South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Who would you want to see win?

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby louie_db9 » Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:16 am

Pujara run out again he should be shot

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby louie_db9 » Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:16 am

Tail starts now with Rohit

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby Going South » Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:20 am

that’s a jinx post by raja. not many get his dark humor. lol.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby Going South » Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:54 am

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby Leo » Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:18 am

Congratulations South Africa :up:
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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby louie_db9 » Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:38 am

Shame that this 'competitive' series will be a whitewash while the Ashes wasn't.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby Katto » Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:52 am

louie_db9 wrote:Shame that this 'competitive' series will be a whitewash while the Ashes wasn't.

:lol:

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby Paddles » Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:04 am

Well Safrica just need to beat Straya home now to be the People's #1.

Tough time for Indian cricket fans who were hoping for more. Its not your team's time as yet. But it may well be in the future.
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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby bolero » Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:10 am

Thats it. The awful batting and dropped catches seals the series.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby bolero » Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:31 am

Ironically people in India were saying Indian bowlers cant pick 20 South African wickets abroad. That happened in both the tests.

But the much touted batting collapsed.

Pujara's brain fart getting run out in both the innings just exemplifies the state of mind.

But credit to be given where it is due. Indian bowling was very good in patches, South African bowling firepower was phenomenal.

The catching from India though was atrocious, if India is having a fielding coach fire him ASAP. And the batting coach, Sanjay Bangar too along with him. The dropped catches in both innings put together cost India at least 120 runs.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby raja » Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:45 am

I watched the full Rohit innings.
Don't get carried away by his 47 - it was unconvincing.
Some easy runs off Maharaj and a Philander bowling at 128.
As a specialist batsman, this guy is a disgrace against high-quality bowling.
Maybe a talented disgrace, but a disgrace nevertheless.

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Postby Going South » Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:53 am

what an ass to whopping humiliation to BCCI rockstars !!! ROFL. No lessons learned yet again.

Mr. Ravi sastry you better start eating your words. Your fingering with team selections cost this match. You contribute NOTHING and you are an excess baggage for this tour. This is NOT your cup of tea. You better stick to IPL stuffed suit role to shout “are you ready xxx city” and reading list of sponser names at the end of day’s play. pssst your commentary sucks, don’t bother.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby Aneesmoha » Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:05 pm

South African cricket fans were waiting for this moment for the past 3 years. However the pitches have been competitive compared to what India dished out when SA was there.

SA Take aways from the match.

Are Amla's eyes giving out on him?

The lower middle order is very weak at the moment. QDK needs to get his mojo back before Aus get here. Makram may not make it to Wanderers so Bring in Bavuma or De Bruin and have QdK open the batting (only if SA bat first) in the 1st innings.

SA's young fast bowling stock looks very promising.

Maharaj didn't do much on a pitch that offered him assistance. This is worrying. Maybe for Wanderers rest Maharaj and bring in Morris/Andile. Lengthens the batting and gives you another quick on probably the quickest track in the country.


Take aways India.

Kohli played well.

In short bursts and periods the Indian quicks had this game by the scruff of the neck but could not hold it.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby Aneesmoha » Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:09 pm

Paddles wrote:
raja wrote:There's so much money in cricket in India now, it shows in the vastly improved standards of batting and bowling.
But if you keep dropping chances, you're going to always struggle against a good team.
I hope somebody shows Kohli and the entire team a video of all the dropped chances - not once, but again and again.
It needs to sink in.
For a captain who is otherwise such a perfectionist, it's surprising that Kohli hasn't raised catching standards in the side.


Vastly improved batting? VVS, Sachin, Dravid, Sehwag, Gambhir and Ganguly been vastly improved upon?


To be fair that batting line up didn't do much better in SA

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby raja » Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:11 pm

Going South wrote:what an ass to whopping humiliation to BCCI rockstars !!! ROFL. No lessons learned yet again.

Mr. Ravi sastry you better start eating your words. Your fingering with team selections cost this match. You contribute NOTHING and you are an excess baggage for this tour. This is NOT your cup of tea. You better stick to IPL stuffed suit role to shout “are you ready xxx city” and reading list of sponser names at the end of day’s play. pssst your commentary sucks, don’t bother.

