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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby raja » Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:06 pm

Going South wrote:Show me one test specialist that is successful in T20?
I got 100s of GOOD T20 players who are successful in test cricket.
Duh!


Horses for courses.

In Test cricket, I want a guy who can play Test cricket. Whether he's good at T20 or not, is irrelevant.
Similarly, for T20 cricket, I want a guy who can play T20. His Test cricket ability (or lack of it) is irrelevant.

And about one being superior to the other, it's well-known Test cricket is the TRUE test of all dimensions of a cricketer.
That's why it's called TEST cricket.
It tests both batsmen and bowlers over a 5-day period.

T20 is fun too - I don't want to run it down.

It's good to have a mix of different formats - to suit different moods.

Like different genres of music or films.

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Paddles » Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:15 pm

raja wrote:
Going South wrote:Show me one test specialist that is successful in T20?
I got 100s of GOOD T20 players who are successful in test cricket.
Duh!


Horses for courses.

In Test cricket, I want a guy who can play Test cricket. Whether he's good at T20 or not, is irrelevant.
Similarly, for T20 cricket, I want a guy who can play T20. His Test cricket ability (or lack of it) is irrelevant.

True, but irrelevant is a tad too strongly worded, non-determinitive or non sufficient is more accurate.

raja wrote: And about one being superior to the other, it's well-known Test cricket is the TRUE test of all dimensions of a cricketer.
That's why it's called TEST cricket.
It tests both batsmen and bowlers over a 5-day period.


Not true. Journalists coined the term in the 1860's Aus vs Eng for what could have easily been called trial matches to test or trial (coulda named it AAAA or Emirates Cabin Class - better than first class) who was better in the 2 innings fc cricket FORMAT. Test status matches have been timeless and as short as 3 days if not shorter. The coining of the name was well before international limited overs cricket. Its name is an accident of birth and not indicative of being a true test of all dimensions (heck - without a focus on run rate pressure its "tests" different dimensions) as against limited overs. Its just different - but believed to be more prestigious by many players, past and present. ***** British sports also used the term test for rugby, rugby league and netball internationals. The icc regulates test status, as part of its monopoly on the business of international cricket. Tell anyone world series cricket was not of a high level!

All competitive sport tests and trials player's skill. "There's no I in team" is more informative than "thats why they call it test cricket". I'd love to watch a trial match and have a commentator say - 'thats why they call it trial cricket/rugby/league".

raja wrote:[T20 is fun too - I don't want to run it down.

It's good to have a mix of different formats - to suit different moods.

Like different genres of music or films.


Do you prefer young Elvis, movie Elvis or Las Vegas Elvis?

***** this is why I believe Crowe had the 2 innings format in cricket max as the 2 innings aspect means less upsets of weaker teams beating strongervteams as seen in 50 over and t20 due to lucky bowling or batting and vice versa.
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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Boycs » Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:10 pm

Warning warning

Glenn maxwell has made a score

Warning warning

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Boycs » Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:12 pm

Paddles wrote:
Going South wrote:Show me one test specialist that is successful in T20?
I got 100s of GOOD T20 players who are successful in test cricket.
Duh!


Lol!

This is an even better logical failure!

You begged your own question:
How can test specialist remain a test specialist while demonstrating how good they are at t20.

Your logic is terrible.


Afraid he's got you there

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India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Going South » Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:54 pm

BoyCaught30 wrote:Warning warning

Glenn maxwell has made a score

Warning warning

Yes.
And paddles & raja flipped a switch upstairs as they cannot comprehend the fact that he of all people is the savior of Aussie cricket. ROFL.

All hail Maxwell is the future shining beacon that carry the Australian cricket torch to the future.

Maxwell for captaincy instead of that cheat Smith.

All hail the best all rounder in world cricket.

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India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Going South » Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:55 pm

lol@paddles picking on raja who on same side as him. Hahahahahaha

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All it needs is a small troll post that would bring out the troll in you if you got troll blood.

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India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Going South » Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:04 pm

Any good cricket player is an adaptive player as per match situation. He knows when to be aggressive and when needs to be patient waiting for opportunities. That's what we call temperament. This ability is not just useful in test cricket as some people with tunnel vision think. If you have ability to adopt you would automatically have ability to adopt for different game formats also. A good test player with adaptability would even can adopt to T20 and ODIs too and vice versa. If you are not that adoptable you are not a good player of cricket in general.

