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Christchurch shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:01 am
by Going South
Police respond to two mass shootings inside Christchurch mosques

March 15, 20191:55pm
BREAKING

Police are responding to at least two critical incidents in Christchurch, New Zealand after gunmen opened fire inside two busy mosques.

There are reports of multiple dead and at least 50 casualties with emergency service vehicles still at Al Noor Mosque in central Christchurch and Linwood Masjid mosque. There is also a heavy police presence at Christchurch Hospital.

At least one of the gunman livestreamed the shooting to social media, sharing the horrifying video to Facebook.

The distressing footage, viewed by news.com.au and verified by Storyful, shows the gunman walk around the corner and up the path into the Al Noor Mosque. He walks through the front door and opens fire indiscriminantly.

The video shows him firing into many rooms with a semi-automatic rifle, leaving bodies strewn on the floor as others run for their lives.

The shooter was active on social media in the days leading up to the attack, posting a photo of the rifle he used two days before the attack.

He also posted photos of the military gear he wore in the attack and the magazines he used to mow down the innocent people.

The gunman posted photos of his rifle on social media two days before the attack.
The gunman posted photos of his rifle on social media two days before the attack.
Police described it as an “evolving situation” and implored residents to stay indoors. All Christchurch schools have been locked down.

An eyewitness told Stuff NZ he had seen at least four people lying on the ground at one mosque and had seen “blood everywhere”.

The photographer working for the publication also said he had seen three seriously injured people lying on the steps of the mosque.


Another eyewitness claims he saw a man wearing a “helmet and glasses and a military style jacket” enter the mosque and open fire.

It’s understood there were two shootings — one on Deans Ave and a separate on Linwood Ave.

A man in the Linwood Ave mosque told Radio NZ there were 110 people in there at the time, with up to 13 injured.

“We all went for cover,” he said.

“When we didn’t hear anymore shots we got up. Some people ran out and came back in a pile of blood. Five minutes after that police came and escorted us out.

“I haven’t ever seen anything like this. So much racism, conflict we are getting is not right.”

It’s understood about 300 people were inside the Hagley Park mosque for afternoon prayers when one of the shootings happened. There are reports children were also at the scene and four to five men were seen being led out of the building with their hands behind their head.

New Zealand Police urged anyone in Christchurch to stay indoors and report any suspicious behaviour.

A reporter at the scene said when he arrived at that mosque someone was lying on the ground across the road being helped.

“There was one really quite disturbing incident five minutes ago,” he said.

“A guy pulled up in a van and shouted ‘I’m here to celebrate’ and then drove off. People were pretty disgusted at those comments.”

He said police chased after the van.

“Police are currently responding to reports of shots fired in central Christchurch at around 1.40pm,” police said in a statement. “Armed police have been deployed.”

Police have also locked down all Christchurch schools “in response to a serious ongoing firearms incident”.

A business owner said he had heard at least 20 shots fired.

“I heard 20 or more gunshots I thought something happened and the people were running on the other side of Deans Avenue and now I can see so many police.”

New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has cancelled her afternoon appointments and is due to speak about the shooting later today.

Some of the Bangladesh cricket team were near the mosque when the shooting happened and were filmed by an ESPN journalist running away from the building.

Appearing visibly distressed in the video, the team were filmed running back through Hagley Park to the Oval.

“The players are shaken up but fine. I spoke to one of them shortly after (the incident),” the team’s strength and conditioning coach Mario Villavarayen said.

“They didn’t see anything but heard gunshots. They were at the ground (Hagley Oval) and just started running.

“The coaching staff were all at the hotel. The players just started running when they heard the shots. I don’t know how many (shots) there were. This happened at about 1.45pm.”

https://www.news.com.au/world/pacific/p ... 7e44c4728e

Christchurch shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:03 am
by Going South
RIP

Heard this guy is Australian with English parents but not a local kiwi.

