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Women refuse body scans at airport

Postby bharathh » Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:01 pm

Women refuse airport body scans

Two women were stopped from boarding a plane at Manchester Airport after refusing to undergo a full body scan.

The passengers were due to fly to Islamabad on 19 February when they were selected at random to go through the new scanning machine.

One, who is believed to be a Muslim, refused on religious reasons and the other cited health grounds.

They are thought to be the first people to refuse to use the scanners since they became compulsory in February.

The machines were introduced as a trial at the airport in October 2009.

The women were warned they were legally required to go through the scanner, after being chosen at random, or they would not be allowed to fly, an airport spokesman said.

'Strict procedures'

It is not clear whether the women were travelling together.

Security staff use the X-ray machine to check for any concealed weapons or explosives but they have been criticised as an invasion of privacy.

A Manchester Airport spokesman said: "Two female passengers who were booked to fly out of Terminal 2 refused to be scanned for medical and religious reasons.

"In accordance with the government directive on scanners, they were not permitted to fly.

"Body scanning is a big change for customers who are selected under the new rules and we are aware that privacy concerns are on our customers' minds, which is why we have put strict procedures to reassure them that their privacy will be protected."

The women forfeited their flight and left the airport.

In US airports where scanners are installed passengers have the option of a undergoing a body search.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/u ... 547416.stm

Published: 2010/03/03 15:58:06 GMT

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Re: Women refuse body scans at airport

Postby bharathh » Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:02 pm

Not sure why the ladies couldn't be given a body search instead. However what would they say about a full body search as opposed to a scan? How is that any less invasive? In fact I think I would prefer a body scan to a full body search.

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Postby Ranjith » Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:12 am

I really dont understand this attitude of ppl.
Every corner of the world you have an asshole blowing up ppl and buildings!Law enforcers are not mind readers...only if we help and work along with them they can be able to do something!there is always someone cribbing abt such things!

saying tht i hope they had female officers for scanning women!

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Re: Women refuse body scans at airport

Postby timydamonkey » Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:44 am

Eh, aren't these the machines that see through your clothes etc.?

Yeah, they are.

"They produce "naked" images of passengers, and civil rights groups warn they could generate illegal images of children and images of celebrities that could be leaked online."

From http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8464266.stm

Since it's pretty much considered taboo for a woman to, say, walk around topless, having to go through a scanner where that sort of thing is visible would sure make me uncomfortable.

Yeah, it's for security... but this a new thing here in the UK (the Manchester airport trial was the first in the UK I believe?) and people don't like the invasion. It's not really surprising.

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Re: Women refuse body scans at airport

Postby VFE » Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:47 am

Accept it or dont travel.

Its security and there for a reason.

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Postby VFE » Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:49 am

Also they dont produce a naked image any more than an X Ray does.

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Re: Women refuse body scans at airport

Postby raja » Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:41 am

We need to give people time to adjust to the new rules.
Let's not forget that we are talking about something as basic as your body.
Many people do not even feel particularly comfortable exposing their body in private to their spouse, it is considered that private (at least I think this is true :-)).
And here we are talking about an image of a person completely naked, available to a third-party.

Yes, it is probably no more invasive than an X-Ray.
Yes, it makes sense from a security point of view.
But let's give people time. It is a huge psychological change for people. In due course, when this becomes standard practice, people will just comply without thinking twice about it.

Also, though airport officials insist that the image is not stored or distributed, I think people do not trust this yet.
The story that Shah Rukh Khan's image was distributed by some airport personnel does not help at all.

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Postby asterix » Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:23 am

raja wrote:We need to give people time to adjust to the new rules.
Let's not forget that we are talking about something as basic as your body.
Many people do not even feel particularly comfortable exposing their body in private to their spouse, it is considered that private (at least I think this is true :-)).
And here we are talking about an image of a person completely naked, available to a third-party.

Yes, it is probably no more invasive than an X-Ray.
Yes, it makes sense from a security point of view.
But let's give people time. It is a huge psychological change for people. In due course, when this becomes standard practice, people will just comply without thinking twice about it.

Also, though airport officials insist that the image is not stored or distributed, I think people do not trust this yet.
The story that Shah Rukh Khan's image was distributed by some airport personnel does not help at all.