:lmao:
Hey, one good thing if he is coach, is that he is not in the commentary box, or in the presentation ceremony. :grin:

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby Aneesmoha » Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:13 pm

Sunil on commentary is rather harsh on the Indian Batsmen don't you think?Or is it just his frustration because he knows how much better this team is at home?

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby Paddles » Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:49 pm

Aneesmoha wrote:Sunil on commentary is rather harsh on the Indian Batsmen don't you think?Or is it just his frustration because he knows how much better this team is at home?


Gavaskar made his name and reputation in scoring runs in England in the 1970s. A fair effort that. I'm sure he'd like to see more Indian batsmen walk in his footsteps in lively seam (and swing) conditions with good carry.
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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby Aneesmoha » Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:17 pm

Paddles wrote:
Aneesmoha wrote:Sunil on commentary is rather harsh on the Indian Batsmen don't you think?Or is it just his frustration because he knows how much better this team is at home?


Gavaskar made his name and reputation in scoring runs in England in the 1970s. A fair effort that. I'm sure he'd like to see more Indian batsmen walk in his footsteps in lively seam (and swing) conditions with good carry.


Just curious as to how many Indian players get the opportunity to go play county cricket?

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby Aneesmoha » Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:20 pm

What are the chances of Pujara being dropped for Rahane in the next test.

Also expect SA to slack off during the dead rubber.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby raja » Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:30 pm

Aneesmoha wrote:Sunil on commentary is rather harsh on the Indian Batsmen don't you think?Or is it just his frustration because he knows how much better this team is at home?

Well, he has very high standards, as most ex-players who've reached the top in their time, often do.

This is nothing. Have you ever listened to Johan Cruyff on commentary for Dutch TV? He had VERY high standards, so used to be VERY critical of every mistake by every player. So much so that during a World Cup tournament (I think it was 1998, maybe I am wrong), he was expressly told midway through the tournament to tone it down because he was demoralising the players. He promptly toned it down. :-)

Gavaskar is effusive in praise if a player does do well - so it sort of balances out.
Cruyff was even somewhat grudging in his praise - he'd say stuff like "yes, that wasn't too bad a move". Maybe because in his head, it was the normal thing to do, so what's the big fuss about? :-)

Must say he changed a lot later. I've seen a lot of matches where he commentated - he had definitely toned it down later. Maybe he realised others on the football field were slightly more mortal. :-)

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby Paddles » Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:01 pm

Aneesmoha wrote:
Paddles wrote:
Gavaskar made his name and reputation in scoring runs in England in the 1970s. A fair effort that. I'm sure he'd like to see more Indian batsmen walk in his footsteps in lively seam (and swing) conditions with good carry.


Just curious as to how many Indian players get the opportunity to go play county cricket?


The countys don't exclude them. Just Indian players in recent times like IPL and domestic rupees more. Might be wise for Pujara to do some county cricket time.

Didn't someone high profile in India sign on for some county cricket recently? (Edit) Yups it was Ashwin. Arguably already paying dividends with his wickets in Safrica.

But I was referring to Sunny's test exploits in England, not county.

But all these t20 leagues have given NZ players much increased access to County cricket as less intl stars head to England for white and 50 over cricket.
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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby raja » Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:26 pm

Pujara played a few games of county cricket last season.
He is anyway not part of any IPL squad.

But he didn't do particularly well.

I remember reading somewhere that Kohli too is keen to play county cricket.
Just don't know how he will be able to fit that in. This year, apart from the IPL, he's got BCCI's tour of England coming up.
A proper stint of county cricket before that would've been useful.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby Katto » Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:00 pm

Aneesmoha wrote:South African cricket fans were waiting for this moment for the past 3 years. However the pitches have been competitive compared to what India dished out when SA was there.

SA Take aways from the match.

Are Amla's eyes giving out on him?

The lower middle order is very weak at the moment. QDK needs to get his mojo back before Aus get here. Makram may not make it to Wanderers so Bring in Bavuma or De Bruin and have QdK open the batting (only if SA bat first) in the 1st innings.

SA's young fast bowling stock looks very promising.

Maharaj didn't do much on a pitch that offered him assistance. This is worrying. Maybe for Wanderers rest Maharaj and bring in Morris/Andile. Lengthens the batting and gives you another quick on probably the quickest track in the country.