Bangladesh cricket team playing currently in Christchurch is safe.

Shooting at Christchurch ( Bangladesh player Safe) Killed 12

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:14 am
by givemeahug786
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... id=1221303


New Zealand Herald
Terrified witnesses who fled a mass shooting at a mosque they saw a uniform-clad gunman with 'a lot of magazines strapped to his legs'

NEW ZEALAND
Live: Massacre at the mosques - gunmen kill multiple people, Christchurch under siege
15 Mar, 2019 1:57pm 9 minutes to read
Play VideoDeveloping: Gunmen storm mosques in Christchurch, dozens feared dead

• Dozens feared killed as at least two gunmen open fire at two central Christchurch mosques

• City in lockdown, with reports of a third shooting scene and a car bomb in Strickland St

• One gunman, believed to be Australian, filmed as he shot victims in the mosque - and wrote a 37-page manifesto declaring his intentions

• Teen witness: "I just ran as fast as I could, over the fence to Hagley Park, I didn't stop. The gunshots sounded like pop, pop, pop...I heard over 50."

Gunmen have opened fire at mosques in Christchurch, with dozens feared killed and police urging residents to stay indoors.

A body has been seen lying near Al Noor Mosque in central Christchurch and a second gunman has been seen near Linwood Masjid mosque. One of the gunmen broadcast live as he shot victims.

One of the gunmen is believed to be an Australian who has written a 37-page manifesto declaring his intentions.

In it, he says "it is a terrorist attack."

There are reports of a third active shooting unfolding outside Christchurch Hospital.

"This is just horrible, it is unthinkable in New Zealand" Napier mayor Bill Dalton


Mosque shooting: Gunman 'had magazines strapped to his legs

15 Mar, 2019 3:04pm

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The Guardian is reporting police as saying there is a bomb on Strickland Street in Christchurch.

"The bomb is located inside a beige Subaru that has crashed on Strickland Street, about 3km from the Al Noor Mosque where the shooting took place," the Guardian reported.

"You're not safe here, there's a bomb in that car," a senior police officer told reporter Eleanor Ainge Roy.


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A Christchurch Star reporter saw a dead body lying close at Palazzo Lane near Al Noor Mosque.

The body has been covered with clothing.

Police have rammed a suspects car. Photo / Kurt Bayer
Police have rammed a suspects car

A witness has seen a child lying in the middle of Deans Ave and another man has told the Herald his relative was shot inside the mosque.

It is understood the shooting at the mosque lasted six minutes and that the shooter may have returned to his car to retrieve more ammunition before opening fire again.

"I still have friends inside"

Mohan Ibrahim described to the Herald running for his life to escape the gunman. He was one of 200 people in Christchurch's Masjid Al Noor mosque when he heard shots being fired.


He said there had been lots of people killed and many injured.

"I still have friends inside.

"I have been calling my friends but there are many I haven't heard from. I am scared for my friends lives."

He said there had been lots of people killed and many injured.

A man who took in people who escaped from the mosque has shared their description of the gunman.

He was white, aged in his 30s or 40s and wearing a uniform, but he had not been able to ascertain what the uniform was, Oakford Close resident Robert Weatherhead said.

"[They said] 'he had a lot of magazines strapped to his legs'," Weatherhead said.

A man who was in Al Noor Mosque during a shooting says it was absolutely full for noon prayers. He believed many have been kil
A woman told the Christchurch Star she lay in her car near the mosque as four to five men came running towards her.

She was unsure if they were gunmen. Moments earlier she heard what she thought was gunfire.

"When the noise got louder I saw four or five men running. I put my seat down and lay down so they wouldn't see me.

"I didn't think I'd live to see this happening in my country," she said.

Zinzan Hawke, who lives near Al Noor Mosque, said he was sleeping when he work to 20-40 gun shots and a man running into his house with a bullet wound 3 inches into his leg.