That's another of Gayrukh's lies to blatantly promote his useless hyped up movies..He should be sued by authorities for spreading rumours, lies to deliberately cause disharmony in order to promote his crap movies..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... -Khan.html

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Re: Women refuse body scans at airport

Postby Ranjith » Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:04 am

asterix wrote:
The story that Shah Rukh Khan's image was distributed by some airport personnel does not help at all.[/b]

That's another of Gayrukh's lies to blatantly promote his useless hyped up movies..He should be sued by authorities for spreading rumours, lies to deliberately cause disharmony in order to promote his crap movies..
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:up: :grin:
“I'm always stopped by the security, because of the name. And I think its okay: the western world is a little bit worried, paranoid and touchy, I guess – and freely when they're frisking you.


how true can this be?has any Muslim around here been "targeted" because of his last name?i have a lot of Muslim friends in the US and Canada..with names such as Khan,Hussain and Mohammed...but they have never complained abt such things!?

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Re: Women refuse body scans at airport

Postby asterix » Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:12 am

Ranjith wrote:
asterix wrote:
The story that Shah Rukh Khan's image was distributed by some airport personnel does not help at all.[/b]

That's another of Gayrukh's lies to blatantly promote his useless hyped up movies..He should be sued by authorities for spreading rumours, lies to deliberately cause disharmony in order to promote his crap movies..


:up: :grin:
“I'm always stopped by the security, because of the name. And I think its okay: the western world is a little bit worried, paranoid and touchy, I guess – and freely when they're frisking you.


how true can this be?has any Muslim around here been "targeted" because of his last name?i have a lot of Muslim friends in the US and Canada..with names such as Khan,Hussain and Mohammed...but they have never complained abt such things!?

That's exactly why I HATE Gayrukh so much..He is a SUPER Star..But with that image comes a responsibility. I has misused is image to decitfully create tensions and isuues which can and could've been avoided..

He is a showman, agree but that doesn't means he keeps on creating controversies to promote his movies..

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Re: Women refuse body scans at airport

Postby bharathh » Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:53 pm

Regardless .. new or not. You don't want to take the xray. Don't travel by air.

+ I don't think these kind of pics will threaten anyone's privacy. Can't make out the face of the lady at all.

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Postby Ankur » Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:55 pm

bharathh wrote:+ I don't think these kind of pics will threaten anyone's privacy. Can't make out the face of the lady at all.



Ya but you can make out the rest. Plus imagine the lady standing there and passing passengers able to see this image.

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Postby asterix » Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:54 pm

Who looks at the face?

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Re: Women refuse body scans at airport

Postby bharathh » Fri Mar 05, 2010 4:04 pm

Ankur wrote:
bharathh wrote:+ I don't think these kind of pics will threaten anyone's privacy. Can't make out the face of the lady at all.



Ya but you can make out the rest. Plus imagine the lady standing there and passing passengers able to see this image.



How many ppl do you see crowding around the inspector's desk?

Also without clear face recognition it could be anybody. I think safety takes priority here. With wackos that hide bombs in their underwear what more can you do?

I think I would prefer to be scanned this way to having a complete invasive body check where you may be required to strip in front of a stranger.

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Postby Ankur » Fri Mar 05, 2010 4:19 pm

To start with when ones bags get scanned they always stand waiting looking at the scans coming thru the monitor. That is for boring pictures of bags.

How many ppl do you see crowding around the inspector's desk?


Are you question how many people may crowd around the inspectors' desk or have the corner of eye to stuck to the monitor to catch a glance of a women's body?

Also without clear face recognition it could be anybody. I think safety takes priority here. With wackos that hide bombs in their underwear what more can you do?


When you are standing right there, you know who it is. I may feel ashamed to stand there and look but not everybody has the same problem with their conscious

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Re: Women refuse body scans at airport

Postby bharathh » Fri Mar 05, 2010 4:21 pm

The monitors face away from ppl collecting the bags.

