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London to New York in 1 hour

Postby raja » Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:46 pm


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Re: London to New York in 1 hour

Postby GpeL » Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:03 pm

Good technology but too uncomfortable/dangerous for 'passenger' liner.

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Re: London to New York in 1 hour

Postby Going South » Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:45 pm

it might take atleast 10 years before its implemented for common folks

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Re: London to New York in 1 hour

Postby Katto » Tue Aug 04, 2015 1:38 am

try 50
I remember 30 years ago this same thing was proposed with one of these space planes

Its pie in the sky stuff.

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Re: London to New York in 1 hour

Postby SuperGLS » Tue Aug 04, 2015 2:17 am

Sure Katto, but 30 years ago the tech wasn't quite there and would have been more expensive. Still I agree that it'll be a while.

If it happens and was a reasonable price, say USD$1200-1400 round trip (like the price of a current ticket), I'd be watching a lot more cricket.

And oh, Patent Yogi is my new weekly internet hero.
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Re: London to New York in 1 hour

Postby Katto » Tue Aug 04, 2015 4:18 am

SuperGLS wrote:Sure Katto, but 30 years ago the tech wasn't quite there and would have been more expensive. Still I agree that it'll be a while.

If it happens and was a reasonable price, say USD$1200-1400 round trip (like the price of a current ticket), I'd be watching a lot more cricket.

And oh, Patent Yogi is my new weekly internet hero.


dont hold your breath waiting

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Re: London to New York in 1 hour

Postby GpeL » Tue Aug 04, 2015 6:30 am

Going South wrote:it might take atleast 10 years before its implemented for common folks


Not unless the steep takeoff and landing are addressed. Even now, the ears of passengers pop during landing.. and this is a rather gentle gradient. This one is literally vertical.. and considerable G forces..unless a person has proper training to withstand those (and as a passenger), there is no way this can be used for general transport.

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Re: London to New York in 1 hour

Postby peaceful » Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:20 am

you get, Salty Nuts or saffron ice cream in first class ticket, though no dinner in 60 minutes.

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Re: London to New York in 1 hour

Postby SuperGLS » Tue Aug 04, 2015 12:47 pm

Katto wrote:dont hold your breath waiting


I won't. But thinking it's cool doesn't do any harm now does it?
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Re: London to New York in 1 hour

Postby Katto » Tue Aug 04, 2015 2:46 pm

SuperGLS wrote:
Katto wrote:dont hold your breath waiting


I won't. But thinking it's cool doesn't do any harm now does it?


as long as you realise its science fiction fantasy :grin: :up:

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London to New York in 1 hour

Postby Going South » Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:16 pm

Well. Visiting moon is also thought of science fiction fantasy one time.
Technological advance over years is exponential. If we say It took 5000 years to invent wheel, it takes 1000 years each to have bullock cart or a working pully. Invention of steam engine opened more doors. Then it took less time to advance more upon invention of electricity. If we get technological advance of using solar energy we might have a colony in Mars pretty soon if we go by plans of pioneers like Elon musk. Why not?
If an invention is made, unlike earlier it sure takes less time to implement for common man compared to earlier years as time progresses.

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Re: London to New York in 1 hour

Postby GpeL » Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:49 am

it is not about can it be done. it can. my point is about the comfort factor. climbing the pax will exp 2.5 Gs which is no big deal but descending the reverse will be true i.e negative G. That will cause a person to pass out if for long and if not pass out, sick for sure.

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Re: London to New York in 1 hour

Postby Katto » Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:03 am

Going South wrote:Well. Visiting moon is also thought of science fiction fantasy one time.
Technological advance over years is exponential. If we say It took 5000 years to invent wheel, it takes 1000 years each to have bullock cart or a working pully. Invention of steam engine opened more doors. Then it took less time to advance more upon invention of electricity. If we get technological advance of using solar energy we might have a colony in Mars pretty soon if we go by plans of pioneers like Elon musk. Why not?
If an invention is made, unlike earlier it sure takes less time to implement for common man compared to earlier years as time progresses.


still is as far as I'm concerned :cool:

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Re: London to New York in 1 hour

Postby Going South » Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:17 am

Ofcourse some things on earth never change. Sun rising, clouds raining & katto being katto. Right? ;)

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Re: London to New York in 1 hour

Postby SuperGLS » Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:25 am

It's ok GS. Non-Americans...

