India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby mukeshkr » Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:50 am

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:30 am

I'd be surprised if India doesn't win the t20 in a canter despite NZ being #1 unless a couple of freak NZ batsman innings occur - Guptil, Bruce, Munro as leading candidates. Philips maybe if he plays. Even KW. I think NZ will be cooked after going so close for so lil in the odi series.

Hope I'm wrong. IPL contracts are great motivators, and money talks. So let's see.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:48 am

I really liked the way the NZ players fought. Impressed with Munro and Latham in particular. I believe victory in 3rd ODI was within grasp.

And NZ bowling attack is very good. NZ have always been an above average and very competitive ODI team who can beat anyone on a given day. Only the big events have eluded the side.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:01 pm

bolero wrote:I really liked the way the NZ players fought. Impressed with Munro and Latham in particular. I believe victory in 3rd ODI was within grasp.

And NZ bowling attack is very good. NZ have always been an above average and very competitive ODI team who can beat anyone on a given day. Only the big events have eluded the side.


Pretty sure NZs world cup record at home in NZ is the best in the world. Only two lost games. NZ won't ever get to host a final it seems.

NZ's World Cup matches won record overall is behind Straya - but its much much higher than most people think. NZ has made 7 semi finals, and further 1 quarter final. Only Australia matches (and of course surpasses) this level of consistency. But South Africa are of course disadvantaged not debuting until 1992.

NZ does not punch above its weight in cricket as much as people may like to believe. NZ is fairly consistent in performances. There are times the NZ team is just not that good and outclassed by opposition. These seem to linger longer in the memories of neutrals. And there are times that the NZ side is good, better than it is given credit for. These seem to be swiftly forgotten. It appears to me that some teams just over estimate how good they think themselves and history to be and underestimate that of NZ's. NZ normally puts a useful team out for World Cups.

Of the non Asian teams: NZ has a good home record against Australia in ODI. South Africa though is not a highlight for NZC fans. Of course Australian fans would say NZ lifts for these games when they mean little to Australia.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:53 pm

Keen to see Shreyas Iyer in the T20's.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby squarecut » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:28 am

I had stopped watching the match after New Zealand reached 300. Indian death bowlers subsequently held their nerve (helped by fielders) and managed to snatch a win that looked like lost. Old generation BCCI teams (viz teams where Ravi Shashtri used to play) would have lost from that situation. Having experienced many such heartbreaks in the past, it makes for a nice change to see that this BCCI team has developed a ruthlessness that was missing from their predecessors.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:35 pm

Squarecut,

Few observations. As I earlier said India looked a little short when 350-355 looked like a par score. Looked like 20-25 runs short. As Kohli said later, India were indeed short and ball started to grip and hold in last 5 overs which made scoring difficult.

Later helped by dew factor, ball came on nicely to the bat and NZ were able to score easily making India's total vulnerable and eminently chaseable.

Indian bowlers Bhuvi and Pandya struggled and were smashed around meaning India had to count on Bumrah and Chahal and had to use overs judiciously.

Latham's runout changed the complexion of the game.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby raja » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:33 am

I don't follow international T20, so I have no clue about performances and rankings in that format.
Read recently that David Miller blasted his way to the fastest international T20 hundred.

I think I might just start taking interest in international T20s. At least a passing interest.
It looks like the one format where BCCI might not dominate quite as convincingly.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Boycs » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:41 am

Along with overseas tests :P

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:33 am

Boycs wrote:Along with overseas tests :P


And ODI's :lol:

But seriously dominate? WI dominated in the 1980s. Straya if anyone dominate crickets international history. India wins and rarely loses at home. Thats not dominating. Thats NZ cricket in the 1980s (minus a test series win in Straya and any home test series losses).

India only has a positive odi record after 100 matches against any nation against SL and NZ - and its record with NZ is 51-44. It is still behind the Windies and far behind Pakistan and Straya. Its never won a single test series in Safrica or Straya.

