England vs Westindies (Day & Night) 1st test :Aug.17-21, 2017 at Edgbaston

Misty · Postby **Misty** » Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:53 pm

West Indies tour of England, 2017

AUG 17 - 21.2017,England vs Windpipes
1st Test at Edgbaston, Birmingham.18:30 IST.
13:00 GMT

Westindies test team in England : :dance:

Squad: Jason Holder (c), Kraigg Braithwaite (vc), Devendra Bishoo, Jermaine Blackwood, Roston Chase, Miguel Cummins, Shane Dowrich, Shannon Gabriel, Shimron Hetmyer, Kyle Hope, Shai Hope, Alzarri Joseph, Kieran Powell, Raymon Reifer, Kemar Roach.

England's test team : :rj:

Squad: Joe Root (c), Ben Stokes, Alastair Cook, Tom Westley, Dawid Malan, Jonny Bairstow (wk), Moeen Ali, Toby Roland-Jones, Stuart Broad, James Anderson, Chris Woakes, Mark Stoneman, Mason Crane

Misty · Postby **Misty** » Sun Jul 30, 2017 1:47 pm

Sorry folks no box for video yet but you can listen live Audio (Local) from Essex local radio ball by ball commentary from anywhere on earth over internets.

Essex vs Westindies from Aug 1-3, 2017.you must need to download BBCI PLAYER Apps in order to listen Crystal Clear Audio in comfort of your home.

Boycs · Postby **Boycs** » Sun Jul 30, 2017 2:11 pm

Not much gap between these two test series

Misty · Postby **Misty** » Sun Jul 30, 2017 2:36 pm

Yes final test at Manchester ends on Aug.8th vs Proteas.

Boycs · Postby **Boycs** » Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:06 pm

Kemar seems the threat of their attack. Don't know the rest.

Don't expect much of an issue beating them. Almost wish it was an issue, so WI test team can get back some self respect. It's almost socially awkward beating them at times.

Misty · Postby **Misty** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:07 pm

Boycs wrote:Kemar seems the threat of their attack. Don't know the rest.

Don't expect much of an issue beating them. Almost wish it was an issue, so WI test team can get back some self respect. It's almost socially awkward beating them at times.

If you not playing for long time you are nobody in cricket.see what happen to ABDV ?
Daren Bravo apologized of what he says for WICB but they not only Forgive but told him "" you are not in the list of 23 probable in the England tour""

Gayle also expect WI call but not get selected.

Boycs · Postby **Boycs** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:22 pm

He did? He surely doesn't want to play test cricket

raja · Postby **raja** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:41 pm

Didn't even know West Indies were touring England.

Ok, bets on number of innings that Windies don't get to 100?

raja · Postby **raja** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:43 pm

Bets on how many Tests go into the 5th day.

Misty · Postby **Misty** » Tue Aug 01, 2017 1:03 am

raja wrote:Didn't even know West Indies were touring England.

Ok, bets on number of innings that Windies don't get to 100?

Do you know ind.pak playing in Srilanka after 209 days ?

Boycs · Postby **Boycs** » Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:27 pm

Blackwood Chase and Braithwaite have all taken half centuries off of the Essex attack in a warm up.

Sounds like a law firm

Mick180461 · Postby **Mick180461** » Wed Aug 02, 2017 1:17 am

Misty wrote:West Indies tour of England, 2017

**please note :test matches are of 5 days each, Practice matches are 3 days each

Squad: Jason Holder (c), Kraigg Braithwaite (vc), Devendra Bishoo, Jermaine Blackwood, Roston Chase, Miguel Cummins, Shane Dowrich, Shannon Gabriel, Shimron Hetmyer, Kyle Hope, Shai Hope, Alzarri Joseph, Kieran Powell, Raymon Reifer, Kemar Roach.

England's test team :
Squad:

Bet you that every England team from 76 to 95 wish they could have played that team. There is maybe 4-5 Test class players in that squad.

