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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby Paddles » Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:54 pm

Going South wrote:
RR - British player heavy. english fan base



Ambitious claim.
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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby Going South » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:40 pm

you mean there are no fans for stokes, archer & butler ? ouch.
if kohli or dhoni etc play county cricket a million+ indians would follow that county game!

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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby Paddles » Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:57 pm

Going South wrote:you mean there are no fans for stokes, archer & butler ? ouch.
if kohli or dhoni etc play county cricket a million+ indians would follow that county game!



Is Archer even a British citizen yet? He is 5 years away from qualifying for England.

Indians typically like cricket a lot more than Brits, and there's over 1.5bn Indians. Many of which migrated to England.

There's only 50 odd million Englishmen. Use the same 1.5k ratio (which is very generous seeing how cricket much Indians love cricket), you get 35k, is that enough to sell out the ground?

Bit shy of a fan base really :P
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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby Paddles » Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:52 am

KKR fans must be having at least a wry smile having let Gambhir go, and watching him struggle to score runs at a decent clip. He did make one 50, a slow one, in a loss, and has since produced the worst type of opening dismissals by chewing up dot balls, and then still getting out for a low score.

In a direct head to head comparison to Sunil Narine, just on opening the batting and ignoring the table top bowling performances of Narine, Narine is ahead of Gambhir with 1 50 plus score and 1 30 plus score, and the rest of his failures chewing up far less dot balls, In fact, when Narine scored 12 off 4 balls, that is close to not being a failure at all.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8048 ... -ipl-2018/

I think Gambhir while valuable in the dusty pitches KKR used to make at home, is too much of a hindrance for DD, who have already dropped Munro, Roy, Morris, and Christian, and now are looking to Plunkett as a bowler to solve their losing problem.

I don't think Munro was a bad purchase. But after 2 failures he was dropped and replaced by the lower averaging but just as brutal Jason Roy. Roy produced a matchwinning 90 first up, but now he has been dropped after 2 failures. But Delhi, despite Iyer, Pant and Maxwell, and Boult just always look like a cheaper more budget team than the opposition. And I think it starts right from the top with Gambhir. Who doesn't get dropped.
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Postby Going South » Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:28 am

you can’t blame gambhir if he end up with 10 other losers due to stupid auction selections. he has no breathing space and is suffocating. life is harsh & brutal and he got to face it and deliver. no other way. or better yet gambhir should retire gracefully like his buddy sehwag did. but with his temperament no one would give him mentor jobs, i doubt.

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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby raja » Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:55 am

Gambhir is a senior angry version of Rahane. :grin:
Both these guys have a poor-to-average SR, which is a huge liability considering they eat up a lot of deliveries.
But hey, the wisdom seems to be "the team plays around these guys, they play an anchor role".

This is all Test-match thinking, or even 50-over thinking.
In T20s, when you have just 120 deliveries to play, every delivery must be "monetised" to the maximum.
No room for anchor nonsense.
It's not like you have less wickets in hand - you still have 10.

Basically, we don't need Test-match thinkers for T20.
Unlearn all your Test match wisdom - think unadulterated T20.

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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby raja » Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:07 am

Quite telling that in the top 20 bowlers (based on economy rate) in the IPL so far, there isn't a single RCB player. :-)
So much for Kohli talking up his bowling unit before the IPL started.

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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby Paddles » Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:17 am

raja wrote:Gambhir is a senior angry version of Rahane. :grin:
Both these guys have a poor-to-average SR, which is a huge liability considering they eat up a lot of deliveries.
But hey, the wisdom seems to be "the team plays around these guys, they play an anchor role".

This is all Test-match thinking, or even 50-over thinking.
In T20s, when you have just 120 deliveries to play, every delivery must be "monetised" to the maximum.
No room for anchor nonsense.
It's not like you have less wickets in hand - you still have 10.

Basically, we don't need Test-match thinkers for T20.
Unlearn all your Test match wisdom - think unadulterated T20.


