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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:06 am

MikeR68 wrote:After catching up on the replays and watching the India test, if anyone argues that Behrendorff and Pattinson aren't the best bowlers in Australia at the moment, it's on for young and old. Those two cannot continue to sit on the sidelines, its not right. Choices have to be made.

For mine Cummins and Patto are vying for the one place. Now that Pat has the spot.. he is not about to give it away easily. Hazlewood is a lock in and CA will want Starc to remain as these two work well together. Behrendorff is definitely my next cab off the rank for a lefty spot.
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby Mick180461 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:07 am

MikeR68 wrote:After catching up on the replays and watching the India test, if anyone argues that Behrendorff and Pattinson aren't the best bowlers in Australia at the moment, it's on for young and old. Those two cannot continue to sit on the sidelines, its not right. Choices have to be made.

Different Country, different team, very very different wicket, different stadium, different every thing, no comparison.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby Mick180461 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:10 am

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MikeR68 wrote:After catching up on the replays and watching the India test, if anyone argues that Behrendorff and Pattinson aren't the best bowlers in Australia at the moment, it's on for young and old. Those two cannot continue to sit on the sidelines, its not right. Choices have to be made.

For mine Cummins and Patto are vying for the one place. Now that he has the spot.. he is not about to give it away easily. Hazlewood is a lock in and CA will want Starc to remain as these two work well together. Behrendorff is definitely my next cab off the rank for a lefty spot.

If all 4 are fit come,the 1st Ashes test, the only certainty i can see is Hazlewood, he is the lynchpin you build the attack around.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:13 am

How long is the Blues tail? This is the problem with the keeper batting @6 as it exposes a long tail and there is no one to anchor late runs. They need to find a consistent bowling all rounder badly.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:21 am

A Hazlewood ally. Good to hear Mick. So which 4 are you speaking of mate. Haz, Starc, Cummins and Pattinson?

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby MikeR68 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:21 am

Only 20 more runs for Qld to avoid humiliation if at all possible. Disappointing end for the Bulls, it doesn't reflect an over-achieving performance this year. And who's the one trying to stand up...Chris Hartley, possibly only going to get worse next year with only Burns, what a target he's going to have on him for the other teams. Odds next year for the Bulls to win 150-1.

286 for NSW to avoid the follow on, another 23 required 2 wickets. Hard decision for WA whether to enforce it.

I still reckon 250 lead for SA could win it for them.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby Mick180461 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:25 am

MikeR68 wrote:After catching up on the replays and watching the India test, if anyone argues that Behrendorff and Pattinson aren't the best bowlers in Australia at the moment, it's on for young and old. Those two cannot continue to sit on the sidelines, its not right. Choices have to be made.

They are both nearly 27 and still suffering back injuries, not a good sign. Probably are the best fast bowlers in Australia right now (fit ones anyway) Hazlewood & Cummins are in India at present.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby Mick180461 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:32 am

baggygreenmania wrote:A Hazlewood ally. Good to hear Mick. So which 4 are you speaking of mate. Haz, Starc, Cummins and Pattinson?

Yes mate thats the 4, Behrendorf is the only one i would rate in the same class but he is breaking down to easily at 25-26 for my liking. Bird is a good bowler but he is no Phillander and gives away a yard of pace to Hazlewood let alone the other 3. My attack would be Hazlewood, Cummins & Pattinson with Starc just missing out.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby MikeR68 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:35 am

Taking off my beautiful big Maroon cap, and no longer joking around just baiting Baggers. The 1st 3 ashes test is at the Gabba, Adelaide, Perth I think the best way to go forward in the future would be Pattinson, Behrendorff and Hazelwood. Option do you play a spinner if Maxwell and Smith are playing, I say no and bring in Cummins. Our spinners aren't that good. I think if you seriously look at Starc's performance without the Sri Lanka tests it is a poor 33 tests for 124 wickets at an average of over 30.... Hazelwood has the same number of wickets in 29 tests, that's an additional 8 innings for Starc to achieve the same. Enough is enough when Pattinson and Behrendorff are sitting on the sidelines.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:39 am

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MikeR68 wrote:After catching up on the replays and watching the India test, if anyone argues that Behrendorff and Pattinson aren't the best bowlers in Australia at the moment, it's on for young and old. Those two cannot continue to sit on the sidelines, its not right. Choices have to be made.