Hawke with his three flat mates, who live on Brockworth Pl, called an ambulance and applied pressure on the victim's leg.

The victim told Hawke that he had just been at the mosque, multiple shots were fired and fled the scene immediately looking for assistant .

He said the victim didn't see the armed gunman, but heard bullets ringing around.

Hawke said that the victim told him he was almost shot in the stomach.

"I didn't realise something of this maginitue could happen in New Zealand," Hawke said.

Hawke said the ambulance never arrived so one of his flat mates drove the victim to hospital.

Second shooting at mosque in Linwood

A second shooting happened at a mosque in the Linwood area of the city.

One Friday prayer goer returned fire with a rifle or shotgun.

Witnesses said they heard multiple gunshots around 1.45pm.

A well known Muslim local chased the shooters and fired two shots at them as they sped off.

He was heard telling police officers he was firing in "self defence".

"They were in a silver Subaru," he told police.

Mark Nichols, manager of Premium Tyres and Auto in Linwood, said he a gunman ran past his shop around 45 minutes ago.

He heard five gunshots, and he believed the activity was centred around the nearby Linwood Masjid mosque.

He saw two injured people carried on stretchers past his shop. Both appeared to be ali
"I seen a guy with a gun running up the road. He's been firing about five shots, I think we heard," Nichols said.

"It might have been a shotgun. I didn't get a good luck at it, I just cleared off.

"Apparently there have been people in the mosque shot, and a police officer's been shot too.

"It's not very good, we're in shutdown mode now. It's all cordoned off."

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Christchurch resident Mandy Rooney was trapped in her car within metres of a mosque in Bishopdale.

She said she tried to get out of the car to see what was going on but was ordered back into her vehicle by armed police.

"They have their guns up and are walking around scoping through them," she said.

Rooney said no one was being allowed to move from the street.

"It is chaos. People have been trying to drive away and are just crashing into other vehicles."

A witness told the Herald he had seen a body in a carpark at Papanui High School.

Papanui High School, which is north of where both incidents occurred, is in lockdown.

The receptionist said staff were hiding under their desks, and she could not comment on any activity .

Injured people are still being rushed to Christchurch Hospital.

One injured person was just helped out of a police car.

There is a large police presence at the hospital with many armed officers.

The city centre is like a ghost town as police hunt the shooters.

Heavily armed police, including special units, are speeding around the empty streets with lights and sirens wailing.

Christchurch Mayor Lianne Dalziel said her message to people is to stay away from the central city.

"If you are in the city please stay in the building you are in," she said.

"All Council buildings are in lock down and they're urging all central city building owners to do the same, until advised by the Police they can leave."

Police Commissioner Mike Bush said: "A serious and evolving situation is occurring in Christchurch with an active shooter.



"Police are responding with its full capability to manage the situation, but the risk environment remains extremely high.

"Police recommend that residents across Christchurch remain off the streets and indoors until further notice. Christchurch schools will be locked down until further notice.

"Police thanks the public for their cooperation and will provide further updates to keep residents informed."

"I heard at least 20 [gunshots]"

Benjamin Jellie said he ran outside when he heard gunshots.

"I saw people jumping over the back fence of the mosque into Oakward Close. I heard at least 20 [gunshots]."

"I heard about eight at the start and then it went quiet for about 30 seconds or a minute and then it started again. I heard about eight more and then there was another minute and another eight," Jellie said.

"Those coming over the fence, all adults and including at least three men, were screaming and crying."

He believed the injured were all conscious.

The injured were very quiet, Jellie said.

The Bangladesh cricket team was at the mosque for Friday prayer when the shooting started.

The team is in Christchurch to play New Zealand in the third cricket test starting tomorrow.

Mario Villavarayen, strength and conditioning coach of the Bangladesh cricket team said: "The players are shaken up but fine. I spoke to one of them shortly after [the incident]. They didn't see anything but heard gunshots. They were at the ground [Hagley Oval] and just started running.