What formats if not T20 has BCCI dominated?

I understand National pride and I'm all for it - but as a keen cricket fan I just don't seem to get all this BCCI dominate cricket played on the pitch talk.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Boycs » Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:01 am

Never won in Australia? Really?

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:05 am

Boycs wrote:Never won in Australia? Really?

Nor in Safrica. Really.

I did watch BCCI win a t20 series in Straya recently though where Straya rested all its top seamers, as well as the top seamer replacements. BCCI t20 history seems to be stronger than its test history but even then the word dominate seems a stretch to me.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:22 am

Pakistan's record against India has been dreadful in World Cup events.

1992 Sydney India beats Pakistan by 43 runs.
1996 Bangalore India beats Pakistan by 39 runs.
1999 Manchester India beats Pakistan by 47 runs. -
2003 Centurion India beats Pakistan by 6 wickets. -
2007 Durban World T20 India beats Pakistan in Super Over.
2007 Johannesburg World T20 India beats Pakistan by 5 runs.
2011 Mohali India beats pakistan by 29 runs.
2012 Colombo WorldT20 India beats Pakistan by 8 wickets.
2014 Mirpur WorldT20 India beats Pakistan by 7 wickets.
2015 Adelaide India beats pakistan by 76 runs.
2016 Kolkata WorldT20 India beats Pakistan by 6 wickets.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:26 am

bolero wrote:Pakistan's record against India has been dreadful in World Cup events.

1992 Sydney India beats Pakistan by 43 runs.
1996 Bangalore India beats Pakistan by 39 runs.
1999 Manchester India beats Pakistan by 47 runs. -
2003 Centurion India beats Pakistan by 6 wickets. -
2007 Durban World T20 India beats Pakistan in Super Over.
2007 Johannesburg World T20 India beats Pakistan by 5 runs.
2011 Mohali India beats pakistan by 29 runs.
2012 Colombo WorldT20 India beats Pakistan by 8 wickets.
2014 Mirpur WorldT20 India beats Pakistan by 7 wickets.
2015 Adelaide India beats pakistan by 76 runs.
2016 Kolkata WorldT20 India beats Pakistan by 6 wickets.


Why are you including t20 in World Cup talk?

Theres only one Cricket World Cup. Its the odi format. The WorldT20 is a different event. It is also of course a different format.

And I get you don't like Pakistan - but India's odi overall history to it is still far behind Pakistan. And if you starting with 1992 - thats one away world cup win for Pakistan and 0 away world cup wins for India.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:30 am

Paddles , I dont care about history. India had a poor team under fixer Azhar in the 90's. Against Pak, India's World Cup Record has been exemplary and Terroristan has been thrashed so brutally, scars have not healed.

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Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:34 am

bolero wrote:Paddles , I dont care about history. India had a poor team under fixer Azhar in the 90's. Against Pak, India's World Cup Record has been exemplary and Terroristan has been thrashed so brutally, scars have not healed.


Thats your prerogative - but its a stretch to claim BCCI has dominated Pakistan in ODI. BCCIs far behind on the scoreboard to begin with.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:35 am

India plays its 'A' game in the World Cup and the players rise above their capabilities.

I remember Imran Khan of Pakistan once said in 1989 / 1990 that playing against India is ' jihad ' (holy war).

So be it. Every World Cup India waits for Pakistan meeting.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:36 am

Pakistan has never beaten India in World Cups , never ever. The other matches are immaterial.

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Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:42 am

bolero wrote:Pakistan has never beaten India in World Cups , never ever. The other matches are immaterial.


So BCCI has dominated Pakistan in World Cup matches despite its greater negative record to Pakistan overall, notwithstanding I still don't see how BCCI has dominated the format given its away from home results, in either world cups or bilateral or any series type.

