New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby bolero » Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:46 am

England still not recovered from shock of losing Ashes.

Scars remain.

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby Boycs » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:35 am

Broad is the youngest bowler to 400 wickets and the second quickest to 400 after Glenn McGrath.

I know part of that is increased scheduling, but also who could have predicted this when this floppy-haired teenager appeared on the scene with his 37+ bowling average?

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby raja » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:36 pm

Katto wrote:
raja wrote:
No, I'm not, though I'd like to.

Just made an observation that these day-night Tests in NZ (or for that matter, in Australia) are better now for cricket lovers in Pakistan.


I assume you must have some specific location in mind because I can think of plenty of reasons why one wouldn't want to live there. :)


No specific place as such.

Probably wouldn't want to live in a place where I'd feel unsafe, but other than this criterion, no issue with any place.

Needs to have good wifi, so I can support England wholeheartedly online.

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby Going South » Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:54 pm

somebody is happy looking at English batting. ;)

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby raja » Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:01 am

Can't comment on Andrew Jones (he played most of his Test cricket during my blackout period) but Glenn Turner was a fine batsman.
In the 70s, we always felt if we got Turner, we had the game.

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby raja » Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:02 am

England will definitely either win or save this.
NZ need a lead of at least 800 to have any hope of winning this game.

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby raja » Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:03 am

Going South wrote:somebody is happy looking at English batting. ;)

Wonder who this is. :grin:

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby raja » Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:20 am

Kane gone.
Beginning of the end for NZ.

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby Boycs » Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:55 am

raja wrote:England will definitely either win or save this.
NZ need a lead of at least 800 to have any hope of winning this game.


Oh do be quiet raja :D

Besides rain has salvaged the draw for England

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby Going South » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:44 pm

5 day test cricket anyone ?

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby Katto » Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:20 am

NZ should just declare already if they want to push for a result here
no time left to waste

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby Boycs » Sat Mar 24, 2018 8:46 am

Not a bad shout they might declare overnight.

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby raja » Sat Mar 24, 2018 8:56 am

If NZ declare, they will most certainly lose.

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby Boycs » Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:40 pm

Watching some of these great lines and movements from Boult when England batted.

I’d love to find my post a month or so ago where I touted the NZ attack as seriously good at home.

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby Boycs » Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:47 pm

Great catch by Williamson to snaffle Broad. Love Broads reaction too

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby Katto » Sun Mar 25, 2018 3:45 am

Why are these imbeciles still batting?
What do they think they're doing? Playing in the Shield final?

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby Boycs » Sun Mar 25, 2018 8:50 am

Nasty blow looks like it might have broken roots finger and he’s out trying to protect his hand next ball. Sour end to a better day for England but the match is gone I reckon even with the rain

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby raja » Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:53 am

Broad and Anderson could easily be top-order batsmen.

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby raja » Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:59 am

Oh, it's all over!

Inspite of the weather doing its very best to save England, it couldn't.

Thrashed by an innings.

Congrats to all NZ supporters.

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:20 am

Tastle was getting big turn on what was effectively a day 3 pitch. He has more than deserved his opportunity to finally and successfully display his skills.

Wagner did his usual thing.

As did Boult.

Fine win by NZ in a match where NZ's usual passengers did enough and in some cases, then some.
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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby bolero » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:25 am

Rain did its best to assist England, yet they were thrashed.

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby bolero » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:26 am

Congrats Paddles.

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby raja » Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:38 am

Congratulations, Paddles.
Would you say the surprise in this game was Nichols?
You've always been iffy about him in Tests - must have been a pleasant surprise.

When rain robbed us of almost 2 full days, I was starting to get worried.
Thankfully it didn't matter in the end.

I continue to be impressed by Wagner. He keeps chipping away - always good to see him getting rewarded.

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby Going South » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:06 am

congrats to all kiwi fans. Well deserved win !!

To think of it, I now question all the wins by Australians as “well deserved” or not. They sure ruined their reputation.

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:15 am

raja wrote:Congratulations, Paddles.
Would you say the surprise in this game was Nichols?
You've always been iffy about him in Tests - must have been a pleasant surprise.

When rain robbed us of almost 2 full days, I was starting to get worried.
Thankfully it didn't matter in the end.

I continue to be impressed by Wagner. He keeps chipping away - always good to see him getting rewarded.