"The coaching staff were all at the hotel. The players just started running when they heard the shots. I don't know how many [shots] there were. This happened at about 1.45


A taxi driver in Deans Ave told Newstalk ZB that a jogger in the park said shots had been fired inside the mosque.

"Police and ambulance are coming from every direction".

The interior of the Al Noor Mosque in Hagley Park. Photo / Supplied
The interior of the Al Noor Mosque in Hagley Park. Photo / Supplied
Deans Ave has been closed between Moorhouse Avenue and Riccarton Road. Road users are advised to avoid the area.

In Cathedral Square, at the climate protest a police officer asked for everyone to make their way home immediately.

The police officer said there had been an incident and students should go straight home.

A person shared this post to a Christchurch parents Facebook page. Photo / Facebook
A person shared this post to a Christchurch parents Facebook page. Photo / Facebook
Jacob Savage posted to Facebook: "Stay away from Gloucester Street and Linwood Avenue is there a police everywhere on the corner with guns and all"

The public should not attend Christchurch Hospital unless it's an emergency, a Canterbury DHb spokeswoman said.

"All appointments have been cancelled this afternoon, and no staff or patients are to enter or leave the building."

Police confirmed at 2.41pm that all Christchurch schools had been placed into lockdown.

St Margaret's College told parents not to contact the school as "the phones are currently closed".

"All students are safe and those who are on the Climate Strike have been taken to a safe area by the staff accompanying them."

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has cancelled her events in New Plymouth this afternoon.

Ardern has been in New Plymouth for various announcements and a school visit. She had been due to to open the Womad music festival this evening.

- More to come



NEW ZEALAND

"This is just horrible, it is unthinkable in New Zealand" Napier mayor Bill Dalto

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:14 am
by bolero
Bangladesh cricketers were at the mosque at the time of shooting.

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:15 am
by bolero
Condolences to the families of the deceased.

Re: Shooting at Christchurch ( Bangladesh player Safe) Killed 12

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:16 am
by givemeahug786
One person in the Custody now

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:31 am
by givemeahug786
Spoiler:

https://youtu.be/_vduPDIKr5I

Katto
Say something
Gun man was Australian

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:32 am
by givemeahug786

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:34 am
by squarecut
Very terrible news. Hopefully, now people in New Zealand will be able to appreciate the horrors of terrorism that take place in far off places as well.

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:16 am
by givemeahug786
Yes

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:41 am
by Katto
givemeahug786 wrote:
Spoiler:

https://youtu.be/_vduPDIKr5I

Katto
Say something
Gun man was Australian


does that make me responsible?

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:18 am
by givemeahug786
Katto wrote:
givemeahug786 wrote:
Spoiler:

https://youtu.be/_vduPDIKr5I

Katto
Say something
Gun man was Australian


does that make me responsible?

No way sir but you are the 1st one to say somethin
I am speech less

https://m.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/107 ... e-building

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:20 am
by givemeahug786
3 person in Custdy now

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:26 am
by Katto
givemeahug786 wrote:
Katto wrote:
does that make me responsible?

No way sir but you are the 1st one to say somethin
I am speech less

https://m.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/107 ... e-building


I could say a lot but I don't want to go on record here.
A lot of people are being erased from the internet for commenting on such incidents.

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:11 am
by givemeahug786
Katto wrote:
givemeahug786 wrote:No way sir but you are the 1st one to say somethin
I am speech less

https://m.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/107 ... e-building


I could say a lot but I don't want to go on record here.
A lot of people are being erased from the internet for commenting on such incidents.

Not true
They only bugs with criminal record- FBI website says that.i bet they will release one women and 2 other men who not have no criminal backGround

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:05 pm
by Katto
There's a lot of hate going around on social media at the moment. A lot of it based on lies and misappropriated guilt by association.
I don't want to participate in these discussions.