Misty · Postby **Misty** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:35 pm

As many as 10 times Derbyshire dismissed under 250 vs touring WI from 1980 till 2004
68 lowest scores, 3 day game coming up Derby vs WI after 13 years.

Boycs · Postby **Boycs** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:38 pm

Hameed has made a 77 from 219 balls. Battling it out into form. Come on dude!

Boycs · Postby **Boycs** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:46 pm

England have dropped Jennings and selected Mark Stoneman as a replacement for yet another opening partner for Cook.

But more surprisingly Mason Crane has been selected. Still resisting the urge to make Moeen their main spinner.

FC average of over 40.00. What a joke

I suppose a home series against the West Indies is a place to experiment

Finn has been dropped for Woakes

Boycs · Postby **Boycs** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:50 pm

Cook
Stoneman
Westley
Root
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Broad
Woakes
Roland-Jones
Anderson

I think that's half decent. I don't see any point playing Malan or leach when you've got Ali and that batting line up and strong tail

Boycs · Postby **Boycs** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:19 pm

Crane doesn't have the county stats to warrant inclusion in the test team IMO. They're searching for spinners just because they're spinners. They've got one who is okay for an all rounder. Don't force in a weaker spinner at the expense of a decent fast bowler just because..... actually I can't even fathom their logic.

Boycs · Postby **Boycs** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:21 pm

Any of our bowlers can stop the West Indies they're so weak. I don't follow the ECB logic. They're just trying extra spinners when they're not even thinking of replacing Moeen.

Pick Moeen and three seamers and stokes or four seamers and stokes and one less batsman.

Boycs · Postby **Boycs** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:24 pm

I think we also need to stop this carousel of openers and just put hameed in the team. If hes out of nick then just hold on to him until he finds it. He is a long term prospect of serious potential and he will develop more long term in the team playing poorly than he will mooching around county cricket getting passed over by other short term stop gaps

Misty · Postby **Misty** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:31 pm

I do not think ECB dare to selects someone in place of mo even England plays test as follows

Eng vs Afghanistan ( only test)
Eng vs Bangladesh ( 3 test)
Eng vs Zimbabwe (2 test)

Mo will be there for all test play in England and England only.

Boycs · Postby **Boycs** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:00 pm

Misty wrote:I do not think ECB dare to selects someone in place of mo even England plays test as follows

Eng vs Afghanistan ( only test)
Eng vs Bangladesh ( 3 test)
Eng vs Zimbabwe (2 test)

Mo will be there for all test play in England and England only.

He will play overseas tests too

Paddles · Postby **Paddles** » Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:29 am

Boycs wrote:Cook
Stoneman
Westley
Root
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Broad
Woakes
Roland-Jones
Anderson

I think that's half decent. I don't see any point playing Malan or leach when you've got Ali and that batting line up and strong tail

6 bowlers and 4 batsman. First low innings score you'll drop a bowler for a bat, just like this home season.

Boycs · Postby **Boycs** » Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:03 pm

Paddles wrote:
Boycs wrote:Cook
Stoneman
Westley
Root
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Broad
Woakes
Roland-Jones
Anderson

I think that's half decent. I don't see any point playing Malan or leach when you've got Ali and that batting line up and strong tail

6 bowlers and 4 batsman. First low innings score you'll drop a bowler for a bat, just like this home season.

Boycs · Postby **Boycs** » Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:04 pm

Paddles wrote:
Boycs wrote:Cook
Stoneman
Westley
Root
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Broad
Woakes
Roland-Jones
Anderson

I think that's half decent. I don't see any point playing Malan or leach when you've got Ali and that batting line up and strong tail

6 bowlers and 4 batsman. First low innings score you'll drop a bowler for a bat, just like this home season.

Trouble is, who? There seems to be next to nothing pushing for a batting slot in county cricket at present. Hales is fresh from a double century but he's tried and failed once already and he'd mean three openers in the top six

Paddles · Postby **Paddles** » Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:09 pm

Boycs wrote:
Paddles wrote:
6 bowlers and 4 batsman. First low innings score you'll drop a bowler for a bat, just like this home season.