Wagner continues to impress and has become a cult hero of NZC fans for sure. To quite fully comprehend the Wagner story, you have to understand anticipation of NZC fans of greatness during his qualification for NZC international test stand down as he dominated domestic batsmen, then the disappointment of his early test days being failures, his improvement, but then his prolonged and undeserved dropping (the duration was too long as Matt Henry and Bracewell were given too long to continue to disappoint even if worthy call ups where Bracewell was tried as more of a allrounder), and his total success since recall especially with bouncers. Every keen NZC fan wishes he had played in Australia in 2015 and both tests in 2016. But the past is the past. How fit is he? 12 overs of short pitched on the trot, already 22 in the day, and ready for more for overs. Incredibly fit. His stamina and effort on the playing field and its associated global reputation will set him up for life beyond cricket. It isn't only noticed and respected in NZ. He is a difficult guy not to be a fan of regardless of your favourite team.

Nicholls, yes Raja I was pleasantly surprised. Nicholls is clearly a guy working very hard in the nets, this was made obvious to me in white ball cricket earlier in the season, as his game was definitely evolving, but he is still overall short of the mark required to be an international star. That said, what was very nice in this innings was his driving straight down the ground, and even glancing to mid wicket. Until this innings, this was a major flaw in Nicholl's game, he either shovelled drives and spooned catches, or just missed them altogether. Now before I get too excited by this development, which with his high quality sweep, world class cut shot and okay pull shot (at test level with a field up anyway) would make him of a high quality to nigh complete batsman, I want to qualify it by stating that he downhill skii'd off KW's 100 and that the English bowlers were low 130km/h pace, no swing and little seam, and already played out of winning the game after their batsmen were dismissed for 58 in the first innings.

That said, because Nicholls is getting better, and improving, he may yet get to a high quality standard. Which is better than being the total spud he has been for NZ in the past in tests, and still really is in white ball cricket. I am more hopeful for Nicholls as a high quality test cricketer than before, but he is still at this stage, not as good as Jessie Ryder, but I happily concede he is getting better, but I am further still not convinced under a sterner test in India, Safrica, England, Pakistan or Australia, that he will get the result. But there's more hope now than before this game as he now has a straight drive game, even if against a non swinging attack at low 130km/h.
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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:41 am

Boycs wrote:Broad is the youngest bowler to 400 wickets and the second quickest to 400 after Glenn McGrath.

I know part of that is increased scheduling, but also who could have predicted this when this floppy-haired teenager appeared on the scene with his 37+ bowling average?

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:43 am

bolero wrote:Rain did its best to assist England, yet they were thrashed.
Well played Black Caps.. special mention for arguably the worlds best swing bowler..Trent Boult. Look out Trent you and Jimmy Anderson could soon have a rival in our Canberra bred Nick Winter. Being tipped for an Ashes berth next year.

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby Katto » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:46 am

baggygreenmania wrote:
bolero wrote:Rain did its best to assist England, yet they were thrashed.
Well played Black Caps.. special mention for arguably the worlds best swing bowler..Trent Boult. Look out Trent you and Jimmy Anderson could soon have a rival in our Canberra bred Nick Winter. Being tipped for an Ashes berth next year.


Indeed Trent Boult was getting plenty of swing with the Kookaburra ball

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby Katto » Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:03 am

Paddles wrote:
raja wrote:Congratulations, Paddles.
Would you say the surprise in this game was Nichols?
You've always been iffy about him in Tests - must have been a pleasant surprise.

When rain robbed us of almost 2 full days, I was starting to get worried.
Thankfully it didn't matter in the end.

I continue to be impressed by Wagner. He keeps chipping away - always good to see him getting rewarded.


Wagner continues to impress and has become a cult hero of NZC fans for sure. To quite fully comprehend the Wagner story, you have to understand anticipation of NZC fans of greatness during his qualification for NZC international test stand down as he dominated domestic batsmen, then the disappointment of his early test days being failures, his improvement, but then his prolonged and undeserved dropping (the duration was too long as Matt Henry and Bracewell were given too long to continue to disappoint even if worthy call ups where Bracewell was tried as more of a allrounder), and his total success since recall especially with bouncers. Every keen NZC fan wishes he had played in Australia in 2015 and both tests in 2016. But the past is the past. How fit is he? 12 overs of short pitched on the trot, already 22 in the day, and ready for more for overs. Incredibly fit. His stamina and effort on the playing field and its associated global reputation will set him up for life beyond cricket. It isn't only noticed and respected in NZ. He is a difficult guy not to be a fan of regardless of your favourite team.


South Africa continue to produce more quality bowlers than they know what to do with. A credit to their system.

