India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:01 pm

India 202/3 and well ahead. Will take a Guppy or a magical innings by someone to chase this.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:05 pm

bolero wrote:Fielding has been clumsy. I agree with Paddles, Southees place in the side is questionable.


Yups - sole highlight for NZ in the field was Sodhi's bowling. This is bittersweet cos I was both disappointed and surprised he didn't play the odis.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:06 pm

Nope I think India a little short. Dew would work against India. 20 runs short I think. NZ is a good team.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:08 pm

bolero wrote:Nope I think India a little short. Dew would work against India. 20 runs short I think. NZ is a good team.


India has 6 bowlers and NZ has Niccols at 6, and CDG has not played a winning knock yet and he's batting 7. CDG will one day play a winner I hope.

This will take some chasing. RRR by the time he's in may be too high for Latham even despite his form at 5.

One of NZ top 4 going big is critical to NZs winning chances.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby raja » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:36 pm

BCCI players do well in T20Is, not cos they're playing for their country, but cos they're playing without pressure.
They are under much more pressure during the IPL, where their franchisees, paying them huge sums, expect results.
When they're playing for India, no such pressure.
They can afford to play their shots more freely.
Even if they fail, nobody is going to make a big deal about it.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:37 pm

Latham ahead of Bruce at 2 wickets down. All India so far.

Only one team in it so far.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:43 pm

After 5 overs the RRR is a touch below 12 runs an over.

Barring a KW or Bruce miracle - this looks over.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:55 pm

Nehra bowling junk as expected

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:00 pm

bolero wrote:Nehra bowling junk as expected


Who is the likely replacement in games 2 and 3 for him?
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:16 pm

Bruce out for 10.

NZ 83/4 and facing a big loss.

CDG ahead of Niccolls. KW praying?
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:20 pm

Paddles wrote:
bolero wrote:Nehra bowling junk as expected


Who is the likely replacement in games 2 and 3 for him?


Spinner perhaps

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:20 pm

CDG playing an atrocious stroke.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:22 pm

Shreyas Iyer throwing down the stumps couple of times conceding overthrows. Kohli fuming instead of praising him. Perceiving a threat?

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:25 pm

Kohli laughing at Iyers misfield.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:28 pm

Latham has let this run rate get out of control.

Niccolls another failure.

NZ have some t20 thinking to do before the tri series post Ashes.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:28 pm

This team has lot of good fielders. Iyer is also a top class fielder. Nehra is the only passenger.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:30 pm

Haha one of the commentators calling Nehra old tired legs. Is it Hussey or Styris?

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:56 pm

bolero wrote:Haha one of the commentators calling Nehra old tired legs. Is it Hussey or Styris?


Hussey hasn't commentated today.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:57 pm

bolero wrote:This team has lot of good fielders. Iyer is also a top class fielder. Nehra is the only passenger.

He's retired now. :lmao:
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:58 pm

Okay - question time - can you name a bowler worse than Nehra with a stadium end named after them?
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:08 pm

Answer is no. He doesn't deserve such a McGrath like farewell

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:15 pm

Frees up a spot for Zaheer to make a belated return to t20 to fill India's old leftie quota.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:37 pm

Next T20 at Rajkot. Run feast again.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby raja » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:08 pm

NZ 73/0 after 9.2.
Not good enough - really need to step on it now.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby raja » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:09 pm

This is Rajkot - so any score of less than 300 isn't going to be enough for NZ.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:10 pm

Mohammed Siraj making his debut. He has had a bad debut.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:29 pm

Looks like 270 on the cards.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:30 pm

NZ is racing away to a win.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:04 pm

Munro again hammered Indian bowling. India dropped many catches 2 off Munro and missed easy run out. Siraj was hammered on debut.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:05 pm

Mumro continues his success against Asian teams with a good hundred.

NZ 197 - and Guptil was atypically laborious for his 40 odd.

Southee droped - for Milne.

Latham dropped - but Philips did not get to bat. He is keeping.

Munro says score is only about par and the NZ bowlers have work to do.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:32 pm

Watching a shocking Sreesanth interview where he says many fixers were left off and he was made a scapegoat

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:32 pm

He is on TV right now.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:43 pm

Your man Shreyas has started well - 14(6).
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby raja » Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:44 pm

I think NZ missed a trick while batting.

196 is just a decent (but not safe) score, considering how they were placed when Williamson got out (140/2 after 14.2).

Teams need to think T20 while batting. They have TEN wickets and only 20 overs to bat.

So after 14 overs, when they're just one wicket down, they have only 36 deliveries and NINE wickets in hand.

