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Re: New Zealand vs Australia: ODI Series; Jan-Feb, 2017 at New Zealand

Postby Katto » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:36 am

partnership is 34* and Hazlewood hasnt faced a ball yet :lol:

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Re: New Zealand vs Australia: ODI Series; Jan-Feb, 2017 at New Zealand

Postby Katto » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:38 am

oh my :lmao:

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Re: New Zealand vs Australia: ODI Series; Jan-Feb, 2017 at New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:38 am

Wow.
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Re: New Zealand vs Australia: ODI Series; Jan-Feb, 2017 at New Zealand

Postby Verity » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:39 am

Stoinis has taken his opportunity that's for sure.
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Re: New Zealand vs Australia: ODI Series; Jan-Feb, 2017 at New Zealand

Postby Katto » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:40 am

he's got zero confidence in Hazlewood's batting

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Re: New Zealand vs Australia: ODI Series; Jan-Feb, 2017 at New Zealand

Postby Verity » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:44 am

Hazelwood is actually a OK batsmen.
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Re: New Zealand vs Australia: ODI Series; Jan-Feb, 2017 at New Zealand

Postby Katto » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:47 am

that took far too long

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Re: New Zealand vs Australia: ODI Series; Jan-Feb, 2017 at New Zealand

Postby Katto » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:47 am

Verity wrote:Hazelwood is actually a OK batsmen.


I know

Stoinis doesnt seem to

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Re: New Zealand vs Australia: ODI Series; Jan-Feb, 2017 at New Zealand

Postby Katto » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:49 am

I wonder what the record partnership for one partner not facing a ball is

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Re: New Zealand vs Australia: ODI Series; Jan-Feb, 2017 at New Zealand

Postby Katto » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:52 am

Hazlewood you had ONE JOB :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

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Re: New Zealand vs Australia: ODI Series; Jan-Feb, 2017 at New Zealand

Postby Katto » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:53 am

cool heads were in short supply in that game

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Re: New Zealand vs Australia: ODI Series; Jan-Feb, 2017 at New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:53 am

Lance Kleusner and Allan Donald 99 wc

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Re: New Zealand vs Australia: ODI Series; Jan-Feb, 2017 at New Zealand

Postby Boycs » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:55 am

This is some recovery from 67/6 or whatever it was

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Re: New Zealand vs Australia: ODI Series; Jan-Feb, 2017 at New Zealand

Postby Boycs » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:55 am

Oh

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Re: New Zealand vs Australia: ODI Series; Jan-Feb, 2017 at New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:11 am

Hi Raja,

No my opinion on Ben stokes has not changed.

He's still a slugger with the bat who sprays it with the ball. He will have his good days due to the aggressive way he plays, but he's nothing special, and overall - his numbers will reflect this and a lack of being consistently good.
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Re: New Zealand vs Australia: ODI Series; Jan-Feb, 2017 at New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:12 am

Paddles wrote:Hi Raja,

No my opinion on Ben stokes has not changed.

He's still a slugger with the bat who sprays it with the ball. He will have his good days due to the aggressive way he plays, but he's nothing special, and overall - his numbers will reflect this and a lack of being consistently good. I'm far more interested in the promise that Stoinis could develop from based on today's game.
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Re: New Zealand vs Australia: ODI Series; Jan-Feb, 2017 at New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:19 am

raja wrote:I'm terrible at picking players for IIHAG.

For this series I was just about to pick Neesham. At the last moment, I switched to de Grandhomme.

Who's the better allrounder you think? For each format?

Of course, de Grandhomme has just started his career but he's made quite an impression already.


This question is very difficult to answer. To be honest - if Corey Anderson bowls - he makes the ODI team as a first choice selection. That means Munro, de Grandhomme and Neesham are competing for a spot IF Latham keeps or if Broom does not bat at 5. Well, the media like Broom at 5 and Latham keeping - and Neesham has had some good runs lately in odi cricket. de Grandhomme had a great debut test and slugged some quick runs in his last test innings - but I think none of these roles are cemented yet. Munro needs more consistency, Neesham needs to work on his bowling for odi, de Grandhomme needs more consistency as well.

Personally I am not averse to Latham keeping - I don't mind the Broom at 5 experiment for now. Because we don;t have any more allrounders with Grant Elliot's batting craft - its best not to try and manufacture one. Neesham, Munro and de Grandhomme are not batsman like Grant Elliot, but Broom certainly looks like he could be his equal albeit without Grant's bowling. Anderson is a #6 batsman leaving, Munro, Ronchi (with Latham keeping), Neesham and de Grandhomme fighting for #7 as well as newcomer Tom Bruce.
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Re: New Zealand vs Australia: ODI Series; Jan-Feb, 2017 at New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:24 am

raja wrote:I'm terrible at picking players for IIHAG.

For this series I was just about to pick Neesham. At the last moment, I switched to de Grandhomme.

Who's the better allrounder you think? For each format?

Of course, de Grandhomme has just started his career but he's made quite an impression already.


