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India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby Going South » Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:29 am

baggygreenmania wrote:
BoyCaught30 wrote:I'll archive this one (obviously we can all still post here whenever) as the second test thread is up already

Boycs30. Are we still using the Aussie v India discussion thread for between tests?

I hope you and the admin guys read my post about Moony.

Yes baggy. We read it. Thank you for your support. It's well written. Our site is owned by people of Indian origins that are expats. Any expat cricket lover would connect it here much better rather than local fan boys. That does not mean we all are hardcore BCCI supporters. Raja (European citizen) is the prime example. If you notice we call BCCI often instead of India in all our discussions. There is a reason. All these cricket boards of BCCI, CA, ECB, PCB etc are PRIVATELY owned cricket boards that are listed as "non profit organizations" in their countries. They run their boards with iron fists with self preservation and profit maximization as the primary goal rather than what is good for game. We hate such attitude. 20 years back BCCI is a good non corrupt organization (?) that has health of game as priority. Now is not the case. We Don't say Indians suck in 1st test. We Say BCCI SUCKS. Now we don't want to call such private teams as "Effing English" or "Effing Indians" or other derogatory terms generalizing entire nation or race for every reference. Praise or brickbats should be limited to these boards alone not countries so we encourage use of words of BCCI or CA to cuss and vent frustrations rather than hurt sentiments of Indians or Australians in general with any racist slurs ! Moony is welcome here as long as he accept that this forum is not just for Australians alone but have an open mind. Hope he is reading our conversations. :up:

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Re: India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby Katto » Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:46 am

Going South wrote:
baggygreenmania wrote:Boycs30. Are we still using the Aussie v India discussion thread for between tests?

I hope you and the admin guys read my post about Moony.

Yes baggy. We read it. Thank you for your support. It's well written. Our site is owned by people of Indian origins that are expats. Any expat cricket lover would connect it here much better rather than local fan boys. That does not mean we all are hardcore BCCI supporters. Raja (European citizen) is the prime example. If you notice we call BCCI often instead of India in all our discussions. There is a reason. All these cricket boards of BCCI, CA, ECB, PCB etc are PRIVATELY owned cricket boards that are listed as "non profit organizations" in their countries. They run their boards with iron fists with self preservation and profit maximization as the primary goal rather than what is good for game. We hate such attitude. 20 years back BCCI is a good non corrupt organization (?) that has health of game as priority. Now is not the case. We Don't say Indians suck in 1st test. We Say BCCI SUCKS. Now we don't want to call such private teams as "Effing English" or "Effing Indians" or other derogatory terms generalizing entire nation or race for every reference. Praise or brickbats should be limited to these boards alone not countries so we encourage use of words of BCCI or CA to cuss and vent frustrations rather than hurt sentiments of Indians or Australians in general with any racist slurs ! Moony is welcome here as long as he accept that this forum is not just for Australians alone but have an open mind. Hope he is reading our conversations. :up:


:up: good post

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Re: India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby Misty » Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:57 am

Katto wrote::lol:

Why does he want my home address?

GTFO

this forum is for cricket lovers more so than bandwagon jumpers - the latter dont usually last as soon as their team loses they're nowhere to be seen

its not really cool to appear out of nowhere to jump all over our Indian friends when their team experiences a rare home loss - its just a game, its not war



Who ask your home address ?
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Re: India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby Katto » Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:11 am

Misty wrote:
Katto wrote::lol:

Why does he want my home address?

GTFO

this forum is for cricket lovers more so than bandwagon jumpers - the latter dont usually last as soon as their team loses they're nowhere to be seen

its not really cool to appear out of nowhere to jump all over our Indian friends when their team experiences a rare home loss - its just a game, its not war



Who ask your home address ?
You should post References


I prefer to be vague and keep you guessing.
Now you know how it feels decoding your posts :nana:

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Re: India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby Paddles » Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:27 am

I often don't see eye to eye with going south, for instance he is wrong to suggest that national cricket boards like CA, ECB and BCCI are privately owned, (but his sentiment of authoritarian individuals acting questionably in control of these boards that exert influence is another matter) but I agree with him that this forum is no place for derrogatory racist slurs.