Need to be able to get more than 56 off the 34 that Munro-Bruce got.

Not taking anything away from Munro - it was a fine knock, but just saying 196 should have been 210.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:49 pm

raja wrote:I think NZ missed a trick while batting.

196 is just a decent (but not safe) score, considering how they were placed when Williamson got out (140/2 after 14.2).

Teams need to think T20 while batting. They have TEN wickets and only 20 overs to bat.

So after 14 overs, when they're just one wicket down, they have only 36 deliveries and NINE wickets in hand.

Need to be able to get more than 56 off the 34 that Munro-Bruce got.

Not taking anything away from Munro - it was a fine knock, but just saying 196 should have been 210.


I agree with your sentiment, Munro was trying and some days he gets records for 6s and strike rate milestones, but I actually think Guptil's innings is where runs were lost.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby raja » Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:54 pm

Oh yes, Guptill's innings was not at all T20 worthy. Was more like a Trahane innings. :-)

And yet, NZ were at 10 an over after 14. Says a lot abt how well Munro batted.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby raja » Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:59 pm

Paddles wrote:Your man Shreyas has started well - 14(6).

Bolero is a big fan of Shreyas - and I would be too, if he didn't play for Mumbai. :grin:
I've a chip on my shoulder when it comes to Mumbai cricket and Mumbai cricketers.
They've thoroughly dominated Indian cricket right from the 1930s - so it's "tall poppy syndrome" for me. :grin:

Nothing personal, bolero. :-) I know you're a hardcore Mumbai fan, being a Mumbaikar. You know some cricketers personally too, right?

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:00 pm

Paddles wrote:Your man Shreyas has started well - 14(6).


Thanks man. Watching the Sreesanth interview. He is not taking names but saying Indian and international players involved. He is basically saying he was made the scapegoat

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby raja » Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:02 pm

Kohli is making this look very easy.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby raja » Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:04 pm

Kohli has a 54 average in T20Is!!!
Wow!
When did that happen?
I had no clue!
I knew about his Test and ODI averages but didn't realise he had such an unbelievable T20I average too.
Far harder in T20s, given the risks you take as a batsman.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby raja » Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:06 pm

Shreyas Iyer goes.
23 off 21.
An innings that Rahane would've been proud of. :-)

Sorry, bolero, just trolling you a bit. Hope you don't mind. :-)

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:07 pm

raja wrote:
Paddles wrote:Your man Shreyas has started well - 14(6).

Bolero is a big fan of Shreyas - and I would be too, if he didn't play for Mumbai. :grin:
I've a chip on my shoulder when it comes to Mumbai cricket and Mumbai cricketers.
They've thoroughly dominated Indian cricket right from the 1930s - so it's "tall poppy syndrome" for me. :grin:

Nothing personal, bolero. :-) I know you're a hardcore Mumbai fan, being a Mumbaikar. You know some cricketers personally too, right?


Boss, if you don't support Iyers, who will? Forget the Mumbai connection.

Just joking.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby raja » Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:08 pm

Santner!!!

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby raja » Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:10 pm

bolero wrote:
raja wrote:Bolero is a big fan of Shreyas - and I would be too, if he didn't play for Mumbai. :grin:
I've a chip on my shoulder when it comes to Mumbai cricket and Mumbai cricketers.
They've thoroughly dominated Indian cricket right from the 1930s - so it's "tall poppy syndrome" for me. :grin:

Nothing personal, bolero. :-) I know you're a hardcore Mumbai fan, being a Mumbaikar. You know some cricketers personally too, right?


Boss, if you don't support Iyers, who will? Forget the Mumbai connection.

Just joking.

:lmao:

I guess the Mumbai hate is stronger than the Iyer love. :lmao:

The pain of the 1970s when the juggernaut of Gavaskar, Parkar, Mankad and Vengsarkar used to roll over other sides has left a permanent psychological scar. :-)

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:15 pm

Yeah, it was too lopsided those days. These days all teams are equally good. It's not like Australia VS Zimbabwe.

Ranji has become competitive

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:15 pm

Sodhi is getting far more turn than the pitch seemed to offer when BCCI bowled.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:21 pm

Kohli is in top gear here. Looks like him vs NZ and he's taking it personally.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:23 pm

Philips misses a stumping of Dhoni to a Sodhi leggie that turned square.

This pitch looks nasty when Sodhi bowls.

Dhoni replies with a 6.
Law 31.6 - benefit of the doubt for an dismissal appeal goes to the batsman
A third umpire call for a run out or stumping is a referral, not a review.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:28 pm

Middle order depth of Indian team being exposed horribly as I expected.