They are both nearly 27 and still suffering back injuries, not a good sign. Probably are the best fast bowlers in Australia right now (fit ones anyway) Hazlewood & Cummins are in India at present.

I posted same some time back. Stress fractures are usually a young mans afflication.. So why suddently are older bowlers like those two plus Siddle.. older at 31.. still getting them. Jackson Bird also had them at 27/28. They had it the once whereas Pattinson had it two years running if I recall. So they will be specially weary of picking him.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby raja » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:41 am

Qld 50/9 now.
Pattinson 6-1-7-5.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby MikeR68 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:42 am

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MikeR68 wrote:After catching up on the replays and watching the India test, if anyone argues that Behrendorff and Pattinson aren't the best bowlers in Australia at the moment, it's on for young and old. Those two cannot continue to sit on the sidelines, its not right. Choices have to be made.

They are both nearly 27 and still suffering back injuries, not a good sign. Probably are the best fast bowlers in Australia right now (fit ones anyway) Hazlewood & Cummins are in India at present.


So it's OK to pick Cummins following injury after only playing 1 FC game. How many games has Cummins played in the last 5 years? And his injury worries don't concern you? It's Ok to only expect Starc to bowl 20 over in a FC game then replace him and still select him for the test match. Second time out for Starc with foot problems. But players like Behrendorff and Pattinson have to spend a year at shield level to prove fitness. Really? and you wonder how NSW favouritism rumours start up.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby MikeR68 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:46 am

NSW avoid the follow on, makes the decision making easier for WA. 111 run lead for SA with 6 wickets still. Interesting day ahead tomorrow.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:49 am

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baggygreenmania wrote:A Hazlewood ally. Good to hear Mick. So which 4 are you speaking of mate. Haz, Starc, Cummins and Pattinson?

Yes mate thats the 4, Behrendorf is the only one i would rate in the same class but he is breaking down to easily at 25-26 for my liking. Bird is a good bowler but he is no Phillander and gives away a yard of pace to Hazlewood let alone the other 3. My attack would be Hazlewood, Cummins & Pattinson with Starc just missing out.


Mine are Hazlewood, Cummins, Behrendorff, Pattinson . That is an awesome quartet that should have the Poms shaking in their boots. Chris Tremain comes into the reckoning also.

There is no NSW bias..there are three selectors Mike.. only one is a Blue man. I told you the other day Cummins was picked for Sth Africa as an 18 year old on a "gut feeling". Had he lost any of his pace, energy or passion in the intervening rehab years,CA would not have picked him as Starc's Indian replacement. For mine Cummins provides that so called "X factor". You could say Pattinison also has it .
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby raja » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:53 am

I've said this before - this is a thoroughly enjoyable thread. :-)

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:55 am

Mike that is a sick and sorry performance by your Bulls today. Pattinson a Michelle. He has provided that extra pace the Bushies were lacking. Blues. I have to say. not a whole lot better. Lost last 5 for not many. No idea what the deck is doing as the useless WACA has lost the live stream.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:57 am

raja wrote:I've said this before - this is a thoroughly enjoyable thread. :-)

Glad you enjoy it raja. Why do you not join in. Ask any question?

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:02 am

The Blues 9 & 10 showing the batsmen how it is done.. Dougie with that big heart of his is leading the way.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby Mick180461 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:06 am

MikeR68 wrote:
Mick180461 wrote:They are both nearly 27 and still suffering back injuries, not a good sign. Probably are the best fast bowlers in Australia right now (fit ones anyway) Hazlewood & Cummins are in India at present.