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:39 pm
by Daanav
Katto wrote:There's a lot of hate going around on social media at the moment. A lot of it based on lies and misappropriated guilt by association.
I don't want to participate in these discussions.

Good for you and agree 100%. There are also a lot of people using this unfortunate incident for their own political and personal gains, like the President of Turkey, a two-faced hypocrite if ever there was one.

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:29 am
by Going South
Me too. I also now abstain from discussing anything related to religion, terror, war & stick to just sports. I was thinking of taking a long break of year or two from cricforum also.

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:40 pm
by Daanav
Going South wrote: I was thinking of taking a long break of year or two from cricforum also.
Wait till the IPL at least, preferably till the World Cup is over.

IPL always gives opportunity for interesting banter during live games. The World Cup perhaps not as much but should still be interesting. After those you can do your Trappist Monk bit. ;)

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:10 pm
by raja
Very impressed by the way the NZ PM has responded post the attacks.

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:43 pm
by Paddles
raja wrote:Very impressed by the way the NZ PM has responded post the attacks.


Yeah - she has performed admirably throughout. I'm impressed with the release of information. The Prime Minister has been quite open in releasing details and simply and politely forthright. She hasn't even used it as a grandstanding for growing the popularity of ruling parties - she invited all party leaders with her to Chch.

I've definitely seen her in a stronger light in her communications with Trump on this recent issue. In time some of the more self promoting politicans will use this tragedy for their own purposes, but none as yet have done so which is refreshing - or they are just not being given oxygen by the media as yet.

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:37 pm
by Paddles
squarecut wrote:Very terrible news. Hopefully, now people in New Zealand will be able to appreciate the horrors of terrorism that take place in far off places as well.


This is both inappropriate and inaccurate. NZ is not so isolated as to not be aware of a wider world. Not to mention Greenpeace's anti-nukes protest boat was bombed by French military in Auckland Harbour in 1985. Literally bombed, and literally French Government. A leading world democracy. Think about this for a moment. NZ is tiny. The USA and Britain never even condemned the French action because of greater politics. NZ understands the horrors of terrorism and politics more than you think. We may not share a border with a country we're often at war with, or has people crossing borders doing the same in terrorism regularly, but we more than understand how vulnerable we are to the superpowers and acts of terrorism. But still our politics is largely based on values and not simply insecurity. This costs the country both financially and in military security too.

NZ has not had a very successful relationship with the EU due in a large part to France's political influence. And NZ has not been an ally with the USA since 1984 as we are non-nuclear. This cost us free trade deals. NZ goes at it largely alone, with just 4.5m people. Brexit may make life better for NZ'ers though as we do value our colonial heritage. But we are more than aware of what is going in Australia, Britain and USA. We just know we can only rely on ourselves in the global village. But we are part of USA's intelligence network. Even if China is a bigger trade partner.

The horrors of terrorism, war, and everything else are more than appreciated by the people of NZ. I myself did an Arts Degree majoring in International Relations, so the complexity of the global world is very much known to me.

China: US$9.6 billion (24.9% of New Zealand’s total exports)
Australia: $5.7 billion (14.8%)
United States: $3.7 billion (9.6%)
Japan: $2.4 billion (6.3%)
South Korea: $1.2 billion (3.1%)
United Kingdom: $1 billion (2.7%)
Singapore: $832.5 million (2.2%)
Taiwan: $831.8 million (2.2%)
Hong Kong: $761.5 million (2%)
Malaysia: $702.5 million (1.8%)
Indonesia: $675.8 million (1.8%)
Thailand: $638.2 million (1.7%)
Netherlands: $586 million (1.5%)
Germany: $579 million (1.5%)
United Arab Emirates: $533.8 million (1.4%)

Once Brexit happens, the UK figure will jump up. But China and NZ relations are rocky at present, and that could be catastrophic for the NZ economy if China acts in a harsh manner.

