India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:01 pm

bolero wrote:India have a lot of bits and pieces cricketers now.

Jadhav - batsman who can bowl.
Pandya - Bowler who can bat.
KKD Karthik - ODI specialist.
Axar- Bowler who can bat.


Pandya is going much better than bits and pieces. He's one of the form odi allrounders in the world due to his batting form, not just India, and fairly solid with the ball. He'd walk into a lot of teams around the world. Has respectable e/r given all those flat Indian pitches. By the time he finishes I wouldn't be surprised if he's a batsman first and bowler second.

DK has been v good for India this series as well. But may struggle far more abroad.

You realise bits and pieces is a soft slur as against the term all-rounder (or specialist)? Someone who is not quite complete - in any role (or arguably even position). NZ is famous for producing 'em. England too. I think it is exacerbated that on NZ and Eng pitches - at times any trundler can snag some wickets and look a genuine bowling threat.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Boycs » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:26 pm

Bits and pieces can be a derogatory term when it’s used for someone the team is trying to pass off as a genuine all rounder when they aren’t. Or if he is a Bowler say who earns his place because he can also bat a tiny bit and thus keeps out of the team another bowler who is actually better with the ball. I think there was such a debate about an Aussie bowler recently? I admit I used similar arguments against Moeen to begin with.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:07 pm

Boycs wrote:Bits and pieces can be a derogatory term when it’s used for someone the team is trying to pass off as a genuine all rounder when they aren’t. Or if he is a Bowler say who earns his place because he can also bat a tiny bit and thus keeps out of the team another bowler who is actually better with the ball. I think there was such a debate about an Aussie bowler recently? I admit I used similar arguments against Moeen to begin with.


Moeen was bits and pieces in the beginning.

Like I say - NZ and England are famous for 'em.

In tests Straya pick the 4 best bowlers with some spin as the only caveat for most pitches and don't have a prerequisite for #8 to be a handier bat. But their tails are normally quite useful anyway with McGrath bunnies rare. But for 6 and wk - they've had some disillusionment of late.

In odi - Aus can get more experimental at times - but far less so than NZ or Eng. Invariably they don't need 'fill ins' for too long. Aussie fans got pretty fiesty with Watto in the test team, even.

Safrica suffer Berhadien and Phehlukwayo due to the quota. But they don't even bowl Berhadien much - just bat him down the order. ABDV often bowls ahead of him. Phehlukwayo also is right down the order and not often completing his spells in tight games. He is now in the test team with a fc batting average of 20 and bowling of over 36.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:08 pm

Lets have some fun with this;

"Bits n Pieces" cricketer thread opened.

http://www.cricforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=14688
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:23 am

Paddles wrote:
bolero wrote:India have a lot of bits and pieces cricketers now.

Jadhav - batsman who can bowl.
Pandya - Bowler who can bat.
KKD Karthik - ODI specialist.
Axar- Bowler who can bat.


Pandya is going much better than bits and pieces. He's one of the form odi allrounders in the world due to his batting form, not just India, and fairly solid with the ball. He'd walk into a lot of teams around the world. Has respectable e/r given all those flat Indian pitches. By the time he finishes I wouldn't be surprised if he's a batsman first and bowler second.

DK has been v good for India this series as well. But may struggle far more abroad.

You realise bits and pieces is a soft slur as against the term all-rounder (or specialist)? Someone who is not quite complete - in any role (or arguably even position). NZ is famous for producing 'em. England too. I think it is exacerbated that on NZ and Eng pitches - at times any trundler can snag some wickets and look a genuine bowling threat.


Yeah, I know am being harsh on Pandya but didn't mean it as a slur. I am concerned about the stability of the Middle order. As you rightly said, KKD may struggle abroad. This utility cricketer business, I will not use all rounder for Jadhav means that one can't be sure of him performing always. He is a little loose with his shots. Pandya is always loose with his shots, that's the license he has been given. My concern is genuine without any slur intended for all rounders / utility cricketers.

NZ had many of these, Astle, Styris, McMillan, Chris Harris, Larsen. Cairns was a genuine allrounder.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:12 am

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NZ had many of these, Astle, Styris, McMillan, Chris Harris, Larsen. Cairns was a genuine allrounder.