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Paddles » Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:04 pm

Going South wrote:lol@paddles picking on raja who on same side as him. Hahahahahaha

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Katto » Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:53 pm

anyone see that end of day interview between Michael Clarke and Steve Smith?

not much warmth there - awkward to watch

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Katto » Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:55 pm

By the way, Maxi was out twice in that innings and not given.
The first one was appealed and not given. Brett Lee picked up the glove (under-glove).
The second was an attempted run to third man which was edged straight to the keeper. No one appealed and the commentators completely missed it.

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Katto » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:02 pm

something a little karmic about Kohli leaving the field injured and Smith scoring a century :read:

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Paddles » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:05 pm

Going South wrote:Any good cricket player is an adaptive player as per match situation. He knows when to be aggressive and when needs to be patient waiting for opportunities. That's what we call temperament. This ability is not just useful in test cricket as some people with tunnel vision think. If you have ability to adopt you would automatically have ability to adopt for different game formats also. A good test player with adaptability would even can adopt to T20 and ODIs too and vice versa. If you are not that adoptable you are not a good player of cricket in general.


What is match awareness? Is that is what is possibly effected by factors having a psychological impact on player devision making like sledging, crowd, run rate pressure, and bad umpiring decisions.

Your adaptability theory is full of holes that ignore cricket nuances of individual player contribution and methods used to achieve this to contribute to team success between limited overs and multi day cricket. Some skills, a lot of skills are useful in both and some are only useful in one or the other. I suggest you read cricinfo's interview with Franklyn Stephenson on the slower ball for example, a fierce limited overs weapon but rarely as effective in tests as a weapon. But nicking batsmen off with a new ball is effective in both for example. A player can have total match awareness but lack the skills to execute a good counter ploy - Stokes yorkers to Braithwaite; and some just don't ever execute a counter ploy - Boycott not ever scoring fast, yet Hogg, Badree, Tahir and Sodhi dominate t20 and not test.

In t20 Afghanistan can beat any full icc member on their day, Ireland love beating England in 50 over but Banga and Zimbabwe test success is still rare. The games are different.
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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Going South » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:09 pm

Yawn

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Mick180461 » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:13 pm

Katto wrote:By the way, Maxi was out twice in that innings and not given.
The first one was appealed and not given. Brett Lee picked up the glove (under-glove).
The second was an attempted run to third man which was edged straight to the keeper. No one appealed and the commentators completely missed it.

Read the scorebook, it's the only thing that matters, Smith should have been out 4 times in the 2nd innings in Mumbai.

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Verity » Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:15 pm

Katto wrote:By the way, Maxi was out twice in that innings and not given.
The first one was appealed and not given. Brett Lee picked up the glove (under-glove).
The second was an attempted run to third man which was edged straight to the keeper. No one appealed and the commentators completely missed it.


Haha i thought there was a noise
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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Verity » Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:58 pm

Katto wrote:anyone see that end of day interview between Michael Clarke and Steve Smith?

not much warmth there - awkward to watch


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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:47 pm

Verity wrote:
Katto wrote:By the way, Maxi was out twice in that innings and not given.
The first one was appealed and not given. Brett Lee picked up the glove (under-glove).
The second was an attempted run to third man which was edged straight to the keeper. No one appealed and the commentators completely missed it.


Haha i thought there was a noise

Notioned Maxie got a little loose after he reached about 60. Forgot for while he was playing a Test not an ODI.

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:50 pm

BoyCaught30 wrote:Warning warning

Glenn maxwell has made a score

Warning warning

LOL Boycs30.

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Katto » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:28 am

Mick180461 wrote:
Katto wrote:By the way, Maxi was out twice in that innings and not given.
The first one was appealed and not given. Brett Lee picked up the glove (under-glove).
The second was an attempted run to third man which was edged straight to the keeper. No one appealed and the commentators completely missed it.