Take aways India.

Kohli played well.

In short bursts and periods the Indian quicks had this game by the scruff of the neck but could not hold it.


South Africa's young fast bowling stock looks scary.
Rankings might not say it, but they are the best side in the world.

Australia will do well to avoid another whitewash, a lot will depend on the pitches we get.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby raja » Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:59 pm

Yes, SA quicks are the best right now.
BCCI flat track bullies have nowhere to hide, as Rabada and co are ripping them apart.

Did you guys see Kohli's post-match press conference? He was very aggressive.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby raja » Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:01 pm

LOL!

Just the other day Kapil was saying Pandya is better than him. :-)

http://www.news18.com/cricketnext/news/ ... 35037.html

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Postby raja » Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:02 pm

Let's not forget that had Pandya been caught by Elgar when he was 15 (he went on to gt 93), he'd have had a pretty ordinary series too.
That 93 makes it look like he's done ok this series.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby Aneesmoha » Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:07 pm

raja wrote:Yes, SA quicks are the best right now.
BCCI flat track bullies have nowhere to hide, as Rabada and co are ripping them apart.

Did you guys see Kohli's post-match press conference? He was very aggressive.


I love the bit where he asked how many times was SA close to winning in India. He obviously forgot that before that tour SA were unbeaten (series wise) on tour for 7
Years and that included two tours of India.

And to be quite honest the pitches that India have gotten in SA have been a lot more even than what SA got in India.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby Aneesmoha » Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:13 pm

Katto wrote:
Aneesmoha wrote:South African cricket fans were waiting for this moment for the past 3 years. However the pitches have been competitive compared to what India dished out when SA was there.

SA Take aways from the match.

Are Amla's eyes giving out on him?

The lower middle order is very weak at the moment. QDK needs to get his mojo back before Aus get here. Makram may not make it to Wanderers so Bring in Bavuma or De Bruin and have QdK open the batting (only if SA bat first) in the 1st innings.

SA's young fast bowling stock looks very promising.

Maharaj didn't do much on a pitch that offered him assistance. This is worrying. Maybe for Wanderers rest Maharaj and bring in Morris/Andile. Lengthens the batting and gives you another quick on probably the quickest track in the country.


Take aways India.

Kohli played well.

In short bursts and periods the Indian quicks had this game by the scruff of the neck but could not hold it.


South Africa's young fast bowling stock looks scary.
Rankings might not say it, but they are the best side in the world.

Australia will do well to avoid another whitewash, a lot will depend on the pitches we get.


Let's not get to hastey. Australia always does very well in SA. Only critism I might have of the Aussies is that they are playing on roads at the moment. And that is not gona help them if they end up getting a pitch like Cape Town. They do have the fire power in their bowling line up to do damage though.
Problem for SA is who to drop for Steyn? Morkel or Ngidi.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby Verity » Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:38 pm

What a shit house showing, both games lowish totals to win and India folded like sacks of shit both times, so disappointing, I thought India had a decent side going, just home town bully’s it would seem.
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Postby Aneesmoha » Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:41 pm

I wonder if SA will rotate some guys in to rest certain players? Abv to sit out for De Bruyn and rest Markram for Bavuma, Morkel for Olivier and give Morne Van Wyk a chance in home conditions. Give Rabada the responsibility of leading the attack. See what the young blood can do.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby Aneesmoha » Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:45 pm

Verity wrote:What a shit house showing, both games lowish totals to win and India folded like sacks of shit both times, so disappointing, I thought India had a decent side going, just home town bully’s it would seem.


Cosidering that all the hype around this Indian team jas been built up around what they can do in thier home conditions. And they have beaten everyone that wemt there over the last 3 years.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby Yorkshire » Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:29 am

Verity wrote:What a shit house showing, both games lowish totals to win and India folded like sacks of shit both times, so disappointing, I thought India had a decent side going, just home town bully’s it would seem.



Your teams turn next with 4 Test in SOA

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Yorkshire wrote:
Verity wrote:What a shit house showing, both games lowish totals to win and India folded like sacks of shit both times, so disappointing, I thought India had a decent side going, just home town bully’s it would seem.



