India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

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India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Boycs » Sat Feb 25, 2017 12:13 pm

India
Lokesh Rahul, Murali Vijay, Cheteshwar Pujara, Virat Kohli(c), Ajinkya Rahane, Wriddhiman Saha, Ravichandran Ashwin, Ravindra Jadeja, Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Umesh Yadav, Ishant Sharma, Abhinav Mukund, Karun Nair, Jayant Yadav, Kuldeep Yadav, Hardik Pandya,

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David Warner, Matt Renshaw, Usman Khawaja, Steven Smith(c), Peter Handscomb, Steve O'Keefe, Josh Hazlewood, Nathan Lyon, Shaun Marsh, Jackson Bird, Glenn Maxwell, Mitchell Swepson, Ashton Agar, Matthew Wade, Mitchell Marsh, Mitchell Starc,


Let the baiting begin

THE PITCH! Etc.

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby raja » Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:52 pm

Wonder what sort of wicket BCCI will produce.

If they don't have a flat track, they might choose to go with another batsman. In which case, Karun Nair might be in, seeing as this is his home ground.

Can't wait to read tomorrow's papers about this 333-run defeat. :-)

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Boycs » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:29 pm

Are India going to make changes, do you think?

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Mick180461 » Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:02 am

Australia won't change their side at all(excepting injury of course) just no reason. The Rabid minority will scream blue murder about the Marshes but they will play.

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Misty » Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:56 am

Mick180461 wrote:Australia won't change their side at all(excepting injury of course) just no reason. The Rabid minority will scream blue murder about the Marshes but they will play.


If they not, series will be level 1/1. Winning team not makes changes but BANGLURU different ball game
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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Mick180461 » Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:11 am

Misty wrote:
Mick180461 wrote:Australia won't change their side at all(excepting injury of course) just no reason. The Rabid minority will scream blue murder about the Marshes but they will play.


If they not, series will be level 1/1. Winning team not makes changes but BANGLURU different ball game


You know local conditions better than me so what changes would you make, realisticly there is only one change we may see that is Khawaja for Shaun Marsh, i don't think it will happen but it's the only one they would think about but that is a like for like, both LH top order Bats. If the wkt is not so spin friendly then the 5th bowler in Marsh could be handy. They certainly aren't going to change the bowling.

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Bailey_C » Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:20 am

This test is set to be an intriguing match. Are India going to make some changes? Is that the best opening duo they have? Will they persist with Issant Sharma?

As for the Aussies. Do we keep the mediocre Marsh brothers? How does Wade keep getting picked?

In the end the same side will be picked. If it were up to me. Uzzie in for Smarsh. Maxwell in for the other Marsh and Peter Neville on the next plane to Bangalore

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby raja » Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:55 am

Welcome back, Bailey. It's been a while! -)

To be fair to Wade, his keeping was pretty good in this First Test.

I've never rated him for Tests, so it came as a pleasant surprise.

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Bailey_C » Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:18 am

Cheers Raja. This series reminded me of the CricForum so I thought I should pop back in.

Wade is diabolical. Neville is superior in every facet except he doesn't have a "NICE GARRRY" in his arsenal. Sad really

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Katto » Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:37 am

raja wrote:Welcome back, Bailey. It's been a while! -)

To be fair to Wade, his keeping was pretty good in this First Test.

I've never rated him for Tests, so it came as a pleasant surprise.


one thing in favour of that Pune pitch...it didnt have variable bounce at any point

granted the match only went 3 days, however thats what really tests a keeper

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Misty » Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:13 am

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raja wrote:Welcome back, Bailey. It's been a while! -)

To be fair to Wade, his keeping was pretty good in this First Test.

I've never rated him for Tests, so it came as a pleasant surprise.


one thing in favour of that Pune pitch...it didnt have variable bounce at any point

granted the match only went 3 days, however thats what really tests a keeper


Wicket was good because Australian batsman scored 260 + 285=545 for 20 wickets but India only 212 off 444 ball for the lost of 20 wickets.

So its technique of Indian batsman, I am afraid SOK might trouble Indians more at Ranchi (début) if Indians not play to the Line of the ball.
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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Misty » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:31 pm

Mick180461 wrote:
Misty wrote:
If they not, series will be level 1/1. Winning team not makes changes but BANGLURU different ball game


You know local conditions better than me so what changes would you make, realisticly there is only one change we may see that is Khawaja for Shaun Marsh, i don't think it will happen but it's the only one they would think about but that is a like for like, both LH top order Bats. If the wkt is not so spin friendly then the 5th bowler in Marsh could be handy. They certainly aren't going to change the bowling.


