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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby raja » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:10 am

Smith shouldn't declare.
Most probably England will wrap this up quickly, but even if they don't, Australia shouldn't declare.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Mick180461 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:21 am

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Verity wrote:100% Joe Root is the shittest captain I have ever seen, dickheads clueless, he won't be in the job 5 minutes.


I'm not sure Straya is ready for England to send another intelligent and win at all costs Douglas Jardine type captain on an Ashes tour.

You can be as ruthless and win at all cost a Captain as you like but you need players good enough to be able to carry out the plans, Jardine had a team full of some of the greatest players to play the game. Only Cook, Root and maybe Anderson would have made it into Jardines team. If Broad had another yard of pace he would have gone through Australia today, he bowled superbly pre Lunch.
You will not defeat Australia in Australia bowling at 135kph with the Kookaburra ball, you will in England with the Duke but not in OZ.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Mick180461 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:23 am

raja wrote:Smith shouldn't declare.
Most probably England will wrap this up quickly, but even if they don't, Australia shouldn't declare.

I would give the Bowlers 20 overs tonite.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Mick180461 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:31 am

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Katto wrote:I like Tim Paine as a cricketer. He would've been the heir apparent to Haddin had he not had all those finger injuries.
I hope he gets some better gloves.
For once you and I are on same wavelength Katto. Would have snuffed out Haddin's career actually.

Baggers Australia wont change a winning team so Handscomb is safe.
Paine would have come into the side instead of Wade when Haddin was unavailable if he had not been injured. Wade was dropped for poor Glove work 2 tests after getting a 100, Paine would have kept his spot.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Boycs » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:52 am

This is just humiliating.

5:0 to Australia this will be.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby raja » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:56 am

Wasn't there a famous Ashes Test not so long ago where a team declared after getting 500+ - and then crashed to defeat? :-)

In case you needed a reminder :-)
http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/1451 ... the-ashes/

What's the rush to declare? I think this is a poor decision.

Still plenty of overs in the day - they could have left England about 20 overs, at the most.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Boycs » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:58 am

Raja we’re going to be four down by the end of play today.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Boycs » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:00 am

raja wrote:Wasn't there a famous Ashes Test not so long ago where a team declared after getting 500+ - and then crashed to defeat? :-)

In case you needed a reminder :-)
http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/1451 ... the-ashes/

What's the rush to declare? I think this is a poor decision.

Still plenty of overs in the day - they could have left England about 20 overs, at the most.


The commentators have just brought this up. And correctly pointed out that England don’t have anything like the attack Australia had.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:01 am

Putting up the white flag already Boycs? Your blokes have not even batted yet. I have to question Root's short ball tactics. Has no one told him we Aussies grow up on bouncy decks and love the short stuff.

Of course you are going to declare. Firstly it is morale deadening for England being unable to bowl us out.. mostly Smithy wants our blokes to have a crack at your boys under lites with the pinkie.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Verity » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:04 am

C'mon Cook get a big one and get all the haters off ya back. Good chance it'll be a draw here if England get through tonight alright, pitch is a road.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Boycs » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:05 am

You’re damn right baggy. I believe that I said we would lose before the series even started.

I just pray we make a good fist of it and go down fighting rather than rolling over

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:06 am

Great knock by SOS. He is close to career best form this year. Terrific concentration and excellent support from Tim Paine and Cummo yet again. C'mon boys one or two back in the sheds by stumps is order of the day..

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:08 am

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Paddles wrote:
I'm not sure Straya is ready for England to send another intelligent and win at all costs Douglas Jardine type captain on an Ashes tour.

You can be as ruthless and win at all cost a Captain as you like but you need players good enough to be able to carry out the plans, Jardine had a team full of some of the greatest players to play the game. Only Cook, Root and maybe Anderson would have made it into Jardines team. If Broad had another yard of pace he would have gone through Australia today, he bowled superbly pre Lunch.
You will not defeat Australia in Australia bowling at 135kph with the Kookaburra ball, you will in England with the Duke but not in OZ.


Just how fast do you think Hadlee was bowling in Straya at 35 to 37 years of age off a short run up?

I get your sentiment, but your absolute proposition does 't work.

Tremlett wasn't the sole wicket taker in 2010/11. Even Bresnan got some wickets.

*Pretty sure Baistow would have made Jardine's team or at least pushed Ames.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Verity » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:10 am

Hazlewood mid 140's, usually in the 130's.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:21 am

Verity wrote:Hazlewood mid 140's, usually in the 130's.

Yeah - he got the memo to send it down a yard quicker.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:23 am

Starcs getting swing now. England must feel like its May at Lords.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Boycs » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:27 am

Starc wants to bowl in the dark
Hazelwood bowls as he should,
Lyon will spin to get the ball in,
England just did what they could

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:35 am

Poor over from Haze. He loses perspective and accuracy when there is swing around.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:49 am

Yes Starc!!!