As a keen cricket fan, it all seems vastly nationalistic pride and bias, and not a fair assessment of the results on the pitch.
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Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:48 am

As a NZC fan I watch Australia thrash NZ in tests and complain that their team is one of the weakest ever cos it lost in England and Sri Lanka, and I watch BCCI lose in NZ and Aus, in both tests and odi and their fans claim they dominate the sport. I don't get it.

I simply do not get BCCI dominating cricket on the pitch talk given their away record even if you exclude Pakistan outside World Cup matches from the debate.

I will be interested in the tone of such talk during and after the BCCI tour of quota restricted South Africa.

It will take BCCI winning in all parts, including SA and Aus and especially beating NZ far more regularly, before international cricket fans doth their cap and say - "Yips - these guys dominate the game".
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:58 am

Paddles wrote:
bolero wrote:Pakistan has never beaten India in World Cups , never ever. The other matches are immaterial.


So BCCI has dominated Pakistan in World Cup matches despite its greater negative record to Pakistan overall, notwithstanding I still don't see how BCCI has dominated the format given its away from home results, in either world cups or bilateral or any series type.

As a keen cricket fan, it all seems vastly nationalistic pride and bias, and not a fair assessment of the results on the pitch.


Ask any Indian and Pakistani, its the World Cup that matters. And you keep harping about away from home against Pakistan in ODI's, please see results after 1998. Toronto , India won 4-1, India won all World Cup Matches away from home against Pakistan.

I dont care what happened in 70's, 80's or 90's. Everybody has their plusses and minuses. India was poor away from home and is improving. After 2000 under Ganguly and then Dravid, India started winning overseas which was not the case under fixer Azhar who led poor teams playing abroad.

Likewise India plays its A game at World Cups and has won 2 World Cups whereas Saffers and NZ are yet to win any World Cup.

Just saying.

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Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:01 am

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Paddles wrote:
So BCCI has dominated Pakistan in World Cup matches despite its greater negative record to Pakistan overall, notwithstanding I still don't see how BCCI has dominated the format given its away from home results, in either world cups or bilateral or any series type.

As a keen cricket fan, it all seems vastly nationalistic pride and bias, and not a fair assessment of the results on the pitch.


Ask any Indian and Pakistani, its the World Cup that matters. And you keep harping about away from home against Pakistan in ODI's, please see results after 1998. Toronto , India won 4-1, India won all World Cup Matches away from home against Pakistan.

I dont care what happened in 70's, 80's or 90's. Everybody has their plusses and minuses. India was poor away from home and is improving. After 2000 under Ganguly and then Dravid, India started winning overseas which was not the case under fixer Azhar who led poor teams playing abroad.

Likewise India plays its A game at World Cups and has won 2 World Cups whereas Saffers and NZ are yet to win any World Cup.

Just saying.


None of this is dominate (which includes winning away from home talk) talk. Australia has FOUR World Cup away wins. WI has two World Cup away wins. India has ONE. One. The same as Pakistan. The same as Sri Lanka. So you tell me - who is dominating?
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Postby bolero » Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:01 am

Winning World Cup requires a certain temperament , that is why Australia has been no 1 and consistently winning World Cups, next in line as per the stats are India and the Windies (the team of Lloyd / Richards).

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Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:02 am

bolero wrote:Winning World Cup requires a certain temperament , that is why Australia has been no 1 and consistently winning World Cups, next in line as per the stats are India and the Windies (the team of Lloyd / Richards).


No - the Windies won two away and dominated cricket during this period by the their second win in 1979. To even compare try to compare BCCI dominating to the great Windies team to a neutral is an absolute farce and not at all supported by the stats.
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Postby bolero » Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:03 am

India has 2 World Cup wins in 1983 and 2011.

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Postby bolero » Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:03 am

Fact remains that NZ has not won a World Cup, so also South Africa and England.

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bolero wrote:India has 2 World Cup wins in 1983 and 2011.


Pretty sure 2011 was at home.