Did you remember Srilankan series, AUSTRALIA defeated 1/2/3rd test he was ignores there
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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Katto » Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:47 pm

Misty wrote:
Mick180461 wrote:
You know local conditions better than me so what changes would you make, realisticly there is only one change we may see that is Khawaja for Shaun Marsh, i don't think it will happen but it's the only one they would think about but that is a like for like, both LH top order Bats. If the wkt is not so spin friendly then the 5th bowler in Marsh could be handy. They certainly aren't going to change the bowling.


Did you remember Srilankan series, AUSTRALIA defeated 1/2/3rd test he was ignores there


for the 5th time: he played in the first two tests

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Katto » Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:49 pm

India's attack is fine

they dont need to change anything if they play on a normal pitch next match

if they get another rank turner, then i'd agree with the commentators - play an extra batsman and drop Ishant

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Going South » Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:55 pm

Or take a better spinner instead of found-out ashwin & jadeja.

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Going South » Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:59 pm

Kohli's pride is dented. Wonder what he would do ?
I am also eager to see fireworks.
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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Verity » Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:00 pm

Going South wrote:Or take a better spinner instead of found-out ashwin & jadeja.


Both were spinning it too much on this pitch, O'Keefe isnt a huge spinner of the ball so it worked in his favour.
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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Verity » Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:29 pm

India 3-1 favourite with the bookies :lol:
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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Boycs » Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:37 pm

Verity wrote:
Going South wrote:Or take a better spinner instead of found-out ashwin & jadeja.


Both were spinning it too much on this pitch, O'Keefe isnt a huge spinner of the ball so it worked in his favour.


One of the things I admired, and feared, about Warne was his keen sense of how much, or how little, rotation he needed to impart on the ball to get the desired effect depending on the pitch. And he had the technique to vary the delivery so specifically. To me this always contrasts with someone like Murali or Iverson, players with a gift of biology able to impart tremendous spin all the time rather than using the nuance of variety in rotation.

Warne could out think anyone. Hated him :D

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Going South » Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:44 pm

Verity wrote:India 3-1 favourite with the bookies :lol:

Bullshit.
I back Australia win this one too & won't be surprised if it's a 4 day match.

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Mick180461 » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:14 am

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Both were spinning it too much on this pitch, O'Keefe isnt a huge spinner of the ball so it worked in his favour.


One of the things I admired, and feared, about Warne was his keen sense of how much, or how little, rotation he needed to impart on the ball to get the desired effect depending on the pitch. And he had the technique to vary the delivery so specifically. To me this always contrasts with someone like Murali or Iverson, players with a gift of biology able to impart tremendous spin all the time rather than using the nuance of variety in rotation.

Warne could out think anyone. Hated him :D


Warnes deadliest ball was the staight Leg Break and the Umpires never got that. If Warne had the DRS during his time he would have taken another 50 wkts.

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Bailey_C » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:04 am

Mick180461 wrote:
BoyCaught30 wrote:
One of the things I admired, and feared, about Warne was his keen sense of how much, or how little, rotation he needed to impart on the ball to get the desired effect depending on the pitch. And he had the technique to vary the delivery so specifically. To me this always contrasts with someone like Murali or Iverson, players with a gift of biology able to impart tremendous spin all the time rather than using the nuance of variety in rotation.

Warne could out think anyone. Hated him :D


Warnes deadliest ball was the staight Leg Break and the Umpires never got that. If Warne had the DRS during his time he would have taken another 50 wkts.


Imagine a post cricket Warnie with 50 more wickets. He'd be even more of an unbearable prick

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Verity » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:38 am

Mick180461 wrote:
BoyCaught30 wrote:
One of the things I admired, and feared, about Warne was his keen sense of how much, or how little, rotation he needed to impart on the ball to get the desired effect depending on the pitch. And he had the technique to vary the delivery so specifically. To me this always contrasts with someone like Murali or Iverson, players with a gift of biology able to impart tremendous spin all the time rather than using the nuance of variety in rotation.

Warne could out think anyone. Hated him :D


Warnes deadliest ball was the staight Leg Break and the Umpires never got that. If Warne had the DRS during his time he would have taken another 50 wkts.


Minus the 50-70 he got that went his way so it would have evened itself out, haha Aussies of the early 2000's appealed aggressivley and recieved howler after howler go there way ;)
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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:51 am

Bugger two extra days to wait for the Bangalore Test. You are from there aren't you raja? I should imagine India is reeling after that shellacking. Will they change strategy and prepare a completely different pich to the last as they were simply outplayed with bat and ball on it?

The Baggies will not change a winning side. SMarsh will remain..after all his replacement is no better player of spin than is he. So much for this horses-for courses- selection policy CA espoused in picking this side. There are far better spin players than these two playing in domestic cricket at this very moment. One of them is George Bailey. Looks headed for a 1000 run shield season.