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:56 am

I think McGrath's catch is the best of those 3, while I think Clarke is right that its a 'speckie' [sic] - its just so rare that it'd stick in the hands - especially after the hand bobble in full dive.

While McGrath is no Warner in the field - to commit and try to a 1% or less catch and nab it - gotta reward the commitment even if a fluke.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Boycs » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:05 am

Rain saves us from being four down. Stoneman gets spiked lbw but otherwise precipitation saves our nation.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Boycs » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:09 am

This is all raja’s fault :(

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:19 am

Boycs wrote:Rain saves us from being four down. Stoneman gets spiked lbw but otherwise precipitation saves our nation.


Yips - that's why the Romans left. And those pesky unruly Celts from North of Hadrians Wall.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Boycs » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:19 am

rain all day,
The only way
Well draw the series
For if we play
Well be blown away
Starc will flay
So we pray
For rain all day

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Boycs » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:20 am

Paddles wrote:
Boycs wrote:Rain saves us from being four down. Stoneman gets spiked lbw but otherwise precipitation saves our nation.


Yips - that's why the Romans left. And those pesky unruly Celts from North of Hadrians Wall.


Doesn’t New Zealand have a similar climate to here?

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:25 am

Boycs wrote:
Paddles wrote:
Yips - that's why the Romans left. And those pesky unruly Celts from North of Hadrians Wall.


Doesn’t New Zealand have a similar climate to here?


Nooooo.

Auckland is closer to Melbourne for climate. Cooler than Sydney and Brisbane but much less rain than England.

Gets cold down south in winter, but not English levels of rain. The Brits find Chch and Dunedin down the bottom more remiscent of home than the North. But still less rain, esp in Summer.

My father moved here from Kent for the climate - got sick of (snow and) rain in England.

We also don't have the long twilight you have in summer.

Alexandrea down South, way South, gets hotter in summer and really cold in Winter like USA North East Coast levels - but Auckland is more moderate all year round.

Might be the southernmost Pacific islands in NZ but still Pacific islands :p
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Loose halo » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:59 am

Paddles wrote:
Boycs wrote:Rain saves us from being four down. Stoneman gets spiked lbw but otherwise precipitation saves our nation.


Yips - that's why the Romans left. And those pesky unruly Celts from North of Hadrians Wall.


Worse still the pesky Normans in October 1066 landed at Hastings.

Pity Harold didn't win that one IMO.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:13 am

Loose halo wrote:
Paddles wrote:
Yips - that's why the Romans left. And those pesky unruly Celts from North of Hadrians Wall.


Worse still the pesky Normans in October 1066 landed at Hastings.

Pity Harold didn't win that one IMO.


Depends on point of view of history - common lawyers typically start tracing English common law rule disticnt against Roman civil law from (France is Roman civil still today) William the Conq's landing in 1066. A foreign invader, yes, but forms a rich part of English culture unlike the Romans. Remember Richard the Lionheart was so Norman he didn't even speak the English language of the time over 100 years later and a fondly if not proudly remembered English King. His great grandfather was Henry I - the son of William the Conq and King of England from 1100 and born in 1068. His father was Henry II.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby raja » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:24 am

Boycs wrote:This is all raja’s fault :(

:lmao:
Hey, if I had my way, England would be following on now.
But sadly, the weather has ruined it all.
Nothing can now stop England's march towards 1-1.
Congrats in advance, Boycs.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:30 am

Rain spoils Smith's plans.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:48 am

After 10 overs tomorrow if both Root n Cook aren't out - the odds for a draw will plummett.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Boycs » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:10 pm

I pray for a cookie hundred he really needs it but I just can’t see it happening

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:12 pm

I think this one might go deep into day 5 thanks to shitty weather

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:52 pm

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby bolero » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:58 pm

What happened ? Not watched test but following scores.Looks like weather playing a part.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:15 pm

bolero wrote:What happened ? Not watched test but following scores.Looks like weather playing a part.


final session washed out after 9.1 overs

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Boycs » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:01 pm

I’m hoping England aren’t wiped out by eight tomorrow morning as I’ve got the morning off work and can sit down to watch some of it

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Verity » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:48 pm

This England batting lineup is so weak and so boring. Obviously Root and Cook are class acts but both are out of touch, it just surprises me that they have just a big First Class system over there and they never have any young guns come through. Broad and Anderson have been there only good bowlers for 10 years now, both suck on Australia pitches and Cook has never had a good opening partner since Strauss retired. There best player decided to go coward punch someone and misses out, Englands a mess. Plus there spinner gets zero spin, in pain everytime he grips the ball because his broke a nail on his "spinning finger", I could spin the ball more then that clown, surely they have a spinner in that massive system they have..
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby BritBulldog » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:42 pm