Either give people the benefit of construing what they express to their intended meaning, or waste your time arguing via straw mans - if a post is so unintelligible as to convey no sensible meaning then either seek clarification or just move on.

In my personal experience, many who learn english as a second, third or fourth or more language end up with lexicons that are more vast than many native speakers. Striped Lungi - an Indian on this forum from and in India - would run rings round many english speakers within English, as well as on topics of European culture and Western history - unfortunately for us and him - he is well aware of this fact and often seeks to do so regularly.

But feel free to argue with GS - just leave ethnicity out of the arguing.
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Re: India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby Katto » Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:35 am

Paddles wrote: I agree with him that this forum is no place for derrogatory racist slurs.


sheep shaggers :doh:

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Re: India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby Paddles » Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:39 am

Katto wrote:
Paddles wrote: I agree with him that this forum is no place for derrogatory racist slurs.


sheep shaggers :doh:


5th generation convicts overpaid for digging holes in the ground :lol:
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Re: India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby Misty » Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:52 am

Katto wrote:
Misty wrote:

Who ask your home address ?
You should post References


I prefer to be vague and keep you guessing.
Now you know how it feels decoding your posts :nana:


What the hell you talking about, explain Briefly
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Re: India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby Boycs » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:30 pm

Misty wrote:
Katto wrote:
I prefer to be vague and keep you guessing.
Now you know how it feels decoding your posts :nana:


What the hell you talking about, explain Briefly


Someone posted a post that was a bit close to the mark, questioning Katto allegiance based on where he lived. It's been deleted so you might not have seen it. Don't worry

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Re: India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby Boycs » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:36 pm

raja wrote:Boycs, I've taken the liberty of moving this thread back from the Archives to the Live Cricket Forum.
I think it's too early to archive it. We haven't even been able to soak (or, should that be SOK) it in fully - it is such a wonderful achievement by these Aussie players. :-)

I'd be in no hurry to archive this. :-) Maybe after the 2nd Test - depending on how that one goes. If BCCI win that one, we can archive both threads ina hurry. :-)


How dare you cross me raja, I'll never forgive you for this :P

Though I like the idea that India will fold so quickly that it would out pace our ability to archive threads :D

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Re: India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby Katto » Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:50 pm

BoyCaught30 wrote:
Misty wrote:
What the hell you talking about, explain Briefly


Someone posted a post that was a bit close to the mark, questioning Katto allegiance based on where he lived. It's been deleted so you might not have seen it. Don't worry


further proof of my unbiased commentary :cool:

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Re: India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby Paddles » Sun Feb 26, 2017 2:26 pm

BoyCaught30 wrote:
Misty wrote:
What the hell you talking about, explain Briefly


Someone posted a post that was a bit close to the mark, questioning Katto allegiance based on where he lived. It's been deleted so you might not have seen it. Don't worry


Not only is it not deleted - its been quoted twice since. Close to the mark, or way off the mark?
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Re: India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby Boycs » Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:07 pm

Maybe there are multiple marks

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Re: India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby Katto » Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:25 am

Ground staff claims India 'hijacked' Pune pitch
7Sport on February 27, 2017, 1:09 pm

A local 'insider' has told Indian media of the lengths the home side went to in order to 'doctor' the pitch for the first Test in Pune.

India are famous for preparing 'minefield' pitches to suit their world-class spinners, but this time it backfired spectacularly.

A staff member of the Maharashtra Cricket Association Stadium (MCA) has claimed the ground staff were ordered to prepare a "rank turner" by team management.

"When the MCA refused...the senior member of the team management took the issue to the state association curator Pandurang Salgaoncar," the MCA member told the Indian Express.

"When he too resisted, the matter was placed before the BCCI curators (Parsana and Daljit), but even they were a tad reluctant. Then, the BCCI management (not the Committee of Administrators, the cricket board employees) came into the picture.