This question is very difficult to answer. To be honest - if Corey Anderson bowls - he makes the ODI team as a first choice selection. That means Munro, de Grandhomme and Neesham are competing for a spot IF Latham keeps or if Broom does not bat at 5. Well, the media like Broom at 5 and Latham keeping - and Neesham has had some good runs lately in odi cricket. de Grandhomme had a great debut test and slugged some quick runs in his last test innings - but I think none of these roles are cemented yet. Munro needs more consistency, Neesham needs to work on his bowling for odi, de Grandhomme needs more consistency as well.

Personally I am not averse to Latham keeping - I don't mind the Broom at 5 experiment for now. Because we don;t have any more allrounders with Grant Elliot's batting craft - its best not to try and manufacture one. Neesham, Munro and de Grandhomme are not batsman like Grant Elliot, but Broom certainly looks like he could be his equal albeit without Grant's bowling. Anderson is a #6 batsman leaving, Munro, Ronchi (with Latham keeping), Neesham and de Grandhomme fighting for #7 as well as newcomer Tom Bruce.

I don't think de Grandhomme is really in the first choice odi team running - its really between Corey Anderson, Colin Munro and Jimmy Neesham fighting for 2 spots IF Latham keeps wicket keeping - or possibly only one spot (in which case a bowling Corey beats Jimmy and Munro has little chance at selection.
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Re: New Zealand vs Australia: ODI Series; Jan-Feb, 2017 at New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:25 am

Paddles wrote:
raja wrote:I'm terrible at picking players for IIHAG.

For this series I was just about to pick Neesham. At the last moment, I switched to de Grandhomme.

Who's the better allrounder you think? For each format?

Of course, de Grandhomme has just started his career but he's made quite an impression already.


This question is very difficult to answer. To be honest - if Corey Anderson bowls - he makes the ODI team as a first choice selection. That means Munro, de Grandhomme and Neesham are competing for a spot IF Latham keeps or if Broom does not bat at 5. Well, the media like Broom at 5 and Latham keeping - and Neesham has had some good runs lately in odi cricket. de Grandhomme had a great debut test and slugged some quick runs in his last test innings - but I think none of these roles are cemented yet. Munro needs more consistency, Neesham needs to work on his bowling for odi, de Grandhomme needs more consistency as well.

Personally I am not averse to Latham keeping - I don't mind the Broom at 5 experiment for now. Because we don;t have any more allrounders with Grant Elliot's batting craft - its best not to try and manufacture one. Neesham, Munro and de Grandhomme are not batsman like Grant Elliot, but Broom certainly looks like he could be his equal albeit without Grant's bowling. Anderson is a #6 batsman leaving, Munro, Ronchi (with Latham keeping), Neesham and de Grandhomme fighting for #7 as well as newcomer Tom Bruce.

I don't think de Grandhomme is really in the first choice odi team running - its really between Corey Anderson, Colin Munro and Jimmy Neesham fighting for 2 spots IF Latham keeps wicket keeping - or possibly only one spot if a specialist wicket keeper (in which case a bowling Corey beats Jimmy and Munro has little chance at selection. Broom looks to be cementing his position the best as a specialist batsman.

For a NZ odi team ihag - go with Guptill.
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Re: New Zealand vs Australia: ODI Series; Jan-Feb, 2017 at New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:55 am

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This question is very difficult to answer. To be honest - if Corey Anderson bowls - he makes the ODI team as a first choice selection. That means Munro, de Grandhomme and Neesham are competing for a spot IF Latham keeps or if Broom does not bat at 5. Well, the media like Broom at 5 and Latham keeping - and Neesham has had some good runs lately in odi cricket. de Grandhomme had a great debut test and slugged some quick runs in his last test innings - but I think none of these roles are cemented yet. Munro needs more consistency, Neesham needs to work on his bowling for odi, de Grandhomme needs more consistency as well.

Personally I am not averse to Latham keeping - I don't mind the Broom at 5 experiment for now. Because we don;t have any more allrounders with Grant Elliot's batting craft - its best not to try and manufacture one. Neesham, Munro and de Grandhomme are not batsman like Grant Elliot, but Broom certainly looks like he could be his equal albeit without Grant's bowling. Anderson is a #6 batsman leaving, Munro, Ronchi (with Latham keeping), Neesham and de Grandhomme fighting for #7 as well as newcomer Tom Bruce.

I don't think de Grandhomme is really in the first choice odi team running - its really between Corey Anderson, Colin Munro and Jimmy Neesham fighting for 2 spots IF Latham keeps wicket keeping - or possibly only one spot if a specialist wicket keeper (in which case a bowling Corey beats Jimmy and Munro has little chance at selection. Broom looks to be cementing his position the best as a specialist batsman.

For a NZ odi team ihag - go with Guptill. It would be nice for Munro to further develop his game and develop more batting craft to go with his boundary hitting.
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Re: New Zealand vs Australia: ODI Series; Jan-Feb, 2017 at New Zealand

Postby Verity » Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:03 am

Misty wrote:
raja wrote:I'm terrible at picking players for IIHAG.

For this series I was just about to pick Neesham. At the last moment, I switched to de Grandhomme.

Who's the better allrounder you think? For each format?