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby Katto » Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:58 am

bump

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby Boycs » Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:39 am

Woakes and Moeen have been dropped. Moeen i get and anything to get leach in for a try but i thought it a bit harsh on Woakes.

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby Katto » Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:53 am

maybe Moeen is homesick
tends to happen to England cricketers

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby raja » Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:58 am

Woakes? Why would they drop Woakes?
Is he carrying an injury, seeing as he's been picked up by RCB for the IPL? :-)

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby Katto » Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:37 am

former NZ captain Brendan McCullum is credited with improving NZ cricket team's sportsmanship from the bad old days of Cairns, Parore and Vincent.
That's right, the captain, not the coach.

In cricket the captain sets the standard, its not football.

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby Boycs » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:36 am

Livingstone hasn't done anything to deserve selection

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby Tinsel » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:38 am

raja wrote:Woakes? Why would they drop Woakes?
Is he carrying an injury, seeing as he's been picked up by RCB for the IPL? :-)

He not injured but Root wants improvments in bowling Department so he wants wood/ Leach in place of all-rounder Woakes and mo.
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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby Boycs » Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:16 pm

I think Wood needs to be discarded. He has had plenty of opportunity and his 40+ average hasn’t come down. It’s time to stop trying to suggest that he is “just getting into his grove” or “finally shaking off an injury” he just doesn’t have what it takes.

You can purr all you like about how he bowls in nets or what his action is like but the reality is that if you’re talented you will succeed and if you aren’t skilled enough you won’t. It’s not rocket science

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby Tinsel » Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:08 pm

Boycs wrote:I think Wood needs to be discarded. He has had plenty of opportunity and his 40+ average hasn’t come down. It’s time to stop trying to suggest that he is “just getting into his grove” or “finally shaking off an injury” he just doesn’t have what it takes.

You can purr all you like about how he bowls in nets or what his action is like but the reality is that if you’re talented you will succeed and if you aren’t skilled enough you won’t. It’s not rocket science


So why England need Vince as 7th batsman? Probably ben stokes only use as specialist batsman but not bowl

(we can see tomorrow, at 3 03 am IST , 333 minutes later)

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby Boycs » Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:57 pm

Thank god for that

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby Shambles » Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:00 pm

Boycs.... Wood has been injured for so long we have all forgotten what he can do! But I remember watching him at Lords against the Cheaters on a very flat track & he was ordinary. Woakes is a useful bat lower down but youre deluding yourself if you feel he is a Test class bowler. Leach deserves a chance but if he gets selected at Hagley Park then he'll never get a tougher place to debut as a spinner, but I like what I've seen of Leach & he offers something far better & different than Moeen. Love Test Cricket. England have to be right on it tonight!

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby Boycs » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:20 pm

Cook gone for a nothing score yet again, he needs to survive until the next home series to make hay in UK conditions otherwise his career might be at an end.

Walking wicket James Vince in next so will be two-down shortly.

Basically Root and Malan the only people in the top five posing any kind of threat thanks to a mixture of class or just decent form. Then Johnny and stokes provide some engine room power followed by a tail that can wag on its day.

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby Boycs » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:23 pm

God imagine if Cook retires after this test? Who comes in? Hameed to open with stoneman? Or will they bring Jennings back to open with Hameed for a youth pair to stick with no matter what.

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Postby Boycs » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:24 pm

Super will be apoplectic if Cook retired

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby Boycs » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:29 pm

Man NZ are all over us. This isn’t the competitive series I was hoping it would be

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby Boycs » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:35 pm

Hameed has hit a century as captain against Glamorgan, interestingly.

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby raja » Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:19 am

England building towards a formidable score here.
Wood could've opened the innings for England, he's such a fine batsman.
Much like Barry Wood of Lancs in the 70s.
1-1 beckons.

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby Boycs » Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:52 am

290/8 with JB on 97*. These are not match winning totals England!

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby bolero » Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:18 pm

Good fightback from England.They were in deep trouble.

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby Boycs » Fri Mar 30, 2018 9:35 pm

Not out of the woods yet though. Looking forward to catching Johnny’s century before I go to sleep.

Maybe a late rally by the final two wickets might get us to 350

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Re: New Zealand vs England: 5 ODI & 2 Test; February 25 to April 03, 2018 in New Zealand

Postby Boycs » Fri Mar 30, 2018 9:40 pm

Watching the first innings highlights. Good review first up by Vince!

Roots wicket seemed to come out of nowhere