Yeah, this anchor role thing is all too often overdone to the detriment of teams. Especially when chewing up powerplay overs.
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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby Paddles » Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:09 pm

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... ng-defence

Okay - it is official. GG is the worst performing batsman this IPL (besides the dropped Darcy Short).

KW upto 4th best shows he is improving his sr. Helped by MI's failure though I am sure.

Wish we got stats like this for matches outside Indian games. The level of analysis just on cricinfo for the IPL is simply superb.
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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby Going South » Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:07 pm

infact those stats are given by fans. check match commentary.

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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby Paddles » Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:21 pm

Going South wrote:infact those stats are given by fans. check match commentary.


The fan comments are hardly as comprehensive even if accurate as an article like this.
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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby Going South » Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:25 pm

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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby raja » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:05 am

This Smart stats thing doesn't make sense for bowlers, methinks.

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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby Paddles » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:47 am

raja wrote:This Smart stats thing doesn't make sense for bowlers, methinks.


Really? I rate the smart economy rate stats.

Don't see the value of the three dot balls besides building wicket taking pressure. It is a bit unnecessary as a stat. Be like a batsman having a back to back boundary stat.
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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby raja » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:08 am

Paddles wrote:
raja wrote:This Smart stats thing doesn't make sense for bowlers, methinks.


Really? I rate the smart economy rate stats.

Don't see the value of the three dot balls besides building wicket taking pressure. It is a bit unnecessary as a stat. Be like a batsman having a back to back boundary stat.


Yes, that's the one I meant.
Means nothing.
It's a forced stat just because you have the data available, the crunching ability and want to appear nerdy.
Haven't checked out the rest of the smart bowling stats, tbh.
Saw only this one - didn't make sense to me.

On the batting side, that Narine scores so low in the smart stats surprises me.
He's always a gamble at the top - but his SR is often 200 or 250.
If he gets 12 off 4 or 5, he's already done a wee bit for his side.

I haven't looked at these smart stats in great detail.
If they take into account RRR and how a player influenced it (whether with bat or ball), THAT would be meaningful, I think.

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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby Paddles » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:28 am

raja wrote:
Paddles wrote:
Really? I rate the smart economy rate stats.

Don't see the value of the three dot balls besides building wicket taking pressure. It is a bit unnecessary as a stat. Be like a batsman having a back to back boundary stat.


Yes, that's the one I meant.
Means nothing.
It's a forced stat just because you have the data available, the crunching ability and want to appear nerdy.
Haven't checked out the rest of the smart bowling stats, tbh.
Saw only this one - didn't make sense to me.

On the batting side, that Narine scores so low in the smart stats surprises me.
He's always a gamble at the top - but his SR is often 200 or 250.
If he gets 12 off 4 or 5, he's already done a wee bit for his side.

I haven't looked at these smart stats in great detail.
If they take into account RRR and how a player influenced it (whether with bat or ball), THAT would be meaningful, I think.


They take in RRR by averaging the scoring out rates in every game for Smart SR and Smart ER. So it is very meaningful. Narine hasn't played all games as an opener which hurts his stats. He also doesn't always fire and has a lot of failures. But he is still beating Gambhir before bowling a ball! And he sint going to get dropped on his batting failures.

Agreed on that dot ball thing and Bravo appearing on the poor list demonstrates its limitation as ER matters more, especially for death bowlers. The dot balls matter as they increase the chances of a wicket soon. But its a weak metric by itself.
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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby Tinsel » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:45 am

:tissues: :: http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/10 ... er-to-lead

Iyer new Captain of DD as Gautam Gambhir Steps down
Axar & Chahal failed to take wicket at Banglore vs Proteas A

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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

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Tinsel wrote::tissues: :: http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/10 ... er-to-lead

Iyer new Captain of DD as Gautam Gambhir Steps down


Now he's droppable. But do they have replacements for him in a quota environment.

If Gambhir is smart - he will finally play with freedom else noone is signing him next year. Time to hit out GG.
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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby Going South » Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:44 pm

I am laughing my ass off every time they announce fair play award and team stats on who get to be on top of this goody-two-shoes list. means nothing. can’t even wipe ass with those stats.