And not to mention, pretty sure WI was the dominant team in the 1980s including 1983 despite India's "upset" win.

If you really think that BCCI has ever dominated cricket like the Windies did in the late 70's and 80's, then this conversation is going nowhere.
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bolero wrote:Fact remains that NZ has not won a World Cup, so also South Africa and England.


And the fact remains India has only won one world away from home like Sri Lanka and Pakistan and trails WI and Australia in away world cup wins.

How is this dominating?
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Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:08 am

bolero wrote:Fact remains that NZ has not won a World Cup, so also South Africa and England.


Neither have Zimbabwe, Canada, Kenya, Bangladesh, or Afghanistan won a cricket world cup, but their fans don't make dominate the format claims.
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Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:11 am

Like I say, BCCI has to start winning away from home in test series and World Cups if not billaterals for the cricket fans internationally to say "yips - these guys dominate the formats". In the past 40 years, I see WI having achieved that, and Straya, not BCCI.
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Postby bolero » Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:11 am

I never made dominate the ODI format claims. You kept on needling the Indian team and their poor record against Pak, so posted some facts.

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Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:13 am

bolero wrote:I never made dominate the ODI format claims. You kept on needling the Indian team and their poor record against Pak, so posted some facts.


BCCI does have a poor overall record against Pakistan. That is a fact. You can limit it to outside World Cups if you like. I still say BCCI does not dominate the format. If you take no issue with that, then my riposte to raja is still on foot.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:18 am

Bolero, I sincerely am a cricket fan first and foremost, and take an interest in Indo-Pak politics after when I post on here.

NZ is not directly affected by Indo-Pak politics and I adore the game of cricket, like you, like raja, like Boycs and many of our keen cricket fans.

Please do not think I am needling Indians with Pakistan discussion outside of the cricket sphere. I understand there is politics outside of cricket. I'm not completely ignorant. But don't doubt my passion and love for the game of cricket as Indo-Pak politics.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:19 am

Paddles wrote:
bolero wrote:I never made dominate the ODI format claims. You kept on needling the Indian team and their poor record against Pak, so posted some facts.


BCCI does have a poor overall record against Pakistan. That is a fact. You can limit it to outside World Cups if you like. I still say BCCI does not dominate the format. If you take no issue with that, then my riposte to raja is still on foot.


I agree with outside the World Cups. In World Cups, Pakistan has a disastrous record against India having lost all the encounters , home / away / whatever.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:16 pm

NZ to bowl first and sport the popular beige colours.

From the odi team: Milne dropped for Sodhi (NZ finally play a 2nd spinner) but somehow Southee is retained. Taylor is not part of NZT20 - much to his own dismay.

Niccolls has been retained and will bat at 6 with Bruce batting at 4. I think its harsh on Bruce to bat so high BUT it does give him a better opportunity to claim the #6 odi spot from Niccolls. Hopefully he's a glass half full guy.

Southee's continued selection is starting to irk more than a few NZC fans, and bar 1 test day 5 effort vs Pakistan has done stuff all since the World Cup in 2015. He's overdue if he wants to prove he's good enough to continue to be a front line selection.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:31 pm

Is Shreyas Iyer playing? I am not following the match.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:39 pm

Santner's poor hands woes dropping catches continues.

He drops too many catches to be hood and is quickly becomming the worst NZ fielder.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:41 pm

bolero wrote:Is Shreyas Iyer playing? I am not following the match.

Yes batting at 4. BCCi is bowler heavy with Pandya 6th bowling option.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:42 pm

Paddles wrote:Bolero, I sincerely am a cricket fan first and foremost, and take an interest in Indo-Pak politics after when I post on here.

NZ is not directly affected by Indo-Pak politics and I adore the game of cricket, like you, like raja, like Boycs and many of our keen cricket fans.

