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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby Katto » Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:18 pm

raja wrote:
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What about a pair in his last test? :)


Hamilton satisfies that criterion too. :-)


okay, because that answers my next question :lol:

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby bolero » Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:10 pm

Is Sayers that bad ? Disclaimer, I didn't watch this test.

I remember a song Say a little prayer,will dedicate it to Sayers.

Sayers needs to say a lot of prayers.

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby Katto » Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:12 pm

His record at Shield level wasn't even that good this season. Not exactly an in form bowler. He was picked on past seasons performances.
He probably relies too much on swing and there was very little swing in the thin air of the Wanderers and he's a bit too slow.

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby Misty » Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:16 pm

Do you think Smith and other two, returns much early than 1 year?

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby Going South » Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:32 pm

Without Smith & Warner Australian team is a toothless PAPER tiger, made of “SANDPAPER”, sure look good from far, team is good on paper, but can be crushed by anyone right now, even windies, zimbabwe or bangladesh can make an easy killing. I dare them to play against minnows RIGHT-NOW.

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby Boycs » Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:17 pm

Misty wrote:Do you think Smith and other two, returns much early than 1 year?


Why misty I thought we'd banned you :D

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby MikeR68 » Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:34 pm

This article from cricket.com says it all

"Australia slump to 90-year low"

"The margin of victory is South Africa’s largest ever in terms of runs, while it’s Australia’s second-worst defeat of all time and heaviest since the 675-run loss to England in 1928 in Brisbane.
The defeat also sees Australia slip to fourth in the ICC Test rankings behind New Zealand, who batted out the day in Christchurch on Tuesday to secure a draw and a rare series win over England.
Australia have now gone more than two years without a series win away from home, having lost in Sri Lanka, India, South Africa and drawn a series in Bangladesh."

In the history of Australian cricket only 20 bowlers have played 40+ tests and the current Australian side has 3, and weren't they all cocky at the start of the test, anything SA could do Australian bowlers would do better. Looking at the performances Australia bowled like grade cricketers. Lyon 16 @ 42, Hazlewood 12 @ 39.25 and Starc 12 @ 34.4. They were humiliated by the bowling lesson South Africa dealt out.

Baggers says the mark of a good bowler is the amount of times he gets plays and misses. If that is the case where are the bowled and LBW's. The old saying "they miss, you hit" obviously doesn't apply to the current bowlers. It worked for SA, 8 out of 20 were bowled or LBW.

For the record this last test was the 9th time out of 40 that Hazlewood took 0 or 1 wicket for the test.. not innings.. the test (and to make matters worse 9 times in his last 30 tests). It happens, all bowlers will have a poor test eg Johnson 7 times in 73 tests, but not with such a regularity. 1 in 4 tests if you think about it is every 4th test Australian bowl with only 3 bowlers to get 20 wickets, ie 2 bowlers take 7 wickets and 1 takes 6. That is a hard achievement for one bowler to achieve under normal circumstances, but to have to have 3 bowlers do it simultaneously and with such regularity. It doesn't happen, and you have to hope for a draw at best. (For the record Starc has only taken 0 or 1 wicket in a test on 3 occasions in 43 tests and Cummins is yet to do it)

As brilliantly as Cummins bowled in this series he still could only average 5.4 wickets per test. Cummins has to be the leader now, he takes the new ball.

Thus the necessity for Australia to weaken the batting line up to play an all-rounder at 6, it's all for one bowler. That is the first thing that has to be changed, 6 batsmen have to play. M Marsh has to go... his record of 27 average as a batsman is not up to it. The bowlers should have to account for themselves, and not be covered by selections. S Marsh, Khawaja, Handscomb will be lucky to be retained.

The only players that are certainties for the future tests IMO are Paine, Burns and Cummins. Most probables selections but with the axe looming are Renshaw, Khawaja, Lyons, Hazlewood, Starc.

Vice Captain should be Burns, for one reason only, his attitude. When asked how much the jet lag was affecting him (lands in SA Wednesday night, plays test Friday morning) Burns said, if he gets tired he drinks a red bull and goes out to get the job done. No excuses. But that is Joe Burns. If his form is not up to scratch and he is dropped, he accepts it, doesn't sulk in a corner, and goes back and plays sheffield shield to the best of his ability. Joe will always play with everything he has got and if it's not enough then so be it. That's the right attitude. He's not about the money, that's just the cream on top.
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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby Loose halo » Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:50 pm

Katto wrote:
Loose halo wrote:G S's voodoo doll must be chock full of pins.

RSA were so good with bat and ball one couldn't help but admire their skill.

Philander and De villiers are in my world team.


only? :)

not Markram and Rabada?


Certainly not Markram as for Rabada you can't fit two SA fast bowlers in a world team I rate a fit Starc and one of the India pair above him.

He goes missing if the pitch doesn't suit maybe next year he is not quite there when unpumped either.

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby Katto » Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:15 am

Loose halo wrote:
Katto wrote:
only? :)

not Markram and Rabada?


Certainly not Markram as for Rabada you can't fit two SA fast bowlers in a world team I rate a fit Starc and one of the India pair above him.

He goes missing if the pitch doesn't suit maybe next year he is not quite there when unpumped either.


strange logic to leave out the world's best bowler :?

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby Loose halo » Wed Apr 04, 2018 4:20 am

I will bet you will change your mind in the future as to being the worlds best bit like Steyn when he got a swinging ball everone jumped on him. Rabada is everybody's current bandwagon.

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby Katto » Wed Apr 04, 2018 5:26 am

Loose halo wrote:I will bet you will change your mind in the future as to being the worlds best bit like Steyn when he got a swinging ball everone jumped on him. Rabada is everybody's current bandwagon.


Its a fair comment as it needs to be sustained over multiple series in multiple countries and conditions. He already has a sore back.

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby bolero » Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:31 am

Player Wkts Avg SR
K Rabada (SA) 23 19.26 36.70
PJ Cummins (AUS) 22 21.45 42.40
KA Maharaj (SA) 17 33.64 56.90
VD Philander (SA) 16 16.81 48.30
NM Lyon (AUS) 16 42.56 79.00
M Morkel (SA) 15 19.60 36.20
Starc (AUS) 12 34.41 54.60
JR Hazlewood (AUS) 12 39.25 80.00

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby bolero » Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:48 am

Philander best average among all bowlers both teams. Almost the average he secured against India. I think he was the highest wicket taker along with Mohd. Shami both teams put together.

Rabada highest wicket taker. Cummins head and shoulder among all Aussie bowlers. No 2 in wickets both sides.

Stats speak.

Hazlewood stats look disastrous so does Starc. And Maharaj does better than Lyon.

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby Katto » Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:09 am

mitigating factors such as its easier to take wickets when your batsman can create scoreboard pressure by um...batting well
and bowlers bowl as a team. Maharaj didn't bowl better than Lyon but he got the results. He was adequate in his role.

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby Katto » Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:10 am

This article about broadcasters role in tampering policing comes highly recommended by Katto because it jives with my own observations of how media can influence perceptions, and really create the reality the public accepts

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... -tampering

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Re: South Africa vs Australia: Test Series; March 1 to April 3, 2018 in South Africa

Postby bolero » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:04 am

Katto wrote:mitigating factors such as its easier to take wickets when your batsman can create scoreboard pressure by um...batting well
and bowlers bowl as a team. Maharaj didn't bowl better than Lyon but he got the results. He was adequate in his role.


To be honest, I dont rate Maharaj highly. I agree with your point.

It was a team effort for SA and a one man show for Aus, Cummins.