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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby raja » Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:51 pm

Going South wrote:I am laughing my ass off every time they announce fair play award and team stats on who get to be on top of this goody-two-shoes list. means nothing. can’t even wipe ass with those stats.

I never quite understood this Fair Play Award thing, and never even cared about it.
The only thing I vaguely remember about it is that even in this, RCB wouldn't be anywhere near the top. :-)

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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby Going South » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:11 pm

i would love to know on what basis they award? show-off walking? claim grounded catch? i want to know exact stats used for each team. show proof.

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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby Paddles » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:36 pm

raja wrote:
Going South wrote:I am laughing my ass off every time they announce fair play award and team stats on who get to be on top of this goody-two-shoes list. means nothing. can’t even wipe ass with those stats.

I never quite understood this Fair Play Award thing, and never even cared about it.
The only thing I vaguely remember about it is that even in this, RCB wouldn't be anywhere near the top. :-)


Its determined by on field umpires I believe for not sledging, not abusing or unreasonably challenging umpires, not swearing etc.
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Postby Going South » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:26 pm

if a team question umpire judgement and ask for review and prove them wrong, they would mark them low on fair play scale as a revenge?

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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby Paddles » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:35 pm

Going South wrote:if a team question umpire judgement and ask for review and prove them wrong, they would mark them low on fair play scale as a revenge?


Review is fine. Torches and pitchforks not fine.
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Postby Going South » Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:47 am

fining kohli over slow over rate is too harsh. these laws should be flexible in IPL. a warning would have been enough. only repeat offenders should be punished this severe.

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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby Paddles » Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:17 pm

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... tournament

This is a list of top run scorers in this IPL. About halfway down is Sunil Narine. I think any batsman, or even high order allrounder appearing after him on the list, ought be disappointed with their IPL batting season so far. The sole exception being Dwayne Bravo.

What is very noticeable is that the SRH, despite leading the table, have just been overly reliant on KW. While he sits second on the run-scorers chart, Saha, Dhawan, Pathan, Al Hasan, and Pandey are all below Narine. Perhaps SRH are used to doing this with Warner scoring over 800 runs in the 2016 ed and winning the orange cap in 2017, but they will want a more even blend of run scoring going into the finals, as no one wants a game to hinge on the opposition getting just 1 cheap wicket.

Further big names below Narine,

Stokes, Maxwell, Buttler, Agarwal, McCullum (only 4 games but similar average at lower SR), Gambhir, Billings, Short, and the big names of K Pandya, H Pandya and Pollard.

Now Narine and a tail end smacker opening the batting is not new. It has been appearing in ODI ever since Lance Cairns used to bat for 3 for NZ on regular occasion when in NZ and Aus thre was a 30 metre circle, and it grew from there. Perhaps due to an injury, perhaps due to chasing a mammoth score, perhaps just to mix things up. In English T20 - Southee has done the exact same role. Over the last 35 years, there will be many more examples. Almost every team, at any level, has had a dabble with it. What changed was the 91/92 WC when Greatbatch, a specialist batsman, did so with more regular success. Suddenly Sri Lanka had Jayasuriya and Kaluwithirana mimic this. And people went away from tail enders opening as a dabble, and instead looked to proper batsmen and wicket keepers to do it. The batsmen after the popwerplay, if not out, would just wind back their scoring rate and look to play like batsmen again. But Narine is one of the few sustained specialist bowler efforts at it. It is now his regular batting spot. And at some point we may have to refer to him as an All-rounder, but right now he is still a specialist bowler who just opens the batting. And appearing below him on this run scoring list must irk the players below him, and if not, I ask why not?

Now I think Narine could really set a platform, that sees many more teams, especially those without big hitters, to use a bowler as a pinch hitter in the power play, to then have their proper batting resources follow. It isn't because he is a stellar success, it is because it actually makes sense if much of the top order options are not so adept at going over the top in the powerplay like Gambhir wasn't. But Narine's 20's at 170 plus, goes a long way to getting close over 50 from the first 6 overs. And his lost wicket should not hurt the batting department. He's been dragged up from the tail. It started as a BBL experiment the season before last, it was replicated in the the IPL last year due to Gambhir's slow scoring, and now it is his regular position.

