India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby Going South » Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:09 pm

Virat Kohli and Wriddhiman Saha are India’s DRS experts

Hyderabad: Indian teams over the years have had fantastic opening pair like Virender Sehwag-Gautam Gambhir, spin twins like Anil Kumble-Harbhajan Singh or Ravichandran Ashwin-Ravindra Jadeja.

But having warmed up lately to the Decision Review System (DRS), India now have a DRS pair of skipper Virat Kohli and wicketkeeper Wriddhiman Saha, who are brilliantly complementing each other while going for referrals.

Video: Mushfiqur Rahim messes up a stumping chance to remove Wriddhiman Saha

In fact, Kohli could give some credit to Wriddhiman for convincing him to go for a review on personal score of 180, when off-spinner Mehedi Hasan Miraz got a leg before decision from on-field umpire.

"Virat thought that he was out but I told him that you have probably stretched your front-foot more. I told him that hopefully, the impact may be outside (the off-stump) and the ball had spun sharply enough to miss the leg stump. So he (Virat) took a call and was saved," Wriddhiman spoke about his role in that favourable review.

Read: Virat Kohli surpasses Don Bradman's record with double ton against B'desh

The glovesman said that Kohli saved a review for the team when he decided against going upstairs after a Taijul Islam armer trapped him leg before.

"During the second time, I was about to ask Virat to check but he was hundred percent convinced that it was out.

Also it was umpire’s call and even if there was a chance of the delivery barely touching the stumps, it would have been out. Virat didn’t take a chance and saved a DRS for the team," he said.

Again when Bangladesh were batting, India got the wicket of opener Soumya Sarkar through a successful DRS after the on-field umpire had ruled not out.

This time Wriddhiman was unsure as to whether there was an inside edge but the skipper was fully convinced that the opener had inside edged it. Virat was vindicated when Sarkar trudged back to pavilion.

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby Misty » Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:14 am

I wonder why newspaper not mention Mohd Yousuf's world record of 1788 test runs in calendar year.

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby raja » Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:25 am

Misty wrote:I wonder why newspaper not mention Mohd Yousuf's world record of 1788 test runs in calendar year.

Er...because it's not relevant, maybe?

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby squarecut » Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:07 am

Raja, he does not know the difference between Indian Season and a calender year.

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby squarecut » Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:11 am

I was looking at first class batting averages and I was amazed to realise that BCCI's number 8, viz Ravindra Jadeja has a higher first class batting average than all Bangladeshi batsmen. Jadeja plays as a lower order batsman for BCCI and BCCI is not dependent on him for run scoring, whereas Bangladesh team rely upon top order batsmen who have lower (in some cases way lower) FC batting averages than BCCI's number 8 batsman.

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby bolero » Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:21 am

I would like Bangla team to have some fire in the belly and be aggressive like their fans.

As per Bangla fans, they are the best cricket team in the world. The cricket team should therefore play to their potential.

When aggressive, they are at their most dangerous and cause upsets.

Therefore cricketers like Tamim, Mashrafe etc do well against India.

The timid cannot survive.

That doesnt mean getting over excited like Mushfiqur did and which cost them the match against india.

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby squarecut » Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:23 am

In fact, the FC batting average of Soumya Sarkar, BD opener (average 28) is comparable to the batting average of BCCI"s number 9, viz Bhuvneshwar Kumar (average of 27).

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby Paddles » Sat Feb 11, 2017 7:35 am

Shakib putting on a cover though to off drive clinic now. One of my favourite batsmen to watch when he's in form.
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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby Paddles » Sat Feb 11, 2017 8:01 am

Shakib show over. Collapse typically imminent now
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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby louie_db9 » Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:33 am

These two looking extremely comfortable against Ashwin and Jadeja.

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby squarecut » Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:32 pm

I was not posting in a live match thread involving BCCI for last one decade. Today I broke that vow and posted in this thread. And Bangladesh's batting resistance began from then onwards. So the credit for Bangladesh fightback goes to my posting in this live match thread (something that I had stopped doing since 2007).

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby Going South » Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:59 pm

As the self imposed rule is broken please do continue posting henceforth. We miss your banter during the games.

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby squarecut » Sat Feb 11, 2017 1:21 pm

Three wickets fell on day 1.
Four wickets fell on day 2
Five wickets fell on day 3.

If this pattern goes on for the remaining two days then this match will end in a draw.

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby Boycs » Sat Feb 11, 2017 1:29 pm

Which would be some achievement for BD. 322/6 batting second is not to be smirked at either.
Though the fact that sharma is bowling does help Bangladesh

Shakib is a class act. 32 with the ball, 40 with the bat. Better figures that Freddie, up there with tony greig

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby raja » Sat Feb 11, 2017 1:38 pm

Am very happy with the performance of our boys.
After the unnecessary run-out early in the morning, that too of Tamim, I was fearing the worst.

Wickets kept falling, with no batsman really digging in.

But first Shakib-Mushfiqur, then Mushfiqur-Mehedi showed that this team can fight.

Yes, the wicket is very easy to bat on - and Ashwin seems to not have fully recovered from his injury - but credit to the boys.