Your teams turn next with 4 Test in SOA


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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby bolero » Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:11 am

Kohli fires back at reporter's question

Captain Virat Kohli has delivered a strong response to a journalist who questioned India's selection strategy, but conceded his team "need to be hard on ourselves" after their streak of nine successive series wins ended in South Africa.

India were blown away by debutant Lungi Ngidi on the fifth day of the second Test in Centurion, the 21-year-old taking 6-39 as South Africa clinched the three-match series with a 135-run win.

In a typically forthright press conference, Kohli acknowledged that the Proteas had outplayed his side on a slow pitch that took some turn from the opening day of the match.

"These conditions are something we are used to," he said. "South Africa collectively were a much better team than us.

"We need to ask ourselves if we are giving 120 percent for the team every time we play a ball, bowl a ball or field a ball.

"As a team we will definitely lay out these things in the open and ask the guys to be honest about what they were thinking about at particular stages of the game."

While not shirking any responsibility for the loss, Kohli hit back at a journalist who suggested constantly changing the playing XI had contributed to the defeat.

India's selectors have consistently made changes to their side during their recent winning run; with Ajinkya Rahane dropped for the first two Tests against South Africa, every member of the touring party except rookie allrounder Hardik Pandya has been dropped at least once under Kohli's leadership.

When it was suggested that the inconsistent selection was a reason for their series loss, Kohli was quick to point out that the same strategy had held them in good stead during their streak of nine consecutive series wins.

And he added his side has been far more competitive in the first two Tests than South Africa had been on their 2015 tour of India.

BELOW IS A PARTIAL TRANSCRIPT OF KOHLI'S POST-MATCH PRESS CONFERENCE

REPORTER: In over 30 Tests that you have been captain, you have changed your starting line-up in each and every Test you have played. I think you would know that to win Test matches you need a lot of consistency, and you have been lacking that part. What would you put that down to, and how would you say that you will continue changing your team and still expect different results?

KOHLI: How many Test matches have we won out of 30?

REPORTER: In how many have you changed the starting line-up?

KOHLI: How many have we won? How many have we won?

REPORTER: In how many have you changed the line-up?

KOHLI: Twenty-one wins. Two losses. How many draws?

REPORTER: How many in India?

KOHLI: Doesn't matter. Wherever we play, we try to do our best. I’m here to answer your questions, not to fight with you.

REPORTER: Do you still believe you’re the best side in the world?

KOHLI: Look, we have to believe that we are the best side. Even when we came here, if you don’t have the belief that you can win the series here, there is no point coming here. We have not come here just to participate. And answering your question, sir, how many times did South Africa come into the game in India? Come close to winning games in India? Can you count?

REPORTER: That’s because of the spinning pitches.

KOHLI: But we are not complaining about Cape Town either. The game was finished in three days, one was a washout. So look, we are not complaining about pitches, we are not complaining about conditions. We have come here to play. As I said, we have had equal opportunities to win in both games, and that’s the positive we can take out of it, but I’m not sitting here comforting my guys. So I don’t know what you are listening to, but I’m asking everyone to be hard on themselves.

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/virat-kohli-press-conference-india-south-africa-highlights-selection-reporter/2018-01-18

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby bolero » Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:14 am

Kohli has to stop his arrogant thuggery of the media encouraged by his yes man thug Shastri.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby Paddles » Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:55 am

Yeah, if Kohli wants the responsibility of the captain, coach and selector roles, and he made clear in axing Kumble that he does, then he is going face tricky questions in defeat that his fellow captains in this generation do not face.

It would pay him to be more media savvy than abrasive, because the mainstream seem to celebrate the on and off field distinction, and even if not, off the field people typically want charisma displayed by their sporting leaders and heroes. Now there's a million different ways to be charismatic, but this press conference, Virat did not display one.

All he had to say was that there were some tricky selections, but he selected who he believed were the best XI to win the game. That Kumar and Rahane are fine players, but so too are both Sharma's and Bumrah, and that he made the decision without the benefit of hindsight.

Then the focus can be on the team selection for the next game, not this one. As he has already said he was unhappy with the batting and the fielding of the team as a whole.