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Mick180461 » Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:57 am

Bailey_C wrote:
Mick180461 wrote:
Warnes deadliest ball was the staight Leg Break and the Umpires never got that. If Warne had the DRS during his time he would have taken another 50 wkts.


Imagine a post cricket Warnie with 50 more wickets. He'd be even more of an unbearable prick


Being too nice there mate, can't bring himself to admit he was wrong about O'Keefe.

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Katto » Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:09 am

Going South wrote:
Verity wrote:India 3-1 favourite with the bookies :lol:

Bullshit.
I back Australia win this one too & won't be surprised if it's a 4 day match.


well it had been 4000 and something days since Australia last won a test match in India, so with one aberration I can see how 3-1 is still favourite.

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:17 am

raja wrote:Welcome back, Bailey. It's been a while! -)

To be fair to Wade, his keeping was pretty good in this First Test.

I've never rated him for Tests, so it came as a pleasant surprise.

I agree with that raja. He pulled off a smart stumping and generally looked tidy. Surprised me to hell to be honest.

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby mukeshkr » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:30 pm

Australia Win 1st Match with Huge margin and that was not the fault of Indian Cricket Team this was the fault of Pitch Coordinator who will set Bowling Wicket and India Play all the Previous Test Cricket Matches at Batting pitches and also on this where India lost the game Simmers Get Good Bounce Swin and more that why India Lose the match. We hope next match become Interesting and India Will Win the game..
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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:30 pm

This barb is aimed at the BCCI not Indians. I think doctored pitches stink. They should be outlawed as they give the hosting team an enormous advantage. As if they do not have sufficient advantage to start with.. paraochial crowds and the weather for instance.

Touring India is an experience that a young Australian cricketer should cherish.. It is a facinating country with centuries of tradition and history.. It is also a cricket mad nation. The sport to them is more like a religion than just a simple part of their culture.

While the Indian fan welcomes an Indian win I am sure that they would also prefer it was done on a level playing field. Best man wins because he is simply that..the best not because he had the conditions in his favor.

The simple truth is that the contest between bat and ball has gone out of the game when a team tours another country. It could be said that tourists are nothing more than lambs to the slaughter.

I propose that the visiting side should have a say in the pitch preparation and then get first use of that pitch...abolishing the outmoded toss for good. That should help stop pitch doctoring or at the very least slow it. Failing that, the ICC should ban this incidious practice once and for all. I for one would be a happy cricket tragic is that were to happen.
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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:54 pm

This may be a dumb question. If Usman Khawaja is deemed a good net bowler why does he not bowl in games? I recall watching Uz roll over his arm in some early games for the Blues. I remember thinking at the time that this guy is not bad.. he should bowl more.

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby baggygreenmania » Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:14 am

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-aus ... 84393.html

Some interesting viewpoints by a couple of well respected Indians on Steve Smith's Pune century.

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Katto » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:58 am

baggygreenmania wrote:This may be a dumb question. If Usman Khawaja is deemed a good net bowler why does he not bowl in games? I recall watching Uz roll over his arm in some early games for the Blues. I remember thinking at the time that this guy is not bad.. he should bowl more.


he needs to be picked first

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Katto » Wed Mar 01, 2017 7:00 am

baggygreenmania wrote:This barb is aimed at the BCCI not Indians. I think doctored pitches stink. They should be outlawed as they give the hosting team an enormous advantage. As if they do not have sufficient advantage to start with.. paraochial crowds and the weather for instance.

Touring India is an experience that a young Australian cricketer should cherish.. It is a facinating country with centuries of tradition and history.. It is also a cricket mad nation. The sport to them is more like a religion than just a simple part of their culture.

While the Indian fan welcomes an Indian win I am sure that they would also prefer it was done on a level playing field. Best man wins because he is simply that..the best not because he had the conditions in his favor.

The simple truth is that the contest between bat and ball has gone out of the game when a team tours another country. It could be said that tourists are nothing more than lambs to the slaughter.

I propose that the visiting side should have a say in the pitch preparation and then get first use of that pitch...abolishing the outmoded toss for good. That should help stop pitch doctoring or at the very least slow it. Failing that, the ICC should ban this incidious practice once and for all. I for one would be a happy cricket tragic is that were to happen.


difficult to prove a doctored pitch

some pitches are poor because of prevailing weather conditions or unexpected conditions

eg, if there's either been a lot of rain leading up or the converse...a prolonged heatwave

in Australia for example this charge would be laid every few years or so as the climate is so variable with cyclical droughts and flooding rains that dont happen every year

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Going South » Wed Mar 01, 2017 7:45 am

Oh. I hear BCCI is going to be penalized for 20,000 Australian dollars fine over bad pitch. Hmmm

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Verity » Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:50 am