Umesh Yadav bowled well, Ishant was his usual self - blow hot, blow cold.

I thought Kohli's field placing was questionable.

He's got 687 on the board - and his placing was SO defensive?

Is this the limited-overs effect?

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby Boycs » Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:10 pm

Yes but he's taken 213 wickets at 36+ and a SR of 66. If you give a crap bowler 74 tests he's probably going to get to 200 wickets but that doesn't mean he's particularly good.

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby Mick180461 » Sat Feb 11, 2017 9:13 pm

BoyCaught30 wrote:Shakib is a class act. 32 with the ball, 40 with the bat. Better figures that Freddie, up there with tony greig


Playing for any other country he would be approaching 100 tests, 6000 runs and 300 wkts and none of the great allrounders have passed those 2 figures together, Kallis the closest with 13000 runs & 291 wkts.

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby squarecut » Sun Feb 12, 2017 2:31 am

True that. But then it occurs to my mind that if he played for any other country (say India), he would bat at number 8 (Jadeja's position) and his batting would rarely be required. So, he may score less than what he scores for Bangladesh.

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby Mick180461 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 4:13 am

squarecut wrote:True that. But then it occurs to my mind that if he played for any other country (say India), he would bat at number 8 (Jadeja's position) and his batting would rarely be required. So, he may score less than what he scores for Bangladesh.


Don't think he would bat in front of Saha & Ashwin? Love to have him batting 6 and be the no 1 Spinner for OZ.

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby raja » Sun Feb 12, 2017 4:35 am

Bad start to the day but I'm hopeful we will save this Test.
I don't think TrCCI will impose the follow-on even if they could.
This is still an excellent batting wicket.

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby raja » Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:23 am

Very happy for Mushfiqur.
But the job isn't done yet.
Need to hang in there, frustrate - and importantly, tire - these Indians.

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby raja » Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:36 am

TrBCCI getting frustrated here.
They have no reviews left - that looked out but not given.

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby raja » Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:39 am

Ok, Taskin gone now.
One more wicket to get.

But this has been a fine Bangladesh fightback after losing their top-order without too many on the board.

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby raja » Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:46 am

Ashwin struggling to take wickets has got to be great news for the Aussies.
He's a confidence bowler - Bangladesh are doing Australia a big favour here by denting his confidence.

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby raja » Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:51 am

TrCCI will not be enforcing the follow-on.

250 wickets to Ashwin. Fastest to the landmark. Congratulations!
Now to pick wickets outside Asia. :-)

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby raja » Sun Feb 12, 2017 6:00 am

Attacking field set by Mushfiqur, though he's 299 behind.

Contrast this with Kohli's field yesterday. Had ONE slip for a big part of the innings.

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby raja » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:06 am

23/2.

Yaaaay!!!!

Can Bangladesh win this?

Dare I dream?

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby raja » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:08 am

I think we can chase 400.
So we need to get them all out for under 100.
Tough, but not impossible.

They have jokers like Rahane in their side.

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby Raj92 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:09 am

Live score at 12:37
IND 687/6 decl, 23/2 (6.0 Ovs)

India 2nd Innings 23-2 (6)
Pujara 5
Virat 0

Day 4: 2nd Session - India lead by 322 runs

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby Paddles » Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:47 am

Don't declare, I want more Jadeja batting :cry:
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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby raja » Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:51 am

Jadeja is a fun watch anytime he's batting.
And situations like this are just made for him.

Kohli will probably declare at the tea-score though.
Unless he feels Bangladesh can get the 459 required. They have about 125 overs, I reckon.

Would be brilliant if they make it!

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby Paddles » Sun Feb 12, 2017 9:24 am

Simon Doull made a claim unsupported by any stats, that the great players of great teams will have a worse 2nd innings batting average than a first due to the need for quick runs. The problems with this are:

1 pitch deterioration - 2nd innings batting is typically more tricky with spin, variable bounce, cracking, regardless of the surface type - spin, seam, swing. A 1st day greenie may brown out, and be irksome for a first innings top order, but the second innings is typically trickier for both. this is the biggest factor. This was as true in timeless tests as it is today.

2 match pressure - 2nd innings is a last chance to score runs, teams are sometimes batting to save a test, or batting to chase a winning score.

3 odi cricket averages - batsmen have learned to score faster and not lose their wicket; this includes subsidary arguments of range hitting (I believe in this) and big bats (not a fan of this argument - but many people are). Test cricket averages are also increasing over time from previous eras at a higher sr as well.

4 4th innings scoring influence a 2nd innings batsman's average as well where the dash for quick runs is less common.

5 not outs - top order batsman are far more likely to be not out in a declared 3rd innings - Pujara today for example and score more runs than they typically woukd have - Pujara's high sr today.

