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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby raja » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:05 am

bolero wrote:
Boycs wrote:You need to use some sort of code to help tell your jinxed apart from genuine praise

It can get confusing at times.As you don't know which team he is actually supporting.
Probably Raja prefers it that way.


:grin:
Yes, predictability is a dampener. Ask Bhajji. :-)

Rather keep batsmen guessing.
Like a Kuldeep Yadav does.

One simple rule of thumb in my case though.
If I'm praising BCCI quicks, it's most probably genuine.
If I'm praising BCCI batsmen, it's most probably not.
Exception is when they've genuinely impressed me - like when they showed character in Joburg.
But this is rare.
If I'm praising Rohit Sharma (or any Mumbaikar), it's most likely very grudging. :-)

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Boycs » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:09 am

So..... do you rate kohli or not?

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby raja » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:14 am

Boycs wrote:So..... do you rate kohli or not?

I do - to some extent.
Would rate him much more if he got runs in swing conditions.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Boycs » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:51 am

Lol England is the pinnacle for your perception of batsmen.

Have you ever visited here? They have to build our roads in circles as ever our cars swing as we drive around. And we can’t ever walk straight without seaming off to the side :P

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Tinsel » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:57 am

After ABDV and FaF’s Un -availability,now Southafrica announced QDe Kock Out Of Remains Of 4 ODI and All t20i vs India with Wrist Injury

http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/10 ... dia-series

Un-Capped Henrich Klassen,will take the Gloves for Southafrica
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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Boycs » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:02 am

That’s decimated their line up a little bit!

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby bolero » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:18 am

Tinsel wrote:After ABDV and FaF’s Un -availability,now Southafrica announced QDe Kock Out Of Remains Of 4 ODI and All t20i vs India with Wrist Injury

http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/10 ... dia-series

Un-Capped Henrich Klassen,will take the Gloves for Southafrica


How come everyone has a broken finger or wrist. Are they all chickening out one by one ?

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby bolero » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:19 am

But to be fair to him, De Kock was rapped on the hand by a rising Bumrah delivery.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby bolero » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:01 pm

I dont think Jadeja is in the ODI squad, there is Axar (Akshar) Patel from your native, Nadiad.

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South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Going South » Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:52 pm

jadeja is past his prime. dhoni is not captain now to make him play inspire of his short comings. He is unfit to play IPL too but dhoni pulled strings to select him for chennai. bootlicker indeed.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Tinsel » Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:54 pm

Going South wrote:jadeja is past his prime. dhoni is not captain now to make him play inspire of his short comings. He is unfit to play IPL too but dhoni pulled strings to select him for chennai. bootlicker indeed.



He is still Bapu for test cricket today he gave 40 odd in 10 over spell in Nail biting
Vijay Hazare 50/50 , played handy knock with the bats too, giving narrow win to Saurashtra
I do not care even he is member of OWK or Bu** kisser Of MSD,he is ready to go and Fit 101%
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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Going South » Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:13 pm

BCCI women won over saffer women in ODI. the annihilation continues.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby raja » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:35 am

Tinsel wrote:
Going South wrote:jadeja is past his prime. dhoni is not captain now to make him play inspire of his short comings. He is unfit to play IPL too but dhoni pulled strings to select him for chennai. bootlicker indeed.

He is still Bapu for test cricket today he gave 40 odd in 10 over spell in Nail biting
Vijay Hazare 50/50 , played handy knock with the bats too, giving narrow win to Saurashtra
I do not care even he is member of OWK or Bu** kisser Of MSD,he is ready to go and Fit 101%


What is OWK?

I don't think Jadeja is past his prime - it's just that now he has more competition than he's had till now. Same with Ashwin.
It means both have to raise their games - they cannot afford to sit on past laurels.

Not a bad thing. Improves standard of team as a whole. Recently Ashwin was bowling leg-breaks, to add to his arsenal. The success of Chahal might have triggered this.

