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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Paddles » Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:50 am

NZ declare 8 down with Southee and Taylor set without a tail end slogathon first.

Over 2 days to go - a lil slogathon first would have been nice.

WI need 444.
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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Boycs » Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:34 am

30/2 at the end of the day after hetmyer played a nice on drive but then scooped the next one to mid off

Looks sunny and pleasant down there.

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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Boycs » Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:37 am

Ross Taylor is breaking down into tears in the post match interview. I’m assuming that this is because they’re talking about Crowe and the NZ hundreds count?

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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Paddles » Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:40 am

Boycs wrote:Ross Taylor is breaking down into tears in the post match interview. I’m assuming that this is because they’re talking about Crowe and the NZ hundreds count?


Yeah it is.

More about Crowe than the 100s itself.
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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Boycs » Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:41 am

Sad times :(

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Postby Paddles » Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:44 am

Boycs wrote:Sad times :(


More an emotional celebration heavily tinged with sadness of what ought to be and is a happy time.

The 'bromance' or what could be called 'Crowemance' runs deep between Smithy (the interviewer) and Ross, who are friends themselves as well.

As a fan, I'm an unabashed fan of Crowe, the player, the tactician, the statesman, cricket innovator, cricket writer, the broadcaster, and the mentor of Taylor and Guptil.
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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Yorkshire » Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:57 am

Boycs wrote:Sad times :(

happy time
because Taylor broke john Read's record of 871 runs in calendar year , if KW not declare he might joins Pujara,Kohli,Elgar,Karunaratne for 1000+ club team

980 in 2017 congratulation

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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Paddles » Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:02 pm

Yorkshire wrote:
Boycs wrote:Sad times :(

happy time
because Taylor broke john Read's record of 871 runs in calendar year , if KW not declare he might joins Pujara,Kohli,Elgar,Karunaratne for 1000+ club team

980 in 2017 congratulation


Try again. This is Taylor's 5th test for 2017 - he's well short of 1000. Heck - he's short of 500.
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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Boycs » Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:22 pm

Why did Nicholas play at that ball that got him out I wonder. Was on his collar bone

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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Paddles » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:45 pm

Boycs wrote:Why did Nicholas play at that ball that got him out I wonder. Was on his collar bone


Niccolls vertical waft at the high one? It was wide too if we're talking about the same dismissal.

Niccolls just doesn't know his game well, and has been handed this extended run not on the basis of merit ahead of those he has left out, but good fortune and incumbancy. If Ryder was sober, Niccolls wouldn't have seen intl cricket and would be behind Bruce and Munro now. Its not like he's been left out of the team and told to sort out some specific technical problems either.

He has some talent - his eye on the cut is impeccable, and he can place the ball from behind to in front of square. His sweep shot nullifies spinners on a lot of decks well too (until the bowlers counter it like India's did in odi and Niccolls keeps sweeping to balls pitched wider and shorter). But he hasn't developed his game to improve his scores well. He has stopped playing his shovel straight drive, and looks to play a safer along the ground cover drive to the wide half volley, but he is still weak to long hops that aren't in his wheel house to cut shot at. His wafts at wide balls as though he does not know where his off stump is, looks to shovel pull and hooks himself off balance far too often.

To have gotten where got to as quick as he did, he must have talent. But he's just not an international quality level player yet. I doubt opposing teams have a plan for him - just send him a mixed bag of long hops not so wide for him to cut and full straight ones, some length balls too and he'll get himself out. Keep the spinners off till he's out.

With his ability to cut and sweep, a half decent to good test (less for pyjama) cricketer can be made out of him one day. But right now, Bruce and Munro look levels ahead of him. And I don't even entirely trust Munro against pace. In fact, Aussie has left Munro looking daft at times. Bruce and Munro both seem adept against spin too.
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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Boycs » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:17 am

Trent and co have shaped up to be a good attack for New Zealand I think. Shame southee can’t shave a run or two off his average to get it under 30.00

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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby baggygreenmania » Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:24 am

Congrats Black Caps..another nail in the coffin of West Indian cricket?

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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Paddles » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:24 am

baggygreenmania wrote:Congrats Black Caps..another nail in the coffin of West Indian cricket?