Trouble is, who? There seems to be next to nothing pushing for a batting slot in county cricket at present. Hales is fresh from a double century but he's tried and failed once already and he'd mean three openers in the top six

Nothing wrong with 3 openers in top 6. In fact, if they your best bats, and are good vs spin, nothing wrong with a top 5 of all openers. Opening is the moe difficult role, batting after 30 overs is tyically easier. Plenty of number 3s were openers pushed down by an additonal opener: Taylor with Marsh then Slater pushed Boon down to 3 where he stayed. There will be a tonne more examples.

Hales may actually do alright on flat n fast bouncy pitches in Straya.

Boycs · Postby **Boycs** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:07 am

But Boon was a much better test batsman.

I dunno. Just feels like England can't locate enough batsmen at the moment. They've burnt through all the openers. Pick Hameed and stick with him.

Boycs · Postby **Boycs** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:53 pm

Has anyone watched a day night match? How does the pink ball behave?

Misty · Postby **Misty** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:26 pm

Derbyshire game vs WI day night
According to GambHir no difference

Boycs · Postby **Boycs** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:40 pm

They've done okay against Derbyshire. 450-odd for three

Paddles · Postby **Paddles** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:51 pm

Boycs wrote:Has anyone watched a day night match? How does the pink ball behave?

When NZ played Aus in the day night game, they kept a lot of grass on the pitch to protect the ball. There was a lot of swing in the evening for swing bowlers like Boult and Southee.

Last year, Safrica played Aus, and with a newer pink ball and there was less swing, but there was some. Put simply, Anderson will be looking forward to Adelaide but Australia will not hand over too much home advantage unnecessarily.

Adelaide is England's best chance at a win prior to Sydney.

Paddles · Postby **Paddles** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:52 pm

Boycs wrote:Has anyone watched a day night match? How does the pink ball behave?

When NZ played Aus in the day night game, they kept a lot of grass on the pitch to protect the ball. There was a lot of swing in the evening for swing bowlers like Boult and Southee.

Last year, Safrica played Aus, and with a newer pink ball and there was less swing, but there was some. Put simply, Anderson will be looking forward to Adelaide but Australia will not hand over too much home advantage unnecessarily.

Adelaide is England's best chance at a win prior to Sydney.

Boycs · Postby **Boycs** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:26 am

Is the ball smaller that the red duke ball? Or is it just a duke ball with different colouring?

Boycs · Postby **Boycs** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:04 pm

Chase has had a good run up to this first test with two wickets, a century and a 60 as WI easily dismantled Derbyshire in the latest warm up.

The gap in quality between county and international cricket is disheartening, but does it mean that this West Indies unit may pack slightly more of a punch than the critics suggested before the tour began? If these young lads and working well together as a unit..... maybe they will win some sessions in this match. You never know.

Katto · Postby **Katto** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 6:41 am

day night cricket in England is a dumb idea

how am I supposed to watch it when it concludes at about 5 in the morning?

Boycs · Postby **Boycs** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:47 am

Hey I suffer the same when we play in Australia

Misty · Postby **Misty** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:49 am

you need to Adjust your life style or record,how about test match this month by your country playing in Asia.?

Boycs · Postby **Boycs** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:18 am

Not sure what the time difference is. Something like starting at six in the morning U.K. time?

Katto · Postby **Katto** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:03 am

Boycs wrote:Hey I suffer the same when we play in Australia

that's why we gave you day night cricket...to help you

in return you do the opposite

Katto · Postby **Katto** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:04 am

Misty wrote:you need to Adjust your life style or record,how about test match this month by your country playing in Asia.?

Asia time zone is perfect

Misty · Postby **Misty** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:42 am

Good for you

1984 test series I will never forget in my life between WI vs Eng in ENGLAND
West Indies Trashed,humiliated.spanked,home team 5/0 SUPER WHITE WASH in 5 match series,

Second test of that series
England ask wI to score 344 in 66 over on day 5 Gordon Greenidge hits 29 fours 242 ball DBL CENTURY *
Helped his team to beat England by 9 wickets.