NZ is very much linked to the wider world and appreciates global issues such as economics, war and terrorism, but the way NZ goes about its politics is quite dissimilar to UK, USA, or even Australia. Nothing made this more clear than NZ opposing the Iraq War that Australia, USA and UK entered into. NZ did however send troops to Afghanistan.

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:07 am
by bolero
My sympathies with NZ.

NZ and Australia were among the first to condemn the Pulwama terror attack in which 44 Indian security persons were martyred.

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:12 am
by bolero
Going South wrote:Me too. I also now abstain from discussing anything related to religion, terror, war & stick to just sports. I was thinking of taking a long break of year or two from cricforum also.


Yeah, I would rather discuss cricket in this forum than get into fights on politics or international issues. It is not worth it.

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:14 am
by bolero
Katto wrote:There's a lot of hate going around on social media at the moment. A lot of it based on lies and misappropriated guilt by association.
I don't want to participate in these discussions.


Second this.

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:56 am
by bolero
There has been a terrorist attack in Utrecht, Holland.

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:57 pm
by Katto
.

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:07 pm
by Daanav
bolero wrote:There has been a terrorist attack in Utrecht, Holland.
The madman involved had known links to ISIS and was still welcomed into the country. There are at least a few thousands like him scattered around Europe but it is politically incorrect to point this out. The old adage of "not guilty till proven" is being carried to ridiculous lengths - "Not a terrorist till they've killed someone".

His name is known. They'll find him, bring him to trial, some shyster lawyer will argue his case and he'll end-up in a cell with 4 squares a day, probably better than he would have done on the outside.

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:35 pm
by Katto
Paddles wrote:
raja wrote:Very impressed by the way the NZ PM has responded post the attacks.


Yeah - she has performed admirably throughout. I'm impressed with the release of information. The Prime Minister has been quite open in releasing details and simply and politely forthright. She hasn't even used it as a grandstanding for growing the popularity of ruling parties - she invited all party leaders with her to Chch.

I've definitely seen her in a stronger light in her communications with Trump on this recent issue. In time some of the more self promoting politicans will use this tragedy for their own purposes, but none as yet have done so which is refreshing - or they are just not being given oxygen by the media as yet.


yeah real open
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new ... d=12214083

14 years jail for sharing evidence :roll:

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:35 am
by givemeahug786
same shooter drive 6.6 kilometer from one Mosque to others but police not know fast enough otherwise
other 9 not loose their lives.

those thing never happen in usa, I spends 43 years there

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:39 am
by Katto
givemeahug786 wrote:same shooter drive 6.6 kilometer from one Mosque to others but police not know fast enough otherwise
other 9 not loose their lives.

those thing never happen in usa, I spends 43 years there


it didn't happen in NZ either

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:42 am
by Paddles
Katto wrote:
Paddles wrote:
Yeah - she has performed admirably throughout. I'm impressed with the release of information. The Prime Minister has been quite open in releasing details and simply and politely forthright. She hasn't even used it as a grandstanding for growing the popularity of ruling parties - she invited all party leaders with her to Chch.

I've definitely seen her in a stronger light in her communications with Trump on this recent issue. In time some of the more self promoting politicans will use this tragedy for their own purposes, but none as yet have done so which is refreshing - or they are just not being given oxygen by the media as yet.


yeah real open
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new ... d=12214083

14 years jail for sharing evidence :roll:


Well if someone shares (or watches) this video after the classification was announced - they're asking for trouble. It's not like the whole country hasn't been following the shooting story.

I don't see many getting charged for this anyway before the classification announcement was made due to retrospective issues over knowing whether it would be deemed objectionable or not. And the censor's finding can still be challenged anyway. Why put people into a position where they pursue that avenue?

Last I heard over 1.5m views already counted and teachers were polling students with about 50% of classrooms having seen it. They don't want citizens - esp children watching this shooting and getting upset.

I think the police just want to find out who the people that cheered this nut job on are. They will want to know his support network, whether they knew of his plans, and if so whether they were involved. This is a great means to cast a net wide over unsavouries for the police in NZ and internationally.

