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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby raja » Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:54 am

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Verity » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:03 am

why cant england produce a fast bowler? all medium fasts
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Loose halo » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:12 am

Not enough animal protein in their diet.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:39 am

Loose halo wrote:Not enough animal protein in their diet.


Haha.

The extensive county cricket schedule is oft blamed for this, but I think further reasons are their conditions, pitches and duke balls being more responsive to swing and more nibble rewarding slower seamers than tall and fast, bash it into the pitch men.

Remember it was 2001 since Aussie's bowlers last knocked England over in England. Pace isn't everything everywhere.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:40 am

Loose halo wrote:Not enough animal protein in their diet.


lol bullshit :lol:

all protein is the same

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:41 am

last partnership swung it back to Australia's way

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:43 am

by the way these crowd figures are bullshit

Adelaide Oval can only fit 53,800 max

they're adding the 10,000 people out the back of the ground in the marquis area who bought tickets to that figure. its all bullshit

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:54 am

Katto wrote:by the way these crowd figures are bullshit

Adelaide Oval can only fit 53,800 max

they're adding the 10,000 people out the back of the ground in the marquis area who bought tickets to that figure. its all bullshit


*marquees perhaps?
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:56 am

Paddles wrote:
Katto wrote:by the way these crowd figures are bullshit

Adelaide Oval can only fit 53,800 max

they're adding the 10,000 people out the back of the ground in the marquis area who bought tickets to that figure. its all bullshit


*marquees perhaps?


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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby raja » Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:09 pm

Katto wrote:last partnership swung it back to Australia's way

You really think so?
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Shambles » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:53 pm

Surprised by Root’s decision, which seemed to be more out of desperation than soundness. We didn’t bowl well either, Broad especially, but I quite like Overton & thought he should have played at Brisbane. Handscomb has such an odd technique but he stood firm & Australia should put a win out England’s reach in a few hours time. Hope I’m wrong.

Producing genuinely fast bowlers is something not just England struggle with! We could use one right now. I thought Roland Jones would go very well in this series, against SA he showed excellent control of length & line with most of the required skills, plus he’s a very good bat. Shame about losing him & I wonder if Jamie Porter would have made it had he not broken down also. Anderson & Broad look very exposed. Not looking good for England at this point. 3am alarm set.......

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Boycs » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:03 pm

It is not looking good at all. Though didn’t expect it to ever look good

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Loose halo » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:18 pm

Katto wrote:
Loose halo wrote:Not enough animal protein in their diet.


lol bullshit :lol:

all protein is the same


Animal protein is accompanied by saturated fats which in turn genetically increase the size of Homo Sapiens.

That is one of the chief factors in racial size difference.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Loose halo » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:25 pm

The books have shortened the draw but only fractional changes to Australia and England.

England are collossal value at 5.00.

Australia 1.55
draw 4.50

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Boycs » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:35 pm

Loose halo wrote:
Katto wrote:
lol bullshit :lol:

all protein is the same


Animal protein is accompanied by saturated fats which in turn genetically increase the size of Homo Sapiens.

That is one of the chief factors in racial size difference.


Genetically?

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:10 am

Root factored in his decision on past pinkie tests where the side bowling first has won. He said himself he wanted to bowl twice in favorable conditions with a new ball. So why were a couple of past Aussie greats such as Warne and Clarke deriding the decision. Had the England bowlers used the dusk and later twilite conditions to their fullest the Baggies would be in great trouble at stumps.

They always say do not run on a misfield so what possessed Warner to call Bancroft thru for a suicide run. No brains same as his get out shot when Australia most needed him to go on. Only an unplayable can disloge Smith and that is what debutant Overton produced. Game is evenly poised after the first days play.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Loose halo » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:15 am

Genes have the ability to accept any good qualities that may assist the DNA molecule to survive from both parents. ie intelligence mass etc. that's why our kids are smarter and stronger than we are.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:09 am

baggygreenmania wrote:Root factored in his decision on past pinkie tests where the side bowling first has won. He said himself he wanted to bowl twice in favorable conditions with a new ball. So why were a couple of past Aussie greats such as Warne and Clarke deriding the decision. Had the England bowlers used the dusk and later twilite conditions to their fullest the Baggies would be in great trouble at stumps.