Paddles · Postby **Paddles** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:46 am

Boycs wrote:Is the ball smaller that the red duke ball? Or is it just a duke ball with different colouring?

It is a kookaburra ball with different colouring.

Katto · Postby **Katto** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:48 am

Misty wrote:Good for you

1984 test series I will never forget in my life between WI vs Eng in ENGLAND
West Indies Trashed,humiliated.spanked,home team 5/0 SUPER WHITE WASH in 5 match series,

Second test of that series
England ask wI to score 344 in 66 over on day 5 Gordon Greenidge hits 29 fours 242 ball DBL CENTURY *
Helped his team to beat England by 9 wickets.

'84 Windies were at their peak
I saw them out here in 84-85, they destroyed us..albeit a weakened team at that point due to rebel fracture

Boycs · Postby **Boycs** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:55 pm

Paddles wrote:
Boycs wrote:Is the ball smaller that the red duke ball? Or is it just a duke ball with different colouring?

It is a kookaburra ball with different colouring.

Ah. WI normally use Dukes at home is that right? So both teams using a less familiar ball.

Paddles · Postby **Paddles** » Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:54 am

Boycs wrote:
Paddles wrote:It is a kookaburra ball with different colouring.

Ah. WI normally use Dukes at home is that right? So both teams using a less familiar ball.

EWCB uses Duke at home.

It will be a pink Duke for WI v Eng.

CA uses Kookaburra at home.

Day night cricket will favour NZ and Eng at home if pink balls continue to swing more than red, and the drop in temperature at night favours colder climate countries in autumn.

Tho Australia has their Canberra and Tasmania for conditioning.

Boycs · Postby **Boycs** » Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:39 am

Paddles wrote:
Boycs wrote:
Ah. WI normally use Dukes at home is that right? So both teams using a less familiar ball.

EWCB uses Duke at home.

It will be a pink Duke for WI v Eng.

CA uses Kookaburra at home.

Day night cricket will favour NZ and Eng at home if pink balls continue to swing more than red, and the drop in temperature at night favours colder climate countries in autumn.

Tho Australia has their Canberra and Tasmania for conditioning.

Ah. Thought you said it was a pink kookaburra.

raja · Postby **raja** » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:02 am

Somehow I expect WI to do better than SA.
They'll lose for sure, but there's something about this WI side that I like.
Their loss will be purely to skill & lack of experience, rather than being weak in the head (which I think the Saffers were).

If WI do ok, remember you heard it here first. :grin:

Katto · Postby **Katto** » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:04 am

England will take them lightly

raja · Postby **raja** » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:05 am

Another detail is that the second half of the English summer is usually easier for batsmen.
So if the WI batsmen really try to dig in, they might be able to play a long innings.
That said, there's a skill deficit for sure, so I won't be holding my breath on this one.

raja · Postby **raja** » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:09 am

Katto wrote:England will take them lightly

Am hoping so.
One of my favourite recent series is England losing that series in the Caribbean when Sarwan suddenly realised he could actually bat long innings.
What a fun series that was.
First Taylor bamboozled them in the opening Test, WI went 1-0 up - and despite some nerve-wracking moments, held on till the end to emerge series winners.
If I'm not mistaken that was also the series when Ravi Bopara got 2 hundreds in successive Tests.
Is he still around on the county scene? Any talk of returning to the England side?

Paddles · Postby **Paddles** » Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:01 pm

raja wrote:Another detail is that the second half of the English summer is usually easier for batsmen.
So if the WI batsmen really try to dig in, they might be able to play a long innings.
That said, there's a skill deficit for sure, so I won't be holding my breath on this one.

You don't really think EWCB will play the Windies on dry turners? WI have sent a few spinners - Chase looks to be a good all rounder in the making.