Otherwise all these journalists, gun experts and academics who have been on the news who have watched the stream are going to be charged. I really don't see that happening.

No I havn't seen it myself. But it really was being linked everywhere and widely available on youtube and facebook.

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:56 am
by Katto
Paddles wrote:
Katto wrote:
yeah real open
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new ... d=12214083

14 years jail for sharing evidence :roll:


Well if someone shares this video after the classification was announced - they're asking for trouble. It's not like the whole country hasn't been following the shooting story.

I don't see many getting charged for this anyway before the classification announcement was made due to retrospective issues over knowing whether it would be deemed objectionable or not. And the censor's finding can still be challenged anyway. Why put people into a position where they pursue that avenue?

Last I heard over 1.5m views already counted and teachers were polling students with about 50% of classrooms having seen it. They don't want citizens - esp children watching this shooting and getting upset.

I think the police just want to find out who the people that cheered this nut job on are. They will want to know his support network, whether they knew of his plans, and if so whether they were involved. This is a great means to cast a net wide over unsavouries for the police in NZ and internationally.

Otherwise all these journalists, gun experts and academics who have been on the news who have watched the stream are going to be charged. I really don't see that happening.

No I havn't seen it myself. But it really was being linked everywhere and widely available on youtube and facebook.


Sharing does not equal promotion of an agenda. Its an historical event and its evidence. Censorship however is backed by an agenda and it's pretty obvious what the 5x I's agenda is here. I've seen videos from both locations and I have my own conclusions. We'll leave it at that.

Meanwhile, close your eyes and sing somewhere over the rainbow until you fall asleep.

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:55 am
by Paddles
And MSSA and Semi-Auto's are now banned if they are able to be used with a detachable magazine bigger than 5 cartridges unless .22 or under.

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:46 am
by Katto
problem reaction solution

first they come for your guns then they come for your speech

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:57 am
by Paddles
Katto wrote:problem reaction solution

first they come for your guns then they come for your speech


Well this is not true. They already talk this guy's right to hate speech, but they left him with his guns. And noone knowing how much he hated.

Anyway, I don't buy into NRA arguments at all.

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:16 am
by Katto
Paddles wrote:
Katto wrote:problem reaction solution

first they come for your guns then they come for your speech


Well this is not true. They already talk this guy's right to hate speech, but they left him with his guns. And noone knowing how much he hated.

Anyway, I don't buy into NRA arguments at all.


NRA has nothing to do with this.

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:37 pm
by Katto
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New Zealand PM @jacindaardern announces 2 min. silence and broadcasting the Muslim Call to Prayer on Friday.

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:27 pm
by Paddles
Good on her. She's done well Katto.

Very very well.

I bet her approval rating is peaking in NZ.

The opposition has supported all her moves...

That's my prime minister... I say it proudly so far...

Christchurch shooting

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:58 pm
by Going South
Paddles wrote:Good on her. She's done well Katto.

Very very well.

I bet her approval rating is peaking in NZ.

The opposition has supported all her moves...

That's my prime minister... I say it proudly so far...

I see a leader.
Same is true on the way modi handled terror threats from Pakistan and showing balls and courage to bomb terrorist camps inside a nuclear armed neighbor & bring home all bank fraudsters.
Can’t say the same for all other world leaders from (ahem) countries.

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:24 am
by Katto
Paddles wrote:Good on her. She's done well Katto.

Very very well.

I bet her approval rating is peaking in NZ.

The opposition has supported all her moves...

That's my prime minister... I say it proudly so far...


you would

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:04 am
by Paddles
Katto wrote:
Paddles wrote:Good on her. She's done well Katto.

Very very well.

I bet her approval rating is peaking in NZ.

The opposition has supported all her moves...

That's my prime minister... I say it proudly so far...


you would


I did and I do.

