Whom will these youngsters replace when proven batsmen like Rahane and Karun Nair are still unable to get regular places in the side.

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Postby bolero » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:27 am

squarecut wrote:Youngsters should get a chance over seniors only if they are better equipped than the seniors, and not just because of their young age. BCCI batting slots are already filled up. Whom will these youngsters replace when proven batsmen like Rahane and Karun Nair are still unable to get regular places in the side.


Squarecut, a small correction. Rahane has still proven himself.

Karun Nair is a one innings wonder. No wonder he is a mere batsman in the Board President's XI of which Shreyas Iyer is captain.

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Postby Bhumin » Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:42 pm

Rahane sir, a vice captain of Indian test team, proved his worth with 3 scores of 50 vs Australia in ODI but if you compares Dhawan with Rahane, I think AR better vs better bowling than Dhawan.

Not only that, Rahane hit test century vs all test playing (the one India played since AR's début, he lead India in Zimbabwe, he creates world record 8 catches as Fielder in single test)country plus 96 in SAfrica

I think India should regularly needs him in ODI instead Nair,Dhawan (FTB or you can say specialist vs ordinary bowling attack)
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Postby Bhumin » Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:47 pm

Nair often fails in 20's and 30's but ECB describes him best vs spin during his 300,was dismissed by spin of NZ A teams in the 40's.he was caught not using his feet vs
Inder sodhi

Presently G.R.Vishwanath helps him technically in the nets.
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Postby Bhumin » Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:06 pm

raja wrote:He can easily be given a chance in the upcoming ODIs.
Let him open, with Rohit Sharma.


Sorry BCCI not ruins Career of up-coming cricketer, especially Talent like S.Iyer who only bats at 3 or lower down.

I think BCCI must create space in the test team for him.RAHANE JI vice captain of India while Rohit DO NOT WANTS TO OPEN IN TEST.Rohit say Vengsarka,'' I am test batsman now ''

I think India need to change Ashwin's batting position to lower down.PUJARA hits 145 as opener in SL, we might sends him to open on November 16th Calcutta tests with K.Rahul or Feeble Dhawan.


Pujara
K.Rahul
S.Iyer
V.Kohli
Rahane
Rohit
Saha
Ashwin
Jadeja
S.Thakur/Kuldeep
Umesh yadav

H.Pandya
12th man.

Final xl will announce at toss time 11/16/17, depends on track,india might includes 3rd spin bowler,while Kohli/Rohit/UY shares new ball or India includes additional seam and two spinners,

Murli Vijay (wrist problem) and Shami (failed fitness tests)
India will add 3rd bowler (seam) for Southfrican test series in the team of 11.

Well in ODI, I can create slot for Iyer

Rohit
Rahane (go by flow)
S.Iyer (he is expert in Multiday game but Raja, member of Cricforum since 2009 so we respect him and accept his suggestion)
Kohli (who getting closer to 9000 ODI runs)
PANDEY
Pandya
MSD (subject to change)(if he not perform we have option open)
Axar
Bhuvi
Kuldeep
Bumrah

12th man
Dinesh Kartik (soft corner , Ravi bhai, Coach)


Bench
Dhawan,Chahal,Mohd Siraj (fast bowler),karn Sharma

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Selection QUOTE system in India effective immediately as whoever performing great in Duleep/Ranji or Iran trophy Final,automatically selected in Indian team in any format.
NZ batted 27 overs for their 26 (WR in Tests) all out in 1955