Yeah - thats the common global perception but its not really true for the above named; as Larsen was a world leading ER bowler and Astle has 16 ODI centuries. NZ however started the dribbly drobblies from the very early 90's for which NZ became famous for strangling teams with on slow pitches for which most the guys you name are famed. But they qualified to more than enough World Cup Semi finals and 1 quarter final where Harris scored a famous losing 100 to Australia.

You may as well throw in Oram if you're including these guys who wanted to be a batsman but were often picked as bowling options (himself often used to open the bowling!).

Those guys you named are legends in NZ ODI cricket and bar Macca are all contenders for a NZ ODI ATG (who himself may be in line for the greatest NZ ODI innings of all time but lacked his better test match consistency). He's more of an ODI failed batsmen, despite his talent. You gotta remember that scoring runs on NZ ODI pitches in the 1990s was often a difficult task, and NZ regularly successfully defended sub 200 scores with these attacks. 170 odd was enough more often than it ought to be. While they're flatter and faster now in ODI, in tests there's still enough in them that CDG is a viable test opening bowler vs Safrica! Although Harris should have done a heck of lot more with the bat and possibly fell into bits n pieces at times in his career. But its still a good bowling record even if he wanted to be a batsman. CDG was getting the bits n pieces slur by NZ media this home summer, but he kept taking test wickets.

In NZ - we do bits n pieces right! I raise you ODI bits n pieces batting opener Rod Latham (father of Tom) from the dribbly drobbly outset and present day faster than dribbly Jimmy Neesham.

How about bits n pieces test player Corey Anderson?

Or a non-bowling professional opening bat pinch hitter (pre Greatbatch) Richard Reid (who decided to bat slow on intl duty?!)

Or an ODI Anton Devicich? With a fearsome 17 batting average including 1 50 and a bowling average of 72 (econ at 5.38 tho).

Shane Thomson in tests with a batting average of 30.90 (boosted with over 12% of his runs in one n/o innings) and a bowling average of over 50. Batting average drops to 22.95 in ODI with bowling average down to 38.14 (but er is respectable at 4.53).

The first years of Dipak Patel's international career before he gave up on the batting and focused on his bowling. His overall record still looks horrid mind you averaging 20.68 with bat in tests and 42.05 with ball (and 3 4/fors and 3 5/fors) and 11.75 with bat in odi and 50.24 with ball (at a good 4.17 er).
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:00 am

As for the dribbly drobblies slower than CDG? I think the modern aerial batting approach post T20 aka "big bats" made teams wary of using them extensively. Tho Grant Elliot was bowling with a lot of success for NZ before retirement, but he had a surprise element of being the 6th bowler.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:56 am

Yes, I remember Dipak Patel. We were surprised when NZ opened with him in the 1992 WC against Srikkanth.

He got him out too and the tactic worked. Thats the World Cup when Greatbatch unleashed himself on the opposition.

Martin Crowe was an astute captain. I remember the Rutherfords, I think they were brothers.

Similarly with the Crowes, Martin and Jeff.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:10 am

bolero wrote:Yes, I remember Dipak Patel. We were surprised when NZ opened with him in the 1992 WC against Srikkanth.

He got him out too and the tactic worked. Thats the World Cup when Greatbatch unleashed himself on the opposition.

Martin Crowe was an astute captain. I remember the Rutherfords, I think they were brothers.

Similarly with the Crowes, Martin and Jeff.


Ken was the only Rutherford to play for NZ until his son was playing for NZ in recent years (with about as lil success as his father had). He had a brother Ian in FC who didn't play internationally and was finishing as Ken started. You're doing well to remember him. Ken was largely an international failure, who had delivered so much promise as a youth to be as good as Crowe. Had talent, and look at ease against the best bowlers post his Windies early years, just couldn't string a set of scores together. Not well acclaimed as an astute captain neither.

Yeah Dipak by 1992 was a bowler first and foremost and had given up on the batting side as a first. His bowling from 92 to retirement was actually okay, so you can imagine how horrid it was to begin with. Crowe was tactically great, just sadly unpopular with the NZC powers and media that be. Hadlee wasn't entirely popular either, but Hadlee didn't take his critics head on and in public like Martin did, and of course was not the captain. Passing the captaincy from Crowe to Rutherford was a big error in my opinion.

