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Postby Misty » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:06 pm

New Zealand Test Squad
BJ Watling, Neil Wagner, Ross Taylor, Tim Southee, Mitchell Santner, Jeet Raval, Jeetan Patel, Henry Nicholls, Jimmy Neesham, Tom Latham, Colin de Grandhomme, Trent Boult, Kane Williamson


South Africa Test Squad
Wayne Parnell, Keshav Maharaj, Vernon Philander, Quinton de Kock, Temba Bavuma, JP Duminy, Hashim Amla, Dean Elgar, Stephen Cook, Faf du Plessis, Kagiso Rabada, Duanne Olivier, Chris Morris, Morne Morkel, Theunis de Bruyn

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Mick180461 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:31 pm

Whats going on, this thread was here yesterday and i posted on it, couldnt find it earlier and now my post is gone?

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Mick180461 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:33 pm

Misty wrote:New Zealand Test Squad
BJ Watling, Neil Wagner, Ross Taylor, Tim Southee, Mitchell Santner, Jeet Raval, Jeetan Patel, Henry Nicholls, Jimmy Neesham, Tom Latham, Colin de Grandhomme, Trent Boult, Kane Williamson


South Africa Test Squad
Wayne Parnell, Keshav Maharaj, Vernon Philander, Quinton de Kock, Temba Bavuma, JP Duminy, Hashim Amla, Dean Elgar, Stephen Cook, Faf du Plessis, Kagiso Rabada, Duanne Olivier, Chris Morris, Morne Morkel, Theunis de Bruyn

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Ross Taylor has been out injured since the 1st test, he's place is taken by the worlds greatest ever sweeper Neil Broom :grin:

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Misty » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:48 pm

yes he was out for debut duck and 20, I thought he was well set but out first over after Lunch Sweeping. I wish him good luck, he has good FC record this seasons

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Mick180461 » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:01 am

Misty wrote:yes he was out for debut duck and 20, I thought he was well set but out first over after Lunch Sweeping. I wish him good luck, he has good FC record this seasons

Did you get the joke Misty, N Broom the worlds greatest sweeper.
The Crickinfo home page has NZ not changing their side from the 2nd test and that means no Taylor.

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Leo » Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:11 am

Good Luck New Zealand.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby raja » Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:15 am

Come on, NZ.

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Misty » Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:36 am

News just came out from NZ about Kock and Boult doubtful for last test at Hamilton.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand ... 87949.html

DBL blow for Paddles, as now, Southee sideline for next test.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand ... 88041.html

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Misty » Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:06 am

Misty wrote:New Zealand Test Squad
BJ Watling, Neil Wagner, Mitchell Santner, Jeet Raval, Jeetan Patel, Henry Nicholls, Jimmy Neesham, Tom Latham, Colin de Grandhomme, Kane Williamson


South Africa Test Squad
Wayne Parnell, Keshav Maharaj, Vernon Philander, Quinton de Kock, Temba Bavuma, JP Duminy, Hashim Amla, Dean Elgar, Stephen Cook, Faf du Plessis, Kagiso Rabada, Duanne Olivier, Chris Morris, Morne Morkel, Theunis de Bruyn


What bowling attack will New Zealand pick?

Big picture

The sun is rising later and setting earlier, the leaves have started to turn shades of orange and yellow, and last-of-the-season signs are going up in shop windows. It's almost autumn but New Zealand and South Africa have one last summer fling to complete; one that could define what has been a super-long season.

Both teams started in August and have played 11 Tests in the nine months since, and South Africa can claim to have had a better time. They started at No.7 and, with victories over New Zealand at home, Australia away and Sri Lanka at home, have worked their way up to No.3. A win in Hamilton - and if Australia don't beat India in Dharamsala - will take them to No.2 and ensure they have won all four series this summer.

New Zealand can't mark their progress that way. They were No.5 then and are No.5 now, and the only way they can stay there is by squaring this series. Anything less than a win at Seddon Park, and they will drop a place.

More than that, there is the importance of breaking a long-standing drought against a team they had on the ropes twice this series. This past week marked 13 years since New Zealand last beat South Africa in a Test, in Auckland in 2004. Since then, the teams have met 15 times with South Africa winning ten, including the previous Test in Wellington, where they were 94 for 6 in reply to 268. New Zealand lost that match because of one partnership and one hour in their own innings where everything went wrong. The margins are small and they will want to try and squeeze into them this time.