So it's OK to pick Cummins following injury after only playing 1 FC game. How many games has Cummins played in the last 5 years? And his injury worries don't concern you? It's Ok to only expect Starc to bowl 20 over in a FC game then replace him and still select him for the test match. Second time out for Starc with foot problems. But players like Behrendorff and Pattinson have to spend a year at shield level to prove fitness. Really? and you wonder how NSW favouritism rumours start up.

Cummins is only 23 which is about the age that back injuries have traditionally stopped happening to Fast Bowlers, nearly every fast bowler in history has suffered back injuries in there late teens to early 20s, it's got something to do with Vertebrae fusing in the back, happens to everyone after they stop growing, so if you have a bowler still getting these problems in mid to late 20s, Bruce Reid being a great example, then they may never be able to stop breaking down, hopefully Cummins is now at that stage, I've got less hope for Pattinson & Behrendorf both 3 years older. By the way i had Pattinson going to India not Cummins and haven't changed my mind.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby MikeR68 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:10 am

baggygreenmania wrote:
Mick180461 wrote:Yes mate thats the 4, Behrendorf is the only one i would rate in the same class but he is breaking down to easily at 25-26 for my liking. Bird is a good bowler but he is no Phillander and gives away a yard of pace to Hazlewood let alone the other 3. My attack would be Hazlewood, Cummins & Pattinson with Starc just missing out.


Mine are Hazlewood, Cummins, Behrendorff, Pattinson . That is an awesome quartet that should have the Poms shaking in their boots. Chris Tremain comes into the reckoning also.

There is no NSW bias..there are three selectors Mike.. only one is a Blue man. I told you the other day Cummins was picked for Sth Africa as an 18 year old on a "gut feeling". Had he lost any of his pace, energy or passion in the intervening rehab years,CA would not have picked him as Starc's Indian replacement. For mine Cummins provides that so called "X factor". You could say Pattinison also has it .


Baggers I'm not questioning Cummins selection, but questioning the reasoning for the non-selection of others. I've always felt if Pattinson is fit he plays. Behrendorff cannot have his first class record if he's not a capable bowler and is ready to be tried. Forget Bird, Forget Starc, get the best bowlers on the park. Cummins is great no problem for me there either, but 9 FC games for an injury prone bowler in 5 years, do you think it's right he jumps the cue.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/aus ... 4540354211, I'm not alone in my thinking, and they are all NSW point of view.

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Postby Mick180461 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:20 am

The other thing with Cummins is the change to his action, at 18 his bowling arm was going well behind his head causing a rotation of his trunk, now the arm is more to the side of his head and should be cutting down on the rotation, time will tell.
Oh dear what a collapse by Qld :o

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:24 am

I respect what Henry has to say tho I do not always agree with him. I suppose as a former fast bowler he is well placed to judge another. But I think he is being a bit of a worry merchant. Pat only has to manage himself for two tests. With spin dominating he should not to be called on to bowl anymore than 15 overs per innings. Not much more than the ODIs which he has been playing.

Blues precariously placed 127 in arrears. Need s super human bowling effort from here from an attack that has been operating at pop gun power.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby Mick180461 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:24 am

One of these days we will get Hazlewood, Cummins & Pattinson(hopefully 1st Ashes) on the park together, fully fit with some Cricket behind them, then watch out opposition.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby MikeR68 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:25 am

baggygreenmania wrote:Mike that is a sick and sorry performance by your Bulls today. Pattinson a Michelle. He has provided that extra pace the Bushies were lacking. Blues. I have to say. not a whole lot better. Lost last 5 for not many. No idea what the deck is doing as the useless WACA has lost the live stream.


As I said not a great day for the Bulls. But as I said before great performance this year from them, I wasn't expecting it.

157 run lead for SA, I think WA will have an eye on that game in making any decisions for their game. They won't give NSW any opportunity to win outright if it means bumping SA out of the finals because of a lenient declaration, which won't come till tomorrow, because WA can't beat SA into the finals if SA win outright.