"The ground staff had been ordered to remove the grass completely. Things were hijacked from the local curators."


more here...
https://au.sports.yahoo.com/cricket/a/3 ... aff/#page1

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Re: India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby Bailey_C » Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:40 am

Katto wrote:
Ground staff claims India 'hijacked' Pune pitch
7Sport on February 27, 2017, 1:09 pm

A local 'insider' has told Indian media of the lengths the home side went to in order to 'doctor' the pitch for the first Test in Pune.

India are famous for preparing 'minefield' pitches to suit their world-class spinners, but this time it backfired spectacularly.

A staff member of the Maharashtra Cricket Association Stadium (MCA) has claimed the ground staff were ordered to prepare a "rank turner" by team management.

"When the MCA refused...the senior member of the team management took the issue to the state association curator Pandurang Salgaoncar," the MCA member told the Indian Express.

"When he too resisted, the matter was placed before the BCCI curators (Parsana and Daljit), but even they were a tad reluctant. Then, the BCCI management (not the Committee of Administrators, the cricket board employees) came into the picture.

"The ground staff had been ordered to remove the grass completely. Things were hijacked from the local curators."


more here...
https://au.sports.yahoo.com/cricket/a/3 ... aff/#page1


Wonder if Kohli was in on it. He didn't seem to pleased with the state of the pitch.

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Re: India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby Katto » Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:06 am

Bailey_C wrote:


Wonder if Kohli was in on it. He didn't seem to pleased with the state of the pitch.


I doubt it

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Re: India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby Going South » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:09 am

Man. BCCI management does it again. Another "dirty" feather in their cap err up their collective asses.
Disgusting.
Keep the game sanity. Work on improving skills and coaching to win rather than win back door.
It's not just BCCI but all boards do it.
ICC should penalize boards if they find that if a ground is tampered irrespective of who wins.
I say there should be ICC team inspection of every pitch before any match consisting of foreigners just like neutral umpires. If found not fit or tampered cancel the game.

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Re: India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby Bailey_C » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:23 am

Going South wrote:Man. BCCI management does it again. Another "dirty" feather in their cap err up their collective asses.
Disgusting.
Keep the game sanity. Work on improving skills and coaching to win rather than win back door.
It's not just BCCI but all boards do it.
ICC should penalize boards if they find that if a ground is tampered irrespective of who wins.
I say there should be ICC team inspection of every pitch before any match consisting of foreigners just like neutral umpires. If found not fit or tampered cancel the game.


Don't know about that.

Doctored pitches are part of the charm/challenge of touring India. It's also part of the charm of test cricket. When Australia tours India the team and fans know there will be challenges. Doctored Pitches, oppressive heat, dodgy food, parochial crowds and the 24/7 cricket culture. That's what makes it a Test. Personally I'd hate to see it go away

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Re: India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby Going South » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:37 am

You talk as if only BCCI doctors pitches.
You know, we follow ashes too.

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Re: India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby Bailey_C » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:43 am

We used to doctor pitches. Now we prepare dropped in roads

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India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby Going South » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:44 am

I find ECB more notorious in pitch tampering than the Aussies.

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Re: India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby Katto » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:27 pm

Bailey_C wrote:
Going South wrote:Man. BCCI management does it again. Another "dirty" feather in their cap err up their collective asses.
Disgusting.
Keep the game sanity. Work on improving skills and coaching to win rather than win back door.
It's not just BCCI but all boards do it.
ICC should penalize boards if they find that if a ground is tampered irrespective of who wins.
I say there should be ICC team inspection of every pitch before any match consisting of foreigners just like neutral umpires. If found not fit or tampered cancel the game.


Don't know about that.

Doctored pitches are part of the charm/challenge of touring India. It's also part of the charm of test cricket. When Australia tours India the team and fans know there will be challenges. Doctored Pitches, oppressive heat, dodgy food, parochial crowds and the 24/7 cricket culture. That's what makes it a Test. Personally I'd hate to see it go away


there's a difference between normal Indian pitches and doctored pitches

I say there's only been two instances in recent memory of actual doctored pitches in India for the B-G trophy.
This one and that Mumbai 4th test in 2004

I think any pitch that is prepared deliberately to not provide a fair contest between bat and ball would be considered doctored.

