First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Katto » Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:19 am

SuperGLS wrote:Don't fear English fans, Jonny B and Ali are going to put on 100 together in the afternoon session.

Jinx or not? You decide.


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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Katto » Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:24 am

Loose halo wrote:Day 4 forecast

Fine another full days play.

England need 200 or more and Australia need to avoid a collapse when they chase.

Surely the top three Aussies will contribute this time.

Lyon is the key today.


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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:40 am

Haze is making up for a below standard (his) in the first innings. Two pearlers to remove Vince and Root and deceptive bounce did for Cookie. :dance: Hats off Lyno on a terrific year.:hatsoff:

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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Mick180461 » Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:43 am

baggygreenmania wrote::hatsoff: Haze is making up for a below standard (his) in the first innings. Two pearlers to remove Vince and Root and deceptive bounce did for Cookie. Hats off Lyno on a terrific year.:hatsoff:

Should have played the Shield match last week, needed the overs under his belt.

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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby SuperGLS » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:07 am

Katto wrote:
SuperGLS wrote:Don't fear English fans, Jonny B and Ali are going to put on 100 together in the afternoon session.

Jinx or not? You decide.


Where have you been? Still recovering from 2016 result? Screaming at the sky? :lol:


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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Paddles » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:11 am

Lol at Clarke mistaking Ali for Amla.
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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Paddles » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:13 am

SuperGLS wrote:
Katto wrote:
Where have you been? Still recovering from 2016 result? Screaming at the sky? :lol:


If I'm honest, I dislike Trump because he's a jackass (but as he's unable to pass any meaningful legislation it's not so bad and there's a lot to laugh at), but I disliked Misty much much more. Being at CF was unbearable because of him so I found a different place to talk about cricket.

A fellow CFer reached out to me on Twitter and told me to come back. I said I'd check in during the Ashes. Imagine how happy I was to see this thread without any of his comments!


You may want to block user Yorkshire then.
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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Verity » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:23 am

This partnership could get dangerous, need a wicket soon.
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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Katto » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:24 am

dunno about that stumping
it was probably out, but there wasn't really enough evidence to give it

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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby SuperGLS » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:24 am

Wow, one of the closest stumpings I've seen. Momo has to go go.
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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby bolero » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:24 am

SuperGLS wrote:
Katto wrote:
Where have you been? Still recovering from 2016 result? Screaming at the sky? :lol:


If I'm honest, I dislike Trump because he's a jackass (but as he's unable to pass any meaningful legislation it's not so bad and there's a lot to laugh at), but I disliked Misty much much more. Being at CF was unbearable because of him so I found a different place to talk about cricket.

A fellow CFer reached out to me on Twitter and told me to come back. I said I'd check in during the Ashes. Imagine how happy I was to see this thread without any of his comments! (Unless he's got a new name which is always possible, but I didn't read all the posts carefully.)


James, regular members like you shouldn't be bothered. Welcome back.

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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby SuperGLS » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:25 am

Woakesy! Woakesy! Woakesy!
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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:25 am

Brilliant stumping Timmy Paine. Lyno with his third. I bow to this man. He and Haze are putting us into a winning position now. '
Should have played the Shield match last week, needed the overs under his belt. I wrote the same thing Mick.
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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Paddles » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:26 am

Huge wicket by Lyon.

Ali out stumped. Very close call - you'll read more about this one.
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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Paddles » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:27 am

This England tail just isnt the same without Stokes.
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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby bolero » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:29 am

Australia had to get rid of beardman.

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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Yorkshire » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:32 am

Raja
I can tell Woakes all rounder if he scores 50 runs more or 4 more than Cummins

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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Yorkshire » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:33 am

Paddles wrote:Huge wicket by Lyon.

Ali out stumped. Very close call - you'll read more about this one.

That is out even in Pakistan because ONLINE not acceptable

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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Katto » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:37 am

SuperGLS wrote:
Katto wrote:
Where have you been? Still recovering from 2016 result? Screaming at the sky? :lol:


If I'm honest, I dislike Trump because he's a jackass (but as he's unable to pass any meaningful legislation it's not so bad and there's a lot to laugh at), but I disliked Misty much much more. Being at CF was unbearable because of him so I found a different place to talk about cricket.

