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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby Katto » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:03 am

erm but lets disregard the fact its a draw pitch

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby Paddles » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:04 am

baggygreenmania wrote:Unbelievable Mike.


Haha.

I like and rate Haze myself but Mike's Haze critique's are becomming a forum highlight for me.
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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby Paddles » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:13 am

Cummins with a good opportunity to get some more tail enders here.

I hope Straya stick with this guy instead of Pattinson or NCN :twisted:
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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby Mick180461 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:15 am

MikeR68 wrote:
baggygreenmania wrote:Hazlewood could have had two that over.. beat Cook with a pearler and saw one fly between keeper and skipper.


Well Hazlewood has bowled with a lot of luck this innings, 2 LBW's with inside edges. Given out by umpire, no review.....Baggers can you say "match fixing". Currently Hazlewood should only have 0/75 but he has had a lot of luck. I am starting to think Starc's bowling contributes a lot to the wickets of Hazlewood, rather than the other way around as some suggest.

Would you hate Hazlewood as much if Border had succeeded in getting him to move to Brisbane when he was younger.

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby MikeR68 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:16 am

baggygreenmania wrote:Unbelievable Mike.


Totally agree Baggers, once, accidents happen, but twice in one innings, unbelievable Baggers. I think there may be a quiet enquiry after the test.

Glad you're enjoying Paddles, but I am just highlighting facts, I don't make this stuff up!

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby bolero » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:21 am

My personal view when Aussies played India. Always felt Hazlewood fed on the pressure created by Johnson / Starc and Cummins. Batsmen felt they could get a breather against Hazlewood and were taken by surprise by his immaculate line and length and lost their wickets. In this series, Hazlewood has gone one step further, he has been the best Aussie pace bowler in the series. Starc looked half fit yet picked wickets, Cummins was good but I have seen him bowling better.

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby bolero » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:22 am

I liked Nathan Coulter Nile a lot, what happened to him ?

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:28 am

Gotta say this short pitched barrage on Broad is counterproductive. Expect Stu is happy to top edge balls to the boundary.
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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:31 am

bolero wrote:My personal view when Aussies played India. Always felt Hazlewood fed on the pressure created by Johnson / Starc and Cummins. Batsmen felt they could get a breather against Hazlewood and were taken by surprise by his immaculate line and length and lost their wickets. In this series, Hazlewood has gone one step further, he has been the best Aussie pace bowler in the series. Starc looked half fit yet picked wickets, Cummins was good but I have seen him bowling better.

Agree bolero and so do most of the Nine comms. Mike just loves bagging Hazlewood. Where were you Mike when he took that possible match winning 5 for in Perth.

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby Paddles » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:33 am

bolero wrote:I liked Nathan Coulter Nile a lot, what happened to him ?


Aggravated stress fractures from trying to bowl faster than he ought. But NCN has a natural ability to swing but the selectors wanted more pace. So he obliged. He's pretty useful.
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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:35 am

Paddles wrote:
bolero wrote:I liked Nathan Coulter Nile a lot, what happened to him ?


Aggravated stress fractures from trying to bowl faster than he ought. But NCN has a natural ability to swing but the selectors wanted more pace. So he obliged.
Selectors have a lot to answer for with this plethora of our more mature quicks going down with back fractures .

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby Paddles » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:36 am

baggygreenmania wrote:
bolero wrote:My personal view when Aussies played India. Always felt Hazlewood fed on the pressure created by Johnson / Starc and Cummins. Batsmen felt they could get a breather against Hazlewood and were taken by surprise by his immaculate line and length and lost their wickets. In this series, Hazlewood has gone one step further, he has been the best Aussie pace bowler in the series. Starc looked half fit yet picked wickets, Cummins was good but I have seen him bowling better.

Agree bolero and so do most of the Nine comms. Mike just loves bagging Hazlewood. Where were you Mike when he took that possible match winning 5 for in Perth.


I remember NZ beating Johnson into retirement but Haze creating match winning pressure in Adelaide and back in NZ (that Bird downhill skiid off in the latter).
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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby Paddles » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:38 am

baggygreenmania wrote:
Paddles wrote:
Aggravated stress fractures from trying to bowl faster than he ought. But NCN has a natural ability to swing but the selectors wanted more pace. So he obliged.
Selectors have a lot to answer for with this plethora of our more mature quicks going down with back fractures .