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Re: India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby Katto » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:28 pm

Going South wrote:I find ECB more notorious in pitch tampering than the Aussies.


I would agree with that.
I would say ECB are worse than the BCCI or PCB in this regard too.

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Re: India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby Mick180461 » Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:33 am

Katto wrote:
Bailey_C wrote:
Don't know about that.

Doctored pitches are part of the charm/challenge of touring India. It's also part of the charm of test cricket. When Australia tours India the team and fans know there will be challenges. Doctored Pitches, oppressive heat, dodgy food, parochial crowds and the 24/7 cricket culture. That's what makes it a Test. Personally I'd hate to see it go away


there's a difference between normal Indian pitches and doctored pitches

I say there's only been two instances in recent memory of actual doctored pitches in India for the B-G trophy.
This one and that Mumbai 4th test in 2004

I think any pitch that is prepared deliberately to not provide a fair contest between bat and ball would be considered doctored.


Chris Broad (match referee) has officially called the 1st test pitch poor and a report has gone to the ICC and the BCCI has 14 days to respond.

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Re: India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:32 pm

Going South wrote:
baggygreenmania wrote:Boycs30. Are we still using the Aussie v India discussion thread for between tests?

I hope you and the admin guys read my post about Moony.

Yes baggy. We read it. Thank you for your support. It's well written. Our site is owned by people of Indian origins that are expats. Any expat cricket lover would connect it here much better rather than local fan boys. That does not mean we all are hardcore BCCI supporters. Raja (European citizen) is the prime example. If you notice we call BCCI often instead of India in all our discussions. There is a reason. All these cricket boards of BCCI, CA, ECB, PCB etc are PRIVATELY owned cricket boards that are listed as "non profit organizations" in their countries. They run their boards with iron fists with self preservation and profit maximization as the primary goal rather than what is good for game. We hate such attitude. 20 years back BCCI is a good non corrupt organization (?) that has health of game as priority. Now is not the case. We Don't say Indians suck in 1st test. We Say BCCI SUCKS. Now we don't want to call such private teams as "Effing English" or "Effing Indians" or other derogatory terms generalizing entire nation or race for every reference. Praise or brickbats should be limited to these boards alone not countries so we encourage use of words of BCCI or CA to cuss and vent frustrations rather than hurt sentiments of Indians or Australians in general with any racist slurs ! Moony is welcome here as long as he accept that this forum is not just for Australians alone but have an open mind. Hope he is reading our conversations. :up:

Going South.That explains a few things. I had a feeling most of the CF members were expat Indians or Asians in general. I knew Misty was as she told me. Katto and Verity also? I have to say thank you for allowing Mick, Mike and I to join as having Aussies on the site kinda goes away from what you set up as a forum. Moony is a friend so I will forgive him. Incidently we have not spoken since. So perhaps I have lost that friendship as he did not like what I wrote. I was trying to sit on the fence and not take sides but present a point for both sides. .

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Re: India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby Boycs » Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:45 pm

I might have overreacted too, not that anyone noticed :D

I'm just very protective of my beloved going south :P

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Re: India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby Katto » Wed Mar 01, 2017 7:04 am

I'm pretty sure I'm not of Indian heritage. :lmao:

The old timers here know that, but some of the newbies might confuse unbiased commentary, jinxing (a forum tradition) and trolling as being unaustralian :mrgreen:

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Re: India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:10 am

Katto wrote:I'm pretty sure I'm not of Indian heritage. :lmao:

The old timers here know that, but some of the newbies might confuse unbiased commentary, jinxing (a forum tradition) and trolling as being unaustralian :mrgreen:

So you are dinky die like we three Katto? Those that post only to cricticise another's opinion should be banned from all sports forums. I like a good discussion, banter and even some mildly heated debate..but definitely not trolls.

