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New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Misty » Sun Feb 12, 2017 4:53 am

South Africa squad :T20 & ODI

AB de Villiers (capt), Faf du Plessis, Hashim Amla, Farhaan Behardien, Quinton de Kock (wk), JP Duminy, Imran Tahir, David Miller, Chris Morris, Wayne Parnell, Dane Paterson, Andile Phehlukwayo, Dwaine Pretorius, Kagiso Rabada, Tabraiz shamsi


Newzeland squad:
T20I squad: Kane Williamson (capt), Corey Anderson, Trent Boult, Tom Bruce, Lockie Ferguson, Colin de Grandhomme, Martin Guptill, Colin Munro, James Neesham, Luke Ronchi (wk), Mitchell Santner, Ish Sodhi, Tim Southee, Ben Wheeler. In: Tim Southee. Out: Tom Blundell, Matt Henry, George Worker, Neil Broom


Newzeland Squad:
ODI squad: Kane Williamson (capt), Trent Boult, Neil Broom, Lockie Ferguson, Colin de Grandhomme, Martin Guptill, Matt Henry, Tom Latham, James Neesham, Luke Ronchi, Mitchell Santner, Tim Southee, Ish Sodhi, Ross Taylor. In: Luke Ronchi. Out: Tom Blundell, Colin Munro




Feb 17, Fri
New Zealand vs South Africa, Only T20I
Eden Park, Auckland

Feb 19, Sun
New Zealand vs South Africa, 1st ODI
Seddon Park, Hamilton

Feb 22, Wed
New Zealand vs South Africa, 2nd ODI
Hagley Oval, Christchurch

Feb 25, Sat
New Zealand vs South Africa, 3rd ODI
Westpac Stadium, Wellington

Mar 01, Wed
New Zealand vs South Africa, 4th ODI
McLean Park, Napier

Mar 04, Sat
New Zealand vs South Africa, 5th ODI
Eden Park, Auckland

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Sun Feb 12, 2017 12:53 pm

Munro dropped for Ronchi.

Would have preferred a Tom Bruce experiment myself, if only in a few games. NZ odi team is all out of kilter at moment due in no small part to Corey Anderson not bowling and Broom beefing up the batting at 5 in place of Elliott. Ronchi and Broom don't bowl much so KW might have to roll his shoulder over at #6 bowler cos Neesham bowls pies. Matt Henry continues to miss games for Fergusson, Fergusson is getting a free ride at the expense of one the best odi bowlers in the world (2 if McClenahan counted too, 3 if Milne not injured) so he better start comming good.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:00 pm

Can thank Sony for that.

Ashwin was really upset last year when Aus NZ was not on tv
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Misty » Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:40 am

moderator,

Can you change in schedule 4th ODI ,as seddon park, Hamilton from Napier ( changed now) I can not do because something new now.

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Boycs » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:04 am

Misty wrote:moderator,

Can you change in schedule 4th ODI ,as seddon park, Hamilton from Napier ( changed now) I can not do because something new now.

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Where would you like it changed? Do you mean in your post or somewhere else?

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Boycs » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:21 am

The only t20 is up first. That's unusual? Probably the most even playing field what with amla and co ability in ODI matches. New Zealand have boult and southee though..... unless one of them is injured?

New NZ opener seems to have had a fair start to his short form career in domestic cricket with a mid forties t20 average but he's only played ten matches.

New Zealand seem to have the rub of the green at home at the moment though. This game might be competitive

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Verity » Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:56 am

Wow ABs T20I record is dreadful, only averages 24 after 73 games
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:30 am

South Africa look to be humbling NZ again. We may get thrashed in Australia in limited overs cricket - but Safrica turn upto NZ and give us a serve like noone else does.

Bruce's wicket appears to be the key now to NZ hopes unless Ronchi/de Grandhomme and the tail get lucky.

Safrica games test the mettle of die hard nzc fans. They just bamboozle us in a Cullinan facing Warne vein.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:34 am

Tahir bamboozles Bruce exactly like Warne doing Cullinan.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:35 am

Ronchi's intl career is in danger. Completely done by Tahur 1st ball.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:48 am

De Grandhomme gets out looking for a 3rd six in a row. Don't mind that - with tail in - the only chance of victory was him clearing the pickets.

Wake up call for nzc - SA will be tougher competition than Aus.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:01 am

Misty - you're not right. Munro's place in team is in danger. No doubt. He's already dumped from odi team but game was over before de Grandhomme got out.

Munro is not the issue with nz team. Anderson not bowling is a much bigger issue. Ronchi's failures are a big concern too.

NZ is #1 in t20 and Munro is not new to the team. He smashes asian attacks - but Safrican seamers are a much bigger issue for him. De Grandhomme at 6 is fine but Ronchi at 7 is a bigger issue.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:13 am

The issue is NZ suck against Safrica, at home and away. Safrica are the best team used to playing seam conditions that bring the least fan support and media interest to cricket. Aus is huge touring NZ, England brings the barmy army and interest - Safrica just bring whispering death of clinical precision. NZ can deal with Asian teams on nz wickets but not Safrica. If we really wanted to surprise Safrica we'd prepare spunning pitches here and play them on those. But that's being more strategic than NZC thinks to.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Boycs » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:27 am

Noticed boult returned fantastic figures

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:17 am

His figures flattered him to be honest. Leg bye boundaries dont count against the bowler in scoring.