Teams need to win about 7 or 8 games to makes the finals. That means if a tail end batsman wins just 1 game opening the batting and successfully swings boundaries constantly, the team is a lot closer to the finals than they were before, assuming that in the games they fail they do not chew up dot balls as they continue just to look to strike big. Just like schoolboy and Bangladeshi* and West Indian cricket, I foresee many some specialist batsmen appearing lower in the order in the future in t20 due to their lower sr and the increasing prevalence of allrounders. Because at some point, the simple equation of making sure the boundary hitters face as many balls as possible to hit boundaries, will trump the anchoring nature of Rahane type cricketers. Case and point? S Gill bats 7 for KKR, beneath Narine, Russell and Karthik. And if KKR had an Al Hasan or Bravo, instead of Mavi, Johnson, Chawla and Yadav, he could be appearing at 8 or even lower.

Traditional cricket wisdom is no longer under attack from weaker personalled teams doing what they must to try and win rather than fitting the ideal, tried and tested cricket team batting order.** There is actually an identification and implementation designed to meet the the confinements of the limited overs games with emphasis on likely maximisation of a score. Which is how the game should be played. Andre Russell may not be facing the new ball anytime soon, but already gone are the days where he remains in the dug out because some slow scoring but better batsman bats ahead of him in the order and the wickets falls in the 12th or 14th over say. The Narine phase is the just the next step in pursuing efficiency of tackling the new ball by having a lower order batsman swing hard at it and trying to make best use of the powerplay overs.

* No offence to Bangladesh fans, I quite like Mahumudullah as a player. West Indies have a long history of a mixed batting order with Ricardo Powell formerly appearing at 8 as a specialist batsman. This changed in Wt20 of late, as all the allrounders like Pollard (as he was then), Russell, Bravo, Braithwaite et al forced more limited batsmen down the order, with Sammy appearing in 2016 in the tail as a non-bowling specialist captain type role as the next best batting alternative in the squad, despite no Narine nor Pollard, and more batsmen like Fletcher and Charles sliding right down the order. That WI squad was quite unusual in how few specialist batsmen it had. But we know that WI batting is not their strong point of late.

** Limited overs innovation like opening with spin bowlers, using pinch hitters, or a batting order with specialist batsman batting low due to a team having several allrounders ahead of them seems to commonly stem from weaker sides making adjustments to giving themselves the best chance at winning, when their player roster does not support the traditional dogma of when a player should bat or bowl. I suspect the reluctance from top teams came from the fact of current success so why adapt, and the negative view of defensive test cricket where many teams gave themselves the best chance at losing, with stacked batting and weaker bowling, often without success. But test cricket dogma and its unchallenged wisdom is finally questionable in limited overs cricket, even if sometimes still the prevailing view.
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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby Paddles » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:13 am

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So I'm getting in before the RCB fans pull out the knives for Dan Vettori. Don't get me wrong, I am more than happy to champion Kiwi cricketers. I just think DV has slipped up a lot, and am not sure the RCB faithful will forgive him this time if the team does not turn around it's performances soon.



I wrote this 2 weeks ago.

I see from cricinfo commentary that Vettorri is under fire from RCB fans now.

The RCB fans are right, RCB is very poorly managed. Whether Vettori is the sole and main cause, we will find out in due time I guess.
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Re: IPL2018 Around The Boundary

Postby Daanav » Tue May 01, 2018 8:54 am

With Ngidi back in business, CSK's bowling has some much needed teeth. Being already at the top of the table, they are now in a position of strength. Dhoni will know how to use his troops to best effect.

SRH need to keep Hales to open with Dhawan. Pandey is a good player basically and should start to contribute in the second half of the tournament. Hooda is more unreliable but may be required to fill in batting gaps. Their bowling should manage the rest.