The BCCI looks to have prepared a grassy green top at Bangalore to negate Starc and Hazlewood from getting any any reverse swing as the surface will be less abrasive on the ball. I was always of the notion that a green top would help a seam bowler as it allows the seam to better grip providing some lateral movement. This will play into the hands of Josh Hazlewood for one. Will CA now choose Jackson Bird..Australia other specialist seamer?

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Re: India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby Mick180461 » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:24 am

baggygreenmania wrote:
Katto wrote:I'm pretty sure I'm not of Indian heritage. :lmao:

The old timers here know that, but some of the newbies might confuse unbiased commentary, jinxing (a forum tradition) and trolling as being unaustralian :mrgreen:

So you are dinky die like we three Katto? Those that post only to cricticise another's opinion should be banned from all sports forums. I like a good discussion, banter and even some mildly heated debate..but definitely not trolls.

The BCCI looks to have prepared a grassy green top at Bangalore to negate Starc and Hazlewood from getting any any reverse swing as the surface will be less abrasive on the ball. I was always of the notion that a green top would help a seam bowler as it allows the seam to better grip providing some lateral movement. This will play into the hands of Josh Hazlewood for one. Will CA now choose Jackson Bird..Australia other specialist seamer?


If you are going to play Bird who are you going to drop, you could drop M Marsh bat Wade & Starc 6& 7 but that is weakining a strength (Starc @ 8) to strengthen a weakness(only 2 pace bowlers) creating a long tail and that doesn't tend to work. Drop Lyon or O'Keefe?

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Re: India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby Katto » Thu Mar 02, 2017 2:29 am

baggygreenmania wrote:
Katto wrote:I'm pretty sure I'm not of Indian heritage. :lmao:

The old timers here know that, but some of the newbies might confuse unbiased commentary, jinxing (a forum tradition) and trolling as being unaustralian :mrgreen:

So you are dinky die like we three Katto? Those that post only to cricticise another's opinion should be banned from all sports forums. I like a good discussion, banter and even some mildly heated debate..but definitely not trolls.

The BCCI looks to have prepared a grassy green top at Bangalore to negate Starc and Hazlewood from getting any any reverse swing as the surface will be less abrasive on the ball. I was always of the notion that a green top would help a seam bowler as it allows the seam to better grip providing some lateral movement. This will play into the hands of Josh Hazlewood for one. Will CA now choose Jackson Bird..Australia other specialist seamer?


I dont think you know what trolling is.
You've probably been watching too much 60 minutes or some other TV propaganda for mums & dads.

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Re: India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby Going South » Thu Mar 02, 2017 2:32 am

:popcorn:

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Re: India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Mar 02, 2017 3:37 am

Mick CA has created a rod for its own back by their selections. If Bird was not to be played why bring him. If he was to be played and so were two spinners then why not bring a keeper capable of batting #6 like Nevill. On the other hand they could still pick Bird and leave out one of the spinners. No way will the BCCI produce a deck to help our spinners like Pune.

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Re: India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Mar 02, 2017 3:38 am

So what is trolling Katto?

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Re: India vs Australia: 1st Test; February 23-27, 2017 at Pune

Postby Mick180461 » Thu Mar 02, 2017 4:57 am

baggygreenmania wrote:Mick CA has created a rod for its own back by their selections. If Bird was not to be played why bring him. If he was to be played and so were two spinners then why not bring a keeper capable of batting #6 like Nevill. On the other hand they could still pick Bird and leave out one of the spinners. No way will the BCCI produce a deck to help our spinners like Pune.


Injury backup for starters Baggers, you want the choice of a pace backup if something was too happen to Starc or Hazlewood. I think they should send either Agar or Swepson home now, to play some Cricket in the Shield, keep one in India as a injury backup, Lyon & O'Keefe are safe as the top 2 spinners at least till the 4th test. Nevill can't be rated as a test no 6 at present, 18 tests and a average of 22 just doesn't cut it, irrespective of the Shield form he has shown.


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