Greatbatch was Crowe's third attempt at a opener to blast the first 15 overs. He was adamant that the opportunity was there to get more momentum in ODI innings than the 80's typically had. He was right. No surprises that the dibbly dobblies were introduced en masse and flourished under Martin's rise in NZC. "If we cant get another Hadlee - lets play more Coney types"
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Boycs » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:30 am

Why was Crowe unpopular?

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Postby Paddles » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:56 am

Boycs wrote:Why was Crowe unpopular?


Whole multitude of reasons.

http://www.cricketcountry.com/articles/do-you-think-i-am-a-homosexual-martin-crowe-asks-journalist-382937

Start with reading that before reading what I write below. That will give you a sense of the seeds of discontent.

He wanted the winning (and not losing) to continue post Hadlee, so he was very focused on results, and training to get those results. Crowe was a county professional from an young age and developed a huge profile meaning endorsements, most of the team were amateurs. Coney himself was a school teacher. John Reid (80s bat version) retired to commit full time to school teaching. This can lead to all sorts of differences, from those personal to those about training and preparation. Crowe was happy to drop players and experiment with new players and ideas, all in the pursuit of results. He was very forthright and opinionated.

By his own accounts, Crowe was also very hard on himself, if he failed - he wouldn't be the happiest around the dressing room.

If he succeeded and get out to a bad ball - he wouldn't be the happiest.

If he succeeded in saving a test and got out on 299 - he wouldn't be the happiest.

If he succeeded and NZ drew with the Windies, he might be more introspect than some of team mates would want him to be.

Rutherford had talent, didn't realise it or score anywhere near the runs he ought, but was a popular team man who would probably be able to far more readily than Martin laugh about it with the team and have a beer.

Like Hadlee, Crowe was very stats driven and conscious. He played in a team where a lot of players had poor stats.

Crowe also not only challenged orthodoxy, he succeeded when doing it which made many journalists look like fools for their writing before hand. And if you read that article, you will know how forthright and direct Martin could be with the media.

Some of key teammates liked him. Listen to Ian Smith talk about how great Martin Crowe was, so it was by no means ubiquitous. But Smithy had been his vice captain and had been in and out of the NZ team for all of Crowe's tenure including his tumultuous start vs Lillee and Thommo where Martin was brutally sconned. And Smithy had retired a year before by the 92/93 series against Australia. Greatbatch was also a longterm friend of his, one year his junior at the same high school (at least when he entered the NZC team).

Someone once said, it may have been Martin himself, that it was thought he was a fine wine drinker when most the team were beer drinkers. This is NZ. Rugby rules. Don't ever forget that. And our rugby is far more ubiquitous than the 300 year old "public schools". It is our football and rugby in one.

Ironically his best childhood friend from Auckland Grammar was being dropped from the All Blacks in the most pivotal #10 jumper under an Otago coach Grant Fox (Auckland vs Rest of Country esp Rural divide) at the time Martin lost the captaincy. Martin himself was a fine winger for the first XV in one of the most elite Rugby schools in the country (and started having our school boy rugby games televised on pay tv - astute thinker even outside cricket).

To finish, I dare say in today's era he would be fine, or at least less divisive, as long as he just remembered to talk about "the team", and not make a deal of personal milestones. He def cared about the team's results, and got NZC on a cricket wave during the 1992 World Cup, but he also happened to be the player of that tournament. He was off the field when NZ lost from an unlikely losing position to a freak Inzaman Ul Haq innings. Crowe didn't think it would have happened had he been pulling the reigns and not John Wright. John Wright didn't follow his instructions, and he let the public know this. Wright was a traditional orthodox captain, Crowe would change the field, bowler and bowling plan as whim suited him to not let the batsmen settle.

That said I don't think he was Kevin Pieterson stereotype like, he was a captain who wanted NZ to win. He protected his team from an angry crowd in Pakistan - leaving himself and Smithy in the firing line to protect the largely 9 young and newish players who were meant to be fielders (mass exodus and unavailability in NZC after 1990 tour of England* that saw Martin get the captaincy). Germon after Rutherford was chosen as a captain and a keeper behind Parore second. What does that say to the 92 World Cup captain?

The era was not right for him. I think that, even on one leg only, it drove him to an earlier than need be retirement. His career, like his life, was over too soon. Quite sad.