As for consistency of selection, I myself have no issues with captains taking a horses for courses approach, especially between 1 or 2 spinner changes, as well as the #6 all rounder or batsman issues, but in general as well. I don't think that the same XI is necessarily the best XI for all pitches and opposition. I see the benefits to consistent selection, but I prefer tailored made selections and believe that they are even more beneficial.

That said, and sharing a belief in Virat's apparent philosophy,l I would have reached a different conclusion and had Rahane in for Rohit. And I don't really get Bumrah over Kumar at this stage of their careers. I do get giving Bumrah a go but not at Kumar's expense.

Faf was brilliant in the press conference. He is becoming a very good orator and handler of interviews. He is rather charasmatic and articulate these days.

And you're probably right in my opinion Bolero, I'm not sure Ravi Shastri is the best media coach for Virat.
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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby bolero » Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:20 am

Paddles, basically Anil Kumble was a taskmaster and no nonsense man, Shastri was preferred by Kohli and team because he is compliant and will not raise his voice.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby Paddles » Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:31 am

bolero wrote:Paddles, basically Anil Kumble was a taskmaster and no nonsense man, Shastri was preferred by Kohli and team because he is compliant and will not raise his voice.


It really doesn't matter what type of personality Kumble has, he wanted to perform his role as he saw fit, and Kohli wanted to do his role for him. When they had differences of opinion, it came to a head. I'm pretty sure Kohli is possible of being a task master and a no nonsense guy himself. But Kohli wants the on field role of captain, and the off field roles of coach and selector. All that matters is that Kohli wants the final say in the whole show, and Shastri is a nice appointment that allows that for him, has stated as much in public, and supports him without impediment or hesitation. Kumble wasn't, so he was axed. Shastri sees himself less of a coach, and more of a team companion.

Western captains used to have Kohli levels of influence, I think of Douglas Jardine and Walter Hadlee immediately. They don't these days. Gooch was getting fairly close I believe with his disciplined focus on fitness regimes and training, but not to selection and Gower n co were still forced upon him often. In fact the reports on him are probably more that he sought to bring in professionalism and a training ethos that wasn't prevalent till then in the Botham era England side.

In recent times, I'm guessing only Imran held this much sway (after a failed Javed coup by the selectors). Not even Ganguly I don't believe was this autonomous. His era was happy to keep sacking coaches tho. But Imran sure knew and still knows how to work the media. Consummate politician.
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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby bolero » Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:25 am

I am most disappointed with Pujara. Getting run out both times (brain fade) after being criticised (indirectly) by Kohli for lack of intent is not right.

Panicking and running non existing singles and threes is not ' intent'.

Pujara looked most assured in the second innings of the first test (I think he played out one whole session), other than that he has been disappointing.

Being technically the best batsman in the Indian side, getting run out on 0 and 19 is criminal.

He is currently under fear of being dropped by Kohli for lack of 'intent'. That is showing in his panicked running between wickets.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby bolero » Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:26 am

Paddles wrote:
bolero wrote:Paddles, basically Anil Kumble was a taskmaster and no nonsense man, Shastri was preferred by Kohli and team because he is compliant and will not raise his voice.


It really doesn't matter what type of personality Kumble has, he wanted to perform his role as he saw fit, and Kohli wanted to do his role for him. When they had differences of opinion, it came to a head. I'm pretty sure Kohli is possible of being a task master and a no nonsense guy himself. But Kohli wants the on field role of captain, and the off field roles of coach and selector. All that matters is that Kohli wants the final say in the whole show, and Shastri is a nice appointment that allows that for him, has stated as much in public, and supports him without impediment or hesitation. Kumble wasn't, so he was axed. Shastri sees himself less of a coach, and more of a team companion.

Western captains used to have Kohli levels of influence, I think of Douglas Jardine and Walter Hadlee immediately. They don't these days. Gooch was getting fairly close I believe with his disciplined focus on fitness regimes and training, but not to selection and Gower n co were still forced upon him often. In fact the reports on him are probably more that he sought to bring in professionalism and a training ethos that wasn't prevalent till then in the Botham era England side.

In recent times, I'm guessing only Imran held this much sway (after a failed Javed coup by the selectors). Not even Ganguly I don't believe was this autonomous. His era was happy to keep sacking coaches tho. But Imran sure knew and still knows how to work the media. Consummate politician.