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lol too far gone :grin:

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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby bolero » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:38 am

I didn't see the dismissal.Cant comment.

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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Katto » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:39 am

Paddles wrote:Huge wicket by Lyon.

Ali out stumped. Very close call - you'll read more about this one.


depends who wins
if Aussies win we'll read about the whingeing
if England win it'll be forgotten quickly

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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Katto » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:40 am

hmm should've reviewed that one. Lyon would've had Bairstow

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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Paddles » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:42 am

Yorkshire wrote:
Paddles wrote:Huge wicket by Lyon.

Ali out stumped. Very close call - you'll read more about this one.

That is out even in Pakistan because ONLINE not acceptable


On the line is out - but the benefit of the doubt must go with the batsman.

Slats and Warne say out. Clarke says not out.

Twitter and cricket.org are already blowing up.

I don't care to involve myself in this fight - I'm still trying to get over Nigel Llong not giving Nathan Lyon out in Adelaide 2015/16 first innings.
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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Katto » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:46 am

what can be confusing is there is a difference between interpretation of the no ball law and the stumping law

with the no ball law, you don't have to something grounded behind the line for a legal delivery - as long as a part of the foot is behind grounded or not

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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Katto » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:47 am

Paddles wrote:
Yorkshire wrote:That is out even in Pakistan because ONLINE not acceptable


On the line is out - but the benefit of the doubt must go with the batsman.

Slats and Warne say out. Clarke says not out.

Twitter and cricket.org are already blowing up.

I don't care to involve myself in this fight - I'm still trying to get over Nigel Llong not giving Nathan Lyon out in Adelaide 2015/16 first innings.


not in the laws of the game anywhere

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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Paddles » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:52 am

Katto wrote:what can be confusing is there is a difference between interpretation of the no ball law and the stumping law

with the no ball law, you don't have to something grounded behind the line for a legal delivery - as long as a part of the foot is behind grounded or not


Don't know why you're talking about no balls but a bowler doesn't need anything remaining behind the popping crease:

21.5 Fair delivery – the feet

For a delivery to be fair in respect of the feet, in the delivery stride

21.5.1 the bowler’s back foot must land within and not touching the return crease appertaining to his/her stated mode of delivery.

21.5.2 the bowler’s front foot must land with some part of the foot, whether grounded or raised

- on the same side of the imaginary line joining the two middle stumps as the return crease described in 21.5.1, and

- behind the popping crease.


Bowlers' foot can slide forward merrily and its not a no ball.

Benefit of front foot no ball doubt goes in favour of the bowler.
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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Yorkshire » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:57 am

130 for 6 vs india was winning score by Australia in 2014 in the 4 th innings,which should considered rather than 236 in 1951.england certainly miss Specialist spinner in the Australian second innings because Mo not specialist.

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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Yorkshire » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:58 am

To whom it’s concern

Benefit of Doubt should go batsman’s way ON RUN OUT not on Stumping ( RF : mo)

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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Yorkshire » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:59 am

This match might ends @Tie

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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:02 am

Records show the largest winning total achieved at the Gabba on the final day is only 236 back in 1951 by Australia. So imperitive now to get Bairstow. Do not want to be chasing anymore than say 240.
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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Katto » Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:04 am

Paddles wrote:
Katto wrote:what can be confusing is there is a difference between interpretation of the no ball law and the stumping law

with the no ball law, you don't have to something grounded behind the line for a legal delivery - as long as a part of the foot is behind grounded or not


Don't know why you're talking about no balls but a bowler doesn't need anything remaining behind the popping crease:

21.5 Fair delivery – the feet

For a delivery to be fair in respect of the feet, in the delivery stride

21.5.1 the bowler’s back foot must land within and not touching the return crease appertaining to his/her stated mode of delivery.

21.5.2 the bowler’s front foot must land with some part of the foot, whether grounded or raised

- on the same side of the imaginary line joining the two middle stumps as the return crease described in 21.5.1, and

- behind the popping crease.


Bowlers' foot can slide forward merrily and its not a no ball.

Benefit of front foot no ball doubt goes in favour of the bowler.