Of course, de Grandhomme has just started his career but he's made quite an impression already.


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Re: New Zealand vs Australia: ODI Series; Jan-Feb, 2017 at New Zealand

Postby Katto » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:37 am

Paddles is so excited he's been smashing the submit button madly

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Re: New Zealand vs Australia: ODI Series; Jan-Feb, 2017 at New Zealand

Postby raja » Mon Jan 30, 2017 1:58 pm

Thanks, Paddles.

Good to see NZ has a bunch of options. Anderson, Neesham, de Grandhomme, Munro.

If a player gets injured, or is badly out of form, another is ready to take his place. So, lots of competition. :-)

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Re: New Zealand vs Australia: ODI Series; Jan-Feb, 2017 at New Zealand

Postby Paddles » Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:50 pm

raja wrote:Thanks, Paddles.

Good to see NZ has a bunch of options. Anderson, Neesham, de Grandhomme, Munro.

If a player gets injured, or is badly out of form, another is ready to take his place. So, lots of competition. :-)


Unfortunately Corey is the preferred but I think is likely to continue to be plagued with bowling injuries. This keeps opportunities arising for the aforementioned and even Tom Bruce. Munro wants a batting spot and in an ideal world would've stepped up by now. He is brutal on asian attacks in NZ - but needs to replicate this success against Aus, Eng and S.A and then score runs in Asia as well.
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Re: New Zealand vs Australia: ODI Series; Jan-Feb, 2017 at New Zealand

Postby Katto » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:38 pm

White criticises Australian 'development team' selections
Michael Ramsey - AAP on January 31, 2017, 1:04 pm

Australian cricket is set for a troubled future if selectors continue to ignore the domestic competitions, veteran Cameron White says.

The Sheffield Shield season will resume on Wednesday after a two-month break which allowed players to compete in the Big Bash League.

Top-of-the-ladder Victoria will host NSW, Queensland will take on Tasmania at the Gabba and South Australia will host Western Australia.

But Australia's best players will be tied up either on one-day international duties in New Zealand or in Dubai preparing for the Test side's tour of India.

White, who will stand in as Victorian captain in Matthew Wade's absence, believes national selectors are increasingly picking players based on a "hunch" rather than on past form.

The 33-year-old has played 88 ODIs but was overlooked for the tour of New Zealand despite being the best batsman in October's Matador Cup 50-over competition, scoring 457 runs at an average of 76.16.


Cameron White will captain Victoria in the Sheffield Shield this week. Pic: Getty
Selectors instead went for 21-year-old Sam Heazlett, who is yet to play a one-day game for his state of Queensland.

"Right now, it seems that the Australian team at some stages is a development team," White said on Tuesday.

"For me, playing for Australia isn't about getting a chance to develop. Domestic cricket is where that happens.


"I'm a little worried, to be honest, about the importance the selectors are putting on domestic cricket. It worries me for the future of Australian cricket."

White, who was crowned Australia's best domestic player at last week's Allan Border Medal awards, said young players would increasingly focus their attention on the BBL as a means of getting selected for the national side.

"You can get picked to play for Australia in any format out of Big Bash, really," he told RSN927 radio.

"It doesn't make a lot of sense."


White said Victorian teenage prodigy Will Pucovski was likely to debut for the Bushrangers against NSW.

The highly-rated 18-year-old scored 650 runs at an average of 162.50 in December's national under-19 championships.

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Postby Verity » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:58 pm

I do agree with White but surprised his the one saying it, he was picked in the exact same manner when he was a youngster, picked on potential rather then domestic results.
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Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:52 pm

Katto wrote:what's this Sam Heazlett done to deserve selection???


Hi Katto. Heazlett has done plenty. Couple of years back he was plundering runs for the Aussie U19 side. Only this past Aussie Winter he was back to plundering runs... one century couple of 50s against the Indian and Saffer A sides. He also had a profitable debut red ball domestic season.649 runs @41 with 1 century.
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Re: New Zealand vs Australia: ODI Series; Jan-Feb, 2017 at New Zealand

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:57 pm

Verity wrote:I do agree with White but surprised his the one saying it, he was picked in the exact same manner when he was a youngster, picked on potential rather then domestic results.


I agree totally with Bear. He has it spot on. Perhaps a touch sour grapes in his comments.. but they are justified in my view. He has been the top Australian domestic white ball player for the past two years and still was overlooked for ODI sides. Suppose they used his age as the reason. Could also be that the Bear can be a little outspoken.

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Re: New Zealand vs Australia: ODI Series; Jan-Feb, 2017 at New Zealand

Postby Verity » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:31 am

baggygreenmania wrote:
Verity wrote:I do agree with White but surprised his the one saying it, he was picked in the exact same manner when he was a youngster, picked on potential rather then domestic results.


I agree totally with Bear. He has it spot on. Perhaps a touch sour grapes in his comments.. but they are justified in my view. He has been the top Australian domestic white ball player for the past two years and still was overlooked for ODI sides. Suppose they used his age as the reason. Could also be that the Bear can be a little outspoken.


Yep I agree with it but doesn't hide the fact he benefited from it when he was young.
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