Going South wrote:Oh. I hear BCCI is going to be penalized for 20,000 Australian dollars fine over bad pitch. Hmmm


Didnt the curator come out and say he was forced into producing such a pitch?
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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Katto » Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:25 am

Verity wrote:
Going South wrote:Oh. I hear BCCI is going to be penalized for 20,000 Australian dollars fine over bad pitch. Hmmm


Didnt the curator come out and say he was forced into producing such a pitch?


not the curator, but a source close to the curator

either way, the curator was just following orders

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:31 am

"difficult to prove a doctored pitch" your words Katto. Well BCCI take a look at the bare patches you ordered outside the left handers off stump. Then tell us that is not a doctored pitch. It is set up for classy tweaker Ravi Ashwin to target our bevy of lefties in Renshaw, Warner, SMarsh and Wade.
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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Misty » Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:35 am

First of all weather will be biggest enemy on Sunday as heavy rains forecast right now, can't get away.
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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Mick180461 » Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:14 am

Misty wrote:First of all weather will be biggest enemy on Sunday as heavy rains forecast right now, can't get away.

No complaints from me working W/E off Mon-tues.

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:37 am

Same Aussie X1 picked for 2nd Test people. No surprise in that as CA would have been loathe to change a winning side.. specially after such an emphatic victory. The clamps are really on the Marsh bros to deliver here in Bangalore. It should be more of a batting track than the Pune minefield so runs are there for the taking...

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Katto » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:28 am

thats the only thing that saved them in my opinion...the excuse that Pune was sub par so give them a chance on a better pitch

not so much the winning side aspect as they contributed next to nothing to it, especially Shaun who dropped catches as well

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Boycs » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:36 am

The triumphant Australians return!
Smith, Starc, Wade and Warner!
The Indians, will they have learnt?
From the example of the former.
The Indian pitches will turn,
Will the team too, turn a corner?
She hopes that the Aussies will burn,
and winners medals will adorn her
Forget the fight for the urn,
We prefer to fight somewhere warmer.
Like in India's summer sojourn
To thrash the Australian performers.

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Going South » Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:28 pm

LOL.
thanks for the jinx.
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India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Going South » Fri Mar 03, 2017 1:32 pm

I met a cricket player from subcontinent land,
Who said—“Two huge innings of bowling prowess in the tampered pitch. . . . Near them, on the stands,
Half lit a shattered visage of score board lies, whose scorecard tell a story,
And low scores, and sneer of cold bowling command,
Tell that its commentators well those passions read
Which yet survive, stumped on these lifeless pitch,
The umpire's hand that mocked them, and the review that failed;
And on the scoreboard, these words appear:
My name is Steve Ozymandias Keefe, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal test match, boundless and bare
The lone and level bowling records stretch far away.”

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby raja » Fri Mar 03, 2017 1:51 pm

Hoping for a similar result.
Need not be as emphatic as Pune but make it happen please, Smith & co.
Already dreaming of 2-0. :-)

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Going South » Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:30 pm

Do we see same players or any replacements?

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby Mick180461 » Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:18 pm

Going South wrote:Do we see same players or any replacements?


Australia have announced the same side as 1st test.

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:17 pm

Going South wrote:I met a cricket player from subcontinent land,
Who said—“Two huge innings of bowling prowess in the tampered pitch. . . . Near them, on the stands,
Half lit a shattered visage of score board lies, whose scorecard tell a story,
And low scores, and sneer of cold bowling command,
Tell that its commentators well those passions read
Which yet survive, stumped on these lifeless pitch,
The umpire's hand that mocked them, and the review that failed;
And on the scoreboard, these words appear:
My name is Steve Ozymandias Keefe, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal test match, boundless and bare
The lone and level bowling records stretch far away.”

We have a bard in our midst. Eloquently compliled Going South.

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:33 pm

BoyCaught30 wrote:The triumphant Australians return!
Smith, Starc, Wade and Warner!
The Indians, will they have learnt?
From the example of the former.
The Indian pitches will turn,
Will the team too, turn a corner?
She hopes that the Aussies will burn,
and winners medals will adorn her
Forget the fight for the urn,
We prefer to fight somewhere warmer.
Like in India's summer sojourn
To thrash the Australian performers.

Very witty Boycs30. Hopefully it is the Aussies once again doing the thrashing. Warming up for the November Ashes battle.

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Re: India vs Australia: 2nd Test; March 4-8, 2017 at Bangalore

Postby baggygreenmania » Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:39 pm

If it remains a lively green top, which I doubt, I see Australia doing well as we have the superior quicks. If on the other hand it breaks up but not like the Pune dust bowl, and becomes a true spinners pitch then I see Ashwin and Jadeja dominating. Misty said there were some decks in this series being used for test cricket for the first time. Is this one of them ? Toss will be all important.


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