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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Katto » Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:22 am

looking at this Gabba crowd it seems that everyone in Brisbane looks like a greenskeeper

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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Yorkshire » Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:29 am

Yorkshire wrote:Raja
I can tell Woakes all rounder if he scores 50 runs more or 4 more than Cummins

4th catch by M.O,MATCH Smith End Of Woakes out for 17

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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:39 am

What was Bairstow thinking with a deep point in place precisely for that shot. Is his poor execution the wicket that wins the Baggies this match.
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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Katto » Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:40 am

Ball looks a worse player than Anderson with bat

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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Katto » Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:43 am

:lol: Dar is shocked he had to give that out

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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Katto » Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:44 am

a bag of wickets to Starc in the most average spell he'll ever bowl

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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:53 am

Starc is the go to man when the tail is in. Brute of a ball by Cummo to get the number 10. Baggies need 70 to win the Test match. Will be an intriquing last session.

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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Katto » Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:55 am

Ball is the worst batsmen in this series

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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby bolero » Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:56 am

Ball reminds me a little of Harmison

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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Paddles » Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:57 am

Katto wrote:
Paddles wrote:
On the line is out - but the benefit of the doubt must go with the batsman.

Slats and Warne say out. Clarke says not out.

Twitter and cricket.org are already blowing up.

I don't care to involve myself in this fight - I'm still trying to get over Nigel Llong not giving Nathan Lyon out in Adelaide 2015/16 first innings.


not in the laws of the game anywhere


Despite this being long standing cricketing principle that is used to interpret the laws, subject to official and published ICC directives to the contrary such as happened for the front foot no ball rule:

Rule 31.6 currently states:

31.6 Consultation by umpires

Each umpire shall answer appeals on matters within his/her own jurisdiction. If an umpire is doubtful about any point that the other umpire may have been in a better position to see, he/she shall consult the latter on this point of fact and shall then give the decision. If, after consultation, there is still doubt remaining, the decision shall be Not out.

http://www.languageconnections.com/blog/legal-grammar-rules-and-translation/

So no Katto, it is explicitly in the laws of the game.
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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Katto » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:01 am

Paddles wrote:
Katto wrote:
not in the laws of the game anywhere


Despite this being long standing cricketing principle that is used to interpret the laws, subject to ICC directives to the contrary such as happened for the front foot no ball rule:

Rule 31.6 currently states:

31.6 Consultation by umpires

Each umpire shall answer appeals on matters within his/her own jurisdiction. If an umpire is doubtful about any point that the other umpire may have been in a better position to see, he/she shall consult the latter on this point of fact and shall then give the decision. If, after consultation, there is still doubt remaining, the decision shall be Not out.

http://www.languageconnections.com/blog/legal-grammar-rules-and-translation/

So no Katto, it is explicitly in the laws of the game.


you should be disbarred with that logic

nowhere does it say benefit of the doubt goes to the batsman and this is a DRS situation not an on field consultation

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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Paddles » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:03 am

Yorkshire wrote:To whom it’s concern

Benefit of Doubt should go batsman’s way ON RUN OUT not on Stumping ( RF : mo)


Law 31.6 applies to run out and stumpings both. What good reason do you want to distinguish between the two?
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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Katto » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:04 am

by the way, the BT comm box gave it out and they're all poms

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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Paddles » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:05 am

Katto wrote:
Paddles wrote:
Despite this being long standing cricketing principle that is used to interpret the laws, subject to ICC directives to the contrary such as happened for the front foot no ball rule:

Rule 31.6 currently states:

31.6 Consultation by umpires

Each umpire shall answer appeals on matters within his/her own jurisdiction. If an umpire is doubtful about any point that the other umpire may have been in a better position to see, he/she shall consult the latter on this point of fact and shall then give the decision. If, after consultation, there is still doubt remaining, the decision shall be Not out.

http://www.languageconnections.com/blog/legal-grammar-rules-and-translation/

So no Katto, it is explicitly in the laws of the game.


you should be disbarred with that logic

nowhere does it say benefit of the doubt goes to the batsman and this is a DRS situation not an on field consultation


Dumb dumb, If there is doubt, the decision will be not out - thus the benefit of the doubt has gone with the batsman.

How illogical are you dumb dumb?

Do you really think the THIRD UMPIRE applies a different set of rules to the game for an umpire's referral of a stuimpingappeal? The third umpire is bound by the same rules.