The Concorde used to fly into Dulles airport when I was a kid living just south of the airport in Centerville, VA. We thought it was the coolest thing ever when it flew over.

Going South wrote:Ofcourse some things on earth never change. Sun rising, clouds raining & katto being katto. Right? ;)


Yup!

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Re: London to New York in 1 hour

Postby raja » Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:18 am

Striped Lungi wrote:it is not about can it be done. it can. my point is about the comfort factor. climbing the pax will exp 2.5 Gs which is no big deal but descending the reverse will be true i.e negative G. That will cause a person to pass out if for long and if not pass out, sick for sure.


They're probably thinking of a solution for this too.

When they're doing so much, they're not going to lose sight of basics like this, I think.

But then I'm more optimistic about the human race than most people. :-)

Of course, unless BCCI is involved in some way...

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Re: London to New York in 1 hour

Postby Katto » Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:23 am

Going South wrote:Ofcourse some things on earth never change. Sun rising, clouds raining & katto being katto. Right? ;)


yep

but they are trying to tell us the clouds have stopped raining one minute then the next minute they try to tell us the clouds are raining more than they should :mrgreen:

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Re: London to New York in 1 hour

Postby Going South » Thu Aug 06, 2015 2:40 pm

Who are "they" here?
News media? ROFL

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Re: London to New York in 1 hour

Postby GpeL » Thu Aug 06, 2015 3:15 pm

raja wrote:
Striped Lungi wrote:it is not about can it be done. it can. my point is about the comfort factor. climbing the pax will exp 2.5 Gs which is no big deal but descending the reverse will be true i.e negative G. That will cause a person to pass out if for long and if not pass out, sick for sure.


They're probably thinking of a solution for this too.

When they're doing so much, they're not going to lose sight of basics like this, I think.


True.. only thing is I have not yet heard of anything that can 'fool' gravity yet. (Yes there is a concept of spinning a thing fast enough that the centrifugal force acts like gravity.. but a) the thing has to be HUGE b) fast enough and c) hasn't been done yet even as a simulated thingy (except spinning stones tied in ropes and even that I am not sure if that has been done in space)).

So to implement it for hypersonic pax travel I suppose is quite far off..


Military uses are many but then there have been birds that fast for quite some time..3.5 machish.

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Re: London to New York in 1 hour

Postby Going South » Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:23 pm

Every problem would have a solution.
If there is a demand it takes less time to invent one. Show the money!

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Re: London to New York in 1 hour

Postby GpeL » Fri Aug 07, 2015 5:06 am

Hm yes. And I would travel in it as is even. There are other issues they would need to address. The SR-71, the one that could reach speeds of 3.5 mach was so darn fast that the air in front could not seperate fast enough building heat and so much that the airframe "expanded" and it would land with oil leaks!! There are rumors that the outer hull would actually start to get 'red' hot. So think about a "airliner" going atleast that fast if not faster with a more bubbly body.. what that would entail (SR71 looked pencil thin in comparison). Its body was made of titanium alloy!!

But yeh there are solutions. And as long as they do not ask me to sit on a centrifuge like contraption to address the problem of negative G. I am game.

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Re: London to New York in 1 hour

Postby Synergy » Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:04 am

Wholly shit several posts where Striped Lungi sounds normal! I've never seen this many before.

Long flights are unbearably boring and it takes forever to get anywhere good from New Zealand. So hurry up with this Airbus.

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Re: London to New York in 1 hour

Postby GpeL » Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:12 am

Synergy wrote:Wholly shit several posts where Striped Lungi sounds normal! I've never seen this many before.

Long flights are unbearably boring and it takes forever to get anywhere good from New Zealand. So hurry up with this Airbus.


Hmm with science topics, I usually don't muck with.

As for long flights, for now that is the only choice, Besides I think one would love 7 hours of bore comprared to one hour of stomach churning sickness.