WI bowled well enough. Roach is a proven test player. Gabriel has many good spells in him. Cummins gave the NZ batting a working over in the last test, so he has some potential to be hostile. He needs to develop consistency tho 'cos he had a short highlight reel in the 1st test. Holder as a bowler just isn't kicking on. He bowls far slower than he is able most the time and just seems to typically be bowling holding spells. I think he has talent but needs some coaching. His batting is immensely valuable as I don't think he is bowling well enough these days to stay in the team as a specialist bowler.

Some of the batting was simply not test class, but it'd be a much better side with Bravo (the batsman) replacing Ambris and a new good opener to replace Powell.

But finding new good openers is becomming more difficult for a lot of intl teams at present (India excluded).
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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Yorkshire » Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:53 am

Gayle is getting ready for All NZ bowlers in Limited over cricket

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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Paddles » Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:55 am

Yorkshire wrote:Gayle is getting ready for All NZ bowlers in Limited over cricket


Gayle, Lewis and Samuels are imported in to the odi team.

NZ is without Guptil for all 3, and KW in games 2 and 3.

The ODI games will potentially be a lot closer than the tests.
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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Boycs » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:11 pm

I was about to ask when the ODI games are. West Indies May pack a bigger punch there

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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Paddles » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:02 pm

Boycs wrote:I was about to ask when the ODI games are. West Indies May pack a bigger punch there


Yeah - NZ batting is def going to be at its weakest missing KW and Gup even with a specialist bat at 6, and Lewis, Gayle and Samuels beef up WI batting.

I'm not sold on the WI odi bowling, nor on some of the NZ batting.

NZ is using this series to further trial Lockie Fergusson, G Worker and N Broom. The Broom selection has irked many NZ fans, myself included.

But with Munro regardless for NZ and Gayle n Lewis opening for WI - the match starts ought to be action packed.
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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Boycs » Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:05 pm

Why isn’t KW featuring in two of the games? Rest? Or family commitment?

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Postby Yorkshire » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:09 pm

Boycs wrote:Why isn’t KW featuring in two of the games? Rest? Or family commitment?

For Latham captaincy probably or KW out for vacation

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Postby Paddles » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:10 am

Yorkshire wrote:
Boycs wrote:Why isn’t KW featuring in two of the games? Rest? Or family commitment?

For Latham captaincy probably or KW out for vacation


They seem to be forced vacations. All key 3 format players will get a 1 week min break by mid Jan.
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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Paddles » Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:23 pm

Who does this Ian Bishop fella think he is?

Comes to NZ and starts commentating on the field and bowler strategy implemented, its cause and the evolution of current odi tactics employed and distinguishing it with certain players and teams.

I'd rather hear about Doully drank last night or what Cumming will have for lunch today.

Cricket commentators talking cricket. What's going on?
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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Paddles » Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:27 am

Worker has copied Smudger Smith's trigger movement to off stump. Worker is more middle and off.

Worker still only scoring square on both sides, tho.
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Postby Paddles » Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:52 am

And Worker is out bowled playing a cut shot.

Yes a cut shot to a ball that bowled him.

His looking to only play square remains a serious limitation for him.
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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby bolero » Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:41 am

The match results have been predictable, not bothered watching. NZ far superior to WI.

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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby raja » Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:03 am

I didn't know Doug Bracewell was still in the mix.
Just checked his profile - he's just 27.
Feels like ages ago that he made his debut for NZ.

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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Paddles » Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:29 am

raja wrote:I didn't know Doug Bracewell was still in the mix.
Just checked his profile - he's just 27.
Feels like ages ago that he made his debut for NZ.


Yeah - it was.

He got smashed round the park but got Gayle with his 1st ball. It was a pretty uninspiring motm performance.

The highlight for me was Munro's 49 for his control yet high tempo. Ross sealed it as per. Astle silenced the Sodhi complainers. Santner must be worried about his test spot if Astle continues these performances.

Lewis for WI was brilliant again. Kid has serious talent. Bad ump call on a turning googly to get him out too but no review left. Powell finally made a score. Good innings - but he was due for some runs.

Niccolls continued to suck.
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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Yorkshire » Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:05 pm

Trent Boult took 7 wickets in 10 overs

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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Boycs » Sat Dec 23, 2017 2:31 pm

Yes, we know

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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Yorkshire » Mon Dec 25, 2017 2:48 am

bolero wrote:The match results have been predictable, not bothered watching. NZ far superior to WI.

Now t20i coming up but one can not Predicts,if Universal boss cut loose.

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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby bolero » Mon Dec 25, 2017 5:24 am

Has the torture for WI ended ?