His final match:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/16252/scorecard/64505/India-vs-New-Zealand-5th-ODI-new-zealand-in-india-odi-series/


* When Hadlee retired so too did Snedden and Bracewell. The year earlier Chatfield had retired. Wright declined that tour and resigned the captaincy. Jones was a fixture of all 3 years at that stage and the second senior batsman.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

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Postby bolero » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:24 am

Crowe was a good batsman, played well off both front and back foot. Some match fixing allegations were made against him, I think he was absolved in the end.

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Postby Paddles » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:48 am

bolero wrote:Crowe was a good batsman, played well off both front and back foot. Some match fixing allegations were made against him, I think he was absolved in the end.


I think his form in the 1992 World Cup, not to mention NZ's performances, almost squashed those defamatory allegations alone.

Good is underrating him.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/newzealand/content/story/978067.html

When you spend over 7 years as the best batsman in the world, safe to say you're better than just "good".
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Postby bolero » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:15 am

One thing I remember distinctly is he was a very good player of both fast bowling and spin.

And he led from the front. RIP.

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Postby bolero » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:22 am

The contemporaries who I remember were good batsmen during their time and played at no 3 or no 4 typically were Dean Jones and Dilip Vengsarkar.

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Postby bolero » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:45 am

Vengsarkar was a failure as a captain for the brief time he was skipper. I have met his brother, very simple people. I dont think Dean Jones ever captained Australia, it was Border during his time.

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Postby bolero » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:54 am

Dilip Vengsarkar: The No 1-ranked batsman in the world between 1983 and 1987

Dilip Vengsarkar remains one of the best Indian batsmen of all time. He ran into a phenomenal purple patch between 1983 and 1987, when he was one of the very best in the world.

Dilip Vengsarkar, the man whose willow topped the world according to the ‘computer’, did not fit the Indian perception of a cricketing hero.

No one doubted his utility in the middle-order, few lacked respect for his unstoppable drives in front of the wicket. But, he was way too professional for Indian consumption. He did not strut about larger than life, neither did he enthral the media with his views. After a game, no matter how exhilarating his performance, he wanted to be left alone — often afflicted by a tongue-tied bout of stammering when catapulted into the limelight.

The grandmaster of Indian batting was Sunil Gavaskar, whose exploits had reached legendary proportions — and whose wit, charm and penchant for controversy always kept him ensconced at the top of public imagination. Vengsarkar merely seemed to wander in his august shadow. When Kapil Dev paid him a glittering tribute, the all-rounder called him ‘chhote nawab’ with obvious deference to the bigger royalty [Sunil Gavaskar] among batsmen.

Additionally, the world was full of high and mighty batsmen of captivating style and a clutch of hundreds like Viv Richards, undoubtedly the greatest of the world, Javed Miandad, Allan Border, Gordon Greenidge, David Gower, Martin Crowe and India’s own Mohammad Azharuddin. How could someone, overshadowed by his own teammates, suddenly end up as the best in the world? The ‘computer’ was surely nuts.

The Deloitte’s rankings have since been refined, and have come to be known as ICC Ratings. Dilip Vengsarkar still stands tall as the best batsman of the world when the numbers are regenerated for late 1987.

Yes, the world was teeming with supreme batsmen. Vengsarkar had outperformed them all. From the summer of 1983 till the end of 1987, he had outscored the likes of Gavaskar, Viv Richards and Javed Miandad by a comfortable 15-20 runs per innings!

In the eighties, he was indisputably the premier batsman of India, more prolific and consistent than Gavaskar, Azhar and Mohinder Amarnath. Yet, more often than not, fans showered far more adulation on far lesser players.

It has been said that if David Gower been born Indian and Vengsarkar an Englishman, they would have been national symbols. Gower’s frivolous artistry made him enormously popular in India, but the English viewed him with suspicion. Vengsarkar’s low-key professionalism and ‘introvert’ tag jarred with the Indian image of the superstar, but was the blueprint for English acceptance.

His claims to captaincy were also ignored for many a year before an amazing run with the bat left the selectors little choice.

Somehow, even fate conspired to keep him away from focus. Vengsarkar was a regular in the side for 16 years. Two of the very few matches that he missed turned out to be monumental — the triumphant World Cup final of 1983 and the Tied Test of 1986-87.