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:03 am
by bolero
Jacinta Arden has done good purposeful action by taking action against possession of semi automatic firearms.

Good on her.

This is not intent, this is positive action.

However, I am cringing at her wearing the headscarf and trying to 'appease' Muslim sentiments.

You can be yourself and take action instead of trying to bend over backwards.

When you try to bend over backwards, it causes a backlash among the majority community.

I am saying from the Indian experience. Same thing which is happening in Europe.

Trump was propped up by both far left and right voters, so he is not the correct example.

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:24 am
by Going South
Today is holi, hindu festival of colors. Considering there are many Hindu citizens in NZ, do we expect similar support to other religions? Heard they “toned down” celebrations compared to earlier!

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:20 am
by Katto
strong leaders don't make rash decisions without weighing up implications
I don't see a strong leader here, I see the opposite and this is why NZ was chosen as the target for this operation.

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:45 pm
by Paddles
bolero wrote:Jacinta Arden has done good purposeful action by taking action against possession of semi automatic firearms.

Good on her.

This is not intent, this is positive action.

However, I am cringing at her wearing the headscarf and trying to 'appease' Muslim sentiments.

You can be yourself and take action instead of trying to bend over backwards.

When you try to bend over backwards, it causes a backlash among the majority community.

I am saying from the Indian experience. Same thing which is happening in Europe.


Hardly think she has bent over backwards, all the government is providing that regular people do not get is the 50 government paid for funeral plots - I think they're getting maybe extra financials towards the cost of the services - but noone is really worried about that. If funerals were not such an intimate thing - I'd be happy with their being a state funeral for all 50.

The scarf wearing is simply an attempt to decrease racism and display multiculturalism. Had it been 50 Hindus slaughtered - she'd wear a bindi. She wants too and she has the choice to. And many copied her this week at all the related vigils.

Most racism in NZ doesn't discriminate between Sikh, Tamil, Muslim and Hindu. But it lives in NZ. This is a good opportunity to take some support away from racism and towards embracing multiculturalism.

This guy did target Muslims in particular however because of his intl White Supremacy message boards. So to prevent this from happening again, it is a positive step to eradicate Islamaphobia in NZ.

I certainly don't see it as bending over backwards. It's just reaching out to people who suffered race hate, that this race hate is not her hatred.

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:47 pm
by Paddles
Katto wrote:strong leaders don't make rash decisions without weighing up implications
I don't see a strong leader here, I see the opposite and this is why NZ was chosen as the target for this operation.


Seems like NZ was really chosen because he was able to get the firearms so easily here despite what the shooter may claim. He got a firearms license within a month of entering the country.

He then later "chose" NZ.

He couldn't have done this in Australia as simply since Aus banned these guns after Port Arthur. If NZ had been more pro-active - it should have followed suit then too. Most policies in a democracy concerning safety are reactive or just never implemented.

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:01 am
by Katto
Paddles wrote:
Katto wrote:strong leaders don't make rash decisions without weighing up implications
I don't see a strong leader here, I see the opposite and this is why NZ was chosen as the target for this operation.


Seems like NZ was really chosen because he was able to get the firearms so easily here despite what the shooter may claim. He got a firearms license within a month of entering the country.

He then later "chose" NZ.

He couldn't have done this in Australia as simply since Aus banned these guns after Port Arthur. If NZ had been more pro-active - it should have followed suit then too. Most policies in a democracy concerning safety are reactive or just never implemented.


so you agree his mission was to get certain firearms banned in NZ

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:10 am
by Paddles
Whatever his mission or motivations were was over and against slaying 50 people because of who they pray to - I really am not interested in. But this attack is a good opportunity for NZ to further eradicate racism in NZ. It's a long process. But this is an opportunity to be more inclusive as against divisive.

Re: Christchurch shooting

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:14 am
by Katto
He said what he wanted to achieve and he achieved it. He won. Your PM let the terrorist win.