They always say do not run on a misfield so what possessed Warner to call Bancroft thru for a suicide run. No brains same as his get out shot when Australia most needed him to go on. Only an unplayable can disloge Smith and that is what debutant Overton produced. Game is evenly poised after the first days play.


But the rain meant England only got 1 over and not 10 with a new ball under lights yesterday. If Aus bat 2, 2 and a bit sessions today - England has a HUGE problem tonight. Cummins could look like Waqar Younis with a new pink ball tonight, Haze will likely get significant out swing tail and Starc could get his yorkers hooping sideways.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:28 am

Loose halo wrote:
Katto wrote:
lol bullshit :lol:

all protein is the same


Animal protein is accompanied by saturated fats which in turn genetically increase the size of Homo Sapiens.

That is one of the chief factors in racial size difference.


Tell that to a gorilla

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Loose halo » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:54 am

And Dinosaurs you say I bet.

Richard Dawkins River out of Eden is deliberately dumbed down for the layman read it and weep.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:57 am

Loose halo wrote:And Dinosaurs you say I bet.

Richard Dawkins River out of Eden is deliberately dumbed down for the layman read it and weep.


no I don't say dinosaurs because they don't exist and have pea brains. Gorillas are relevant here.
Richard Dawkins is a propagandist with an agenda - but lets stick to scientific facts here and not get into political discussion or scientism.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:48 am

Yep rain did mean England only had just over an over under lites. But did they bowl all that well earlier during dusk for instance when it can be difficult to see the ball as the lite decreases.

Handscomb may have saved his place for the third test with his gritty knock. Will want to kick on this morning tho. Always happens when you praise a bloke. Handscomb goes without adding. Trapped in front by Broad. The right hander has struggled for runs in all formats this season.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Mick180461 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:51 am

Great review by SOS
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:58 am

Am I mising something with the DRS review process?. Take that Marsh review for instance. Instead of going thru the hot spot and snicko first why not just determine whether the ball pitched outside leg first. As surely that is the easiest way to determine whether a wicket has fallen or not. If it is shown to have pitched inside then use other options.Valuable playing minutes could be saved. Is this a fair enuff assumption?

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:04 am

Mick why do you say Handscomb is safe until the 4th test mate. I do not see it that way. Broad and Anderson have made him a walking wicket with his habit of hiding deep in his crease.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:21 am

baggygreenmania wrote:Am I mising something with the DRS review process?. Take that Marsh review for instance. Instead of going thru the hot spot and snicko first why not just determine whether the ball pitched outside leg first. As surely that is the easiest way to determine whether a wicket has fallen or not. If it is shown to have pitched inside then use other options.Valuable playing minutes could be saved. Is this a fair enuff assumption?


1st they determine if its a fair delivery (typicaly just front foot no ball or outside crease line with back foot, over waist height is possible too - they won't likely call a slightly bent arm but rules would technically permit this)
2nd they determine if there is bat involved via rts (snicko) and hotspot where available.
3rd they load the (imaging and prediction) ball tracking system.

2 and 3 could logically be swapped around I guess but it may take more time to get the (imaging and prediction) ball tracking system info loaded as against merely loading rts(snicko) and hotspot recordings for playback.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:22 am

I like Tim Paine as a cricketer. He would've been the heir apparent to Haddin had he not had all those finger injuries.
I hope he gets some better gloves.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:24 am

Paine in pain after dual knocks on his jinxed index finger from the extra bounce in this deck. Feel for you Timmy. Hoping it is not a rebreak mate. KP and Slater both asked why Paine was not wearing some type of fibreglass protection under his glove.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:26 am

2 and 3 could logically be swapped around I guess but around but it may take more time to get the (imaging and prediction) ball tracking system info loaded as against merely loading rts(snicko) and hotspot recordings for playback. Indeed it can and should be. Like i say it would save valuable playing minutes and perhaps loss of concentration by the batsman and bowler for that matter.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:29 am

Katto wrote:I like Tim Paine as a cricketer. He would've been the heir apparent to Haddin had he not had all those finger injuries.
I hope he gets some better gloves.
For once you and I are on same wavelength Katto. Would have snuffed out Haddin's career actually.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:30 am

baggygreenmania wrote:2 and 3 could logically be swapped around I guess but around but it may take more time to get the (imaging and prediction) ball tracking system info loaded as against merely loading rts(snicko) and hotspot recordings for playback. Indeed it can and should be. Like i say it would save valuable playing minutes and perhaps loss of concentration by the batsman and bowler for that matter.