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Postby bolero » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:56 am

The batting bulwark

There were some isolated gems during the next few years. In 1982, he blazed away at Lord’s yet again, hitting a spellbinding 157 — an effort akin to that of the boy on the burning deck. At St Johns, Antigua, he hammered Malcolm Marshall, Andy Roberts, Michael Holding and Winston Davis to score 94 from just 103 balls. But, till the winter of 1983, sustained consistency was lacking. Mohinder Amarnath, with his amazing 1982-83 season, displaced him from the No 3 position for a while.

Things started to change when Clive Lloyd’s West Indians travelled to India, ruthless in their quest of wiping out the embarrassment of the World Cup final. Vengsarkar had been struck by a Marshall bouncer during the second group match against West Indies, and had missed the later matches of that epochal tournament. Now, as Marshall tore in and terrorised the Indian batsmen, Holding, Davis and Wayne Daniel in tow, Vengsarkar’s broad blade flashed in defiance. Two hundreds and two fifties resulted as he topped the averages, the superb 159 and 63 at Delhi bettered by a glittering 100 from 135 balls at Bombay. By the end of the series, Clive Lloyd hailed him as one of the best players of pace bowling. Michael Holding remembered him as the most difficult batsman to bowl to. Vengsarkar was re-established as the Indian No 3.

In 1984-85, David Gower’s Englishmen visited India, and Azhar zoomed into the cricketing horizons in the wake of a blazing trail of runs. Vengsarkar suffered a few low scores, before coming good with 137 at Kanpur, guiding the young man to his record third hundred on the trot.

Vengsarkar was one of the pillars of the triumph in the Benson Hedges Mini World Cup of 1985, his collaboration with Kapil Dev pulling India out of their most perilous corner against New Zealand in the semi-finals.

With the riches in the middle in the form of Amarnath, Azhar and Vengsarkar, the team looked for an optimal batting order. Vengsarkar volunteered for No. 4, where he stayed till the end of his career. He had been successful at one drop, but as he moved one place down the order his sequence of scores took off in almost Bradmanesque fashion. There were useful knocks in Sri Lana and Australia, but the amazing run started when India toured England in 1986.

The purple patch

A third consecutive hundred came at Lord’s, an unprecedented feat by a visiting batsman. It was a superb display of controlled aggression as India won in England for the first time in 15 years.

The next match was the famous Leeds affair, where every bowler turned a demon under the cloudy skies. The ball darted around, no one else managed more than 36. Vengsarkar scored 61 and 102*.

Back home, his prime form continued. The Australians were hammered for an unbeaten 164 at Bombay. The Sri Lankans were defeated at Nagpur and Cuttack, Vengsarkar hitting 157 and 166, the last knock his career-best — scored on the most treacherous of surfaces. When Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, Abdul Qadir and Tauseef Ahmed came along, Vengsarkar scored fluently throughout the winter, starting with 96 at Madras, toting up 109 at Ahmedabad and ending with a fantastic 50 on a viciously underprepared track of Bangalore. Clive Lloyd had dubbed him as one of the best against pace. Now, Ashok Mankad, that most astute of cricketing minds, proclaimed him as the best player of spin.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:19 pm

Vengasarkar was a magnificent test player in the mid 80s with big scores in India's 86 triumph in England. Didn't reach those heights in Australia, WI or NZ, but at home he was a colossus, and contributed to the Home Fortress India Siege with his batting exploits.

Dean Jones was a gun in ODI but less so in tests. He scored that famous dbl century in India in 1986, but he was less relied upon and trusted by teammates, fans, selectors and opposition in tests whereas in ODI cricket, he was probably the critical Aussie wicket. He run fast between the wickets, hustled at all times like cricketers weren't doing in ODI then, and was a very strong fielder. Versus Australia in tests it was get Border (maybe at the end of his career it was get Boon as well), but in ODI - it was get Jones. Jones still found opportunities to shine in tests, like a dead rubber in Adelaide to lay down a dbl century.

I just saw that Jones' best year was 1989 - but that Ashes tour he was overshadowed by Steve Waugh's comming of age and Taylor's ashes success.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Boycs » Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:30 am

Is that the double where he had to be on a drip after?