In general, except for Kohli (and probably Hardik for ODI/T20), not a single other player can afford to take his place for granted.
Given Kohli's work ethic, unlikely he'd slacken even if his place is assured.
Hardik needs some competition too - right now, there's no one pushing him for his place.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby raja » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:51 am

Boycs wrote:Lol England is the pinnacle for your perception of batsmen.

Have you ever visited here? They have to build our roads in circles as ever our cars swing as we drive around. And we can’t ever walk straight without seaming off to the side :P


Yes, I've been to England a few times - albeit a long time ago. Not been there this millenium.
London, Birmingham, Manchester...

I remember taking a cab at Manchester to get to Manchester station. This was a long time ago - probably 1994 or so.

I wanted to see Old Trafford cricket stadium, so the cab guy drove past it and pointed it to me.
Then he said "Am glad you're interested in seeing the cricket stadium - everyone who visits is always interested in seeing the football stadium".
I said "No, I'm more interested in the cricket stadium. Jim Laker's 19 for 90, and all".
I didn't expect him to react but he was thrilled. "Ah, yes. I was there, you know!"
I smiled - he wasn't young, so he might well have been there - but am sure that's a tale of many a cab driver in Manchester, esp if their customer is a cricket tragic. :-)

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby raja » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:55 am

Around this time (in the 2-3 months leading upto the IPL), players who are part of the IPL prefer to take it easy.
Their franchises want them fighting fit - so they don't want to risk any injury.
Not saying this is why Faf, AB and QdK are not taking part anymore in this ODI series, but this has been the trend in the past too.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby raja » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:59 am

Boycs, you might find this interesting.

The innings that Gavaskar rates as his most satisfying.
Not his double hundreds or any of his 34 Test centuries, but a 57 he scored at Old Trafford in 1971.
He explains why.

While talking about Manchester, I remembered this.
(I want to see Kohli get similar conditions to bat on. Must say English wickets have, over the years, become much easier to bat on, especially in the second half of summer.)

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/co ... 66991.html

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Tinsel » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:12 am

raja wrote:
Tinsel wrote:He is still Bapu for test cricket today he gave 40 odd in 10 over spell in Nail biting
Vijay Hazare 50/50 , played handy knock with the bats too, giving narrow win to Saurashtra
I do not care even he is member of OWK or Bu** kisser Of MSD,he is ready to go and Fit 101%


What is OWK?

I don't think Jadeja is past his prime - it's just that now he has more competition than he's had till now. Same with Ashwin.
It means both have to raise their games - they cannot afford to sit on past laurels.

Not a bad thing. Improves standard of team as a whole. Recently Ashwin was bowling leg-breaks, to add to his arsenal. The success of Chahal might have triggered this.

In general, except for Kohli (and probably Hardik for ODI/T20), not a single other player can afford to take his place for granted.
Given Kohli's work ethic, unlikely he'd slacken even if his place is assured.
Hardik needs some competition too - right now, there's no one pushing him for his place.


Our member uses the term Bootlicker so I used term OWK @ Group Of private club in England called” Other world kingdom “ were well educated white color rich people fulfill their ” Grey” secret Fantasy’s.
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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Paddles » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:15 am

raja wrote:Boycs, you might find this interesting.

The innings that Gavaskar rates as his most satisfying.
Not his double hundreds or any of his 34 Test centuries, but a 57 he scored at Old Trafford in 1971.


Fair enough. A good innings doesn't need to be three figures to be a good innings in the context of a match. England scored easy on that particular pitch, but different bowling attacks of course.
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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Going South » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:52 am

laxman’s 50s on day4 & day5 with tail-enders are much more valuable contribution than sachin’s 100s on day1.
(tongue in cheek ;) )

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby bolero » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:35 am

raja wrote:Around this time (in the 2-3 months leading upto the IPL), players who are part of the IPL prefer to take it easy.
Their franchises want them fighting fit - so they don't want to risk any injury.
Not saying this is why Faf, AB and QdK are not taking part anymore in this ODI series, but this has been the trend in the past too.


I am not aware about the nature of injuries to AB and Faf. AB is expected to play from 4th ODI onwards.

