The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Yorkshire » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:48 am

Boycs wrote:http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/21706502/root-cook-england-overseas-problems

That's a key factor in why we are losing.

Right everyone good at home test,either India or Australia or Batting of Root.i wish England doing good at Perth.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:13 am

Teams for the 2-day warm up match at Richardon Park, Perth.

CXI: Travis Dean (c), William Bosisto, Jake Doran, Sam Harper (wk), Clint Hinchliffe, Mac Wright, Josh Philippe, Nick Buchanan, Michael Cormack, Gabe Bell, Jackson Koop, Alex Bevilaqua,

ENG: Keaton Jennings, Dan Lawrence, Gary Ballance, Moeen Ali (c), Ben Foakes (wk), Liam Livingstone, Joe Clarke, Mark Wood, Tom Curran, Mason Crane, Jake Ball, Jack Leach.

A few new names in the CAX1 but most are known to us. Good to see Will Bosisto getting a run. Surprised he is not the skipper. Tassie quick Gabe Bell has been impressive this season. Josh Philippe is an exciting prospect while Alex Bevilaqua is another off the Dennis Lillee Academy production line.

Several interesting additions for England tho most are from the England Lions. Looking forward to seeing how Tom Curran goes.. some big wraps on him. After going 2-0 down in the Ashes would have notioned England needed all the match time it could get.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:48 am

Boycs wrote:http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/21706502/root-cook-england-overseas-problems

That's a key factor in why we are losing.


if you were losing by less than 50 runs or 3 wickets it would be.

The key factor IMO is the difference between the effectiveness of the spinners.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Boycs » Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:16 pm

And the pace bowlers and batsmen :D

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Shambles » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:20 pm

So what do England change for the 3rd Test? Cook is averaging 15.5, Vince 25.5, & Moeen nearly 100 with the ball. Tom Curran had a good day today against CA, would he be something different? Should Hales come in? I feel we must change something but no idea exactly what.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Boycs » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:26 pm

Curran I think is in the pipe line for a try but perhaps not yet. They won't ever drop Cook he's too colossal a player in general even if going through an average patch. Hales might like the Aussie pitches for does he have the technique long term?

The trouble is there aren't enough supporting actors...

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Mick180461 » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:29 pm

Boycs wrote:And the pace bowlers and batsmen :D

You forgot the Fielder's, though I will give England a slight edge in the Keeping department as Bairstow is perhaps the one English player out playing his opponent.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Mick180461 » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:31 pm

Shambles wrote:So what do England change for the 3rd Test? Cook is averaging 15.5, Vince 25.5, & Moeen nearly 100 with the ball. Tom Curran had a good day today against CA, would he be something different? Should Hales come in? I feel we must change something but no idea exactly what.

Is Cook on the way to having to do the same thing Denness done in 74-75 and Gooch in 89, so badly out of form they ended up dropping themselves.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Shambles » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:22 pm

Personally I think Cook needs to change things. He just seems to be doing the same as he did 7 years ago only nowhere near as well. Has his game evolved positively? Surprised we havent used him at 3 or 5. Why not? If he's only going to average 15 then plenty of other openers can do that., & plenty have come & gone while he survives. Hope for him he scores heavily at the WACA.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Boycs » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:27 pm

The one positive about cook is that he can see the shine off better than many others and he has still managed to do that a few times this year even if he’s then gotten out for 35. I can’t help but think that others would just collapse and we’d be 45/4 off thirteen rather than 45/2 off twenty and the ball and bit more malleable.

But I agree he is otherwise not making much at the top. To be honest no one is making runs for England at the moment.

But can you ever remember Cook setting the world alight? He is at the most a 75 heart beats per minute kind of guy. Even with his 765 runs or whatever in 2010/11 I can’t rememebr any of the shots.....