RR have some good overseas players on paper (Stokes, Buttler) but they have not fired yet. Soon, it will be getting uncomfortably close to return to England.

KKR have been blowing hot and cold. Uthappa often flatters to deceive. Narine with the bat and the Russell monster could go either way. They may make it to the top 4 but I cannot see them winning it.

KXIP started well but are showing signs of burning out. Miller has done very little thus far and neither has Finch. Gayle, Rahul and Ashwin's captaincy have so far held them together.

DD need Munro or Roy to contribute at the start for Iyer and Pant to continue. Maxwell seems to be more useful with the ball than bat. Morris needs to fit in somewhere.

RCB are a gone case. Even if VK and ABdV both score centuries, their pathetic bowling quintet would struggle to defend the big score. Worse still, they have very few options left.

MI? Don't care much for any player as long as they wear those colours. I hope they lose and lose badly. They might beat RCB today but they have some tough opponents coming who will hopefully keep them out of qualifying.

I think CSK, SRH and RR will definitely make it to the last 4. The last place will be between KXIP and KKR.

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Re: IPL2018 Around The Boundary

Postby Paddles » Wed May 02, 2018 4:59 am

Daanav wrote:With Ngidi back in business, CSK's bowling has some much needed teeth. Being already at the top of the table, they are now in a position of strength. Dhoni will know how to use his troops to best effect.

SRH need to keep Hales to open with Dhawan. Pandey is a good player basically and should start to contribute in the second half of the tournament. Hooda is more unreliable but may be required to fill in batting gaps. Their bowling should manage the rest.

RR have some good overseas players on paper (Stokes, Buttler) but they have not fired yet. Soon, it will be getting uncomfortably close to return to England.

KKR have been blowing hot and cold. Uthappa often flatters to deceive. Narine with the bat and the Russell monster could go either way. They may make it to the top 4 but I cannot see them winning it.

KXIP started well but are showing signs of burning out. Miller has done very little thus far and neither has Finch. Gayle, Rahul and Ashwin's captaincy have so far held them together.

DD need Munro or Roy to contribute at the start for Iyer and Pant to continue. Maxwell seems to be more useful with the ball than bat. Morris needs to fit in somewhere.

RCB are a gone case. Even if VK and ABdV both score centuries, their pathetic bowling quintet would struggle to defend the big score. Worse still, they have very few options left.

MI? Don't care much for any player as long as they wear those colours. I hope they lose and lose badly. They might beat RCB today but they have some tough opponents coming who will hopefully keep them out of qualifying.

I think CSK, SRH and RR will definitely make it to the last 4. The last place will be between KXIP and KKR.


RR?

You reckon?

I didn't have them in my top 4. And I still don't. I had the rest of the 4 you mentioned though. But I don't think KKR is a certainty for the top 4 neither. And while KXIP look shaky, they really only need 3 more wins in 7 games to gauarantee a top 4 spot.

Morris is gone by the way.
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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby Paddles » Sun May 06, 2018 1:35 am

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... tournament

So lets look at the successes.

Gayle is the most obvious success, averaging over 100.

KW and Kohli are averaging over 50, but their strike rates are in the 130s.

Iyer, Rayudu, Samson, Rahul and Dhoni are having IPL's to be proud of. As are imo Pant and Shaw with their higher SR's and averaging around 40. Karthik is going nicely, and Watson is scoring enough runs quick enough to make all round game contributions. His team mate Bravo has been magnificent with the bat averaging over 60 and striking at 170 plus to CSK home often.

So lets look at the failures: there's just too many.

Pandey, Stokes, BMac, Maxwell, Short, Tripathi, Gambhir, Pollard, Munro, Uthappa are all going worse than Narine. And QdK and Butler aren't going much better and definitely at lower SR. There has been quite a bit spent on these players. I don't think they're delivering the runs expected.