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Postby asterix » Fri Mar 05, 2010 4:24 pm

I'll be very concious if I find female staff scanning my body..And I also don't want big bury Black man/men looking at my scanned body and having a smirk on the face.. As if telling me, "TSK Tsk, you could do better"..I never stand besides Black men while using public toilets..I get infiriority complex..:grin:

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Postby Ankur » Fri Mar 05, 2010 4:25 pm

ya right and that is going to prevent prying eyes from catching a glimpse? And what about the officer that is scanning?

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Postby asterix » Fri Mar 05, 2010 4:28 pm

Ankur wrote:ya right and that is going to prevent prying eyes from catching a glimpse? And what about the officer that is scanning?

My mistake..I was mentioning about Black officers only.. :grin:

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Postby Ankur » Fri Mar 05, 2010 4:29 pm

my response was to bharathh's post about monitors not facing the bag collection area

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Postby asterix » Fri Mar 05, 2010 4:32 pm

Ankur wrote:my response was to bharathh's post about monitors not facing the bag collection area

What what about my predicament? Would you feel comfortable when you see a big black officer looking at the scans? :annoyed:

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Re: Women refuse body scans at airport

Postby bharathh » Fri Mar 05, 2010 4:34 pm

Inferiority complex is not something anyone can do anything about. Perhaps you need to be more comfortable with yourself or change yourself to be better. Do you always care about what other ppl think about you? Not a good thing.

Ankur, The officers are going to the see the image. That's why they have it in the first place. I think it's better than having to strip in front of them or have some guy handling my package. Don't you? That's my point.

What alternative do you have to this method? If you don't want to do this... then perhaps it's time to travel by sea like the good ol days.

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Postby bharathh » Fri Mar 05, 2010 4:36 pm

You could always take this Asterix :D

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Postby asterix » Fri Mar 05, 2010 4:38 pm

bharathh wrote:You could always take this Asterix :D

Thanks.. :angry: :annoyed:

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Re: Women refuse body scans at airport

Postby Ranjith » Fri Mar 05, 2010 4:53 pm

one thing for sure is,im not going to check out any(even hot) females scan pic like those! i mean seriously?

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Postby Ankur » Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:01 pm

asterix wrote:
Ankur wrote:my response was to bharathh's post about monitors not facing the bag collection area

What what about my predicament? Would you feel comfortable when you see a big black officer looking at the scans? :annoyed:



If I was SRK I would make a movie. My Body is Private.

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Re: Women refuse body scans at airport

Postby VFE » Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:05 am

Of course children have to go through it.
Child suicide bombers have been use before. Also if I wanted to do it and knew children were not scanned I would simply use a child.

There is no decision involved around this. If all people get scanned there is LESS likelihood of victimisation.

Anyway the authorities in the UK have done basic profiling for years to decide who to search. And frankly I was comfortable with it. We couldnt do the full monty on everyone before this technology (full search on everyone is impractical) so clearly you would target the 20-25 year old guy with the beard before the 75 year old white lady. Profiling is there for a reason.

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Postby Leo » Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:28 am

Overall a Funny Discussion. Nice to read.

After 9/11 there were some problems. As Muslim, many people faced it which also includes my dad. They had to pass through some extra attention from securities while going to USA. But now a days it is not like 2001/02. I didnt hear from any Bangladeshi (all Muslims) that they were having any extra attention from securities.

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Postby VFE » Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:32 am

Ankur wrote:To start with when ones bags get scanned they always stand waiting looking at the scans coming thru the monitor. That is for boring pictures of bags.

How many ppl do you see crowding around the inspector's desk?


Are you question how many people may crowd around the inspectors' desk or have the corner of eye to stuck to the monitor to catch a glance of a women's body?

Also without clear face recognition it could be anybody. I think safety takes priority here. With wackos that hide bombs in their underwear what more can you do?


When you are standing right there, you know who it is. I may feel ashamed to stand there and look but not everybody has the same problem with their conscious


It is monitored from seperate enclosed rooms well away from the actual montoring.

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Postby bolero » Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:14 pm

Its a debatable thing. Thats why we have so many posts. I wouldnt mind having my body scanned if its a security measure, what with so many determined potential freaks / bombers waiting to get onto planes.

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Re: Women refuse body scans at airport

Postby Cevno » Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:42 am

Whatever happened to the machine that used to scan for bombs by moving it arround the body?