If 2 is done before 3 due to time taken to load ball tracking, they currently have the swiftest order. If not due to loading time - its a lottery of where a lbw will fail if at all.

They stop reviewing at first factor fail.

They're continually seeking to fine tune this for time - they want to keep a happy tv audience.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Loose halo » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:37 am

Katto wrote:
Loose halo wrote:And Dinosaurs you say I bet.

Richard Dawkins River out of Eden is deliberately dumbed down for the layman read it and weep.


no I don't say dinosaurs because they don't exist and have pea brains. Gorillas are relevant here.
Richard Dawkins is a propagandist with an agenda - but lets stick to scientific facts here and not get into political discussion or scientism.


Scientism?

That'll do me. :grin:

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:09 am

I hope Starc is aggressive
wanna see this game move forward

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:10 am

Loose halo wrote:
Katto wrote:
no I don't say dinosaurs because they don't exist and have pea brains. Gorillas are relevant here.
Richard Dawkins is a propagandist with an agenda - but lets stick to scientific facts here and not get into political discussion or scientism.


Scientism?

That'll do me. :grin:


yeah Scientism. Its the concept of science as doctrine rather than discipline. eg global warming is an example of scientism gone mad.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:11 am

Oh Tim in total control and he pulls one down Moeen's throat. Good knock.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:16 am

We want 50+ from the tail to help out SOS.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Loose halo » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:18 am

Never did accept that South Pole hole in the Ozone layer.LOL

Yes often described as Science Fundamentalism.

Back to Starc quick runs needed and England facing our pace trio under lights.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:28 am

Loose halo wrote:Never did accept that South Pole hole in the Ozone layer.LOL

Yes often described as Science Fundamentalism.

Back to Starc quick runs needed and England facing our pace trio under lights.


there's a story with that too. It had to do with a patent expiring on a refrigerant gas (making it worthless) and a massive advertising campaign to promote an alternative the patent holder had developed.

by the way, debates about global warming are boring as I've been there so many times (and won from several approaches), so I dont want to go there either...it was just an example :)

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:37 am

I hope there's more action in the second session

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby raja » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:10 am

Didn't realise Overton is a fine batsman too.
Where do England get these all-rounder greats?
Stokes, Woakes, Overton, Broad, Ali...each one a match-winner with bat or ball in hand.

1-1 beckons.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:12 am

these two need to score some runs...hanging around is wasting time as Hazlewood and Lyon wont offer much resistance

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:34 am

this is f***ing boring cricket right now!!!

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:35 am

Marsh 63(160) and Cummins 0(34)

Aus 324/7

Eng may n try n keep Aus batting under lights at this run rate.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:36 am

obvious Aus plan is to hold out until final session so England bat under lights against the new ball

they should be trying to score though

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:44 am

this is pink ball cricket

the ball goes soft which results in slow attritional cricket

hence why Katto calls this a pink ball farce

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Verity » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:18 am

100% Joe Root is the shittest captain I have ever seen, dickheads clueless, he won't be in the job 5 minutes.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:34 am

Verity wrote:100% Joe Root is the shittest captain I have ever seen, dickheads clueless, he won't be in the job 5 minutes.


I'm not sure Straya is ready for England to send another intelligent and win at all costs Douglas Jardine type captain on an Ashes tour.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Verity » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:35 am

9 lives Marsh is batting brilliantly, some absolute beaut drives.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:38 am

Verity wrote:9 lives Marsh is batting brilliantly, some absolute beaut drives.

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he's finally got his head straight

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Verity » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:44 am

Katto wrote:
Verity wrote:9 lives Marsh is batting brilliantly, some absolute beaut drives.

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he's finally got his head straight


good seeing a batsmen at #6 flourish after the aussie selectors putting a allrounder there for 4 years with zero success.
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