Aussie has been winning the war of attrition on fast bowlers since Lillee was first injured. The Windies ran out of surplus match talent in the early 90s if not late 80s. They were down to Bish, Walsh and Ambrose since Marshall retired with a bit of Patterson.

Only Safrica post Rabada gets close with Parnell, Morkel and co on the bench at times. But they lost Abbott so their reserves are shorter now and the Javellin thrower action guy off a short run up aint played internationals now for a long time. Pakistan is building an arsenal at the moment though.
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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby bolero » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:45 am

Pakistan has always had good quicks. They produce them out of nowhere. Current NZ team is also very good in the pace department.

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby bolero » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:45 am

England have a handy lead now. Broad frustrating Aus with his hop, skip, jump technique.

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby Paddles » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:48 am

bolero wrote:Pakistan has always had good quicks. They produce them out of nowhere. Current NZ team is also very good in the pace department.


Not much pace in NZ test team. Its all mid 130s at present. Boult bowls 140+ in pyjamas but not whites. Southee is way down on pace since his mid 140s in SL away tests. Wagner peaks at 139.9ish when taking bags of wickets.

Ferguson has more pace as does Kuggs but yet to play a test. Bennett is pacier too.
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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby MikeR68 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:48 am

That's 400 up again for England, I don't recall that happening in 2013/14 with Johnson and Harris, 6 times they didn't score 200 with a superior batting line-up, remember Stoneman, Vince and Malan were barely averaging 20 coming into the series, no wonder Vince is Hazlewood's bunny baggers. Hazlewood loves those club cricketer batsmen. For those who forget

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djbGMFQXfwU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrdNjB9urZE

Ryan Harris and Mitchell Johnson 60 wickets 5 tests. So much for Smith's prematch prediction

http://www.cricket.com.au/news/steve-sm ... 2017-11-22

Even the greats make stupid comments. Great Smith has taken Hazlewood off after Broad, yes Broad, took him to the cleaners.

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby Yorkshire » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:48 am

200 BY COOK GREAT INNINGS

:dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:
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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby Katto » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:57 am

too much short stuff to Broad.
there are other ways to get batsmen out - there are even more ways to get bunnies out

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby bolero » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:57 am

Bird has been horrible.

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby Paddles » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:10 am

Bowlers who can and do often score valuable runs - regular game changers.
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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:10 am

Yorkshire wrote:200 BY COOK GREAT INNINGS

:dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:
I second that.

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby Katto » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:12 am

only two results possible now

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:12 am

OZ keeps forgetting what a great competitor Broad is. Whethered the short pitch barrage and is now making hay from some ordinary bowling.

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby Paddles » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:14 am

baggygreenmania wrote:OZ keeps forgetting what a great competitor Broad is. Whethered the short pitch barrage and is now making hay from some ordinary bowling.


His ol' man was an ill tempered competitor too.

I really rated Chris Broad.
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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby Katto » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:14 am

bolero wrote:Bird has been horrible.


not horrible, just toothless
no pace or movement in this pitch

worst kind of test pitch is no pace, no seam and no turn. Having said that England are still favourites to win here as the Aussie's are still hungover from series win celebrations.

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:15 am

Pressure will be on our top order for the first time in the series.

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby bolero » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:23 am

Cook to overtake Lara anytime. Next up Sangakkara.

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby Paddles » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:36 am

Not quite a Greg Dyer effort. But fumbled.

Huge decision goes against England.

How could the umpire reasonably give that out on the soft decision?
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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:39 am

Why is Smith persevering with Lyon? Just gifting Cookie more runs.

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby Katto » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:41 am

should be utilising Mitch Marsh. that's what he's in the side for. only bowled 10 overs, pathetic

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby Katto » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:44 am

Paddles wrote:Not quite a Greg Dyer effort. But fumbled.

Huge decision goes against England.

How could the umpire reasonably give that out on the soft decision?


You mean not quite the Martin Snedden, in that he actually caught it (unlike Snedden).

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby Paddles » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:47 am

Katto wrote:
Paddles wrote:Not quite a Greg Dyer effort. But fumbled.

Huge decision goes against England.