County Cricket is part of the problem for England. Most teams only have 1 or 2 players considered potentially at an international standard spread around 18 teams. No preparation for international play. Unlike the first class comp in Australia with only 6 teams the continuous quality of players prepare for international level. A lot of the players in Australia's first class comp could walk into most international teams. Also the politics of team selection also occurs as it does everywhere in the world, though it is not as bad as Australia from what I hear from ex-pat Aussies, but the quality of the first class players prepare them even if they are undeservedly selected. We need to get the number of teams down in county cricket to get the best constantly playing the best.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:40 pm

BritBulldog wrote:County Cricket is part of the problem for England. Most teams only have 1 or 2 players considered potentially at an international standard spread around 18 teams. No preparation for international play. Unlike the first class comp in Australia with only 6 teams the continuous quality of players prepare for international level. A lot of the players in Australia's first class comp could walk into most international teams. Also the politics of team selection also occurs as it does everywhere in the world, though it is not as bad as Australia from what I hear from ex-pat Aussies, but the quality of the first class players prepare them even if they are undeservedly selected. We need to get the number of teams down in county cricket to get the best constantly playing the best.


Australia hasn't won a series in England since 2001.

England won in Straya in 2010/11.

When did England last lose a series at home?

Australia lost a series at home last year and a test to Bangladesh away this year.

Australia is currently 5th in the rankings - below England.

Home team pitches, esp those very foreign to touring team, seems to matter more to results than the FC scene. Just look at the hybrid pitches of Safrica (between Eng and Aus pitch type extremed) and their teams fortunes losing vs Straya and England at home but rolling Aus in Aus.

Different format I know, but Aussie keep saying how competitive the 8 team BBL is - but Aus intl t20 tecord is woeful so far to date.

I think a consolidation of county teams could well lead to a signigicant rise in Eng FC standards - but the bigger issue is home pitches being foreign to tourists. You can at least get ahold of the balls to practice with at leisure. More FC teams allows for far more opportunities for new talent to rise and opportunities and then get noticed by nat selectors.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Boycs » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:02 pm

We struggled at times against West Indies Sri Lanka Pakistan and Africa over the last couple of years did we not? We may have won eventually against them however to be a truly good team we shouldn’t be in a position at home where we could ever genuinely lose a test against West Indies or Sri Lanka. Let alone actually lose one.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:06 pm

Boycs wrote:We struggled at times against West Indies Sri Lanka Pakistan and Africa over the last couple of years did we not? We may have won eventually against them however to be a truly good team we shouldn’t be in a position at home where we could ever genuinely lose a test against West Indies or Sri Lanka. Let alone actually lose one.


If it was a 10 test series vs WI - how many times would Shai Hope twin hundred up?

Pakistan has had the seam/swing and spin bowlers to cause trouble in England since, at the very least, 1992 but really dating back to Imran.

I don't think England is particularly strong at the moment - but they're still good enough to beat Safrica (Philander's illness helped) and Aus at home. I'd bet on England to beat India at home too.

I think fully fit with ABDV back, this new kid opening the batting, - Safrica has the stronger team and squad forming subject to not playing Bavuma and quota in any one match. But a lot of their team isn't getting any younger and they have some big retirements looming after next World Cup.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby bolero » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:42 am

Katto wrote:
bolero wrote:What happened ? Not watched test but following scores.Looks like weather playing a part.


final session washed out after 9.1 overs


Ok. Rain is a factor in this Ashes.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:13 am

bolero wrote:
What happened ? Not watched test but following scores.Looks like weather playing a part.

Bolero no doubt you have been watching Kohli make hay while sun shines for India. How many runs does he have now in this series.
He really thrives on those slow flat sub cont. tracks.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Yorkshire » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:33 am

50 for 3.
Root last man out caught in the slip.

Cook 21 not out
Malan 0 not out

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Verity » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:38 am

Cook is looking good, hoping he gets 100+
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby raja » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:48 am

Cook looking good for a double hundred here.
1-1 beckons.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:55 am

raja wrote:Cook looking good for a double hundred here.
1-1 beckons.


England's not even close to the auto avoid follow on mark.

This comment is like hitting on the widow in front of mourners at her recently deceased husband's funeral service- too soon raja. Too soon.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Verity » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:58 am

That was a shocker by Dar, was always going over, easy not out after yesterday, he dead set goes to sleep half the time.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Verity » Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:26 am

Bad shot by Cook, edges a nothing ball to slip.

Lyon is the best in the world don't care what you Ashwin fans say.
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