It won't be easy because New Zealand have lost Trent Boult, Tim Southee and Ross Taylor to injuries. They will have to bank on inexperienced players to beat a South African team, which, despite half their top-six batsmen struggling, has found ways to win. New Zealand pride themselves on the ability to scrap and will want to finish their summer with the biggest scrap of them all.

Although Stephen Cook is not the only member of either top six to find himself out of form, his performances will come under scrutiny because of how closely they mirror his last away series. Cook battled through the first two Tests in Australia, and was thought to be facing the axe with Rilee Rossouw in the squad, but redeemed himself with a century in Adelaide. This time there is no Rossouw, and the replacement batsman, Theunis de Bruyn, is a middle-order player. The only other opening option, albeit an outside one, is Quinton de Kock, who is nursing a finger problem. Cook is safe for this Test, and probably the England tour, but he needs to start showing what he can do on a more consistent basis.


From being the bowler with the biggest heart in New Zealand's attack, Neil Wagner is now the one with the most responsibility. With Southee and Boult ruled out, Wagner will have to lead an inexperienced attack. He has only played in one Test without Southee and Boult, and that was on debut in 2012, when he had Chris Martin and Doug Bracewell for company. Wagner will be alongside Matt Henry, who has just seven Test caps to his name, and will have to make sure he attacks as well as keeps South Africa quie

New Zealand's pace attack was depleted by the injuries to Trent Boult and Tim Southee

With three key players ruled out, New Zealand's conundrum is which allrounder to pick as the third prong in their pace pack. Scott Kuggeleijn could be in line for a debut following strong showings in the Plunket Shield, if they decide to bench James Neesham, who offers more as a batsman, and Colin de Grandhomme, who opened the bowling in Wellington. New Zealand may opt for two allrounders and leave Henry out to play four quicks and a spinner, though that seems unlikely on what is expected to be a slow Seddon Park surface.

South Africa will risk Quinton de Kock, who has tendon damage on his right index finger, for their last match of the summer, which means Heinrich Klaasen will continue to carry drinks along with one other seamer - most likely Wayne Parnell - and another player. Though South Africa flew Dane Piedt in specifically for the Hamilton Test, they may struggle to fit him into the XI, unless they are to leave JP Duminy out.

Some rain is forecast on all five days in Hamilton
Pitch and condition

A pitch on the slower side of the block is set to assist spinners but the colour of the surface suggested otherwise. There was still significant green grass on the pitch but both captains expected it was just window dressing. Kane Williamson and Faf du Plessis expected the seamers to have to work hard for their wickets and also anticipated a race against time for a result. Though the weather has improved as the series moved further north - this match will be played in warmer temperatures than the previous two - some rain is forecast for all five days. Day two (Sunday) is at the greatest risk

Stats and trivia

•New Zealand have won their last three Hamilton Tests, against Pakistan, Sri Lanka and West Indies, following a streak of three losses at the venue to South Africa, Pakistan and Australia.

•Morne Morkel is one wicket away from 250 Test wickets

•Hashim Amla is 117 runs short of 8000 Test runs

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"It's very important we bounce back, show that fight and those characteristics that this team is about, which we failed to do in the latter half of our last game. We've got one big game left in the summer and the guys are excited by that and want to put on a good performance."
New Zealand Kane Williamson

"I don't think people appreciate and understand (South Africa's record away from home). The record has been exceptional. Mentally we are very resilient. We know whatever the situation on the day, we have to find a way and try and make sure you deliver. You can never use an excuse, whether it's green or spinning. You just have to get on and do the job. Our mental toughness has helped us."
South Africa have only lost one series on the road in ten years and Faf du Plessis explains why

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Mick180461 » Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:34 am

Thank you Misty for a very well put together preview of the 3rd Test, been a good series so far had it on the TV while doing other things and waiting for the action from India to start.
NZ may struggle in this test, they have had the heart ripped out of the side through injury, Boult & Southee are huge losses to their attack.

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Paddles » Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:07 pm

CDG finding some swing. Bowling faster at 128. Looks 'innoculously dangerous' extracting everything on offer out of the pitch with seam and swing but at a lower pace.

Henry occasionally getting nip but looks rather flat. No swing.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Misty » Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:15 pm

Patchy for debutant theunis Bruyn who never open in domestic,out cheaply for 0
5 for 2
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Mick180461 » Sat Mar 25, 2017 1:28 am

Can't be given out LBW off the middle of the bat, thats an absolute shocker.

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Paddles » Sat Mar 25, 2017 1:43 am

Terrible umpiring and terrible use of drs by NZ keeping Saffir in the game.