He closed the innings well but ge didn't really seem to be causing Safrican batsmen any real danger.

Personally I'd like to see Sodhi picked and put Safrica on some real big turning pitches rather than have Boult and Southee go head to head with Rabada, Moriss, Steyn and Philander.

Amla, JP, AB, de Kock and Faf will hit medium pace all day.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Sun Feb 19, 2017 4:17 am

Ronch a donk has been dropped. No surpise there. Replaced by de Grandhomme for some late order sligging and offering another seam option, meaning nz has 2 front line spinners with sofhi in, 2 front line seamers in trent and tim as well neesham, de grandhomme and kw to split 10 overs.

SA look strong and nZ still without Guptill. I like the team selections by NZ but Matt Henry ommission as against Southee inclusion is still a point of conjecture.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Sun Feb 19, 2017 4:41 am

Latham's odi torment continues; Glen Phillips could be in this odi team sooner than he would've first thought.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Sun Feb 19, 2017 5:01 am

Simon Doull going full retard suggest Santner has been poor of late and in danger to Sodhi.

Santner's last 2 games - 2/50 and 3/44 in 280+ games vs Aus where he is scored 38(34)

Unless he means the one off t20 game where Santner went at 10 - wich was less than Southee and Wheeler.

This could be a kick up the bum to Santner not to drop more sitters of catches by the commentators tho.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Sun Feb 19, 2017 6:09 pm

Sodhi and Santner bowled very well. Taylor had an all round shocker with both bat and in the field, and this cost Sodhi a boundary.

ABDV admitted the turning pitch caught both him and his team off guard and they were both troubled and not expecting the turn.

I firmly believe turning tracks is NZ's best chance to beat this formidable SA team in NZ. SA got lucky with the bat in chasing down the runs against the spinners. But the game was won in no small part to Chris Morris wrecking havoc tot he NZ top order and de Kock's dominance and comfortable start against the NZ seam attack laying a solid foundation. This will be a tough tour for NZ cricket fans. Hopefully some more turning pitches are produced to keep the matches a contest, cos had this wicket not turned, SA would have won comfortably.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:32 am

Okay - but this has nothing to do with NZ v SA.

De Grandhomme is unproven in Asian conditions, teams have donestic spinners and Munro is short of runs of late and barely given game time last year.

To be honest - all 3 would be better off securing county stints and toiling in the off season to improve their skills. Munro needs to work against seamers, Grandomme needs to further develop his test bowling and batting, and Sodhi needs to learn to bowl better on non spin conducive pitches. Neither non selection is an insult to them or NZ cricket, whereas the snubbing of Martin Guptill last year was raising eyebrows both in NZ and overseas.

If the aforementioned three don't get county deals tho - summing is wrong. KW spent most ipl on bench instead of playing - and McCkenahan was a first choice starter for MI. NZ fans have learned to take ipl selections with a grain of salt.

Interestingly - the NZ IPL players will receive a break from NZ's odi tour of Ireland to complete their IPL commitments, meaning Ross Taylor could well be captain with Guptill, KW, Anderson, Boult, Southee, and co all absent. The bonds between Hesson and Taylor are being interestingly monitored by all as Taylor pushes for his T20 spot back after previously losing the captaincy. Taylor was not bought at the IPL auction.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:30 pm

SA bat really deep today, and NZ off to a slow start. 93/2 after 20.3 - not looking good.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:18 am

Pretty slow scoring but NZ's spinners may snag NZ a win. Ross Taylor celebrated meaningfully after his less than a run a ball ton scored off tgehe final ball, possibly venting some frustration but the total seems a lil under par based on Jimmy Neesham's 71(57). That said, this is as a good a total NZ bowlers may hope to defend against Safrican sides so the bowlers will have to make the most of it. I think Safrica may struggle against Santner and Sodhi again, so pressure on the seamers esp de Grandhommne and Neesham in making up the 50 overs if KW does not bowl much.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:37 am

Southee gets the 1st wicket with some late swing.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:16 am

de Grandhomme getting some nibble. This summer, his bowling gets good results in the conditions offered by this ground in internationals.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Wed Feb 22, 2017 4:02 am

124/4

Game on!

De Villiers still in, Sodhi a touch expensive to start. Anybody's game.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Wed Feb 22, 2017 4:40 am

NZ bowlers need to do what Safrican bowlers didn't do and conjure more wickets cos Safrican batsman having no issues as yet with run rate. Miller and AB are doing this comfortably at present.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Wed Feb 22, 2017 4:47 am

Sodhi finding his groove now. Nearly got a freakish wicket.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:16 am

Pretty harsh on Sodhi being pulled when he found his groove but only 4 runs off his 47th over.

NZ bowlers the heros for me today. Santner has just filled Vettori's odi role with the ball seamlessly. Boult's last over was grand. The bowlers stood up to a deep batting line up. Southee cheap up top. They defended as a unit.