2.1. Run Out, Stumping and Hit Wicket Decisions
a) The on-field umpire shall be entitled to refer an appeal for a run-out, stumping or hit wicket to the
third umpire.
b) An on-field umpire wishing to refer a decision to the third umpire shall signal to the third umpire by
making the shape of a TV screen with his hands.
c) In the case of a referral of a hit wicket or stumping decision, the third umpire shall first check the
fairness of the delivery (fair delivery – the feet or full toss above waist height). If the delivery was not a
fair delivery he shall indicate that the batsman is not out and advise the on-field umpire to signal no ball.
d) If the third umpire decides the batsman is out a red light is displayed; a green light means not-out.
Should the third umpire be temporarily unable to respond, a white light (where available) will remain
illuminated throughout the period of interruption to signify to the onfield umpires that the TV replay
system is temporarily unavailable, in which case the decision will be taken by the on-field umpire. (As an
alternative to the red/green light system and where available, the big replay screen may be used for the
purpose of conveying the third umpire‟s decision.)
e) When reviewing the TV replay(s), if the third umpire believes that the batsman may instead be out by
any other mode of dismissal, beyond that initially consulted upon, he shall initiate the process described
in paragraph 3.3 below as if the batsman has been given not out. This will not count as a Player Review
for the purposes of paragraph 3.5.


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Law 31.6 - benefit of the doubt for an dismissal appeal goes to the batsman
A third umpire call for a run out or stumping is a referral, not a review.

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Postby bolero » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:09 am

My interpretation is some part should be behind the crease.If it's on the line, it's out.

It is totally what the 3rd umpire thinks, if he thinks something is behind the line benefit should be given, then he declares not out, if he feels foot on the line and nothing behind, he will declare out.

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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Katto » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:11 am

Paddles wrote:
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you should be disbarred with that logic

nowhere does it say benefit of the doubt goes to the batsman and this is a DRS situation not an on field consultation


Dumb dumb, If there is doubt, the decision will be not out - thus the benefit of the doubt has gone with the batsman.

How illogical are you dumb dumb?

Do you really think the THIRD UMPIRE applies a different set of rules to the game for an umpire's review of a stuimping? The third umpire is bound by the same rules.


There is no doubt when you have video evidence. You have to make a decision one way or the other.
This only applies for un-sighted on field umpires.

Batsman would only be given not out if the video malfunctioned.

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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Katto » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:12 am

bolero wrote:My interpretation is some part should be behind the crease.If it's on the line, it's out.

It is totally what the 3rd umpire thinks, if he thinks something is behind the line benefit should be given, then he declares not out, if he feels foot on the line and nothing behind, he will declare out.


+ grounded

this is the difference between the no ball law which confuses many

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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby Paddles » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:15 am

Katto wrote:
Paddles wrote:
Dumb dumb, If there is doubt, the decision will be not out - thus the benefit of the doubt has gone with the batsman.

How illogical are you dumb dumb?

Do you really think the THIRD UMPIRE applies a different set of rules to the game for an umpire's review of a stuimping? The third umpire is bound by the same rules.


There is no doubt when you have video evidence. You have to make a decision one way or the other.
This only applies for un-sighted on field umpires.

Batsman would only be given not out if the video malfunctioned.


Dumb dumb, if there was no doubt with video evidence, why did Michael Clarke and a significant number of cricket fans in the UK on twitter opine that there was?

Seriously. Video evidence is regularly giving rise to doubt especially in cricket, but rugby league and many sports.

But for clarity in case you are under some misapprehension, the laws of cricket do not assume nor state that video will remove all doubt. The same laws of cricket apply to the third umpire with regard referred stumping appeals.
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Re: First Ashes Test Australia v England 23/11/2017.

Postby bolero » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:27 am

Katto wrote:
bolero wrote:My interpretation is some part should be behind the crease.If it's on the line, it's out.

It is totally what the 3rd umpire thinks, if he thinks something is behind the line benefit should be given, then he declares not out, if he feels foot on the line and nothing behind, he will declare out.


+ grounded

this is the difference between the no ball law which confuses many


Yup, grounded in case of stumping.If foot is at an angle to the ground, slanted, any part that is grounded behind line even a centimeter, it is not out.