93/3 - could easily be 5 wickets down

Wagner - is bowling very well but his drs use is #worsethansouthee today
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Paddles » Sat Mar 25, 2017 1:58 am

The CDG circus continues to roll into town by bowling Amla with a full straight delivery. Amla was too early on it?

15 wickets at 24 vs Safrica and Pakistan mostly, commentators are starting to begrudgingly respect CDG as a legitimate bowler.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Misty » Sat Mar 25, 2017 2:00 am

Who are two umpires?
Is it Subramanium Ravi?

So Hashim khan missed opportunity for 8000 today, anyway second innings might helpful under
Sunny weather.

7933 now
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Misty » Sat Mar 25, 2017 2:07 am

Mick180461 wrote:Can't be given out LBW off the middle of the bat, thats an absolute shocker.


Why you say anyway because no one given LBW so far.last man Amla on 50 was Bowled.

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Mick180461 » Sat Mar 25, 2017 2:18 am

Misty wrote:
Mick180461 wrote:Can't be given out LBW off the middle of the bat, thats an absolute shocker.


Why you say anyway because no one given LBW so far.last man Amla on 50 was Bowled.

There was a DRS appeal by NZ where the replay showed the ball completly missed the pad and hit the middle of the bat, thus a shocker of an appeal by NZ.

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Misty » Sat Mar 25, 2017 2:46 am

16 fours hits by Amla and Faf so nz must be careful coz Kock can ruins Patel's spell later on.Patel got him 4 or 5 times in last 5 innings

Yes KOCK smashed 10 fours and six in his unbeaten 66 @Lunch on day 2.
SOA 243 for 7.no wonder why he is playing with injury.new ball due after Lunch.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Paddles » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:52 am

I think an adjacent to bowler umpire or at least a very narrow if not short mid on or mid off is regularly employed soon by fielding teams in all formats globally to assist with drs reviews and bowler's end run outs.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Leo » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:53 am

Though NZ bowling attack is weaker but not a bad start for them.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Paddles » Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:13 pm

Tom Latham just took a silly leg catch moving to leg slip so good, it has to be seen. Before the barsman hits the ball but after he selecys a lap sweep shot - Tom Sprints to leg slip and at full acceleration and one hand outstretched ends up catching the ball.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Misty » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:23 am

I wonder why KW gave bowling to Wagner just before Lunch were Kock hits him 3 fours,patel under bowl this test with 6 overs spell only.

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Misty » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:25 am

Paddles wrote:Tom Latham just took a silly leg catch/leg slip so good, it has to be seen. Before the barsman hits the ball but after he selecys a lap sweep shot - Tom Sprints to leg slip and at full acceleration and one hand outstretched ends up catching the ball.


Latham took 3 catch but Faf one, was really great, he moves before Faf hit the ball.

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Mick180461 » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:41 am

Paddles wrote:Tom Latham just took a silly leg catch/leg slip so good, it has to be seen. Before the barsman hits the ball but after he selecys a lap sweep shot - Tom Sprints to leg slip and at full acceleration and one hand outstretched ends up catching the ball.

When you put it all together that is as good a catch as you will ever see.

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Misty » Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:29 am

58 overs left in the game on day 2.why NZ and SL not have INDOOR stadium for test matches?

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Misty » Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:56 am

Leo wrote:Though NZ bowling attack is weaker but not a bad start for them.

Test heading for draw as rains forcast all 3 days besides today.

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Paddles » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:40 am

Tom Latham's day.

To bowl Safrica out for just over 300 in the 1st innings without Boult or Southee is great - esp with Patel leaking runs.

Henry got a few to swing out nicely but he still bowls too short too often when things ae not going his way. This ought to be left to Wagner who has far better bouncers that leak less runs. CDG did not add to his wicket tally but his eco rate was outstanding. With Kuggeleijn rising, CDG being a contender, Henry performing fairly well, bowler rotation or Southee and Boult in a fight to keep their spots next summer seems likely. I have Henry well behind Boult and Southee but Kugs runs and wickets at fc and CDG's nibble and batting potential will put heat on the first rungers.

Tom Latham's day. All NZC fans will be happy for him. 42*, a v good catch and a catch that is so special, it will be televised globally in the cricket if not further to the espn world. Put his cover frive away till he faced a lot more balls. Still hit one or two on the up, but middled them and looked in total control against the spinner.

The goal for NZ ought to be a 500 plus score to win this game now. This means Latham, Raval and KW are critical wickets to not be lost easy.

NZ just on top at this stage; but not comfortably (on paper).
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Paddles » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:07 am

NZ has progressed to 163/1. While ahead of the game at this stage, they are still 150 runs behind in this must win match with a consistently collapsible middle order, and batting rather slowly with Raval a SR of 40 and KW of 48, and it is now 3pm on day 3.