True. Kohli wants total domination.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby raja » Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:34 am

I think it all starts with the fact that BCCI won so many matches in the last couple of years (in various formats) that Kohli is not even probably used to criticism anymore at press conferences. Usually it's innocuous questions, maybe just the odd probing one, which is easily deflected.

When you're winning, and on a roll, the media also plays along, extols you to the stars.
You have to have read Indian media for the last 12 months to see how hagiographic they have been about Kohli.
He could just do no wrong.

And now suddenly he's being asked this question about chopping-and-changing.
Personally, I think there's nothing wrong with chopping-and-changing, as you've got decent bench strength, and want to test out different options. This "play the same team, for consistency" doesn't mean much to me, unless you've got poor bench players, so the XI picked select themselves.

But anyway, back to the presser, the reporter asked that question - Kohli could've politely said "What is chopping-and-changing for you, is actually a reflection of our bench strength now. We have several players for every position and role now, so we can afford to have tailormade picks for each game. Yes, we don't always get every pick right, but hindsight is 20/20".

Instead he chose to get all upset. Unnecessary.

In such situations, so soon after a defeat, it helps to admit the presser is going to be a tough one - and just bide your time till it is over. Yes, guys are going to ask difficult questions, let them. Be humble, say "we were completely outplayed. SA were just magnificent etc". The presser will get over without anything substantive in it, and will be forgotten in 5 minutes. :-)

You could see Kohli was himself hurting. He's clearly very competitive - and am sure would have not let his team-mates off lightly. He's a no-nonsense guy.

But you've got to learn how to take the brickbats with the bouquets.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby raja » Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:39 am

Pujara was batting really well in the second innings.
Looked good for a long stay at the crease.
That run-out was most unnecessary.
But then there was probably a 10-15% chance of it happening.
The throw, and Qdk's clinical finishing...bad luck for Pujara.
But yes, you can ask the question - was there a need to run 3 at all, in that match situation?

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Postby Aneesmoha » Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:08 am

Kohli reminds me of a young Greame Smith. Especially when he was on his first tour of Aus as Captain.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby Katto » Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:46 am

They were dumb questions to be fair

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby raja » Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:24 am

Katto wrote:They were dumb questions to be fair

Agree.
Maybe it was the dumbness of the questions that got to Kohli. :lmao:

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby Paddles » Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:39 am

raja wrote:
Katto wrote:They were dumb questions to be fair

Agree.
Maybe it was the dumbness of the questions that got to Kohli. :lmao:


Poorly articulated, but asking about Rahane and Kumar's omission from selection was not dumb. Trite broader issues and debate maybe. But journo's want a specific comment to fill their articles.
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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

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How much worse is it to lose because of lack of application? Three run-outs, soft shots…

At the end of the day, one team has to lose. As a team you always try to win. You can accept defeat but not the way we played. The way we let the advantage slip out of our hand, that is not acceptable from a team’s point of view. So many soft dismissals in one match hurt a lot.

Because you work so hard, you prepare for a match, you get into good situations, shift the game towards you, and then the momentum shifts because of these mistakes. That feels very bad as a team.

Individuals have to sit and reflect on these things themselves. They do it. I am not saying they don’t reflect on it, but we have repeated these mistakes in both matches. There have been many soft dismissals, which as a team are not acceptable.

Did it seem to you that you were the only one with intent?

We have not come here to play the way we have done. That is something that we need to definitely speak about. We need to be hard on ourselves. We need to ask ourselves if we are giving 120% for the team every time we bowl a ball or play a ball or field a ball. That is something individuals need to reflect on themselves, but as a team we are definitely going to lay out these things in the open.

We will ask the guys to be honest about what they were feeling at particular stages in the game. Unless you speak about it and lay it out in front of everyone, there is very little chance of improving. The mistakes that we made have been really about not putting attention to detail at important stages of the game. It is something we definitely need to take into account and sit down and discuss as a team.


Some batsmen in this team have not performed outside Asia. Is there a temptation to sit down with the A-team coach to look at options outside this group?