How could the umpire reasonably give that out on the soft decision?


You mean not quite the Martin Snedden, in that he actually caught it (unlike Snedden).


:lmao:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6agc6mYEkE

Nopes I mean the Greg Dyer, in that he knew he had fumbled it. But at least Khawaja asked umps to review it.
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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby Katto » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:51 am

Cook is the ultimate flat track bully. Never even scored a century against Australia in England.

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby Yorkshire » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:57 am

Katto wrote:Cook is the ultimate flat track bully. Never even scored a century against Australia in England.


He will kill Australian bowling at Sydney, his best there 189

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby bolero » Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:00 am

Cook overtakes Lara.

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby raja » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:03 am

Excellent job, Chef.
And a superb match for Broad too. Wickets AND runs.

This is how you respond to your critics.

I remember a time (I think it was 1980 or 1981), when Greg Chappell was in poor form - and being criticized.
In a pre-match interview, he said "My bat will speak for me".
And went out and got 235. Ok, so it was the flattest of flat tracks in Pakistan, but, even so, it was good to see him get a big one.
Same with Cook here.

Ideally this should have happened earlier in the series (to have Australia on the backfoot early on), but still this performance that must be complimented. Despite the flat track, no Starc, unwell Cummins, dead rubber, whatever.

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby raja » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:09 am

Was wondering - Smith finally won a toss, and elected to bat.
Was this a 500-pitch from day-one, on which Australia managed just 327?
Or did it just get much better on days 2 & 3?

If the former, Australia's score is way below par.
If the latter, was Smith's decision to bat first not a bit questionable?

I think it's the former. I've been saying from the beginning, Aussie batting is fragile. Warner might hit a quick hundred (as he's done here, but it was a small one), but a 70 from Smith & 60 from Marsh aren't enough on a flat track like this.

I've also been saying that Aussie strength (if at all) is their bowling. In this game, with Starc missing, it has been made to look very mediocre.

3-2 beckons (this one's a write-off already).
Congrats, Boycs.

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby Katto » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:16 am

definitely the former. Look at the shot Smith got out on which precipitated the collapse.

They thought it was too easy after day 1 and played cavalier after that.

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby Leo » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:29 am

Congrats Alastair Cook. At least you will help me on my IIHAG game.

Question is England can manage to win from here? They should.
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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby Boycs » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:00 am

Boycs wrote:Maybe it’s a youthful immaturity thing, this inability to turn fifties into hundreds.

Cook still there. He’ll churn out a big daddy hundred for me to read about tomorrow


I shall strut around like Napoleon.

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby Boycs » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:38 pm

I hope cookie can smack some runs this evening if he can farm the strike. Though he probably doesn’t have many chances to practice that.

I want him to get past 260 at least.

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby Loose halo » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:12 pm

Bird was a poor squad selection he is over the hill.

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby Boycs » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:31 pm

Haha was just about to post asking if there has ever been an innings on a single day that only lasted one ball and that’s exactly what’s happened!

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby Boycs » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:31 pm

Boycs wrote:I hope cookie can smack some runs this evening if he can farm the strike. Though he probably doesn’t have many chances to practice that.

I want him to get past 260 at least.


Well that worked

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby Boycs » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:35 pm

While the runs didn’t affect the ashes outcome, I don’t think you can say these runs were made when the pressure was truly off. Cook hadn’t made runs all series, hadn’t made many runs apart from one double against WI; the team were feeling the ever mounting pressure of a looming 5:0 whitewash; more and more media pundits were starting to talk about Cook retiring.

And Australia while they bowled weaker than the other tests didn’t exactly bowl badly. 244, 61 and then the rest of them made 20s or 30s at best.

Gutted I didn’t get to see Cook cart it around a bit but it was a good ball first up.

Maybe Jimmy will come out angry

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby Boycs » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:41 pm

Nooooo the suns come out.

First delivery sealed a little thought. Second delivery too short. Pitch it up man. Third delivery still not making him play. Grrr

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby Boycs » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:46 pm

Bancroft beaten first up by broad. Completely corked

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Re: Australia vs England: 4th Ashes Tests; Dec 26-30, 2017 at Melbourne

Postby Yorkshire » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:58 pm

Bancroft warm up for his Somerset contract in 2018 English seasons