I will look for a cricinfo statistcal breakdown soon - and if I find I'll post it - but this is the second time recently I've heard a commentator make this claim. The first time was in reference to Steve Smith. Did Kohli take a hit today? Yes. But he still scored over 35 runs. Pujara got a benefit today. If the not outs do not average it out immediately, the above factors start making it look as an explanation for an inferior 2nd innings average as unlikely. The likely sample size is just too small to have such a significant effect, not incl the fact the dash for quick runs doesnt effect all in each inings and a first innings may be declared as well with quick runs sought. There are batsmen like Laxman, Khan and Williamson who average more in the 2nd innings - but they're the famous rocks who turn a disaster into a draw and into wins with crucial 100s - and that is why they are rightly regarded as special batsmen for that particular skil that most do not repeat if they even achieve it.
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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby Raj92 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 9:26 am

Ashwin to Tamim, out Caught by Kohli
Tamim c Kohli b Ashwin 3(11)

Bangladesh need 448 runs and India need 9 wicket to win the match

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby Misty » Sun Feb 12, 2017 10:33 am

Outstanding catch by Rajas Joker, 2 down

Sarkar Raj gone , 8 shorts of 50

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby raja » Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:00 am

Misty wrote:3 wickets today excluding night-watch man = Indian victory after tea tomorrow

You've got your wish for today, Misty.
Let's see what happens tomorrow. :-)

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby raja » Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:04 am

Misty wrote:Outstanding catch by Rajas Joker, 2 down

Sarkar Raj gone , 8 shorts of 50


:grin:

To me Rahane will always be an overrated cricketer.

Even his catch, which the commentators went ON and ON about, wasn't THAT great, in my opinion.

It was a good catch - but you'd expect that from a slip fielder.

This is the type of catch that you lunge out for - and you're lucky if it sticks.

But then, Indian commentators, so what else can you expect?

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby raja » Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:13 am

This is what I love about Test cricket.
This 4th innings tension.
Lovely bowling here from both Jadeja and Ashwin.
And Bangladesh batsmen fighting it out.
You get a feeling that the bowlers will eventually break through - but these two guys have hung in there for now.

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby Raj92 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:39 am

Ashwin: It's been showcased so many times on TV so it put a bit of pressure on me (talking about his record 250th Test wicket). I think I was a bit rusty in the first innings, had a two-week break before that; got into a better rhythm bowling with the new ball in the second innings - something that I enjoy doing a lot. It has been happening in the last 3-4 months that I have been getting first wicket after 14 overs and then it has been coming very fast. But it does not play on my mind. Today I started enjoying from the start. I don't know if you are forced to ask about rank turners. We have played on some very good wickets, especially against England and New Zealand. Hopefully the team has done really well and we have got confidence going abroad now. There has been a lot of work that has gone behind my bowling, change in grip, change in my run-up and change of pace. Change of pace is one of the key elements when the wicket is not giving much. Not very often you get this kind of a purple patch, it is very important I enjoy it. I think it is going to be an interesting game tomorrow because the wicket is not giving much and we will have to be patient. More than the wicket, the pressure will be giving us wickets tomorrow. The morning session will be very important.
The day started off with Rahim gutsing it out with the tail in getting to his ton and more importantly eating up some vital time remaining. India then brisked their way to a session long stint before Kohli brought in a sporting declaration. So, an interesting day tomorrow beckons. The wicket is still pretty decent once you get your eye in. But make no mistake, with two spinners, the top two in the world at you all along, India remain firm favourites. But if the first innings fightback from Bangladesh is anything to go by, we could be in for a ripper of a contest. As we leave you for the day, here's Ashwin in a chatty mood about his 250-peak scaled and India's change in approach. Enjoy the read. From all of us here, ta ta!!

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby raja » Sun Feb 12, 2017 1:54 pm

Raj92, one request.

Your above comment is a copy-paste job from cricbuzz.

It is our practice here to always give credit to the source.

So the next time you post anything that appeared elsewhere first, please do provide the link too.

Thanks.

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby raja » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:28 am

Ishant unlucky there.

Clear lbw, not given.

All 3 show red, but TrCCI have no reviews left!

Erasmus.

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby bolero » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:15 am

Congrats Bangladesh for a well earned draw.

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby Raj92 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:22 am

Bangladesh need 217 runs and india need 2 wickets

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby bolero » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:37 am

Awesome effort from Rabbi who converted to Islam. Dour batting, will put Jimmy Adams to shame.

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby Raj92 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:48 am

India won by 208 runs

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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby Leo » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:20 am

Congratulations India.
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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby Verity » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:51 am

India create good roads, quite often end in a result. If any other country produces a road it ends in a boring draw.
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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby Paddles » Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:12 am

Until India wins in the seamers of SA and NZ and the bouncy pitches of Aus, India's success at home will always be asterisked by many Australian fans due to spin conducive flat pitches. No ammount of arguing or bickering will stop this. Nor will winning in English swing and spin conditions.

I'm astounded to read Ind has never won test series in NZ - can anyone confirm this?

And its not true - India won a test series in NZ in 1968.
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Re: India vs Bangladesh: Only Test; Feb 9-13, 2017 at Hyderabad

Postby squarecut » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:19 pm

Verity wrote:India create good roads, quite often end in a result. If any other country produces a road it ends in a boring draw.


People who say that Indian pitches are roads have not seen Indian roads. :)