Please do not think I am needling Indians with Pakistan discussion outside of the cricket sphere. I understand there is politics outside of cricket. I'm not completely ignorant. But don't doubt my passion and love for the game of cricket as Indo-Pak politics.


Thanks for clarifying. Also let me clarify, it is not because of politics that India doesn't play Pakistan. A lot of Indians have died at the hands of terrorists directly supported by the Pakistani establishment. Pakistanis have also been involved in terrorism worldwide, San Bernardino, London tube attacks 2005, Bali nightclub attack (many Australians were killed and the terrorists were hiding in Pak). I understand you are not aware of the gravity of the situation as NZ has not been directly affected by the jihadis . (I pray sincerely that your country remains safe). The worlds most wanted Osama Bin Laden was killed in Pakistan. Sri Lankan players were attacked by terrorists due to which cricketers refused to tour the country.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:46 pm

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bolero wrote:Is Shreyas Iyer playing? I am not following the match.

Yes batting at 4. BCCi is bowler heavy with Pandya 6th bowling option.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:48 pm

bolero wrote:
Paddles wrote:Bolero, I sincerely am a cricket fan first and foremost, and take an interest in Indo-Pak politics after when I post on here.

NZ is not directly affected by Indo-Pak politics and I adore the game of cricket, like you, like raja, like Boycs and many of our keen cricket fans.

Please do not think I am needling Indians with Pakistan discussion outside of the cricket sphere. I understand there is politics outside of cricket. I'm not completely ignorant. But don't doubt my passion and love for the game of cricket as Indo-Pak politics.


Thanks for clarifying. Also let me clarify, it is not because of politics that India doesn't play Pakistan. A lot of Indians have died at the hands of terrorists directly supported by the Pakistani establishment. Pakistanis have also been involved in terrorism worldwide, San Bernardino, London tube attacks 2005, Bali nightclub attack (many Australians were killed and the terrorists were hiding in Pak). I understand you are not aware of the gravity of the situation as NZ has not been directly affected by the jihadis . (I pray sincerely that your country remains safe). The worlds most wanted Osama Bin Laden was killed in Pakistan. Sri Lankan players were attacked by terrorists due to which cricketers refused to tour the country.


That's politics.

Terrorism is a political issue. War is a political issue. Its not cricket. It is politics.

I'm more aware of global politics than you may think, but I'm here to talk cricket, not Pak-UK/USA assistance nor Pak related terrorism nor Indo-Russia relations.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:56 pm

They are interconnected. The country and their leadership is responsible for killing your countrymen. Why would you want to play games with them?

Anyway you are entitled to your opinion.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:57 pm

Southee now drops a sitter. First I recall. Terrible fielding. India on top.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:35 pm

NZ under the pump here. India looking good for a score over 200.

147-0 with a bowler heavy line up.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:54 pm

Wow - just saw a totally crap review decision go against NZ. You will hear more about this decision it was that bad.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:55 pm

India around 30 runs short.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:56 pm

Paddles wrote:Wow - just saw a totally crap review decision go against NZ. You will hear more about this decision it was that bad.


He was given out.

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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:56 pm

Okay - its just been remedied via NZ fielding review after umpire review.

The 3rd umpire got the umpire review totally wrong.

This was appalling umpiring both on field and even more so by the 3rd umpire. Has 0 bearing on the game - but these umpires have embarrassed themselves totally.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby Paddles » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:57 pm

bolero wrote:
Paddles wrote:Wow - just saw a totally crap review decision go against NZ. You will hear more about this decision it was that bad.


He was given out.


On the drs field review but not on the Umpire review after a soft out signal.

The not out on the umpire review is inexplicable and Choudry will no doubt have a please explain.
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Re: India V/s New Zealand :- 3 ODI's and 3 T20's (Oct 22, 2017 to Nov 7, 2017)

Postby bolero » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:00 pm

Fielding has been clumsy. I agree with Paddles, Southees place in the side is questionable.