Read the scorebook, it's the only thing that matters, Smith should have been out 4 times in the 2nd innings in Mumbai.


just making an observation champ,

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Katto » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:28 am

Verity wrote:
Katto wrote:By the way, Maxi was out twice in that innings and not given.
The first one was appealed and not given. Brett Lee picked up the glove (under-glove).
The second was an attempted run to third man which was edged straight to the keeper. No one appealed and the commentators completely missed it.


Haha i thought there was a noise


I was surprised no one in the comm box picked it up. I guess they'd all nodded off by that stage.

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Katto » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:30 am

Verity wrote:
Katto wrote:anyone see that end of day interview between Michael Clarke and Steve Smith?

not much warmth there - awkward to watch


Why?


Clarke was pretty scathing of Steve Smith in wake of DRS-gate

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Katto » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:46 am

even Mitch Marsh could've scored runs on this pitch

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Verity » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:53 am

Katto wrote:even Mitch Marsh could've scored runs on this pitch


Will it be hard to bat on later?. Draw was paying $8 before the toss.
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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Bailey_C » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:55 am

Katto wrote:even Mitch Marsh could've scored runs on this pitch


Shaun didn't

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Verity » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:57 am

Bailey_C wrote:
Katto wrote:even Mitch Marsh could've scored runs on this pitch


Shaun didn't


Khawaja would be pissed off by now, I have no doubt he would have had more runs then that muppet.
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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Katto » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:09 am

Bailey_C wrote:
Katto wrote:even Mitch Marsh could've scored runs on this pitch


Shaun didn't


he also didnt bat at #6

I feel a little bit (but not too much) sorry for WOAT.
First two tests were on the toughest pitches you'd see anywhere and he misses the test on a bitumen road of a pitch.

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Katto » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:29 am

Verity wrote:
Katto wrote:even Mitch Marsh could've scored runs on this pitch


Will it be hard to bat on later?. Draw was paying $8 before the toss.


it might be

if this is anything like other Indian road pitches, eg Mohali, which plays like a road for 4 days then plays tricks and the 5th day

Australia will need 600 in the first innings to stave off defeat, even then draw may be favourite. Smith knows anything less than 600 wont be enough here.

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Katto » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:36 am

Brad Haddin starts every sentence with a stutter.
I I
He he
Oh oh

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Mick180461 » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:51 am

4 years ago another batsman who bowled spin was recalled for the 3rd test of the series in India, made 92 on return and hasn't looked back since, he was at the non strikers end when Maxi brought up his 100, has 1/2 the career from here as Smith, he won't be to bad.

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Katto » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:52 am

gets a hundred and gets out
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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:53 am

warning.. warning..

Glenn Maxwell has just hit a maiden cetury.

warning..warning.

Sorry Boycs30.. could not resist.

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Verity » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:54 am

Haha 104 and could have got out 12 times, pretty unconvincing but good innings all the same.
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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:56 am

We are getting pitch deterioration and it is only the second morning. Head for the hills every body.

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:58 am

Verity wrote:Haha 104 and could have got out 12 times, pretty unconvincing but good innings all the same.

He gave Smithy valuable support when he was anchoring the innings. Could be a career defining knock from Maxie. I did not think he had a Test century in him. Maybe now he will finally lose that annoying BIG SHOW nickname.

Smithy will now be looking to throw the bat as he only has arguably Australia's worst ever tail to come. That includes Wade.
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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Katto » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:02 am

1st innings job not done unless Australia score 600

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Mick180461 » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:09 am

Could be a day out for Wade, to good a player to keep making single figure scores all the time. Good enough to make 50s & 60s occasionally.

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Katto » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:12 am

this is a Wade sort of pitch. He has to make the most of it.

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Katto » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:24 am

Wade = worst judge of a run since Graeme Wood

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Katto » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:52 am

hmm I think India are on top now, they've won this session with 2 wickets and Jadeja has been excellent this morning

Aussies dont look like scoring much more than 440 now

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Mick180461 » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:53 am

India are currently playing their 12 Test match since September and are starting to look like a side running out of puff, suffering a lot of niggling injuries. Australia in the same period are playing their 9th. And have had 2 decent breaks away from tests.