QDK was genuinely injured by a rising Bumrah delivery in the previous ODI, this was the very next ball after he played Bumrah awkwardly, ball rolled onto the stumps, but bails were not dislodged to the surprise of all . He has a race against time to be fit against Aussies.

Right now the South Africans resemble a walking wounded team. This is what happens when you set up traps for opposition, you have to first ensure you dont fall into it.

India have done a favour to the Aussies.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby squarecut » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:26 am

South Africans thought that they would overpower Indian batsmen with their pacers. They may have won the test series, but the loss in the third test seems to have turned the tables dramatically. Now it is Indian pacers and wrist spinners who are toying with South African batsmen.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Leo » Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:54 am

Good Luck South Africa.
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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Tinsel » Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:53 pm

Bolero
India throw it away from 140 for 1

MSD looks TOOTHLESS
20 ball 9 not out
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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby bolero » Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:08 pm

Yes, you are right.Dhoni struggling.

I said this before, India's batting is shaky

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Boycs » Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:36 pm

Kohli is sheer unstoppable on decent pitches or better

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Boycs » Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:38 pm

But 270-290 is often gettable these days

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Boycs » Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:42 pm

Why did kohli just take a single off the first ball of the last over?

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Going South » Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:47 pm

yes. 303 magic number. good total to defend.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Boycs » Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:49 pm

What makes it magic?

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby bolero » Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:51 pm

Good total.Kohli great knock.Bhuvi rescuing the team once again. Kedar Jadhav, Pandya all are loose, middle order lacks stability.Shreyas Iyer must be thinking that he should have learnt bowling.Kedar is keeping his place in the side because of the 5 overs he bowls as the 6th bowler.He has done absolutely 0 with the bat recently.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Paddles » Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:57 pm

Zondo? Despite Phelukwayo already playing with yesterday's Duminy, tomorow's Ngidi, plus proven high quality regulars Rabada, Tahir and Amla?

Have SA just given up on this series and now engaging in rampant quota padding?

In domestic Zondo only averages 32.57 at a sr under 75.

If a better team is rolled out for Australia, Indian fans are in their rights to take exception to this.

I have no idea how Safrican fans feel about the quota manipulation, but this series result is not concluded, if this is as such , but India is meant to be a meaningful tour, even if its just odi. I know that if India tour NZ that I want the best team on the park as I do against England or Australia. Even if Australia is more significant to NZers. And Safrica too for that matter, I'm sick and tired of being thrashed by them.
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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Boycs » Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:17 pm

Oh I forgot SA were without three of their top six

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Boycs » Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:21 pm

Amla walking off for 1. SA 1/1 without Amla. Game over.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby bolero » Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:48 pm

Paddles, I read in an article that South African Board has kind of given up on the series and wants to try out the youngsters with an eye on 2019 WC. Hence Zondo.

Behardien is 34, hardly spring chicken.

Once AB and Faf are back, SA line up will be more stable.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby bolero » Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:28 pm

Zondo really looks like a quota player, sorry to say.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby bolero » Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:48 pm

South Africa are running scared of Kuldeep and Chahal

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby bolero » Wed Feb 07, 2018 6:08 pm

India win by 124 runs.Kuldeep and Chahal pick 4 wickets each.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Going South » Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:27 pm

BCCI played like a BOSS. bitch please.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby shourey » Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:52 pm

"..This BCCI squad, led from the front by Kohli, is on its way to all-time greatness."

:) :) :) :) :)

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South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Going South » Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:44 pm

*After the series*

Ravi Shastri : time for series review

Virat Kohli : 4 century, 2 half century

Ravi Shastri : aur Pandya tera?

Pandya : brown hair, blue hair, blonde hair

yours?

Shastri : 2 Bottle Black Label, 2 Chivas, 3 Glenfiddich

Rohit Sharma: saving my talent for series against ban & at home games


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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Paddles » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:57 am

bolero wrote:Paddles, I read in an article that South African Board has kind of given up on the series and wants to try out the youngsters with an eye on 2019 WC. Hence Zondo.