I'll look at the bowlers later.
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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby Paddles » Sun May 06, 2018 2:40 am

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... tournament

For bowling successes, Rashid Khan is leading the way. But we already know that. S Kaul however, is giving him ample support. As is Shakib Al Hasan. As is BK. No wonder SRH is a colossus in the field. The runs just dry up. Even dropped Thampi has good season numbers, with Sandeep Sharma going for just 5.31 runs an over. And he bowls half to 3/4 of his overs per game in the powerplay. Easily the best bowling unit by a country mile.

Burmah is having an outstanding season so far, conceding just 6.75 runs per over. Andrew Tye has also flown under the radar with excellent results. Joffra Archer has just continued on from his starring role in the BBL and Nat West Blast form, and continues to dominate T20 globally.

For me, and I haven't seen him bowl much this tournament, Muijeeb Ur Rahman at conceding less than 7 runs an over, who a few months ago was only playing U19's cricket, has really set the scene to announce his arrival to the world as more than just a youth star.

K Pandya is firmly knocking on the door of India limited overs selection by now. This is his third IPL in a row now where he is contributing well with bat and ball.

That's the good - what about the bad?

Unadkat isn't living upto his price tag. Tom Curran found himself dropped, but I didn't have high expectations of him at all myself. Laughlin is having a harder time of it than he would like. Morris was ordinary before leaving for the season.

RCB's Siraj and Sundar have disappointed Kohli. Woakes has found himself dropped, harshly in my opinion.
For CSK: Dhoni is worried about Thakur and Chahar. Tahir's been a bit ordinary too.

I have no issue with Boult or Bravo's numbers - and they continue to lead the way for their teams in the back end, and Boult does up top as well.

I am pleasantly surprised that Mich McClenaghan is only going for 8.5 an over. Which shows just how many batsmen are out of form because he has been taken too this IPL a few times that I am aware of. His numbers look better than Plunkett's, who I only recall having one bad game. So Mitch must have done some good things of late. But I'd still be playing Milne ahead of him.

I think there are more bowlers in form right now than batsmen, and this could make for some exciting finishes to continue. There's actually too many bowlers having very good seasons to discuss them all here. Safe to say, Ashwin, Mishra, Narine, Markande, Rajpot, even Bhaji are more than earning their pay cheques. And good bowlers like Mustafizur, are finding themselves on the sidelines as most teams bar RCB have been trying to boost their batting as their bowling has been doing okay.

Delhi find themselves in the unenviable position where they have inform batsmen Shaw, Iyer, Pant (even Roy did well enough winning one game out of 3 with a big knock before being dropped), with Mishra, Plunkett and Boult doing a good job with the ball. But with the likes of Gambhir, Avesh Khan and Munro disapointing, they just keep losing too many games. Gambhir did their season quite some damage because Munro at least when he gets out cheap, typically gets out quick and gives more balls to Pant and Iyer. I am glad Gambhir realised this and stood down. But now the on-field captaincy of a young and inexperienced captain in Iyer now shows. Delhi is just not complete in bowling nor batting, despite having a core of solid cricketers for the roles for players to slip in around. They need to spend more. And get some bigger names.
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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby Paddles » Sun May 06, 2018 11:09 pm

Getting close to race time in the IPL.

SRH and CSK look safe to make the finals,
and KXIP need just 2 wins in 5 games or 1 win with a good run rate.

So they look safe too.

The race for 4th could get tense, as KKR have stuttered to a 5 and 5 record with Mumbai after a horrid season start now 4 and 6 and hot on their heels as the only chaser with a positive run rate.

I think RCB, DD, and RR are pretty much gone. But I also said that after the first round of games. RCB stuffed up the auction, DD was too cheap, and RR had no team structure plan for balance bar buying a few stars. When one of them was Steve Smith on max, you knew their management was struggling to grasp T20.

The only surprise was MI losiing so many at the start. But they're winning now. I don't know why MI are playing Duminy ahead of Pollard, as bad as form as Pollard was in, I think they have to back him to come good.
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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby Paddles » Sat May 12, 2018 3:13 am

https://sports.mapsofindia.com/cricket/ ... orers.html

With 4 50's in a row - Jos Buttler finds himself in 6th position on the run scoring charts. Seems like he enjoys opening the innings no end.