NZ's only realistic chance to win now appears to only bat one significant innings, and to be batting at this time tomorrow and then give themselves 4 sessions to bowl South Africa out with minimal runs to chase.

It is lovely to see the consistent success of Raval who truly has been the find for the test team this year. 5 50's in 12 innings now. While he has not converted into hundreds, he is more than keeping his head above water, which for NZ opening batsmen, is a rare feat indeed. Keep these 50's coming Jeets - conversion into centuries will follow.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Paddles » Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:48 am

KW is now 10 runs away from stealing Ross Taylor's thunder by equalling Crowe on 17 centuries first. NZ media made this situation by consistently asking Ross about equalling Crowe.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Leo » Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:52 am

Good Reply NZ. Can save the series????
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Misty » Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:05 am

Congratulation KW but I am dying to see Gujarat under 14 player,JEET ASHOK RAVAL to scores first hundred by newzeland opener, after dec.11, 1953 (Geoff Rabone hits 107 and 68 (out of 149 in second innings) way back in 1953) Matthew Hourne was close in 1999 with 93.

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Misty » Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:13 am

I am late at cricforum today,( jadeja was given out by umpire 7 down, but review saves him.Not out.funny no reviews for 164 overs and within last 9 overs 4 reviews taken)

Congratulation m.Morkal as Latham (50) become his 250th test wickets in 78 test.

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Misty » Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:41 am

Paddles,

Who is better opener? For nz

Mark Richardson
Jeet RAval
Geoff Rabone (12 test)
** last one was nz captain in Southafrica

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Paddles » Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:42 am

KW just putting on a clinic now and destroying Rabada, Morkel and Philander with the new ball. Not quite at his UaE 2014 peak double century innings for his rather innocuous bowler decimation, but not far below.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Paddles » Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:45 am

Misty wrote:Congratulation KW but I am dying to see Gujarat under 14 player,JEET ASHOK RAVAL to scores first hundred by newzeland opener, after dec.11, 1953 (Geoff Rabone hits 107 and 68 (out of 149 in second innings) way back in 1953) Matthew Hourne was close in 1999 with 93.

RAVAL on 84 not out.

T Latham has centuries as an opener. John Wright has plenty too. Edgar, Greatbatch, Latham's dad, T Franklin, Richardson and many more 100s as openers- so what are you on about? Do you mean against Safrica?

Raval out for 88, Morkel got a ball to nip back sharply from outside off, "cutting Raval in half", and a feather inside edge to an offside prod to a diving keeper (down leg). Raval looks disapointed, but he has laid a great platform.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Paddles » Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:49 am

Misty wrote:Paddles,

Who is better opener? For nz

Mark Richardson
Jeet RAval
Geoff Rabone (12 test)
** last one was nz captain in Southafrica

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Richardson has achieved more than Raval and is a cult hero in NZ and abroad for his test career. Both dour batsmen who are more effective in scoring and batting time due to concentration than they are talented entertainers as batsmen scoring freely and all round the ground.

Sutcliffe, Turner, Richardson (and Wright) are the best openers NZ has produced.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Paddles » Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:08 am

Broom out for 12(10). Out lbw not playing a shot to a ball hitting top of off.

Now Nicholls.

Is Broom, Nicholls and Santner the worst 4, 5 and 6 in tst cricket right now? I imagine Bangladesh is stronger.

Nicholls out for duck with a terrible shot to a chest high long hop down the leg side trying to play a vertical bat glance or flick down to leg away from his body. Ugly. Just ugly.

I am still not a fan of Nicholls. He plays spin well due to his sweep shot. He can cut the ball well and pull okay against seamers but he has a tonne of technical deficiencies against seam and his vertical bat shots.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby raja » Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:22 am

Nice read about Jeet Raval.
I think I might dislike him a little less now. :-)
http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/co ... 88577.html

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Paddles » Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:24 am

So my predicted 2 down 4 fown of Broom and Nicchols failures has come to fruition. Here's Santner batting at 6, when he hasn't mastered batting at 8 yet.

I don't understand why Watling, the best of batsman 4 to 11 has to bat 7, especially after this start by NZ.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Misty » Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:26 am

254 minutes batting by McIntosh twice and 3 times by Latham after Richardson's retirement but sorry Jet who batted 254 minutes missed 100

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Why don't you say, you liked him more than Dowling but less than Latham

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Paddles » Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:40 am

Santner has avoided being out to a lbw not reviewed and being clean bowled off a no ball. This might be his lucky innings.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Boycs » Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:38 pm

Paddles must be pleased as punch

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Paddles » Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:50 am

Yeah, very good 2 days of cricket from NZ here. KW was given good support by Raval and Santner. It appears Santner, batting at 6, was prepared to bat time and had a insomia curing sr. While 40 odd far from solves NZ's problems at 6, it was good enough to help get NZ toward and close to that 500 mark I thought important.