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:09 am

Boycs wrote:Is that the double where he had to be on a drip after?


India (Chennai) was that dbl, not WI at Adelaide.

AB was egging him on during the innings "well retire then... We'll get someone tough out here. A Queenslander".
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby mukeshkr » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:28 am

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:56 am

Green Park. Must be a flat deck.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:22 am

Far too much short wide rubbish from NZ today so far.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:43 am

Ugh

Southee and Milne look very replacable.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby raja » Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:37 am

Not surprised tht BCCI have got so many.
Right now they're red-hot in ODIs, esp at home.
That defeat in the first ODI to NZ was an aberration.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:40 am

raja wrote:Not surprised tht BCCI have got so many.
Right now they're red-hot in ODIs, esp at home.
That defeat in the first ODI to NZ was an aberration.


Any loss to NZ by BCCI is an aberration.

Thats 50 odi true to form wins and 44 aberrations now.

Guptil and KW are due and prolly reqd to score big if NZ doesn 't want to lose another odi series in India.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:20 pm

Munro 18(4) - looks like he had his wheaties.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:25 pm

I think NZ will win this. India around 40 runs short.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:43 pm

bolero wrote:I think NZ will win this. India around 40 runs short.


Depends if KW (or Munro) is in at the 30th over with a good number of wickets in hand. Nicolls does not fill me with confidence or even optimism (he can sweep spin well tho).

I think a NZ batting collapse is just as likely as a good chase.

I'd love a Munro hundred - he's better entertainment than Maxwell when he gets going. Bold claim it may seem but I'm serious (but can be just as frustrating if not more).
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Sun Oct 29, 2017 1:17 pm

50 for Manu off 38.

KW looks solid with 31(32)

NZ 98/1 after 14.

Spinners on for India.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Sun Oct 29, 2017 1:23 pm

Manu is looking right at home against the spinners so far.

NZ 110-1 after 16.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby raja » Sun Oct 29, 2017 2:49 pm

What a spell by Chahal!

One BCCI bowler always seems to put his hand up when the chips are down. Whether it's Bumrah or Kuldeep Yadav, or, in this case, Chahal.

Good fight by NZ but I can't them see them win this.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby raja » Sun Oct 29, 2017 2:56 pm

And Bumrah turning it on too.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby raja » Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:03 pm

91 required off 60.
Too much of an ask.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby raja » Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:04 pm

And Taylor goes!

That could be the end of this spirited chase.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby raja » Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:08 pm

Is Henry Nicholls a left-handed, poor man's Ajinkya Rahane?

He's got an ODI SR of 72. Come on!
And he's batting at no.6 today, coming in when NZ need over 9 an over.

Doesn't NZ have anyone better?

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby raja » Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:23 pm

55 required off 36.
Too much of an ask.
Anyway, well played, NZ.
At least you gave BCCI a fright!

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby raja » Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:43 pm

Bumrah is winning this for BCCI.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby raja » Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:49 pm

Latham run out. Game over.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:04 pm

India win the ODI series against NZ. Well played NZ. Heart goes out to the players.

Latham played very well. Another in a long list of left handlers to torment Indian team.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:05 pm

Indian team does have lot of weaknesses although they have been winning series after series. Here I felt 350 was minimum considering Indian attack. Was proven right.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:11 pm

Bhuvaneshwar and Pandya were hammered very badly.

And Jadhav was told to bowl a negative line to Williamson by Dhoni.

That's the difference between Dhoni and Kohli. Dhoni is very negative and tries to restrict, Kohli goes for wickets. As Kohli is in the outfield Dhoni becomes acting captain.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby raja » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:28 pm

Was a good game - Bumrah won it for BCCI in the end.
He's ranked No.6 in the world right now but I think he deserves to be ranked higher.
Almost always comes through in crunch games.
Not sure this gets reflected in rankings.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:31 pm

Yes. Bumrah. He reminds me so much of Malinga.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:32 pm

Only Malinga looked fearsome with his dreadlocks, Bumrah is a simple guy.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:34 pm

Kohli admits India were 25 to 30 runs short and 360 was on the cards.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:42 pm

I was missing Amit Mishra a lot. Chahal is making me miss him less. Chahal admits Mishra is his mentor but he adores Warne.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:33 pm

Ugh.
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