Behardien is 34, hardly spring chicken.

Once AB and Faf are back, SA line up will be more stable.


So by "try out the youngsters" they really mean try out more new quota players to find better quota players and further meet their quota requirements so that they can below the threshold for games in series that they havn't yet given up on but still meet their annual average requirements of quota players.

Still at 2-0 in a 6 match series at home, it seems far too soon. Once the series result is determined, I get that. But 3 out of 4 at home, with ABDV to return doesn't seem like time to pull up stumps.

Well, hats off to the Safrican team for performing so well over a long period of time during these quotas.
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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Paddles » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:03 am

bolero wrote:Zondo really looks like a quota player, sorry to say.


Worse than Bavuma?

Worse than Berhadein?

How poor are we talking?
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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby bolero » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:14 am

Quite poor,actually. See Zondos strike rate.

He was struggling to.put the ball away when you are chasing 300 plus.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Tinsel » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:37 am

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Are you excited about Tim Seifert and Chapman for Next 3 games in NZ .?
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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Paddles » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:11 am

Tinsel wrote:Paddles
Are you excited about Tim Seifert and Chapman for Next 3 games in NZ .?


Not particularly, no.

Chapman has some skills, some serious talent, and could come off on any given day. I hope that he does. He really is auditioning for an ODI spot of Nicholls as well. But between all that, he makes some poor decisions in t20 which he doesn't seem to replicate as much in 50 over cricket cos his average there is very very healthy. He is fairly small guy, but he gets a lot of power out of hip, but some bigger boundaries oft see him caught. So he needs to learn to adjust end by end. He has an engineering degree so he is surely smart enough to work this out on his own.

With Seifert, NZ is now nearing last chance saloon after having tried Watling, Ronchi, Latham, Phillips and Blundell in a little over a year in limited overs cricket. 3 in 4 games now. And while he had a very good t20 smash, he will be playing out of position and his domestic stats are rather too low for me to get too excited about. He is also playing out of position.

I'd settle for a keeper bat who is serviceable in the team. I'm not getting excited by any "next Gilchrists" or "next Dhoni's" because there doesn't appear to be any around in NZC at the moment.
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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Leo » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:50 am

Congrats India.
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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Going South » Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:03 pm

rohit sharma saga continues.

what a. voodoo bad luck he carry.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Going South » Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:17 pm

bullshit D/L system. BCCI got robbed off a win. no
way i. hell staffers can win this had they played full 50 overs with 5 wickets down.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Paddles » Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:32 am

Going South wrote:bullshit D/L system. BCCI got robbed off a win. no
way i. hell staffers can win this had they played full 50 overs with 5 wickets down.


Safrica were only 1 wicket down, after 7.2 overs, which was the last ball bowled before the rain.

Rain does typically favour the chasing team, but look where India really messed up besides not batting second after winning the toss.

India were 1/178 after 31 overs - they get only 111 runs off the next 19 overs. All batsmen to bat then went at under a run a ball after Kohli 75(83) and Dhawan 109 (105) built a great platform to launch from.

Rahane 8(13)
Iyer 18(21)
Dhoni 42*(43)
Pandya 9(13)
Kumar 5(7)

South Africa lost 22 overs, 132 balls, from which 88 runs was deducted. That is a rpo of just 4 runs an over. 202 in 28 overs is a rpo of over 7, which Safrica was already behind on after 7.2 overs, for an Indian score at less than 6.

The batsmen, Chahal, Yadav, and Pandya just did not give Kumar and Bumrah anything to work with at the end. And if rain is on the forecast, look to bat second when winning the toss.

I seriously do not understand what Dhoni is doing at times in limited overs games now for a number of years with his far too often "go slow". He will remain an ODI legend, but these types of batting scores do give support to accusations of selfish average padding or just not being as good as his rated reputation on raw stats claims to be.

He is one of the slickest glovemen I have ever watched, and obviously a very good batsman in limited overs, but is he playing overs 35/40 to 50 right? I personally think he is leaving it too late to launch an attack and going too "deep" as he puts it, too often.
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