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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Paddles » Mon Dec 25, 2017 5:45 am

bolero wrote:Has the torture for WI ended ?


Doubt it.

The bigger worry is if NZ read too much into the runs Worker is scoring to square and behind for bigger games that follow.

As someone who wanted Astle given a chance, the WI are so weak, I find it difficult to measure his very good performances - same with Worker.

Thats actually the bigger issue with this WI series - where NZC rate contender performances against proven players.

I like Holder as a player - there's talent to work with there esp with the bat (his bowling needs coaching but he's tall and accurate), but Law as coach and him as capt are a weak tactical unit. Worker ain't that difficult to shut down! Its all square and behind. Either set square fields or bowl straighter on off or both. It is not rocket science.
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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Boycs » Mon Dec 25, 2017 7:48 am

Expand upon your Law-Holder comment, please. I am curious

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Postby Paddles » Mon Dec 25, 2017 8:33 pm

Boycs wrote:Expand upon your Law-Holder comment, please. I am curious


Go find a scoring zone pie chart for Worker in the 1st odi. Then look at the 2nd game. Worker was out bowled playing a cut shot to a ball that bowled him with a middle n off trigger movement in the 1st game. Thats how square his play is. In the 2nd game he leg glanced one ball in front of square leg - but he first looked for the ball at fine leg - so he was intending for a behind square shot.

If someone isn't playing down the ground, through midwicket or covers (beyond cutting just in front of point which he rarely does anyway), surely you can implement a plan to stifle him like Ireland and Bangladesh did so well, if not get him out cheap.

Instead they served up more of the same in the second match, and Worker obliged. So this indicates to me that they're not doing their homework on opposition players and plannimg accordingly. It isn't bowler exwcution as the fields are rather the same for any NZ left hander they bowl to. But Worker is not at all like Munro - at all. Munro will swing straight in front of square, drive straight down the ground, and drop kick over mid wicket if he thinks the shot is on. Basically Munro plays all round the ground even if a heavy pull shot scorer.
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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Boycs » Mon Dec 25, 2017 10:28 pm

Ah I thought you have more to say regarding law being a poor coach or somethings

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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Boycs » Mon Dec 25, 2017 10:29 pm

26/3 not the best start! Latham and Taylor on nought

I don’t know who Cotterell is but he scowls something terrifying

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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Boycs » Mon Dec 25, 2017 10:41 pm

It’s nice that during breaks in ashes coverage I can flick over to this ODI

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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Boycs » Mon Dec 25, 2017 10:58 pm

Taylor and my bro Latham settling things down. Nice crack over backward point for four by Taylor

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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Boycs » Mon Dec 25, 2017 11:29 pm

Aw rain sweeps up after Taylor and Latham rebuild

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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Paddles » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:49 am

I quite enjoy Tastle and Santner bowling together.
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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Paddles » Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:11 am

Boycs wrote:Ah I thought you have more to say regarding law being a poor coach or somethings


Well yeah - I think Law, Holder and the bowling coach - if any - all deserve to have their pay docked. Worker aint exactly a total noobie with no internationals played previously where only NZ local fans knew about his scoring zones.
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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Yorkshire » Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:41 pm

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What you think about Worker or what is your 15 member team vs Pakistan 5 ODI.? I think Munro hold his place plus Tod Astle also improving

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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Paddles » Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:57 am

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What you think about Worker or what is your 15 member team vs Pakistan 5 ODI.? I think Munro hold his place plus Tod Astle also improving


I'd keep Munro over Worker playing.

Look - personally I'd have Bruce over Worker. Mark Chapman and Solia are better options than Broom. But Worker will likely be the reserve bat.

I'm happy for Astle to get more chances. Santner is the #1 odi spinner still BUT Astle could through odi games display that he is the better bat n bowl test option to Santner.
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Re: WI tour Of NZ:01/12/17 - 03/01/18 (2 tests,3 ODI, 3 T20I)

Postby Paddles » Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:55 am

Lovely ground and good crowd.

Nelson is a holiday town - cos there looks to be as many in the crowd as live in the town and it aint a rugby game.

For the record - I have no issue with NZC taking holiday games to Queenstown, Nelson and Mt Mauganui if they keep filling the grounds.
Law 31.6 - benefit of the doubt for an dismissal appeal goes to the batsman
A third umpire call for a run out or stumping is a referral, not a review.