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Postby MikeR68 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:27 am

And that's why Bancroft has fallen in the batting rankings. Dear O Dear.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby MikeR68 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:32 am

baggygreenmania wrote:I respect what Henry has to say tho I do not always agree with him. I suppose as a former fast bowler he is well placed to judge another. But I think he is being a bit of a worry merchant. Pat only has to manage himself for two tests. With spin dominating he should not to be called on to bowl anymore than 15 overs per innings. Not much more than the ODIs which he has been playing.

Blues precariously placed 127 in arrears. Need s super human bowling effort from here from an attack that has been operating at pop gun power.


Then why take him. If we lose this test it will be because of the bowlers, and by your own admission we are bowling with 1 bowler short if he only has to bowl 15 overs, and you're obviously not expecting him to do much. Pointless risk to Cummins. Pattinson is fit and bowling well, just ask QLD (you must tell me how to do the smilies, they don't work for me, which post icon do I click on, tried the orange face doesn't come up)

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Postby Bailey_C » Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:34 am

Just took this from a Triple M facebook post

Pattinson took 5/7 from six overs as Victoria steamrolled Queensland for 61 to win by an innings and 11 runs, underlining his Australian credentials


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Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:11 am

Mick180461 wrote:The other thing with Cummins is the change to his action, at 18 his bowling arm was going well behind his head causing a rotation of his trunk, now the arm is more to the side of his head and should be cutting down on the rotation, time will tell.
Oh dear what a collapse by Qld :o

You mean his leading arm Mick which caused the rotation? Amazed the sports scientists did not work this out sooner..otherwise why did it take so long for Pat to be missing in action.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:15 am

Blues need one of Copeland's occasional 6 fors to get back into this. He has one with Bancroft now fallen.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby raja » Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:12 am

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raja wrote:I've said this before - this is a thoroughly enjoyable thread. :-)

Glad you enjoy it raja. Why do you not join in. Ask any question?


Ok, a non-cricket question.

Saw a comment here (not sure whose) talking "north of the border".

Which border would this be? The NSW-Queensland one? Any significance to this term?

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Postby MikeR68 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:20 am

Queensland/NSW border runs east to west. Queensland, as they are in many, many, MANY respects, are above NSW, to the north.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby raja » Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:29 am

MikeR68 wrote:Queensland/NSW border runs east to west. Queensland, as they are in many, many, MANY respects, are above NSW, to the north.

We need a "popcorn" smiley here. :-)

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:05 am

When Hilton Cartwright starts converting these 60s/70s into hefty 100s he will be an awesome player. His last 4 scores read 62*,70,14,101.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:05 am

The Redbacks have presented the Tigers with a competitive chase to win thanks to Zampa's entertaining 63. Intriquing last day awaits in Hobart.

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baggygreenmania wrote:When Hilton Cartwright starts converting these 60s/70s into hefty 100s he will be an awesome player. His last 4 scores read 62*,70,14,101.

We can change that 62* to 103* Carty has converted. Why did he have to do it in this vital game. Blues have been unable to put him away.
Me and my big mouth. Cartwright now 145 and rising. Voges cuts him off at 170 and declares setting the Blues 402 to win. Fat chance.:lmao:

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Postby Mick180461 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:26 am

One thing either way Baggers it's going to be entertaining, Henriques will be the key, he could win it for the Blues if he gets going.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:50 am

Mick180461 wrote:One thing either way Baggers it's going to be entertaining, Henriques will be the key, he could win it for the Blues if he gets going.

Yes Mick but he will need help. I will back Maddinson.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby MikeR68 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:29 pm

Keep picking those winners Baggers. Let me know who you're going to pick to finish dead last in the Melbourne cup, I need some money.

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Postby Verity » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:20 pm

Wow Cartwrights come back bigger and better since his Test exposure. He should just concentrate on his batting though.
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Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:27 pm

'by my own permission we are bowling with one bowler short". Never said that Mike. Saying that as the spinners will do the bulk of the bowling which has been the case whole series, then Cummins should not be needed for much more than 15 overs per innings. This did not pan out that way yesterday as our diamond/rocks spin pair were true to form and the quicks were required to step up their workload. Cummins' express pace is keeping us in the contest.