We will have to sit down and discuss those things. Look, it doesn’t feel nice that you come out and you feel good as a team and then you are not able to execute what you want to. It almost has to be a madness to be able to win away from home. And you have to live that every minute, every day of being on tour.

As I said it is a very individual thing but we need to discuss this as a team for sure. I can’t speak on behalf of selectors as to what they are thinking. Obviously the selectors will come into the conversation as well when we are looking at planning for future tours also because we have a lot of cricket away from home. This was not the only tour. We have to identify all the areas that need improvement. And accordingly act on those. Obviously the selectors are going to be a big part of that conversation.

You arrived with the right resources to compete in South Africa. Having had too many players – did it affect selecting the XI?

Sorry I didn’t understand you.

You came with the right resources: Three openers, two wicketkeepers, middle-order options. When it came to picking a XI, did it come to difference of thoughts? Maybe Rahane could have played or Rohit could have played...

Look when something doesn’t work, obviously it’s going to be spoken against. We are pretty used to that. We as a team don’t think of what the opinion going around is, and I’ve clarified that before also. There are many people that are involved in making a decision for the playing XI. A lot was spoken about Bhuvi as well but Shami performed in this game, so now no one is talking about that.

So you know it’s all about whoever goes out on the field and performs. We obviously look at the conditions that we are playing in and we decide as a management group and myself sitting together that what is the best XI that we can take on the field. And then we don’t sit back and think, ‘Oh, we could have done that or we should have done that.’ You make one decision and you back it. It’s always that scenario.


Last couple of years playing in subcontinent conditions, you’ve got a formula to excel on pitches like these. Fast bowlers from both teams have said this is more like a subcontinent pitch. How much does this loss hurt that despite having that formula you could perhaps not get the best XI out and win this match?

What’s the best XI?

The one that would have been able to win this match. Was it your best XI?

But if we had won this, was this the best XI?

Again...It’s a pitch that was much more subcontinental...

I’m saying that we don’t decide XI according to the results.

My question was about the pitch...

But you’re saying... you’re telling me we could have played the best XI. So you tell me the best XI and we’ll play that. I’m saying the loss obviously hurts. But you make one decision and you back it. We certainly don’t sit here and say, ‘Oh, if you fail in one game you are not good enough to be at this level, or once the team loses...’

Didn’t we lose in India? We had the best XI there. Whoever plays should be good enough to go out there and do the job for the team. That’s why we’ve got such a big squad. Because we believe in their abilities and they are good enough to be at this level but you need to do that collectively as a team.

You can’t pinpoint and say this is the best XI. We played with teams before that have looked really strong and have lost as well. So, I certainly don’t bend towards that opinion at all.


A word on the partnerships... or perhaps the lack of them which have contributed to the loss...

Yeah, I would point out the lack of it. I wouldn’t point out the partnerships... because partnerships of 60s and 70s are not good enough to win Test matches. We’ve seen that in the past as well and we’ve identified that and, you know, you need guys to put their heads down when the partnerships has gone to 60 and 70 and try to make it into 100 or 150 to give the team the best chance of winning a Test match or being in a solid position.

Similarly, when you are batting as well, you want to make big hundreds and not get out so that the team can benefit from that. So, it’s the same mindset that you take into partnerships as well. When we did well in Australia, we got 450 runs every first innings but our partnerships were massive. That is something we haven’t repeated here.

And as I said in the presentation as well, South Africa did that better than us. They did not have many partnerships, but whatever they had, one big partnership was always there and that was the key to them consolidating those situations and they deserved to win the series.

In hindsight, do you think you should have come early here to prepare for the series?

See, I don’t believe in that. We had a result in three days in Cape Town and we had no complaints and we really enjoyed the pitch we played on because we had an equal chance of winning the game there. We were not good enough to do that, that’s a different thing but it wasn’t like we were set a total, the team had declared and we were outplayed. We had opportunities in both the games, that’s probably the smallest positive that we can think of at this moment.

Look, I am not going to sit here and try to comfort anyone, we need to be hard on ourselves if we need to do special things. We need to sit down and ask ourselves whether we are giving enough every time that we go out on the field. We should be reflecting on all our decision-making and all the actions that we have made in this game and the previous game and act upon them.