Well done NZC.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:19 am

ABDV blaming SA batting for loss. Thinks should have been an easy chase for SA.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:31 am

Boult Southee and Sodhi went for 60 or more.

Safrica kept NZ to under 300 and only took 4 wickets.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Verity » Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:45 am

Whys AB held the ODI captaincy but Faf has the T20 and Test captaincy? Doesnt make sense to me
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Postby Boycs » Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:26 pm

I think it's the only format he cares about

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Going South » Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:34 pm

I would understand if there is same captain for all 3 formats.
I can understand if it's same captain for T20s and ODIs.
But scratching my balls at test+T20 captaincy but not ODIs.

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Sat Feb 25, 2017 3:59 am

NZ well in this game thanks to a brilliant spell by CDG who found a lot of nibble in this rather benign pitch so far for faster bowlers. Whether it was his lower pace or just his seam presentation we will find out in 2nd innings.

Bar those big scores in Aus - the bowling unit has had a great summer.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Sat Feb 25, 2017 4:17 am

Not sure for how much longer Fergusson free ride of selection ahead of Henry, Milne, McClenahan and Kuggeleijn will continue for.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Misty » Sat Feb 25, 2017 4:57 am

Who is KHUGGILIE? Or sort of

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Sat Feb 25, 2017 5:06 am

Misty - read my long white cloud thread. Kuggeleijn is the subject of my recent posts including a espn url to his profile.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:43 am

Safrican seam bowlers carving through NZ batsmen on this pitch. Unfortunately if CDG gets nibble, so will these Safrican medium pacers has been proven to be true and the NZ batsmen have few answers. Spinning pitches still seem NZ's best chance to beat Safrica.

Commentators realising how big a hole NZ is in now with no in form wicket keeer batsman.

Champions trophy preparation or winning this series are now headaches for NZC and remaining matches.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Misty » Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:48 am

58 for 6

SOA not need Steyn anymore because they found Pretorius,he reminds me of Lance Klusner

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:51 am

Misty wrote:58 for 6

SOA not need Steyn anymore because they found Pretorius,he reminds me of Lance Klusner


In what way does he remind you of Kleusner?
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:59 am

He's nothing like Kleusner with ball in my opinion. He's 20km/h slower at low 120's.

As far as batting - I've seen no Keusner like power hitting as yet.

Plenty of Safrican all - rounders have played cricket to draw a better comparison from.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Wed Mar 01, 2017 4:50 am

NZ has selected a terrible team. The in form Ish Sodhi has been dumped for Jeetan Patel - I will discuss the stupidity of this selection more in the Long White Cloud thread.

Neesham, Ronchi, CDG, Santner gives possibly the WEAKEST 5 to 8 batting combination in the World for top teams currently playing. There is only 1 ODI century there, and it is from the very very out of form Luke Ronchi. Neesham does not even have a List A century. Whoever bats 5 and 6, is weaker than most nations as 7 and 8 are possibly not too bad - include Bangladesh who would have Al Hasan bat around here.

Neesham, CDG and KW combined to bowl 10 overs. Again, I fail to see the advantage of picking Neesham as a 5th batsman who bowls a few overs, when those overs are not essential, and there are much better batsmen in the country, be it Neil Broom who I do not prefer, or the likes of Tom Bruce - which I do prefer.

Commentators are still comparing Neesham to Anderson - but there is no comparison in limited overs cricket. Anderson is a far superior batsman and superior bowler (when fit) than Neesham in pyjama cricket. Its that simple. And even if it were subjectively close for many, Anderson was batting at 6, not at 5.

So - a blinder from Guptill or KW or Taylor with some support from Neesham or CDG may yet steal this game from the jaws of likely defeat, but in a way it would almost be good for NZC if it doesn't so that the real problems post Corey Anderson and Grant Elliot are not continued to be glossed over and a remedy sought in selecting a proper team.

This NZ team is disintegrating to a team of bits and pieces all rounders, without the class of a Shakib Al Hasan at 5. I remain a great fan of Mike Hesson, but I am worried what direction he and Larsen are taking NZC in until they figure out that we're going backwards at a rapid rate.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Boycs » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:05 am

That was plumb, Williamson gone. Brings Taylor to the crease. 77/2 so bit of a clutch moment

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Wed Mar 01, 2017 7:57 am

Taylor 40 off 76. This innings is getting painful to watch now. Guptill must be batting on a different wicket.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:31 am

A Guptil blinder keeps the series alive - but this Ronchi, Neesham, Santner 5,6,7 remains an issue.
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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Going South » Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:34 am

14 needed from 33 balls. #Cakewalk

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Going South » Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:34 am

Do we see a 200?

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Misty » Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:41 am

Paddles

What is the nz test team? Do you think Latham makes it? Or BHARAT POPLI open with GUPTILL

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:59 am

Misty, Latham makes test team. Popli isn't close. Guptil may put pressure on Niccols for the #5 spot before the tests are over.

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Re: New Zealand vs South Africa: 5 ODI & Only T20I Feb-March, 2017 in New Zealand

Postby Boycs » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:45 pm

I like Latham, always had a soft spot for hard working openers.