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Katto » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:53 am

its collapso time again!!!! 3 down

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Katto » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:54 am

Mick180461 wrote:India are currently playing their 12 Test match since September and are starting to look like a side running out of puff, suffering a lot of niggling injuries. Australia in the same period are playing their 9th. And have had 2 decent breaks away from tests.


are you watching a stream on half hour delay?

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Mick180461 » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:57 am

There is absolutely nothing Cummins could have done about that.
Re : my previous post Jadeja is the exception, and the ball is starting to turn consistently, much rather be in Australias position, it's enough runs if the bowlers are good enough.

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Mick180461 » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:00 am

Katto wrote:
Mick180461 wrote:India are currently playing their 12 Test match since September and are starting to look like a side running out of puff, suffering a lot of niggling injuries. Australia in the same period are playing their 9th. And have had 2 decent breaks away from tests.


are you watching a stream on half hour delay?

No I'm watching it live, I'm watching 1 player stopping Australia running away with this.

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Katto » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:03 am

Mick180461 wrote:There is absolutely nothing Cummins could have done about that.
Re : my previous post Jadeja is the exception, and the ball is starting to turn consistently, much rather be in Australias position, it's enough runs if the bowlers are good enough.


its only turning out of the footmarks, which are in no position for Lyon to use

SOK doesnt turn it as much as Jadeja either, so I think India are in a good position if they knock over Australia under 450

500 is par, 600 you control the game

Lehmann said before the series, batting first on these sort of wickets you need to be scoring 600's not 400's. We saw England get rolled after scoring 400s in their first innings.

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:03 am

Mick180461 wrote:India are currently playing their 12 Test match since September and are starting to look like a side running out of puff, suffering a lot of niggling injuries. Australia in the same period are playing their 9th. And have had 2 decent breaks away from tests.

That is good Mick we need something to bring things back even. India may be running out of puff but they have conditions in their favor. They also have the best spinners for those conditions. Smithy running out of partners fast. Tail not helping as I suspected.

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Mick180461 » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:10 am

Katto wrote:
Mick180461 wrote:There is absolutely nothing Cummins could have done about that.
Re : my previous post Jadeja is the exception, and the ball is starting to turn consistently, much rather be in Australias position, it's enough runs if the bowlers are good enough.


its only turning out of the footmarks, which are in no position for Lyon to use

SOK doesnt turn it as much as Jadeja either, so I think India are in a good position if they knock over Australia under 450

500 is par, 600 you control the game

Lehmann said before the series, batting first on these sort of wickets you need to be scoring 600's not 400's. We saw England get rolled after scoring 400s in their first innings.

After O'Keefe taking 12/70 in Mumbai we are still going on about the bowlers who get the most spin being better bowlers? Australia has a better attack then England and the Cummins ball wasn't off the footmarks.

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Katto » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:11 am

Smith may have to start farming the strike to get this total up
Aussie tail these days is looking pretty flimsy

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Mick180461 » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:12 am

baggygreenmania wrote:
Mick180461 wrote:India are currently playing their 12 Test match since September and are starting to look like a side running out of puff, suffering a lot of niggling injuries. Australia in the same period are playing their 9th. And have had 2 decent breaks away from tests.

That is good Mick we need something to bring things back even. India may be running out of puff but they have conditions in their favor. They also have the best spinners for those conditions. Smithy running out of partners fast. Tail not helping as I suspected.

Cummins is the only tailender out and he got an absolute jaffa, bit early to talk about the tail isn't it?

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Re: India vs Australia: 3rd Test; March 16-20, 2017 at Ranchi

Postby Katto » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:13 am

Mick180461 wrote:
Katto wrote:
its only turning out of the footmarks, which are in no position for Lyon to use

SOK doesnt turn it as much as Jadeja either, so I think India are in a good position if they knock over Australia under 450

500 is par, 600 you control the game

Lehmann said before the series, batting first on these sort of wickets you need to be scoring 600's not 400's. We saw England get rolled after scoring 400s in their first innings.

After O'Keefe taking 12/70 in Mumbai we are still going on about the bowlers who get the most spin being better bowlers? Australia has a better attack then England and the Cummins ball wasn't off the footmarks.


Cummins ball didnt spin :wall:
SOK got 12 wickets on a rank turner - this isnt

SOK and Lyon may do ok on day 5 ...if they get to day 5 with a lead