A lot of overseas careers are on the line when you go to the Wanderers because they’ve got good records in India but not around the world?

Look, everyone wants to perform everywhere. I don’t know whether people think about those things too early or... because when we came here last time we batted well. This time around we haven’t batted well as a unit. We bowled well, we didn’t bowl as well last time but this time we have bowled better.

But what’s annoying is that it hasn’t come together at one time which obviously South Africa has done and that’s how you win Test matches. That’s the most hurtful thing that both skills are not coming together at the right time, including fielding. They were far superior than us in the field. All three things have come together well in tough situations to be able to win Test matches and series which we have failed.


Looking at the pitch here, there was turn and it was on the slower side. Would you look back at this as an opportunity lost because the conditions here were similar to what we get at home? We (India) should have ideally beaten South Africa here.

Well, we were quite disappointed in Cape Town as well, there was an opportunity to win also. Look, Test cricket, it doesn’t matter where you are playing. Teams have beaten us also at home at times but these conditions are something that we are used to playing at and we should have certainly done better than what have.

Having said that it’s about which team plays collectively better and as I mentioned quite a few times already that South Africa collectively were a much better team than us regardless of pitches we played on. Their bowlers put relentless pressure on us as a batting unit, and their batsmen as well, after losing a few wickets, they would string in a partnership. They showed more character than us.

Don’t you feel there is over-dependence on you in this line-up?

I don’t think so. There are 11 guys in the field, I try to do my best and so does everyone else. I certainly don’t think like that. No one in the change room thinks like that. Sometimes another batsman plays through the innings and you feel like, you are too dependent on him. Anyone can have a day where they can bat through the innings but that doesn’t mean that they are too dependent on that particular player.

Everyone has contributed for the team at different times – you can’t win games of cricket because of one or two people. Everyone has done well in the past and that’s why we have done well. It just hasn’t been able to come well together here. That’s the reason why we haven’t able to win these games.

You were talking about it not coming together well – has that maybe been because of the chopping and changing of selection? In over 30 Tests that you have been captain, you have changed your starting line-up in each and every Test you have played. I think you would know that to win Test matches you need a lot of consistency, and you have been lacking that part. What would you put that down to, and how would you say that you will continue changing your team and still expect different results?

How many Test matches have we won out of 34?

In how many have you changed the XI?

How many have we won?

In how many have you changed the XI?

How many have we won? 21 wins. Two losses. How many draws?

How many in India?

Does it matter? Wherever we play, we try to do our best.

Media manager: Next question.

I’m here to answer your questions, not to fight with you.

In the 1990s, the situation was that in difficult situations only Sachin Tendulkar made India win matches. Is it the same now, that only Virat Kohli makes the team win in difficult situations? And in very difficult situations no one else can stand for the team.

Like I said before, we don’t believe in this at all. We look to play as a team, and our effort is that everyone contributes in the match. But everytime that’s not possible. But if it repeats too often, then we’ll have to identify that and improve on that. Everyone doesn’t get to play for the country. We are getting that opportunity and it should be an honour and privilege for us. And we have to put in our maximum effort and execute our plans properly on the field. Everyone’s mindset is that we should all contribute equally for the team.

There’s a lot of talk of India doing well in India but not overseas. Do you still believe you’re the best side in the world?

Look, we have to believe that we are the best side. Even when we came here, if you don’t have the belief that you can win the series here, there is no point coming here. We have not come here just to participate. And answering your question, sir, how many times did South Africa come into the game in India? Come close to winning games in India? Can you count?

That’s because the pitches...

But we are not complaining about Cape Town either. The game was finished in three days, one was a washout. So look, we are not complaining about pitches, we are not complaining about conditions. We have come here to play. As I said, we have had equal opportunities to win in both games, and that’s the positive we can take out of it, but I’m not sitting here comforting my guys. So I don’t know what you are listening to, but I’m asking everyone to be hard on themselves.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby bolero » Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:42 am

Fanie De Villiers calls Shami India's best test bowler.

He was surprised by Bhuvis exclusion and criticized Indian batting and lack of practice matches.

Whatever he has said is exactly my opinion.We share similar thoughts.

Fanie was one of my favourite bowlers when he played.