CDG with bat and ball is hard to drop even if Southee and Boult are fit with Henry and Patel appearing the more replacable but if a second spinner is wanted - I think Southee and Wagner are now in a shoot out for a spot with Southee pegged behind Wagner

A very valuable 50 odd from CDG and then he takes the first wicket dismissing Elgar displays great team value. Our version of Woakes if you will. The pressure has been placed on Santner's shoulders to bat better and he has responded in this match so far with a gritty knock. If NZ finish tommorrow with a win and draw the series, then the development of Raval and CDG as long term selections will posibly be cherished from this series. This is a highly ranked and in form Safrican team that recently toured and won in Australia full of in form world cricket stars.

Broom and Nichools are being referred to as all rounders (neither bowl) and specialist fieldsmen by critics. I'm pleased Santner had a good day and CDG is well on his way to being a very popular cricketer with nzc fans currently divided (by his lack of pace no doubt, not the results themselves). Santner at 6 may have Todd Astle practise batting and bowling this winter though.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby raja » Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:41 am

If SA put up a fight tomorrow, it could be a very good last day.

Pleased to see CDG do well.

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Paddles » Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:12 am

raja wrote:If SA put up a fight tomorrow, it could be a very good last day.

Pleased to see CDG do well.


Its a tough one. The guy trundles at 120 -130k. He bowls a wobbling seam to nibble. As Amla said, he's basically a copy of Philander. But Philander runs in hard and fast before releasing the ball at 125k and has proven record of success. From memory - Philander's lack of pace meant he took longer to make the national team than he and many thought fair but doubts were whether his pace was sufficient to replicate his FC success in tests. Especially after S Pollock was dropped for Morkel's pace.

The NZC commentators know CDG as a part time bowler who is a middle order limited overs (we only televise domestic t20 in NZ and CDG is not an ideal bowler in that format) slugger. But, to the selector's credit, they decided at the start of the summer, to give him a bowl. And he knocked Pakistan over at first opportunity. But perception is hard to displace. I think on pitches and tours where Philander struggles, CDG will struggle too.

There is a big hooplah in NZ that Boult and Southee are NZ's premier bowling combo ever. But their greatness is just not as true as is perceived. Wagner's valuable contributions were until recently overlooked, when Southee was finally dropped. But the romanticism of Boult and Southee remains, the reality of Wagner's success has been realised, so do we need a 4th front line seamer? People like Tim's fast run up, and his 135km/h pace (used to be over 140) with his lovely new ball outswing (he only swings it one way but to be fair, it is a good 'un and effective even in the IPL).

What CDG will provide is regular runs at #8. He's perfect for the job. He hits hard, scores fast, he is the man for batting with the tail. No boundary in the world is big enough for him. He has 10 FC centuries - and is more than qualified to whack the ball and score valuable lower order runs.

CDG and S Kullegiejn are going to pose some real selection headaches next summer if fit and in form. NZ only have 5 tests for the next 18 months or so, and none till the last week of November. But Wagner, Boult and Southee, will not be able to rest on their laurels when CDG and Kugs can bat so much better than them and bowl well. Especially if Patel continues to be selected to perform the Chris Martin batting role. I envisage Astle and Santner in a shootout for the spinner's role.

My preference of 6 batsmen, 1wk, 4 bowlers is against 5 batsmen, 1 wk, 2 all rounders and 3 bowlers.

But Santner/Astle, CDG, Kuggelijn could offer 3 allrounders, where Wagner and Boult support (and Southee dropped or replacement for Boult and Wagner). I don't entirely dislike that where a weak #6 is supported with quality batting at 8 and 9.

India and England have players like Jadeja and Woakes often batting as low as 9. Safrica play 6 batsmen. The times, they are a changing. Post Gilchrist, (I hate this expression) it may not just be the wicket keepers expected to score more runs, but the bowlers get even better again, more so. And if someone is not able to average over 25/30 with the bat, they better be damn good with the ball.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 3rd Test; March 25-29, 2017 at Hamilton

Postby Misty » Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:40 am

Wow myself Patel misty, my best wishes to nz to win FIRST EVER TEST VS PROTEAS tomorrow, hope no rains