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Re: London to New York in 1 hour

Postby Synergy » Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:34 am

It takes like 14-20 hours to fly to US or Europe from here if it's direct or one stop. I rather take few seconds of stomach churning during takeoff and landing. I am normally ok with roller coasters.

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Re: London to New York in 1 hour

Postby GpeL » Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:49 am

Well roller coaster is one thing. This is entirely another. You are right that in a roller coaster the feeling of G's is fleeting .. few seconds at best..and they do NOT exceed 1.5 G and NEVER -ve G's (because of the rotational movement the gravitational or "pull" force is almost always directed towards your butts because of the centrifugal force which "throws" you outwards and the overall "net" forces balance such that you are always in a +G envelope so that the blood does not rush to either extremities of your body... (which is unlike gravity which is a mix of certipetal/coriolis and centrifugal forces) but does the same thing..

A sudden burst of + or minus G will make a person passout because the blood rushes either too fast to the brain or AWAY from the brain and either cases can cause a blackout. one of the reasons parajumping is first taught tandem. When a jumper exits the airplane, he experiences -ve G first and that slowly reaches 0 G. And when the parachords open, the jerk causes huge +Gs which makes the blood rush away from the head which is so sudden, it will knock out the jumper and then it can be a disaster.

To experience this, if you have a theme park around and they have a 'free fall' ride, take that. When they launch you up, take a coin and place it on your palm. When you are let go, you will see the coin fly/hover a centimeter above your hand.. THAT is -ve G (And very marginal at that and very fleeting).

This mode of transport where you are passing in and out would not be fun at all I can guarantee you that. You might attempt it for bravado, curiosity once or twice but regular travel.. not a chance.

This takeoff and landing scheme is extreme.

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Re: London to New York in 1 hour

Postby SuperGLS » Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:48 pm

You saying it's not worth going to Australia then?

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Re: London to New York in 1 hour

Postby Going South » Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:15 pm

That's lungi response. For every topic he has something to say. If you looking for specifics you would be lost.

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Re: London to New York in 1 hour

Postby Boycs » Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:17 pm

SuperGLS wrote:You saying it's not worth going to Australia then?


Not unless you're bringing the ashes back with you

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Re: London to New York in 1 hour

Postby Boycs » Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:18 pm

I wonder if any passport security in Australia is tempted to deny defeated Aussie ashes team re entry into their home nation?

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Re: London to New York in 1 hour

Postby GpeL » Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:20 pm

No but they have been asked to swim back home.

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Re: London to New York in 1 hour

Postby Synergy » Fri Sep 04, 2015 10:06 am

SuperGLS wrote:You saying it's not worth going to Australia then?


Was that directed at me?

"Long flights are unbearably boring and it takes forever to get anywhere good from New Zealand. So hurry up with this Airbus." Thought I made it pretty clear.

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Re: London to New York in 1 hour

Postby GpeL » Fri Sep 04, 2015 10:23 am

Going South wrote:That's lungi response. For every topic he has something to say. If you looking for specifics you would be lost.


You are right. But I have exp with extreme G's (dude I TAUGHT my wife aerobatics).. My other airplane, the one I had before the diamond was a +6G/-5G capable but it was good for aerobatics but not for going anywhere reasonably far. So it was sold after 2 kids were born.

With aerobatics also, the stepping up to high G maneuvers is not done overnight. It is after long time of low G and gradually moving up. You don't want to pass out.

Negative G's are not that dangerous but they do may you want to puke.. like the tail slide.. it lasts for just 1 second but enough to make your stomach revolt.

Pataa hai is liye bol rahaa hoon. Agar nahi pasand hai to bol.. nahi bolta.

p.s you are very welcome to travel in that airplane as and when it comes out for your office commute. No issues there for me.

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Re: London to New York in 1 hour

Postby Going South » Fri Sep 04, 2015 12:26 pm

I know. But your message gets lot.
We need to read many times to understand what you are actually saying ! You expect all to be wired like you, guess what! Some of us are not. Muppet Brian's are not steady. ;)

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Re: London to New York in 1 hour

Postby GpeL » Fri Sep 04, 2015 12:39 pm

there was no message to get lost. technically it is not fesible that is it. Not in the way it has been shown.