Other points of interest, KW has a higher SR than Kohli. And average too.

Pant has a SR of 179, this is better than ABDV at 174, this is some serious ball striking from him this season in first place with 521 runs at 52.10.

Rahul with 58.87 at 156 has been whacking it too. And Rayudu at over 150 has not been slow.

Chris Lynn has snuck into 15th spot - averaging just below 30 at 134.

Dhawan has crept into 16th with 290 runs. Whilke Dhoni with the highest average and a good SR of 160, has slipped down to 8.

Uthappa in 18th spot with an average of 24.81 confirms my earlier post, the bowlers have been dominating this IPL with more bowlers in form than batsmen.
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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby Paddles » Sun May 20, 2018 11:35 pm

MI and KXIP by both losing last night, have ruined my predictions of RR, RCB and DD all missing the finals by letting RR slip through through to qualify. DD and RCB of course missed the finals, and Kohli conceded that they need to be smarter with team composition. Although I did rightly identify that Jos Buttler would win a few games for RR, at that stage I thought he was going to be used as a middle order bat, whereupon moving to opener for the second half of the tournament, he drastically increased both his potential and actual effectiveness, and won even more games and mitigated the harm that Rahane brings (by sliding him down the order).

I make no predictions for the finals, anything can happen, and anyone can win it from here, though. I will be supporting SRH.

It is a shame that CSK lost Santner to injury, it would be nice to have more Kiwis involved with Sodhi for RR and KW for SRH.
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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby Going South » Mon May 21, 2018 12:00 am

It would be awesome if KKR loses to RR.
I expect SRH vs CSK final.

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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby Tinsel » Fri May 25, 2018 12:46 pm

We fed up with SRH, why God wants 4 successful winner vs 4 successful Looser's final?
Axar & Chahal failed to take wicket at Banglore vs Proteas A

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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby Going South » Fri May 25, 2018 5:48 pm

shut up misty. SRH in finals now.
go dig a hole and jump in it.

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Re: IPL2018: April 07 to May 27, 2018

Postby Paddles » Sun Sep 02, 2018 12:38 am

Paddles wrote:I see that Gary Kirsten has been brought into help Dan Vettori with RCB, and I really believe that he may well need it...

And I am not so sure that Dan or BMac will survive a bad IPL season this year. If Dan keeps picking him, and BMac keeps failing, and RCB keep losing, and Gayle keeps making runs, Dan may just lose his job.

So I'm getting in before the RCB fans pull out the knives for Dan Vettori. Don't get me wrong, I am more than happy to champion Kiwi cricketers. I just think DV has slipped up a lot, and am not sure the RCB faithful will forgive him this time if the team does not turn around it's performances soon.



https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/1 ... ore-in-ipl

Dan has been sacked as RCB coach, replaced by Kirsten. New NZC thinking of bringing Dan in for NZC T20 - I hope not. Flemming has also offered to help, and Flemm's pedigree as a T20 coach is much superior to Dan's imo.

Sorry Dan, but that roster at RCB was poorly put together, and what there was available to work with was not assembled well neither. How much is VK's doing as a hands on captain - and how much is Dan's doing, is up for debate. But someone was gonna get rolled, and it was not going to be the best Indian batsmen of this generation, or possibly ever.
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Postby Going South » Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:21 am

expected it. Dan is not good anymore in tough demanding world

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Re: IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby Paddles » Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:38 am

Going South wrote:expected it. Dan is not good anymore in tough demanding world


I don't rate Dan BUT you're assuming it was Dan and not Kohli.

Kohli has made Shastri irrelevant as as BCCI coach. I'm not prepared to rule out he did the same to DV just yet.
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IPL2018: Around the Boundary

Postby Going South » Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:04 pm

all are equally responsible for the RCB misfortunes, the list is endless.

To an outsider if 5 world class players are given to you, still you come up short for many years, the problem is in planning the game & right utilization of resources not the skill of individual player skills. some people call it leadership or management.

PS: same players when playing under different team are successful, so the problem is not with players.