Yes I sure can pick em. Maddinson is back to his old ways by the look of it. Needs an off season in England to work on batting time and get his head together. Blues will need a 50 over rate to win this. Cartwright has skinned us alive. What a way to send a message to the panel that cruelly axed him after one test.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:22 am

Cartwright's power laden knock has the Warriors well and truly in the battle for a Shield final. Should the boys from the west take the major points they leapfrog the Blues into the final. The Redback are the only other side that can face the Vic Bushrangers should they also take major points from the Tigers. An intriguing last day of this seasons Shield awaits.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:30 am

Tigers 4-18 after just 12 overs. Tigers batsmen clueless.. even George Bailey failed to bother the scorers. :oops:

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Postby Mick180461 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:58 am

baggygreenmania wrote:Tigers 4-18 after just 12 overs. Tigers batsmen clueless.. even George Bailey failed to bother the scorers. :oops:

Could have been nightmare scenario for Qld, needing 1wkt or 5 runs to win on day 4 of the Vic match, why you ask?
The chances of any play happening today if it had been needed, is 0, zilch, none, it is absolutely bucketing down in Brisbane today. We have had a very dry Summer but the Rain has returned with a vengeance. The Banana-Benders would have been sitting in the Grandstand at AB Field watching their chances of being in the final going down the drain.
Tassie now 6/55
Starting to look like a repeat of last years Final Vic v SA, unless the Blues can pull off a miracle in Perth.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:05 am

Dryest summer on record. Could well be the wettest March on record at least down here. Great for my lawn and the ducks.. not much else. Luckily not a lot of cricket has been played in Sydney this month. Yes Mick looking like a Bushies v Redbacks final. Great comeback by Joe Mennie. Another kicked in the guts by our selectors.
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Postby MikeR68 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:05 am

6/55 now Baggers. What chance do you think NSW have of scoring 400 in a day? Looks like Victoria V SA final, probably deserving they have been the most consistent this year. Victoria to win, but Sayers and Mennie V Pattinson will be worth watching. Batting paradise for Vics?

I missed the second half of Cartwright's innings, he must have put on a display. Do you think he has sent noticed not just for just the No 6 but pressuring Handscomb and Khawaja for a top order spot? Or was it just poor bowling?

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Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:11 am

Was almost a run a ball.. so no stonewalling. Cartwright had some luck but mostly sweet as timing and power Mike. He is not just a flat track pony either. Some of his drives were played late from the moving ball. He also took a good offie in Will Somerville, to the cleaners. He could be a real class act for us somewhere in the top six.

Buckleys unless Henriques turns on the after burners and he has some support.

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Postby MikeR68 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:23 am

I'm starting to think I'm a jinx for Australia. I had to go out last night and missed Cummins bowling, by the time I got home, I saw 1 over from Cummins, then back to O'Keefe and Hazelwood and nothing happens. It must be me! From the replays Cummins bowled with pace and accuracy, making a mockery of these tough batting friendly conditions, which if you bowl well on they can make breakthroughs. 4/59 that's impressive from a pace bowler in India, just had no-one else going with him. Considering first test there, obviously proving he doesn't need time to learn how to bowl in certain conditions. He joins my list now with Pattinson, if fit he plays. Though I am surprised Maxwell only bowled 2 overs, O'keefe 43 overs for 1 wicket and Lyon 29 overs for 0 wickets, we have to give away the idea of the need for a spinner all the time, along with the need for an all-rounder. 4 prong pace attack will get Eng shaking.

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Postby Mick180461 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:28 am

Enjoying the rain Mike?
Henriques and to a degree Cowan are the keys to a blues victory i think.

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Postby Mick180461 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:30 am

Tassie now 8/80 against the best Medium Pace Attack in Australia. Kane Richardson must be injured?

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby MikeR68 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:31 am

Loving the rain Mick, believe it or not this is the first bit I've received in the last 2 weeks, I'm on the Northside and everything that has come has by-passed us. Went out past Ipswich last night, it's green..... my lawn brown/black.